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Marvel: Civil War or Not?

Updated on October 15, 2014

It is an exciting time for Marvel fans having heard the news that Robert Downey Jr will be returning as Tony Stark for more then just The Avengers 2 and 3 as we originally thought, but now he will be a part of an ensemble cast for Captain America 3. The shocker in this was that it seemed very likely Downey would have been walking away from the studio after Avengers 3 due to his age but more than that, with his extended stay within the Marvel Cinematic Universe the long rumored Civil War storyline seems much more likely. After all, the MCU has done a good job up to this point of putting in small scenes that have great meaning to their singular movies but create ripples throughout the universe. The biggest example of this would be that of Tony and Steve Rogers first meeting in The Avengers. The video below this bit of text but it goes and shows the difference in morals in the two that lead them to be on opposing sides from each other. However, in the comics, despite the differences the two were incredible friends. Their friendship wasn't solid by the end of Avengers, as it seemed Tony was much more friendly with Bruce Banner. All of this could simply be Marvel drawing the battle lines slowly between the super friends. Captain America: The Winter Soldier had another similar scene where Natasha Romanoff appeared before Congress explaining that heroes are part of the problem in the world, but they are the only ones equipped to fix it. That ideal fits into large idea of Civil War as the government after so many horrible events wants every hero to register themselves and essentially give away their identity. Tony takes the pro-registration side of this act as he sees a need for it, which from the sounds of Age of Ultron he seems to want to put an end to the need for the Avengers. Steve takes the opposing side of the act feeling that it goes against the Declaration of Independence. In the films, this would be easy to convey seeing how his view on his government has soured and likely will continue to get worse following the events of Age of Ultron.

The story of Civil War is a big one, but in the comics, not only was Captain America and Iron Man an integral part but so was Spiderman. Marvel Studios does not have the rights to the character as they still belong to Sony. However, Marvel and Sony have had a good working relationship since the beginning, unlike Fox, and seeing how The Amazing Spider-Man movies have not lived up to Sony's lofty expectations it is making them second guess themselves. Ultimately, the writing is on the wall. Sony has continued to make efforts to have more Spider-Man on the big screens but the viewers have run a bit sour with the wall crawler. He is an incredibly popular character, even one of the most popular within Marvel's gallery of characters, but his solo adventures on the big screen have not garnered the attention of movie go-ers. How could you change this? Well it is seeming that Marvel and Sony are working on a deal where the wall crawler can appear in both studios films. This would help Marvel get the lovable character in their universe while also allowing them to place him inside this wonderful story while also increasing the buzz for the character and the desire for people to want to see more of him on the big screen. Frankly, it is just good business and seeing how well the Marvel movies have been doing in the box office, well it is about time to get on that bandwagon.

The pieces have always been in place right under our nose, behind the scenes at Marvel Studios they had signed Sebastian Stan on for 9 movies where Chris Evans is only signed on for Age of Ultron, Captain America 3 and a third film. In the comics, Captain America dies in a very emotional fashion which leads the newly reformed Bucky Barnes to take up the mantle (Cap?) as Captain America which starts a redemption arc for him. Cinematically that would play out beautifully and you can already see just with those two characters how it could play out. However, on the character of Winter Soldier, it'll be interesting to see how much he is in Captain America 3 if it does indeed kick start the Civil War. Civil War is such a massive event in the comics that I would hope Marvel does not try to do all in one movie. Captain America 3 should still deal with the fallout of The Winter Soldier and Steve and Sam Wilson taking to the road to recover Bucky and bring him back to their side of things. There is also a rumor that by the end of Age of Ultron, Steve will start his own group of Avengers alongside Sam, Natasha, possibly the Black Panther and Captain Marvel. You could easily add Bucky to that group in Cap's third adventure.

Also, The Winter Soldier served as a origin story of sorts for Brock Rumlow, who in the comics plays a villain known as Crossbones. Crossbones, in the comics, killed Steve Rogers, which we could just so happen see in the film as Rumlow will certainly not be buddies with Steve the next time they see each other. It'll be interesting to see how everything pans out but it is for sure that the heads behind the scenes at Marvel Studios has a wide arching plan for their Cinematic Universe.


