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Today-We had a visit from Hell

Updated on May 16, 2015

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Fire raging at Bunyip State Forest

Graphic photo taken by Andrew Brownbill of AAP of the Bushfire at Bunyip
Graphic photo taken by Andrew Brownbill of AAP of the Bushfire at Bunyip

Victoria is under Siege

Today the 07 day of February 2009 will go down in Victoria's history as a day of infamy.

Victoria is under siege as nine, and increasing seeming by the minute, major wildfires burnt out of control on Saturday, destroying homes and critically injuring at least one person. ( This number will definitely increase) As Melbourne recorded its hottest day ever and strong winds fanned flames, the Country Fire Authority (CFA)reported at least 80 homes, a golf club and a fire truck were destroyed.

Local Radio Station ABC 774 are broadcasting not stop with emergency and help, there are also streaming if you want updates.

If you would like to check condition our Bureau of Meteorology radar is available as a loop.

Scary isn't it?

Brave fire fighters at the fire front Photo by Andrew Brownbill AAP
Brave fire fighters at the fire front Photo by Andrew Brownbill AAP

Close to home

Thousands of firefighters and residents battled major fronts at Horsham, Coleraine, Weerite, Kilmore East, Bunyip, Churchill, Dargo, Murrindindi and Redesdale in all corners of the scorched state as the searing heat and high winds exceeded authorities' predictions of the worst fire conditions in the state's history "It is pretty well every part of the state except the far northwest," Deputy Chief Fire Officer John Haynes said.

A 2500 hectare fire at Horsham was the largest in the state, while another at the Bunyip State Park reached 2400 hectares, and one at Kilmore burned 2000 hectares.

A fire at King Lake was not even in this report . The Churchill fire in Gippsland was bearing down on coastal towns including Yarram, Langsbrough and Manns Beach. Mr Haynes said it would be about midnight, after a cool change had swept across the state, before fire fighters knew whether they had got on top of the blazes. "Our guys have been flat out trying to fight the fires and trying to pin them down a bit," Mr Haynes said. "The fire weather this morning and last night, in all of the figures, was extreme and off the scale." By 6pm, at least one house was destroyed at Coleraine in Victoria's west, three homes and the town's golf club at Horsham; in Melbourne's southeast three homes were destroyed at Lyndbrook; this is only about 5 km from my property , and we have been surrounded by smoke all day today.

North of Melbourne six houses were destroyed at Wandong

I want to get this published, we have been warned we will probably lose power as the main power line to Melbourne is under threat.

It is very hot

Saturday's top temperature in the city of 46.4 degrees Celsius smashed the previous record of 45.6C set on January 13, 1939 - known as Black Friday. Bureau of Meteorology senior forecaster Stuart Coombs said the highest recording was at Avalon, southwest of Melbourne which topped 47.9C at 2.50pm.

My old thermometer just held out and registered 49 C.

Just to give you an idea how hot that is : 45C = 116F (approx)

Updates

10 pm 07.02.09

For any information contact The Red Cross 1800 727 077

Police have just confirmed that 14 people have been killed around Victoria, and they expect the number to increase .

There has been wind change earlier but instead of helping the situation it has just create more and longer fronts.

Midnight

11 major Firefronts and many smaller fires are burning out of control.

at least 100 properies have been reported destroyed so far.

Noon Sunday 08.02.09

Police have made the grim announcement that 26 people are confirmed dead and they expect the toll to rise. Some areas are still too dangerous to inspect!

Fires are burning out of control on 11 fronts and some fronts are expected to join later today.

Defence Force personal and resources are being deployed where possible.

One fire alone has burnt out an area of 120 thousand hectares.

Bob Brown the leader of the Green Party has made in my opinion an inappropriate comment blaming climate change. (more to come on that).

1 PM Sunday 08.02.09

Now confirmed that 35 people have lost their lives in this fire storm.

The little township of Marysville, north Melbourne has been razed.

7 pm Sunday 08.02.09

Tonight I sit here unashamedly with tears running down my face.

I have just watched the latest report on the bushfires. The report shows the breadth and utter devastation the fires have caused.

It has confirmed that the fires will now go down in history as the worst in Victoria's History.

The confirmed loss of life is 66 deaths and still expected to rise.

800+ homes have been destroyed.

The Main fire is burning on 100+ km front.

The Federal Government has announced that through "Centrelink" by tomorrow morning emergency funds will be available to people in need of funds.

