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The Adjustment Bureau Movie (Explained)

Updated on October 14, 2015
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The Basic Plot- The Adjustment Bureau

In this movie, aspiring politician David Norris meets a beautiful woman. The woman’s down-to-earth attitude inspires him and revives his just-lost campaign to make him the favorite for the next election year.

However, the agent from the Adjustment Bureau who is supposed to delay him on a critical morning falls asleep sitting on a park bench. His job, had he been awake, was to cause coffee to spill on Norris’ shirt. When Mitchell fails, a double-whammy results. First, because he was not delayed, Mitchell arrives on time to his office. There, he interrupts the Bureau’s agents altering the decision mechanism in a leading partner’s mind. This will influence the partner to change his negative position and recommend investing in new solar technology. This technology is important to the world development plans of the Adjustment Bureau. Second, Norris “by chance” meets Elise on the bus.

Norris was never supposed to see Elise again. The agents do not want David and Elise to be together. They cannot explain why. However, it is important to them to block this relationship.

One of these men, the only black-skinned member of their lot, decides to help Norris. A meeting is arranged aboard a ferry boat. Here, Mitchell (note the last four letters of his name) explains who they are. Norris asks, “Are you angels?” Mitchell responds cryptically, “Some call us that.” Further, Mitchell says all members of the Bureau are exceedingly long lived. He also says that water blocks the powers of the Bureau members to know what is happening. Both these data points are teachings that sorcerers and New Age witches use to define demons. Carlos Castaneda was an anthropologist who studied with a Mexican Nagual, a “man of knowledge”, also called a sorcerer. In Spanish, these men were called brujos. They referred to demons as being very long lived. They did not use the word “immortal”, as a Christian would use in reference to angels and to fallen angels as well.

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Mitchell tells David, "Some call us that" when asked if Bureau agents are "angels".
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Who are the Bureau Agents, Really?

On the ferry, Mitchell also tells Norris that the Bureau is run by “the Chairman.” Norris asks who the chairman is. To this, Mitchell says, “You have many names for him.” Evading the mention of his name is a trait attributed to the devil in European folklore. The God of Abraham, contrarily, has many titles, but just one name: Jehovah. A popular New Age teaching, which says there is one god, with many names, actually refers to Satan, not to Jehovah. The Chairman, in this movie, is a name for Satan. Mitchell and the others are demons, not angels.

The second major conversation between Norris and one of the agents supports this point. Thompson, a higher level demon, talks to Norris tempting him with power, success, fame and authority. At the same time, Thompson leads him away from Elise, away from love. This is a tool of devils. They offer riches, but do not want any person, anywhere, to have love, peace, freedom, hope, or faith. In this conversation, as we later learn in the second major conversation with Mitchell, Thompson lies to Norris. Angels do not lie.

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In a second meeting, Mitchell tells Norris “that was us” in reference to the deaths of his father and brother when he was young. Mitchell says the Bureau wants Norris to be “empty inside” and that this will drive him to succeed. Of course, devils want the space in the heart of men reserved for the Holy Spirit to remain empty. Additionally, assassination is not a tool of the Kingdom of God.

To enter the realm of the Bureau, one must “turn to the left.” The left hand path is the term New Agers and Buddhists use to refer to the path of evil and darkness. A person must wear one of the special hats Bureau men wear (Cuban style fedoras), and turn the knob to the left in order to enter the realm of administration offices of the Adjustment Bureau. Those seeking God are told to walk the straight path, turning neither to the left or to the right. Men are told to keep their heads uncovered to meet with God (1 Cor 11:7).

At the end of the movie, David and Elise are trapped by Bureau agents on a rooftop. All the exits are blocked. Further, they previously ran out one of the doors, down the stairs, and back onto the same roof top in a kind of Escher reality. There is no escape for them. With no escape, each professes love for the other and they kiss passionately. Elise opens her eyes and sees the Bureau men are gone. This is further evidence that the Bureau are agents of darkness. They have been defeated by love.

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Scripture says it is an affront to God for a man to cover his head while praying. Agents always wear their hats, even when they speak to the Chairman. Would angels do that?
Scripture says it is an affront to God for a man to cover his head while praying. Agents always wear their hats, even when they speak to the Chairman. Would angels do that?

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Bureau Agents Share Traits with Demons

Another, more subtle, message comes to you in this movie: These largely unseen men serve to help you. Thompson, who we already know lied, told Norris that the Dark Ages happened because the Bureau adopted a “hands off” approach. Is that another prevarication? Likewise, World War I and World War II resulted from the free will and self-governance of men, Thompson declares. Is that true, or is it the Father of Lies at work?

Another popular cover story of devils is to say they are “aliens” from another planet. A few decades ago, they hailed from Mars and Venus. Today, we can see Mars and Venus. Instead, they now come from distant galaxies like Orion and the Pleiades. A shifting story like this betrays a lie. One of the burdens of liars is maintenance of a story. The Bureau agents share a trait with demons: a shifting story belies a con.

The story Thompson tells of the demons helping mankind is one many New Agers fully believe today. They believe that a war with a group of “bad aliens”, like Thompson, is coming. They also believe that a group of “good aliens” like Mitchell, will aid earthlings to victory. Another movie playing at the theater concurrent with this flick is I am Number Four. The movie I am Number Four also depicts the notion of “bad aliens” being overcome by “good aliens.” This story of bad aliens and good aliens is incorporated into many children’s cartoons and children’s movies. Likewise, you will see the notion of time-space doorways in these movies. The other idea prevalent in these bad alien-good alien movies is that the good aliens remain and set up a New World Order. In other words, movies are being used to format your thought so that you will be much more likely, almost guaranteed, to interpret planned events the way darkness wants you to- believing demons are angels!

At one point, the Bureau agents discuss the real reason David and Elise continually run into each other by "chance." This is because, in the original story, and in many versions thereafter, they say, David and Elise were supposed to be together. However, in the version written by the Chairman (Satan), these two were not supposed to be together. Who wrote the original plan? God did. God has a plan for my life, your life, and the life of everyone else, too. The devil has a different plan. God gave us free will. If we choose wisely, we choose God's plan- and find love as David and Elise did. Devils (Bureau agents) will attempt to ruin that plan. They will offer you a trade: success in exchange for love. The devils killed David Norris' father and brother before the movie begins. In the movie, they crash a car to block David from pursuing Elise. That is really how it happens. If you don't know how to pray, how to bind and break the works of the enemy, you need to learn. Look in the last section of this article for resources.

This movie is more than entertainment designed to detain you while corrupt thoughts enter in. It is a tool used to format your thinking.

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Learn how to pray with William Lau as he goes through scripture comparing how Jesus and the disciples prayed. Lau compares this with how prayer happens in the church. They are not the same! www.theelijahchallenge.org

Find a large list of resources at: www.massdeliverance.net. This site has a free "mass deliverance manual" which lists names and functions of demons, some of their tactical maneuvers and common lies. Also discussed is how to identify demonic presence.


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      Man from Modesto 3 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Thank you, Sean. It is a common tactic of Satan to fool people into thinking he is God.

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      Sean 3 years ago

      Everything from the movie fits in perfectly with what has been written here. There are many comments that claim The Chairman is God. Even the poll here suggests God is the higher being. But none of those results surprise me. All they do is confirm Satan's role, and show how easily we can be fooled into thinking this higher being must have been doing good. It's clear as day The Chairman was ruining David and Elisa's lives. It's so obvious that the only part God played in this movie was when he stopped The Chairman/Satan from breaking one of his fundamental rules. Love conquered The Chairman, love conquered Satan.

      Well done, Man from Modesto.

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      Man from Modesto 3 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Thanks for the input, Bob. Points to ponder.

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      Bob 3 years ago

      I believe The Chairman is God. I also believe Thompson is Satan and Mitchell is Jesus/Arch Angel Gabriel. It makes sense. Everyone thought badly of Thompson, who is Satan as you can see by the way he acts, through deceptive words and actions. Mitchell then tells the truth and he also hasn't lied to David at any point in the movie, a trait Angels have.