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    • Nickalooch profile image

      Nickalooch 3 years ago from Columbia, MD

      Overall you are right and I agree that Marvel isn't too overly concerned about having Spidey in fold, especially just yet. I think inevitably in a few years when the Spiderman fatigue has worn off and major characters like Iron Man and Cap are gone from the Avenger movies then maybe then they would bring him along. Same token, I do think they want him to be a part of the Civil War storyline but they aren't too overly attached to the idea

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      Steven Escareno 3 years ago

      Well if they do pull off a deal with Marvel in general, then I will agree with you that it does spell desperation on their part. Although I'm not sure how it makes sense for marvel though. Because wouldn't they want Sony's spider-man films to fail? I mean correct me if I'm wrong here, but if the Sinister Six bombs, then chances are spidey's rights will most likely revert back to marvel because I can't see sony wanting to reboot him again.

      And if that happens, then marvel would get a 100 percent of the profits from the character in both movies and etc. Therefore, why would they want to help sony if all that's in it for them is maybe like 10 percent of the profits for each solo spider-man flick?

      Plus, the mcu movies are already successful without spidey, so it really doesn't make sense on marvel's end, as they're the ones holding all the cards. I think if Sony were smart, then they should just sell the rights to the character back to marvel, or disney should just buy out sony. I think either solution would be far easier than two different film studios collaborating like this.

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      Nickalooch 3 years ago from Columbia, MD

      What i have heard is that Sinister Six would essentially be a reboot to their spiderman franchise if they broker a deal with Marvel. which still screams desperation too me.

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      Steven Escareno 3 years ago

      I think it's definitely a possibility Spider-Man could be in the third avengers movie if rumors are true, BUT the only reason why that's really a possibility really has more to do with how Sony's company is doing overall. Not their movie division. As far as I can tell, their entire movie division still continues to enjoy moderate success. The new spider-man series may not have made the money they hoped for, but it still made a hefty profit for the company though.

      Now, Sony's electronic division is struggling financially, which is why you can tell in a lot of their more recent films they've been pimping out their products in them. In "Sex Tape", one of the problems that many people had with that film was that it felt like an over glorified product placement commercial for Sony. Equalizer had kind of a similar problem because throughout that film, you could tell sony wasn't too shy to have a lot of their electronics featured in that film.

      I think it's definitely a possibility, but the only problem that I have with it is this...who gets creative control?

      Take in mind, Edgar Wright walked out on ant man because he allegedly didn't like the changes they made to his script. Therefore, if Sony does broker a deal with Marvel like you say, then does that mean sony will have to alter their plans for spider-man? Does that mean if Kevin Fiege says "No" to the possibility of a sinister six film (even though Sony might already be in pre production of it), then does that mean Sony has to comply with whatever he says?

      What if Sony wants to take Spidey in a direction that doesn't fit in with MCU's plan for him? Would Sony really be comfortable allowing another movie studio tell them what to do?

      Plus, if you introduce to mainstream audiences that Spidey exists in the same world as the avengers, then you raise a lot of plot holes. One, where was spidey when the aliens invaded New York in Avengers?

      Sure, you can say he probably wasn't even spider-man yet, but wouldn't there have been SOME mention of it in the amazing spider-man though if that's the case? Plus, where the hell was shield when the Lizard tried to turn everyone in new york into lizards? The reality is it would just raise too many questions and variables to work.

      Is it possible? Sure. Anything is possible. Do I think it's going to happen? More than likely not. If it does happen, then it's only going to be because sony's electronic division profits continue to dwindle. If that happens, then that might be a possibility.

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      Nickalooch 3 years ago from Columbia, MD

      Hmm. still should be interesting to see. I'm skeptical of Civil War, i'd hope it would branch over 2-3 movies maybe.

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      Geekdom 3 years ago

      I would love a civil war, but Sony just said any rumors of them letting Spider-Man go are just rumors. Although not as successful as the original series, he is still proving very profitable in the over seas market.

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