11 am Monday 09.02.09

The tears are still flowing and the news is no better this morning, it has been confirmed that there are now 108 fellow Victorians have died as a result of the fires. I am in dread as very few names have been released and I know many people in the fire ravaged areas.

Our "Hell Weekend" has now reached the infamy of being not only Victoria's but Australia's worst natural disaster.

Among the deceased are Brian Naylor and his wife Morie, Brian was a muched loved and respected News reader on our major TV stations until he retired.

There are still 12 fires burning out of control and another 26 blazes being attended by over 3000 firefighters.

The Federal Government has kicked off a relief fund and many overseas Government are also committing much needed funds.

I believe at this stage all of our major banks are opening accounts to receive donations for people in need . Some only have the clothes they are wearing.

Our major banks are

  • COMMONWEALTH

  • ANZ

  • NATIONAL

  • WESTPAC

all donations received will I'm sure go in full to the relief of those in need.

3 pm Monday 09.02.09

More of my fellow Victrorians have lost their lives, there are now officially 126 that have been killed in this fire disaster.

Not enough thanks can be given to our firefighters, most who are volunteers and most distressingly there has been some who have lost family members and their homes while fighting this brute of a fire.

New Zealand has announced they are sending about 100 fire fighters to help with the fires. A heartfelt thankyou TOF from all of us to NZ.

NSW are also sending up to 300 firefighters, even though they have there own fire fighting problems.

We have been preoccupied with our fires but ironically our Norhern state Queensland is experiencing flooding over the last week. A number of people have drowned and it is believed that a young boy has been taken by a crocodile. Yes folks I kid you not, this is true!!!!

10am Tuesday 10.02.09

I'm sorry to burden you with further bad news but it has unfortunately been announced that there are now 173 people confirmed dead.

Conditions have eased and firefighters are working furiously to contain many fires. It is feared that conditions will worsen towards the end of the week.

Federal Government was suspended yesterday and all Flags are flying at half mast.

The Victorian Premier Mr.Brumby announced that a Royal Commission is to be set up to investigate our "Hell Weekend", and the system of compulsary evacuation will be fully looked into.

5pm Tuesday 10.02.09

Thank God there has been no addition to the death toll , but we are still expecting the worst, as there are lot have houses that are still inaccessible.

The Federal Government have announced that there is no cap on the money to be made available.

Our Chief Commissioner of Police Christine Nixon who is retiring in April wil take retirement early and has been appointed to lead a Building Recovery Unit.

Our Premier has created a Police Task Force (Phoenix) of up to 100 members to carry out investigation to catch the arsonists responsible for these horrific fires.

There has been a large number of firefighters brought in from South Australia.

I have just heard a report that up till now 350 thousand hectares have been ravaged by fire. In my calculations thats about 15% of our state. One fire alone has a front of 150km.

11pm Tuesday 10.02.09

I'm sorry to report that the death toll has now risen to 181.

So far 900 homes have been destroyed.

7000 survivors are registered with the Red Cross.

11am Wednesday 11.02.09

I think that the authorities are not telling us the whole story as far as casualties are concerned. Some estimates are as high as 300.

The houses lost have now reached the staggering figure of 1008.

One township of 500 population has reportedly lost 100 of their residents, I just can't comprehend the magnitude of this catastrophe.

Overnight is has been reported that 2 acts of arson where performed by 2? men? near Stanley already suffering from the fires.

It is feared that with the winds that are freshening to 25-30 kph there is a possibilities of a convergance of separate fires.

It is nice to share

David Tree shares his bottle with Sam
David Tree shares his bottle with Sam
Sam is now safe and well
Sam is now safe and well

   8pm Wednesday 11/02.2009

I'll give you some cheering news tonight.

Some images have been seen around the world of a little Koala nicknamed Sam sharing a bottle of water with CFA member David Tree.

David said that he could see from his truck that Sam was in trouble so he pulled over and she just 'plonked' herself down as if to say "I'm beat"

David offered her a drink and she drank 3 bottles of water.

David said "The most amazing part was when she grabbed my hand, I will never forget that"

Well the good news is that little Sam is actually a female Koala had burns to her paws and was in a lot of pan. Sam is now being cared for in the "Mountain Ash Wildlife Sanctuary" is on the road to recovery and is expected to be released back into the wild in about 5 months.

Apparently she is being well looked after by a male Koala in the Sanctuary.