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      Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      A.theist: You exactly portray the kind of victim films like The Adjustment Bureau and other forms of socialization create. People believe lies. Fables are actually the spiritual teachings of Europe hidden so that the Catholics could not burn them during the 30 years' war and the rest of the Dark Ages, when the RC Empire ruled.

      What you believe is disinformation. School and college text books are printed almost exclusively by Satanists. The "aliens" are actually demons. How many movies can you name in which earth is attacked by aliens, and can only be saved with the help of "good" aliens? And then those good aliens stay on earth to live with humans?

      They will come preaching another gospel- that God is not God, just some alien who is misunderstood. That idea was planted in culture via Star Trek and many other media methods. This is called "socialization". It is thought control.

      YOU ARE INSIDE THE MATRIX, BELIEVING A FABRICATED REALITY.

      The truth is: God is real, demons are real, eternal life is real, salvation is only through Jesus Christ. That is the truth.

      Atheists love to say Christians believe a pack of lies fabricated in order that religious personalities might control them.

      They need to look first at themselves: they believe disinformation prevaricated to control them.

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      A.thiest 4 years ago

      The agency are the Tall Whites, an alien race which tampered with primate humans enabling us to grow large brains and evolve (some more than others ^ ;-). God, Satan, Angels and Demons are all fables attributed to these intervening ET's over the centuries by there superstitious monkey subjects (us).

      Thanks.

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      Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      kjv: Your use of vulgar epithets in a recent post makes it unpostable. And, it is an extreme segue from the topic of this article. Take your un-Jesus-like speech elsewhere.

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      Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:8) God loves sinners, kjv. Even bruised reeds, God loves. Homosexuals, too. It is actions God hates. And, there seems to be an elect group that God/ Jesus hate: hypocrites, the arrogant, and those who trade their inheritance (the Kingdom of God) for some material item (like a bowl of soup, e.g. Esau). There are many, many people whose self-judgment is far more harsh than the Father's. They fear they are lost and unredeemable. This is not true. God loves them still.

      One of the most amazing things about the love of the Father is that GOD LOVES THOSE WHO DON'T DESERVE IT. If we had to deserve it, would be based on works, and not a free gift of Love (grace).

      Peace, MfM

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      kjv 1611 4 years ago

      Mfm,

      A wise man winneth souls and I'm glad your trying your hardest to do so on here.

      I agree with your theory about the movie as well.

      I noticed in one of your comments you said that God loves us. That is a common misconception and you have said many wonderfull things on here but the Bible only says God loved. God is a loving God, but he is also a just God. And our sinning fleshy selves dont deserve his love anyway.

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      Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Dean, The Chairman is made out to seem like God. This is exactly the misdirection they intend. However, as I point out in the article and in the comments, there are also many characteristics which are NOT in the nature of God: temptation, manipulation, murder, preferring David to be "empty" inside to make him driven, etc.

      Those are natural characteristics of Satan and his demon followers.

      Satanists, in the last 100+ years have been buying up Bible version rights and even producing new versions. These versions, especially the ASV heavily promoted in the Methodist church, also confuse Satan and Jesus. I have counseled youth who, through reading those versions, came to believe Jesus and Satan were one and the same. (For example, the ASV uses "morning star" and "lion" as titles- not just analogous descriptions- in many places for both, even though the Greek terms are different).

      They want to confuse the nature of God, to make God seem to have characteristics of Satan because:

      When the AntiChrist comes, in the spirit of Satan, he will be like Satan, but claim to be God. The devils are setting you up to be fooled. As all the comments here show, they are better than 80% effective.

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      Dean 4 years ago

      Wouldn't the Chairman have to be God? All throughout the movie, the bureau keeps referring to his plan and is saying that things should be going in accordance with his wishes. Only God has a divine plan, and although people have free will and the ability to stray from his plan and the path he laid out, it is God and his angels that would strive to bring people back to his plan, whereas demons would be pushing them even further from the original trajectory of their lives.

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      Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Broman: Your answer can be found reading the story of Cain and Abel.

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      Broman 4 years ago

      MFM I appreciate your comments to me. I am glad you are encouraged, I am still not. The good is not outweighing the evil. I look at people in my daily travels that are in need that dont get it from prominent christian figures. There are people right outside your door that need help that dont get it, becuase it seems that christians prefer to do works in other countries because it suits their image better. I havent met a christian yet that would put their God above money.

      I see Christians posting in blogs like this preaching and teaching Jesus is the way. I have never seen anyone brought back from the dead by prayer, or cured of terminal diseases, all I see are stories told by people who claim to see them. You ask Tony above to sit down and think about why he hates Jesus or What is his problem with God? I think his issues are a lot of peoples issues. People are being killed, starved and raped and all christians keep saying is trust in God and Jesus and things will be ok. All the while Christians bleed the system like everyone else for the real resource, which is money. God doesnt need money but somehow every faith in the world including Christians have made that a part of their belief system.

      People usually react to what they see not the hidden message. You tell people to read a book called the bible and understand it to be closer to God, a book written by God but through men that were subject to their own personal views. This book didn't drop from the sky it was written by Men having dreams. This is the hard part for people to accept I believe.

      When someone is on the streets or being evicted or cant feed their children they need help. When I am out in the streets I observe people and I see lots of people daily that are in need and I help as best I can, sometimes even when it inconveniences me. The other days I purchased food and hotel for a week for a homeless family, even though it meant that I would have to make arrangements on my electric, water and gas bill. I didn't give it to some person to send to the other side of the world on some missions trip.

      MFM the message is heard, the world just doesnt seem to have any powerful examples that Christianity is the right way and that Jesus or God even care. Because to be honest, if God already knew everything that would happen, then he created Man for his own selfish reasons.

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      Tony 4 years ago

      Mfm

      I don't hate Jesus. I couldn't say whether he even existed. It's like saying that I hate robin hood.

      I'm not sure what you mean by living the right way. If you mean living a good life where you contribute in a good way to society without hiring others then I could contribute that to myself. I could say the same for all Buddhists as well. Even islander and African tribes who follow nothing like an abrahamic god live the right way.

      And whatever those evil dictators were, they believed in god and worshipped Jesus. According to law you'll be seeing a lot of them when your up in the clouds.

      So now all doctors are involved in this underground organization as well as the scientists. Are you the only one we can trust?

      If your prayers were actually curing people then you would be the greatest person that has ever lived in history. You would be the new Jesus!

      When people come out of the hospital better (My life was saved by doctors and surgeons) anybody can say they cured them or their god did. Again I can say that my dog saved me but you can't disprove that ridiculous statement like I can't disprove yours

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      Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      I think, Tony, that you need to sit down and ask yourself, "Why do I hate Jesus? What problem do I have with God?"

      A few points:

      1. People who lived right lives, before Jesus, were "set aside" to be redeemed by Jesus. Resurrection and Judgment have not yet happened. That happens in the future sometime. Everyone you say is dead, Jesus says are "sleeping".

      2. Hitler and Moussolini were catholic. That is a pagan hybrid, not Christianity. Name means NOTHING. It is how a person lives which shows if they love God or not. You can learn something if you read Matthew 24 (and so could most Christians).

      3. Hospitals only promote what makes them money. The medical system is part of the means the NWO uses to reduce the world population. Good eating and healthy sleeping habits many, many times cure what doctors said was terminal.

      4. There have been hospital wings cleared out by prayer.

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      Tony 4 years ago

      mfm

      I have no idea who Richard Dawkins is nor do I care for such things as pseudo science. I only value the findings of physicists. Cetainly an engineer like yourself would know the likes of Einstein, Kaku, hawking, Galileo, newton, brian cox, Brian Greene, Hubble, and other great minds who have contributed to our understanding of the universe. 

      I can't speak of the minds that have contributed to evolution but from what I understand it's not something to be believed. When you have an abundance of evidence such as fossils and DNA, it should be something that one accepts. But evolution is not something I care to argue with someone that dismisses it as a tool of the devil. 

      And I'm happy that your friend got over her cancer. Perhaps you should go to the hospital and heal all of the terminally I'll children? The 'real' doctors can take the weekend off. If people could be healed by supernatural means then it would be practiced by every hospital world wide. It would turn medicine on it's head! But then I guess a common response would be that it's gods plan for some to die and some live. Sounds fair to me. 

      And with all that bible bashing you threw out, I could replace Jesus name with superman and it wouldn't add or subtract anything from those statements. There have been thousands of predictions of end days but we're all still her. Either all the people of faith got the message wrong or god/s sent a wrong message. 

      And yes I guess I'm going to he'll because I don't believe. But it wouldn't be too bad because it will be filled with buddhists, children that died too young to grasp belief, most Jews and every single person that was born and died before Jesus. 

      Heaven will have hitler, Mussolini, Charles Manson and every other deranged murder, rapist and pedophile who was Christian. 

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      Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Tony,

      You wrote, "You seem to claim that all of science is lies and is dominated but some sort of underground evil organization." This is an intentional deception propagated by devils against Christians, and repeated by those who learn from television and from people who are just quoting television or pop culture pseudo-scientists like Richard Dawkins. For example, many times, anti-Christian writers and tv/movie characters will say something like, "Christians don't believe in evolution or science."

      This is a lie. I am an engineer. Most of the things called "science" in the world are performed by engineers. Because of the scientific and logical processes, I do NOT believe in evolution. However, I greatly enjoy science.

      I did not choose the one that "best suits" me. In fact, I actually chose Judaism after all my research. I decided to go in for the one which had the best community. In Philadelphia, I saw that the Jews were the people that really had a community. The Christians and Muslims did not have that. I studied with a rabbi until he told me I had to make a verbal statement that Jesus is not the Messiah. Since I had believed a Jew could choose personally to believe in Jesus or not (He is actually the JEWISH Messiah, after all), that surprised me.

      I prayed 7 days for an answer from God. On the 7th night, I saw and learned that the name of Jesus has power over even the strongest of the enemy.

      And that is how I am Christian. I KNOW and have experienced that Jesus is the real deal. Since that time, I have shed away the other teachings. Living them always caused me loss- that is how the devil works. However, I have found personal healing in Jesus- and the Peace he promises to those who seek him.

      I have seen many miracles while praying to God and to Jesus, in the name of Jesus.

      Once, a woman who always supported the church had been diagnosed with breast cancer. She was scheduled for breast cancer the following day. A group of about 12 of us assembled in a pastor's home and prayed. After about 20 minutes, we felt something break. And, led by the Holy Spirit, I prayed "Father, let it be a miracle. Let her walk in, receive a small outpatient surgery in which only a small lump is removed, and let her walk out the same day." In the short vision I saw before I prayed, I believe God was concentrating all the cancer into one small lump about half the size of a marble.

      The next day, that is exactly what happened.

      I have even seen a dead woman return to life when I prayed as the Holy Spirit led me to pray.

      Everything written in the Bible is true. God's promises to back us up are true.

      Do you know, we Christians even know what is coming in the future. Our Father in Heaven shows us and prepares us.

      Most important is this: as every culture throughout time has proclaimed: there is a Judgment Day. Each person is judged and then has just one of two destinies: eternity in Heaven with a loving God who treats us as his children, or eternity in a lake of fire where people burn forever and ever.

      The thing is, people are weak and crooked-hearted. That is where Jesus comes in. Jesus is God's plan for forgiveness. It is simple: whoever accepts Jesus and obeys his commands is a child of God. Whoever rejects Jesus isn't.

      On Judgment Day, Jesus is the "advocate", the defense attorney. Whoever claimed Jesus in life (in word and deed) is claimed by Jesus on that day, and found innocent. Whoever rejected Jesus is not forgiven.

      That is how God is exactly fair. There is just one exoneration: Jesus. And, there is just one condemnation: rejection of Jesus (which is the same as rejecting God.)

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      Tonly 4 years ago

      Mfm

      Not once have I claimed to be superior to you or anybody who follows a religion. Nor do I believe myself to be special. I believe myself to be quite ordinary in fact. Just another human being that wishes to find out what is real and what is make believe. 

      You seem to claim that all of science is lies and is dominated but some sort of underground evil organization. The evidence of this so called illuminati is so thin that it's barely a conspiracy theory. And of course I get my information from what I read. Anything else would be just made up. I put my trust in the most educated minds on the planet. The people who have studied their area of expertise, have done experiments and make correct predictions about the universe around us and who are also under constant scrutiny themselves by others in their field. My life (short life thus far) experiences would teach me little about the world around me. Even if I did have a dream or vision of Christ or Zeus, that wouldn't change my thoughts on the supernatural. Luckily we live in an age where we know the brain does strange things and can create even the most strangest of experience that a gullible person would interpret as supernatural. Just go to any mental hospital and ask the patients what their thoughts are. 

      I appreciate that you've indulged in all the mainstream religions. You've clearly chosen the one that best suits you and for good reason. But as I said before, it's impossible to debate you when you've decided that every other scientific piece of information that is considered factual by the majority of the world, is a misdirection from the devil. 

      And btw I wouldn't dare tell you to discard your faith just as I assume you wouldn't tell me to stop reading non fiction.    

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      Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Tony,

      I studied all the main stream religions as well. I read the Quran in Arabic. I spent a year in the middle east. I have met some of the highest ranking Buddhists, while I lived in Philly. I studied meditation. I learned yoga from an Indian master. I learned jiu jitsu, karate, copeira, and even dabbled in some of the chi arts. I did remote viewing, lucid dreaming... I even studied many things that are correctly called sorcery, but which have been main streamed as "the way of the warrior", or simply "the way".

      I know very well what I am talking about. It is you who have not understood me. You think you are offering something fresh and new. No, it is old and rotten. I walked in it for many years. What you think is "discovery" is actually a road of lies carefully laid out to play to arrogance.

      Once you really sit down and make a commitment TO YOURSELF to find truth, and then start digging, you will find it.

      You are the same cookie-cutter mind-trapped, self-proclaimed intellectual I meet over and over again. Your "debate" consists of you repeating what you have heard - and never experienced - and expecting me to bow to you out of deference to your assumed superiority.

      Part of discussion is knowing your audience. I know you: nothing special; just another self-proclaimed wise man without any knowledge. Conceit does not substitute for wisdom.

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      Tony 4 years ago

      Mfm

      I wasn't hinting that you don't understand me. I know you don't understand anything about the reality that we live in. Iv attempted to have an intelligent debate but as I can see from our posts as well as other before me that it's impossible as you simply dismiss anybodys valid points and respond with irrelevant scripture.

      I'm an atheist but atleast iv studied all the mainstream religions and have proper grounds to not believe any of them. I wish you would broaden your horizon and catch up with the last 5 thousand years of human discovery.

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      Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Tony,

      Your request was acknowledged and denied. The most important thing is Jesus. Because I know that, I want you to know that, too. And, I did not say you believe the Dec. 25th deception. Curious, you are hinting that I do not understand you. It seems you don't understand me. Don't be so defensive. It's a conversation.

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      Tony 4 years ago

      i asked you not to preach and you gave me 2 paragraphs on it. Also I'm not sure what zeitgeist is? Havnt seen that movie or documentary or whatever.

      I wasn't stating that I believe Christ was born on December 25th. I couldn't say whether such a man was even real. I know that emperor Constantine added in many pagan dates to better integrate Christianity. I was merely stating the similarities between religions through the course of history

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      Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Tony,

      Zeigeist the movie, is itself a zeitgeist- a false work. It seems people are not able to look at 9 truths, and then a 10th false statement and process that the 10th is untrue. Personally, I wish logic were taught 2 or 3 times in U.S. schools.

      There are 2 lives each of us has: this physical one, and also our spiritual life. The spirit lives completely independent of the physical body. Even after the body dies, the spirit lives- forever.

      The body can be killed by God, other people, and even demons, disease, and the self. But, only God Almighty can throw the spirit into Hell, and into the Lake of Fire.

      PS- Jesus was NOT born on Dec. 25th. That, too, is a lie. He was born sometime around the end of harvest. This would have been late September or early October. By December, the sheep would have been out of the field and into barns.

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      Tony 4 years ago

      Mfm

      I am well aware of all the good moral teachings of the king James bible. There's good stuff in there. But so many bad things to go along with it. I attended a catholic primary and high school and it was amusing that they only teach kids the good passages while leaving out the bad ones that call for death to witches and gays and even promoting slavery. If i was a true child of god then i should follow EVERY command in the bible. Right?

      And it's such a huge cop out to tell somebody to save themselves. A person can't believe in the supernatural when they havnt found a valid reason. It's not a light switch you can just turn on. Your statement saying that "god is fare" could be compared to me holding a gun to your head asking for your love and if your love isn't genuine then I'd just shoot you, because you didn't save yourself. 

      I don't suppose you would believe in an ancient roman god that was born on the 25th of december from a virgin or an Egyptian god born on the 25th of a virgin who also died and resurrected on the 3rd day? How could anybody believe any of these religions that have clearly borrowed from each other over the thousands of years.  Belief is not a simple choice. It's something that has to be accepted through reason.

      And please leave the preaching out of your next response.

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      Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Broman,

      There are Christians putting themselves out there. American culture does not celebrate it, that is all. Do you recall the young girl at Columbine who refused to denounce Jesus? They already killed her friends. She knew she would die. She refused and they killed her.

      In India, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Darfur, China, Iran, North Korea, and all over the world, pastors are beaten and murdered. They lose limbs and are disfigured. They are beheaded and burned alive. They all refuse to denounce Jesus.

      Even your own words, stating that we should put ourselves on the line... those words encourage me. You may not think so, but your own example is worth something to me. It will also be valuable to others who read it. There is someone out there seeking God. Even though we all may not meet, we know there is another, out there, running the race. Peace.

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      Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      I am... not

      I still believe the enemy has got his finger into your mind and emotions. You have some negativity. This is not from our Father. I highly recommend to you the teachings of Win Worley, William Lau, and Derek Prince. They teach "deliverance" according to the way Jesus taught the Kingdom of God and the authority of believers.

      But, for a start, please use the following prayer. My wife and I learned it a few years ago and it has blessed us greatly:

      "Dear Father in Heaven. Please bless us with more joy, love, laughter and happiness in our marriage."

      With overflowing joy, there is little time for unhappiness!

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      Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      I am: The coincidence should not be overlooked. For Christians, nothing is random. Please consider what I wrote before.

      I perceive you have been wounded by the church. Like you, I read the Bible and found discrepancies between the churches' teachings and what Jesus said.

      As far as bashing "Bible readers", I want to make a differentiation. There are at least 2 kinds of Bible readers. First, there are the kind you learned to not like: they read the Bible's words, but believe each passage to mean what a pastor somewhere told them. They are followers of men, not followers of God.

      The second kind of Bible reader reads scripture and asks the Holy Spirit to reveal the meaning. They learn as Jesus said we ought to learn: "But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things..."

      So, I hope you will acknowledge that there are some right Christians walking around... or at least right some of the time!

      As for your child: Praise God!

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      Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Tony, Rather than listen to what everyone is saying, go and read about Jesus yourself. Read the book of John, Read the book of James, 1 Peter and 2 Peter.

      For example it is not "Christianity" that condemns a person to Hell. It is the person himself/herself. God is exactly fair. Whoever accepts Jesus and obeys God, belongs to God as a son/daughter. Whoever rejects Jesus and rebels against God belongs to the devil. God lives in beautiful Heaven where there are no tears and no death. The devil lives in Hell (& later the Lake of Fire), where there is only terrible suffering.

      YOU decide your own fate. What do you choose?

      Yes, the rapist can be forgiven. God is fair. Everyone, no matter how great or how minor their flaws, can receive forgiveness from Jesus.

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      Broman 4 years ago

      I dont see fellowship like that anywhere MFM. I just keep seeing the same old sayings from christians. No one is putting themselves on the line including christians.

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      I am....not 4 years ago

      Just to add ... I have never even seen this movie... I just wanted to know what it was about to determine whether or not I wanted to waste my time because back when I saw the previews I thought it looked stupid... From what I have read here and in numerous other places I would have to agree with those who think the movie is about the devil trying to get in the way of what God wants to happen and then the two mains overcoming temptation and choosing love.... I tried to read summaries assuming the chairman is God and it just does not fit....

      I just still cant believe that you think I pray to the devil because of one post on a random webpage I made about not believing in worshiping man made books or churches but in seeking out God himself and the signs he sends us daily... It's just up to us to take the time out to listen and take notice.. He will lead you where you are meant to go but you have to be willing to walk by Faith not by sight...

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      Tony 4 years ago

      mfm

      "The preponderance of evidence to support the existence of God and of Jesus is massive."

      This statement is laughable. Show me one piece of evidence of ANY supernatural claim that is scientifically proven. Not one supernatural claim has been proven to be true. If you can prove it then you should claim $1,000,000 from the James Randy foundation who have been offering it for the passed 30 years.

      And illuminati? Have you read too many dan brown novels as well as religious texts? You've bought into far too many conspiracy theories my friend. If there was any organization that has tried to rule the world it would be the catholic church. No organization has killed as many as them and currently holds the largest net worth as much as them.

      And I believe that everyone should believe in themselves instead of an invisible deity which makes them feel useless without it.

      And yes I'm aware that christiany sends people to he'll for not believing but I'm also aware that it allows a child rapist to repent and live eternity in the clouds. Sounds like a morally correct god to me

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      Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      "I am",

      I fear you are not speaking to God. You see, the devil inserts himself where God ought to be. We must filter out this deception and only follow the one true God. If you believe "there is only one god by many names", you are deceived. If you believe Buddhism, Islam, or other false religions lead to God, you have been deceived.

      I noted you use "I am". Do you know who uses that? The Freemasons sign documents with "I am" in place of "Sincerely Yours" or other closings. This identifies them to each other. It is a version of calling themselves gods on the same order as God Almighty Himself, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

      That is what this movie does: it supplants God with Satan. People are deceived, and believe the traits of the Chairman are traits of the Creator.

      The denominational churches are controlled by wolves in sheeps' clothing like the World Council of Churches. Other churches have been started by 33rd degree Freemasons (who must sign a document acknowledging that the 'Great Architect' they worship is not God at all, but Satan to pass the 32nd degree. This is another example of the substitution we're talking about. Those churches include: Mormonism (Joe Smith & Brigham Young both 33s). Jehovah's Witness started by a 33. Even the Charismatic church was started by Satanists in order to introduce a new kind of music which caused the singers to curse themselves by the words.

      My message is full of love. People are being deceived. I am telling them to recognize the devil is full of lies and tricks. Jesus spoke one-third of the time about the works of Satan and the devils. Jesus said, "My people perish for lack of knowledge."

      Having a personal relationship with God is far superior to going to church. Church cannot save anyone. In fact, it seals many to Hell when they accept the substitution and become followers of man and not of Jesus.

      You want to seek God? GREAT. Do it. But, stay away from people that don't have the fruit: Love of God first. Love of GOD. These people will have 3 traits to really separate them from the others who think they have something and have nothing, or worse- have Satan (e.g. the Mormon Jesus is a brother of Satan, i.e. a fake Jesus). These 3 traits are:

      they love one another

      they pray for their enemies

      they obey Jesus' commands

      Prophecy, service, loud music, garden parties, and cake bake Wednesday... anyone can do those. But, a real disciple of Jesus will have the 3 things above. You can't find fellowship like that by accident. You have to ask the Holy Spirit to lead you.

      Peace.

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      I am 4 years ago

      But do we who only speak to God know nothing? Im interested in your reply...

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      I am 4 years ago

      I read this entire post and became saddened.. Idk where anyone saw a message from God telling us to use him as a means of division.. I am more spiritual than religious in that I choose to open my heart, mind and life in general to God by talking to him and giving myself time to hear him talk back.. I choose to let God himself guide me rather than any cold book or human soul.. I find your posts to give off an extreme sense of self righteousness and a sense that you belive you are God like when no man can be for no one is without sin.. My relationship with God is close and my life is full of love and joy although I lack materialistic things some thing of as ricges.. I do not... I cannot and will not shove Bible quotes down ppls throats bc I know many who have spent their lives perfecting their knowledge of these man written memories and not enough getting to know God and the plan He has for each of us.. Reading a book wont get you into Heaven any faster than using said book to try to convert ppl who merely sought info on a movie.. You will lead a cold, mislead life if you continue to worship written events based on memory or letters of how an individual interpreted a situation.. If you could ask 100 ppl from back then to explain what happened no teo stories would be alike.. No two letters would tell the same tale.. Thus creating so many religions... God wants us to love, you said it yourself but how much love is in your message to conform to your belief alone or be condumed by hell? Is there some unwritten rule/understanding I am unaware of that states only those who read a Bible are on Gods side? Only they will live eternal with Him? I get it, you know your version of the Bible

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      Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Tony,

      The preponderance of evidence to support the existence of God and of Jesus is massive. The ONLY way to overlook it is to believe a lie, and then ignore the truth presented directly in front of you. Experiment after experiment in psychology has proven this to be true: People will ignore truth right in front of them in favor of their preconceptions; they filter out contradictory evidence.

      The Bible is THE most vetted document of all time. There are hundreds of copies. Beowulf has one, partial copy. However, people easily believe Beowulf is a true copy. But, the thousands of punctuation-accurate copies of the Bible (older than Beowulf!) are ignored by God- rejecters.

      Who told you the encyclopedia has facts in it? Who does it say started the French Revolution? The real answer is: A Satanic group calling themselves the Illuminati. They have 13 families. Today, they are more popularly called "the NWO".

      The King of France kicked out the secret societies, and confiscated their hoards of gold, wealth, and land.

      Who do you think can better initiate a civil war against their enemy? Rich, powerful secret societies with members in every place of government all over the world? Or, a Madame Defarge character, as written by Dickens, but believed to be historical fact by many?

      Do you realize most people believe what is given to them in movies? God is real. Satan is real. Christians are real. Satanists are real. Check out: Bohemian Grove, John Todd, Alberto Rivera, and Colonel SC. But, before you go: determine to be scientific and to just consider the facts.

      Everyone needs to believe what they can see above what they are told to believe. Time to wake up before Hell comes knocking.

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      Tony 4 years ago

      wow you people are crazy. This isn't the first movie to point out the lack of free will that religions impose on it's followers. And some of you are taking the whole Christianity cult thing wayyy too far. Pick up an encyclopedia and read something factual for once in your life

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      Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Corby- No. I just think it is funny to not post really long rants which insult me and have no real point or quality. I think, "Did this guy think I would read all this?" Then I laugh, delete, and move to something worthwhile.

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      Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      It is written after the mentality of the people who would write in the traitor as the only "male person of color." You are supposed to be offended. Only, my intention is for the reader to attribute the lack of class to the movie script writers, not to me. Can't win 'em all.

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      BrendaKay54 4 years ago

      "...black-skinned member of the lot".

      Man from Modesto - I honestly don't believe your description of this character could have possibly been more offensive. If it's beyond your ability to say the African-American, black-American or the negro character, how about the "the male person of color".

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      Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      User7777: try meetup.com for local writer's groups. You can also try odesk.com, guru.com, and craigslist.

      There are many sites on which you can post an ad for free, "writers wanted".

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      User7777 4 years ago

      No, I do not want to buy a movie script. I asked because I have a good idea for a movie script. But some people speak on forum.. SF movie script is not worth much.

      One more question: Where can I find writers to collaborate with me ?

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      Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      The movie is based upon the short story by Philip K. Dick. It is titled, "The Adjustment Team". I don't know if they sell copies of the script. However, I am sure you can hire someone to sit down and type out the dialogue. Try guru.com or odesk.com to find someone to transcribe for you.

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      User7777 4 years ago

      For curiosity, how much cost a movie script ? For The Adjustment Bureau..

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      Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      User7777: Yes.

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      User7777 4 years ago

      Hello, ""Man from Modesto"" you are writing: The adjustment bureau" ?

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      Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      T-

      It helps if you give some context. I have no idea to what you refer. Are you talking about this:

      "In a second meeting, Mitchell tells Norris “that was us” in reference to the deaths of his father and brother when he was young. Mitchell says the Bureau wants Norris to be “empty inside” and that this will drive him to succeed." ?

      I have correctly quoted (or at least paraphrased. It's been a long time since I saw the film and wrote this article.) Mitchell spoke in the affirmative, not in the negative.

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      T-Ruth 4 years ago

      The line is "that was not us"

      1 word brings your whole point down.

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      Bro 4 years ago

      Nice posts, I still see the churches stealing peoples money like everyone else.

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      Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Love conquers all. Love IS the victory. Satan does want anyone to understand that. He, as the Chairman, manipulated David Norris by ruining his life and making him empty inside.

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      James 4 years ago

      If the hypothesis by the writer is true then why does Love win in the end?

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      Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Yay: I have to individually block every advertiser, one by one. I abandoned hope to get them all a long time ago.

      Sorry for offensive ads.

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      Yay 4 years ago

      Is that an ad for a tarot card reading at the bottom???

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      Dave from Troy 5 years ago

      I am so glad some people get it- The Chairman is the king of this world who goes by many names ie: Lucifer. Demons may not wave a scanner over your head to get you to change your mind about things like solar energy, to further Lucifer's plans for globalization and a one world government, but they infect politicians and people through media, and with subtle nudges here and there his plans fall in line. The real truth is they have control over your dreams as well and can adjust you in your sleep- but that sounds crazy... if you try and speak out.. you sound crazy... that is all by design as well and a warning in the movie. Ask yourself why Jesus did not want to fall asleep the night of his arrest. The world around us is controlled by Lucifer- he has his hand in every corporation and government and his plans are proceeding nicely- but the book is already written and we all know how the story ends. STICK TO THE PLAN- GOD'S PLAN

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      Hookman29 5 years ago

      MFM thank you for your reply. This is my point exactly. Wisdom is usually the result of experience in life. After all we are fighting an enemy that knows us better then we know ourselves. And the truth here and on other posts like this is exactly what is needed. Chrisitan lives must reflect the example of Jesus in every aspect. Keep up the good work brother.

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      Man from Modesto 5 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Hookman,

      Our individual inefficiencies and deficiencies are resolved first by the Hand of God. Next, we have the sacrifice of Jesus. "By his stripes we are healed." We have also the Holy Spirit, who teaches us and "leads us into all truth".

      Truth is healing, and can save from death. "My people perish from lack of knowledge," Jesus said. King Solomon said money and wisdom can give you a good life, but only wisdom can save your life.

      Information and understanding are important to living.

      Along with feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, and defending the fatherless and widows, we are told to preach the gospel, heal the sick, and cast out devils.

      Believing lies is a critical form of sickness. My article here, and hundreds of articles and videos elsewhere, are just part of my work for the Kingdom of God. The same is very likely true of those who comment in a way that distributes truth and encourages those who read them to draw near to God.

      -MFM

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      Hookman29 5 years ago

      Of the course the battlefield is the mind. It has always been where the battle waged. I think some of the friction that comes from this posting and others is that some christians try to advise people as if they were Jesus and not a follower of Jesus. Destroying demons, lies and telling truths is fantastic. The problem of our world is that most people cant see past the immediate real issues in their face, like poverty, hunger, eviction and death. And many non believers dont believe or comprehend the Gospel because of the poor and limited Christian examples that exist in our world today. Or more to the point, the Phony Christian expamples.

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      Man from Modesto 5 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Hookman, the rejection of miracles is very strong in the U.S. Most American ministers working in casting out devils are rejected. They become missionaries. In Africa, Eastern Europe, and India, Christians follow the Great Commission.

      In the U.S., you can find William Lau of the Elijah Challenge, Watchman Radio out of New York, and Dr. Pat Holliday... all who cast out devils, heal the sick, and preach the gospel.

      Also, Hookman, commenting on posts like this absolutely sets people free. The devil teaches his followers "the battlefield is for the mind." Many lies bind the ability of non believers to comprehend the gospel. Destroying those lies opens the door for the truth to be received.

      I have received many, many testimonies of people who have been helped by videos and writings on the Internet. It is productive work.

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      Hookman29 5 years ago

      So Man from Modesto, now that I am clear that this movie is the about the work of the devil and that the world has been living the lie of the devil. You also explained how the proof of God is massive ( which I already knew), please show me where I can find Massive proof that Christians are doing anything about it other than commenting on posts like this.

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      Man from Modesto 5 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Be careful with that one, Jozsef. My words to those who come here to rail against the truth are not in anger. In my comments to others, I am very clear and very blunt. But, there is no anger.

      Peace.

      MFM

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      Kovacs Jozsef 5 years ago

      Jesus said,"For verily, verily I say unto you, he that hath the spirit of contention is not of me, but is of the devil, who is the father of contention, and he stirreth up the hearts of men to contend with anger, one with another." This whole conversation sounds like it is authored by Satan, the father of contention.

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      Man from Modesto 5 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      taj,

      While saying you know nothing, your statements really claim that YOU are right, and I am wrong.

      You quote Andre Gide. Gide basically rebelled against religion and God. He considered them "puritanical". One of the reasons Gide needed to reject Christianity and social morality: he liked little boys.

      You sure that is whose philosophy of life you want to choose over the teachings of my Father in Heaven and of Jesus?

      P.S.- Gide was born into a French culture which had been defeated by the Satanists, who successfully incited a rebellion to overthrow the French monarchy. Their first rule of order, after beheading anyone who might resist them, was to remove the statement that France was a Christian nation.

      All those famous French philosophers were just victims of the culture into which they were born. It was heavily influenced by the hand of "the Chairman".

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      taj 5 years ago

      I could say a lot of things, but they've already been said and been responded to, been proven "wrong", been ignored or mis-charaterized and I don't need to see myself talk.

      Modesto Man, I'll say this: I used to be like you. I knew everything and anybody that didn't agree with me was wrong. My thinking was small and I was very judgmental. Over the last 20 yrs, things changed.

      A quote I read: "Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it." Reminds me of you.

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      Man from Modesto 5 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Hookman,

      That is the only point I intended: The Bible is a factual compilation of history, letters from apostles, and testimonies of prophets and disciples.

      So, I gave examples. The implication, if anything was not directly stated, is that atheists are brainwashed into believing the Bible is a fictitious creation. There are religious books which are completely invented: Book of Mormon and Scientology, for examples. However, the 66 individual writings called "the Bible" are each independent works produced over a period of more than 4,000 years.

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      Hookman29 5 years ago

      Man from Modesto your comment to Daniel is right on. However your implication is not. Of course that WW1 battle was won by the Brits knowing the secret canyon passage. The canyon location was written into history and placed in the bible. There was no divinity behind the location. A man wrote that into the bible. History is written by the victors of conflicts.

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      Man from Modesto 5 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Actually, desu, I came to this conclusion completely independent of any religion. Do you think they are warning about "socialization" in movies at any denominational churches? Or any churches anywhere? Most of them are the synagogue of Satan.

      If you want to find truth, you have to looking. Only the seeker finds, only the one who knocks has the door opened.

      The idea that religion is for dunderheads is just one of the many oft-repeated bullet-point thoughts inserted into movies everywhere to subliminally program you.

      You think you have a right position on Jesus. You don't. You have the one Satan gave you.

      Free your mind.

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      desu 5 years ago

      *sigh*, this is exactly the way of thinking that religion causes people to have...

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      Hookman29 5 years ago

      Something interesting in the movie is the statement made by one of the so called Demons(according to man from modesto) was that humans dont have free will, we have the illusion of free will. According to MFM Gods plan has already been set and doesn't ever change, then God already knows the choices we will make doesn't he? So then Adam and Eve eating the apple, death destruction and mayhem shouldn't be a big shocker. This is all supposed to happen for some reason. And since everything hasn't been revealed to us by God, we dont know what he has in store for us or why correct? So then why would he need us to do anything good or bad, follow or not follow him. It wouldn't change or affect his plan anyway!! Am I missing something? And MFM or anyone, what is Gods plan? and why would he want to have us involved, since the world is his footstool he doesn't need us anyway it sounds like. I am interested to hear the answers and comments.

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      Man from Modesto 5 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Jim Bo: Yes, I have considered what might have happened if I were born into a different culture in a different religion. I was. I compared all the major religions, challenged them philosophically and by experience. I actually decided the Jews were the best. But, when the rabbi said I had to reject Jesus. I prayed 7 days. On the 7th day, Jesus showed me in a dream that He has power over all the other claimants to supernatural power. God is at the top of the food chain. So, I am a Christian with ZERO doubt.

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      Man from Modesto 5 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Daniel,

      You claim that an "educated person knows better" is poorly supported by your pop culture "facts". It is popular amongst a certain group of people whose arrogance permits them to assume that everything about them is better than everything about everyone else. Since they went to college, college is the best life plan, they believe.

      For example, you attribute to me the statement "science is false and only 1 book is true." This is a common misbelief. It is propagated by Satanists to deceive those who lack scientific rigor and who fail to apply philosophy of logic to their beliefs. Because they cannot utilize the scientific method, they are unable to identify a lie, and to even identify the kind of false premise or non sequitur being plied.

      Those who hate Christ love to say that Christians reject "Darwinism and science". It is a false claim. Darwinism is junk. It is nothing less than a social agenda supported by Satanists. Science, however, is a powerful tool. It is nothing in itself. It is only something in the mind of a true scientist, a king who loves to seek out the hidden things.

      Second, you attribute the Crusades to Christians. Wrong again. Those were the works of Rome, of the Roman Catholic church. It is a pagan system, and Satanic at the top. Look up the "black pope".

      The world is filled with a war between Satanists and Christians. There are true "powers and principalities" at work. They deceive you in movies and tv. They tell you lies in books and text books.

      You attack me claiming I pretend to "know all". I have not said that. This explanation of the Adjustment Bureau is spot-on, however.

      The PROOF of God is massive. You say the Bible is a work of science fiction? There are more copies of the letters, histories, and testimonies compiled into the Bible than any other book- including those so easily accepted by academics. (e.g. Beowulf, The Iliad). The compiled histories have been vetted; anthropologists use stories in the Bible to locate ancient cities. A battle in WWI was won by the Brits against the Germans when a young lieutenant recalled that a battle had been won in the same location using a canyon passage known only to locals. They found the canyon and circled behind the Germans, and defeated them.

      The histories, testimonies, and letters in the Bible are true.

      I have never seen any "proof" debunking the Bible. All the mockers just agree to thumbs up each other's bizarre claims.

      btw, I am a scientist. How about you?

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      Daniel 5 years ago

      With the belief that all science is false and only 1 book is true, then yes your beliefs and theories are completely sound. But an educated person knows better. I use my "god given" free will to not believe in him/her. Before you start going Dr. Phil on me and blaming someone for me not believing in god. I am a man of logic and there in NO proof of god and A LOT of proof debunking it. For all we know, the bible may have been the first science fiction novel ever written and then some crazy guy ran with it like you did with this article. You don't know and neither do I. To each his own and because I used to be christian I know it is not very christian like to push your beliefs on others (That's what started the crusades ;) ) Keep your opinions to yourself and if you must, pray for the people you think may be going down the wrong path but don't you dare think that you know all. I'm not saying your wrong because I don't know but look at it this way. Even a crazy err.. I mean broken clock is right twice a day.

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      jim bo 5 years ago

      You keep saying that jesus is the only way to god and all other methods (ie religions) are wrong, but have you considered that other religions say the same? They claim their religion to be the only way to god in the same way you claim jesus to be the only way to god.

      Another point, have you considered that if you were born in china, for example, you would have a completely different belief system? You would believe a totally different set of beliefs purely because of geographical location.

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      Little Child 5 years ago

      To the man who said "the film is just a film"

      Au contrare, everything has meaning behind it. This film is a work of art: tantamount to a book, a painting or whatever genre or form you choose. Yes it is open to interpretation, but to believe that is merely pictures moving on a screen is simply vapid.

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      Little Child 5 years ago

      Just saw the movie and was searching for meaning or in-depth thought into this interesting film. I must say thank you for sharing your viewpoint, a very good read.

      Now, I was thinking to myself: What if the entire point of the film is to show that we do indeed have free will as bestowed on us by God, but the forces of evil try to mould us into their various forms through the various manifestations of evil around us. The love displayed by David towards Elise is analogous to the love Jesus showed for us on the cross... Although the devil has a plan for us 'in hell' as seen through their little notebooks, we should not merely follow what seems to be the 'logical' decision in our lives but with a conscious heart an mind embrace the will of God and serve him, not merely following patterns and so called trends as displayed by David.

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      Tired of Arguement 5 years ago

      I think the fact that two people with completely opposing views, can argue their side both quoting from the same book, (The Bible) proves that the bible is open to interpretation, and that neither side can claim to be right or wrong. Kinda like the film...the fact one of you can argue the chairman is the devil because he is known by many names, and the fact the other can argue that the chairman is god because he has many names, and you can both use the same book and the same religion to argue your point proves that its ok to have oppinnions and get different experiences out of the same events...

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      Nick 5 years ago

      "assassination is not a tool of the Kingdom of God" .. except that whole Jesus on the cross thing, I'm sure that was part of the plan...

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      david 5 years ago

      david means beloved and elise meaning my god is a vow.

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      SCott 5 years ago

      The meaning of the name "Elise" is "My God is a vow". Woh

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      Man from Modesto 5 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      anthropologists date a vase, wood carving, or bone according to the date assigned to the layer of earth in which they find it.

      Geologists date the layer of earth according to the age of vases, wood carvings or bones (etc) found in that layer.

      Seem circular? It is!

      The whole dating mess traces back to: Stratigraphy, the lie created by Charles Lyell.

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      Reality Check 5 years ago

      Good comments. Although what about the other evidence, fossils millions of years old?

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      Man from Modesto 5 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      RC: Actually, all the evidence supports an earth that is about 6000 years old. Oldest desert: Sahara, 5500 years old. Niagara Falls is 3000 years old. Oldest coral reef: about 4000 years old.

      What the Satanists do is this: They lie. They lie and say there are exactly 12 layers of earth, with the oldest being billions of years old. Charles Lyell made that claim in Stratigraphy. He told people at a cocktail party, and wrote in his own private journal that he LIED because he HATED Christians and wanted to debunk the Bible. Lyell mentored Darwin, btw. (Note also the 1st syllable of Lyell's name...)

      It is good to seek God. And, it is good to reject any man-made gods. No argument from me. In fact, I agree. Instead, however, you cannot seek to find a god "on my terms" or according to "my label". You must seek to find the truth, the REAL God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; the God of Salvation.

      He requires that we meet Him on His terms, not ours. Should we expect something else?

      Here are the terms God set forth: accept Jesus as the Redeemer, the one who paid the price for all wrongdoing. According to God's terms, this is the ONLY propitiation. Jesus is the ONLY door to God the Father and eternal life in Heaven.

      Check it out, seeker.

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      Reality Check 5 years ago

      I was interested in this discussion till I read you believe the world is 6000 years old. I can buy into religion and I'm not against the idea of a god but it will be on my terms, my label, not what another person has created. I feel many faiths have developed over time to provide comfort to those who need answers and there is nothing wrong with that. The human creation of religion is evident however when you see a statement saying the world is 6000 years old. Get a grip. The proof is there this is not true and you make a fool of yourself by not admitting this. Religion needs to modernise and start adopting science into its thinking. The world is millions of years old..fact. Is there a god..? I dont know... but I would like to believe that if there was he/she/it would be disappointed that somone would refuse to adopt common sense into their belief. Any god I decide to believe in would have to know the earth is well over 6000 yrs old.

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      5 years ago

      You should watch the ending of the movie. Why would Mitchell say that even the Bureau itself is being tested also. The Chairman wants you to realize that even though he has a plan for all of us and we are bound by fate and our destiny, we have a choice of our own, our "free will" to do whatever we want. And because David and Elise fought for what they believe in and that no plan or fate or destiny can ruin what they have, they risked it and it inspired The Chairman. It inspired him to rewrite their plan at the end of the movie. The Chairman or God (so it seems) doesn't fully understand love, but is awed by humans passion for the love of another and the risks we take to fight for love. In the end of the movie, Mitchell states that these plans are there because humans are afraid to explore the outside world. Afraid to go out of their comfort zone or afraid to use free will "because they might screw up" (my own opinion), BUT if you open up your eyes and fight for what you believe in, learn from your mistakes and fight for free will, then these plans are not needed. You can begin to write your own path. It takes a strong free willed person to defy against god, knowing the consequences and believing He will forgive you, but in this case David did it for a good reason and The Chairman was inspired by that. Throughout the movie, The Chairman MIGHT have tested David and threw everything he had at him, but David was determine to fight for love (my opinion). That is why I believe The Chairman is God. I don't know how you could sit there and say the Chairman is Satan, when Thompson said that they had to jump in when chaos stirred up. The Dark Ages was on the horizon and they had to fix that. After the Dark Ages, they gave humankind another chance to rewrite history again, to make sure it never happened again, but war happened again. WW1 and 2. They came in and fixed it up (maybe Thompson is Satan, who knows). So why would The Chairman be Satan if he had to come in and fix humankind's mistake? Its your own opinion on The Chairman being Satan and I respect that, but what I don't respect is that while reading your comments to other people, you weren't open up to ideas and opinions of other people and trying, I'm assuming, to enforce Christianity is the way. God wants us to find our own path and believe in him while you do it.

      Your stating that Christians don't kill or fight? You weren't alive thousands of years ago. Every religion has its fair share of violence.

      The Illuminati, Bohemian Grove, etc. has nothing to do with this film. This film is to instill questions. To maybe have you open up your heart and eyes, is that, is this the path you want to take? Do you want to follow a religion, an occult, pact, or whatever? And for your information, I don't read the bible. I'm a buddhist, but not a full buddhist. Therefore I am not mislead. I do believe there is a higher power out there. And I do believe there is god. And I do believe God wants me to follow my own path, but still believe in him. He, and this is my own opinion, is testing you. Testing all of us. Do you want to read the bible and teach people the bibles teachings or go out and teach people what you have discovered that the way we live is destroying both our world and each other. Do you want to make your life dedicated to a religion or do you want to dedicate your life to humans and bringing peace? I truly believe he wants me to follow my own path. And building my own path, comes with responsibility. Do you use your own path for good or evil?

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      Man from Modesto 5 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Mr. Green: I believe your confusion rests in your not understanding this spiritual law: "a little leaven leavens the whole loaf." The devil knows this. He understands that showing a clear, 100% distorted message will result in massive rejection of the effort. So, the devil leads in small increments, and by adding just a little confusion, and just a little disinformation. He mixes this in with enough truth that those who do not seek God and do not read the Bible will be easily mislead. Scripture warns that those who do not study scripture can be easily mislead by every new doctrine that comes around.

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      Mr. Green 5 years ago

      I am confused here. If this movie is a tool of the devil to format our thinking, why did love conquer the devil in this movie, if the devil is really the chairman? If we are not supposed to get that and believe God is the chairman we are persuaded to believe that God is affected by our persistence to seek love. That also doesn't seem to fit the devil's plan. Furthermore, it seems you're saying it is the devil that uses this movie as his tool and yet he apparently put in all kinds of hints (that practically only you are clever enough to spot) to reveal it is really about him and his demons. Is he that stupid? Wouldn't he be more successful not putting in those clues? Please enlighten me.

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      Man from Modesto 5 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      I believe in a 6000 year-old earth. I believe this based on the facts, not on the disinformation printed and propagandized by those who hate God. To simply refuse to believe what is plainly printed is just that- simple refusal. There is no science or reason, just rejection. I flipped through a Richard Dawkins book in the B&N today. Each chapter began with an attack on Christian beliefs like young earth and miracles. Yet, people want to believe it is science, and not God-hating. Guess what? It's God-hating, pure and simple.

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      Wow! 5 years ago

      I refuse to believe that you are stupid enough to think the world is 6000 years old. I simply refuse to believe it. I can maybe stretch far enough to believe that you are a fundamentalist (Although it's far more likely you just enjoy the attention.) and actually believe most of what your saying.

      However, if you really think the earth is only 6000 years old, and that any of your arguments against the fact of that hold any weight. My friend, you need to see someone.

      The film is a film. Good luck in the asylum.

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      yuhhhh 5 years ago

      man you must be crazy to take everything to biblical preportions

      it is your opinion, but i believe they're not evil or demon-like, just kind of controllers of destiny, just carrying out like machines, which could be a reason why they have long lifespans, but nothing lasts forever.

      to me it was more a movie about love, and makes me reflect on what i would give up to stay with the women i love forever.

      it shows how when you find that special person, you'd give up being the president for her.

      i hate to see what kind of life you have if the message you took from that was demons.

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      Franky 5 years ago

      http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dalrymple/scientif...

      http://www.earthhistory.org.uk/questions-of-age/cy...

      http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-na...

      Look mate I was actually making a joke. I didn't actually think there were people dumb enough to think the earth is 6000 years old. Even when there are civilizations that predate that??? Those resources took about 10 minutes to find but if you walk into a museum or read an encyclopedia you'd find the answer rather quickly. Saying there is no science to support that is like saying there is no maths to support economics. The idea is childish. Also there are geologists and other scientists that support and provide evidence for an earth that is billions of years old so you can jump on their bandwagon. Please don't reply with a bible verse or saying that god placed fake fossils or created rocks or meteors with age.

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      Man from Modesto 5 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      There is NO SCIENCE whatsoever to support millions and billions of years. There is a mountain of evidence supporting an earth that is about 6,000 years old. Show me some proof, and I will show you how it is a lie, and intentional disinformation. Pick ANY PIECE OF "PROOF" you believe in.

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      Franky 5 years ago

      Its funny hearing the lies...I mean word of god being spread. There have been thousands of civilizations and thousands of religions made up to explain the universe around them. Thankfully in the past few hundred years science has given us true answers as to why things happen instead of believing that the earth is 6 thousand years old or in the centre of the universe as the bible would have you believe.

      The movie is a good movie. Not great but just good. It was made to make money for the studio and the actors etc. It's not the work of the hundredth "devil" that was made by man to spread bad thoughts or whatever.

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      Man from Modesto 5 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Sean,

      Thank you for your reply. The love of Jesus is not missed by me. This is NOT an "idle debate". Jesus himself came and told the truth. Many of the things Jesus said infuriated crowds to the point that they wanted to kill him. At the time God had appointed, they were successful.

      In the Methodist church, and other churches ruled by the "World Council of Churches" (a global satanic movement), they teach that "no one has ever been argued into believing"- and therefore Christians do not need to argue, which is to present true statements contrary to false ones. That is a doctrine of Hell. Satan is the "father of lies" and a "deceiver". Jesus warned us, "My people perish for lack of knowledge."

      Our job is very much to go out and warn people about the lies of devils. Jesus spoke one-third of the time about the things the devil does & will do. Why don't we?

      Make no mistake- theater is a major vehicle for getting the people to do the desire of those in power (evil, crooked people, many of whom are satanists and most of whom hate God). Marketing gets us to buy their products. Front-loading programs us to interpret information in certain ways. How many movies- it might be more than 50% - have one or more phrases laughing at the idea of God?

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      Sean 5 years ago

      My apologies for not being clear. The beautiful message I refer to is not that of the adjustment bureau. The message I think you've misunderstood is the message of Jesus. You've abandoned love. You're seemingly motivated by fear and self justification. I pray you find your way back to Jesus brother. Think about the things you've said. Do you really think or lord and creator cares for such idle debate over a piece of entertainment? I truly mean no offence, just please try and remember the place of love in all of this.

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      Hookman29 5 years ago

      Seans point is very clear MFM. He just pointed out that man still is struggling to understand what God really wants from us. And that there are people that will take Gods word and prevert it for their own ends, including those that claim to be spuritually enlightened.

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      Man from Modesto 5 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Sean, your point is not clear. It seems you are saying that this movie (an act of Satan through the author) is a "beautiful message". Which part is beautiful? Is it the the graying down of the difference between an angel and a demon so that people will be ignorant to discern the difference and fall for Satan's lies? (A major objective in a great many movies.) Is it the confusion added to the understanding of the nature of God, which we need in our personal relationships with Him?

      Evil cannot triumph over love? Read Revelation. Evil will be given authority to kill believers. It is the ultimate test of faith: reject God and live in the flesh, but die eternally, OR die in the flesh, but keep eternal life.

      The Adjustment Bureau is being effective against those who do not read the Bible, do not seek God, and have not received the fullness of wisdom they need.

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      Sean 5 years ago

      Wow, that's a lot of hate coming from the original author. A truly horrid thing to witness when done in the name of god. Do you see what man's bastardisation and desperate need for clarification can do to a once beautiful message. It is truly sad. A message running through this is that evil cannot triumph over love. Try letting some into your heart brother. Embrace the message, done choke on the details.

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      Power 5 years ago

      Some really interesting stuff here, I realize that many of you may well be better informed than me when it comes to history and theology but my understanding is this:

      A film can never explain the mysteries of spirituality,

      because they are more complex than we can even begin to comprehend using our own reasoning and experience.

      The Film simply demostrates some overall truths and fills in the blanks with "entertainment"

      So what are the truths that the film portays?

      1. God has a plan for your life. Jeremiah 29:11

      2. If you want something (in this case love,) then asking God, and showing your willingness to work for it means God will grant it, as long as it is in line with his will (plan) Philippians 4:6

      I think this will seem to many like watering it down but he have to bear in mind that for the film to be a good watch, it has to cut some corners and make some assumptions.

      Perhaps the film is to make people ask: "what if"

      And if through that 1 person finds Christ, then it was all worth it, however it came about.

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      MFM knows his stuff 5 years ago

      Just read the post and all the comments. MFM, you seem like a smart, informed Christian. I'm a Christian myself, and I hope to one day be able to defend my faith the way you do.

      Also, you really have a good point suggesting The Chairman is Satan, but I'm not sure if it matters one way or another; it's just a fictional story. I appreciate you using the issue of The Chairman's identity to discuss spiritual warfare, however. That is a creative way of sparking conversation with people over the Internet, who presumably did a search for "adjustment bureau meaning" and landed here. Great ministry tool.

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      Man from Modesto 5 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Bobby, I did not approve your message. In it, you repeated many untruths. Christians do not fight and kill. Jesus said, "If my kingdom were of this world, my people would fight." But, His people did not fight. The Crusades, no matter what the Crusaders called themselves, were NOT an act of Christ. In fact, the Crusades were ordered by Rome. They sacked and destroyed Constantinople, a Christian stronghold. It was the last thing preventing Islam from entering areas north. The Crusades made ship builders and merchants wealthy. Nothing new under the sun.

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      Man from Modesto 5 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Mv,

      The OT and NT in the Bible do not contradict each other. There is a very consistent message: Love God above all other things with all your mind, body, and heart; love others as yourself; believe God and follow him before you believe what men say... and many more which really reduce to the first two.

      Since you are crediting knowledge and deliverance from ignorance to Satan, and accusing God of being evil, who should I think you are following? You need to find out what God Himself actually is saying to us. Get a Bible and read it yourself. Start in the back, with the book of John. It is a collection of historical accounts, the prophecies of major and minor prophets, and letters written by the disciples of Jesus to people they were helping. Written by them, during their lifetimes. Promotion of the Bible as being a bunch of lies (both by atheists and the catholics) is simply this: disinformation spread by haters of God.

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      Man from Modesto 5 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      Dave, I always appreciate the comments of others- as long as they are seeking after the one true God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Not the moon god, not the god of Ishmael, not any kind of fake jesus who is brother to satan, or who is only a prophet, not the Son of the Most High.

      All other comments are the work of Satan. Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life." Without Jesus, there is no admission to Heaven. Jesus is THE ONLY way to God. Jesus himself said he is the son of God. Many others knew he is the Son of God.

      Others don't seem to care if they are deluded (and on their way to Hell, if they don't turn to Jesus." It seems you belong to this unfortunate group. All others seem to be telling you that mixing idols into your belief system is okay; that allowing the devil to run amock in the Harvest is okay. God does not agree with that.

      Who desires to be right with God must believe GOD, not man. I hope the Truth will set you free.

      I have this word for you from the HOly Spirit, "I know you. I have not yet called you. But, soon you will be set free."

      Sincerely,

      MFM