And you thought it was a set up?

Sam and the boys kick back! A cartoon from Mark Knight of the Herald-Sun Newspaper
Sam and the boys kick back! A cartoon from Mark Knight of the Herald-Sun Newspaper

11 am Thursday 12.02.2009

Thank God there is no further reports of death.

Overnight and this morning with the help of the Australian Army and many private individuals a bare earth fire break was created at least 125 km long to protect assets and Melbournes main water supply.

It has just been reported on the radio that Victorian Police detectives are "interviewing " two people in regards to the fires!

2 pm Thursday 12.02.2009

There has been a respite in the intensity of the fires and Firefighters are using the time to create firebreaks in time for expected heat and wind increases in the next few days.

The Australian cricket team made a very welcome visit to the bushfire victims yesterday and they lifted spirits as they mingled with the kids.

10 am Friday 13.02.2009

Today will not be a good day, the beautiful little township of Healsville has been under threat of fire all night and the fire is now only 1 km away from the township. Healesville is the birth place of my beautiful wife.

There is still 14 wildfires burning out of control.

Winds are freshening from the east.

Australian Defence Forces and all available forces are now being thrown at this fire.

There are now over 1800 homes confirmed destroyed.

The day to day running of the Victorian Government has come to a standstill due to the enormity of this devastation.

Fire fighting experts are being brought in from New Zealand, Canada and America to advise on the fires.

4pm Friday 13.02.2009

The winds have changed to the East and are driving the smoke over the city of Melbourne . The fires are now being driven in a westerly direction.

The fire threatening Healseville has been averted from the town by a slight wind change and a lot of hard work.

There are still 15 fires out of control.

A suspect has been taken into custody and is being interviewed by Police, he is expected to be charged sometime today.

Two other deliberately lite fires were started late yesterday and overnight in the suburbs of Melbourne. The fires were extinguished with no major losses.

9pm Friday 13.02.2009

A man I believe to be in his thirties appeared in court this afternoon and charged in relation to the Churchill-Jeeralang bushfire in eastern Victoria.

Twenty-one people are confirmed to have died in that bushfire on Saturday.

The court has heard that the man may need to be protected from other prisoners. Assistant Police Commissioner Dannye Maloney says the man has been moved to Melbourne due to security concerns.

"People are pointing fingers, people are jumping to conclusions, rumours and innuendos are ebbing... we do not need that," he said.

"Let Victoria Police do its role, we identified this person, we are prosecuting this person on behalf of the community."

The man, who can not be named, has been charged with "one count of arson causing death", "one count of deliberately lighting a bushfire", and "one count of possessing child pornography".The man did not attend the brief hearing at the Latrobe Valley Magistrates Court this afternoon.

Magistrate Clive Allsop ordered that he undergo a psychiatric assessment.

There was no application for bail, and the man will appear in the Melbourne Magistrates Court on Monday.

As I post this last update for the night the wind is blowing a gale outside and I am not looking forward to the news in the morning.

A much needed break

CFA volunteers taking a much needed break
CFA volunteers taking a much needed break

10am Saturday  14.02.2009

Today has begun as a day of relative calm, just another typical summer day in Melbourne.

And then I tuned into the radio and realised that it was not a bad dream. The last week had been reality.  Oh how I wish it had just been a nightmare in my own head!

The good news if you can call it good is that mother nature is being kind to Victoria today and it will be a day of containment.

The current state of the fires are that there are still 12 fires burning out of control and work is progressing to contain these fires with a massive front of an estimated 350km.  There are 15 fires burning which have been contained and work is proceeding to bring them under control. There are a further 84 fires which are classed as under control.

Just a short note that there is another breed of scum which has crawled out from under the rocks where they live. That is the "looter" I just hope that this scum is not uniquely Australian. But be warned if there are any "looters" reading this or you know one, here is a message for you.

" You are being watched, you will be caught , there are angry people just waiting to take their anger out on something. If there is anything left of you, you will be handed over to the police for them to deal with you"

The survivors of Marysville will be shown what is left (very little) of their once very picturesque township. They will not be allowed off the buses as the whole township is a crime scene as it is believed the fire was deliberately lit.  

    

10pm Sunday 15.02.2009

The day had been going well until about 5pm and a Fire has broken out in the Dandenong Ranges near Belgrave,being fanned by a brisk South Easterly.

At the moment there are 8 Fires still "going" , 17 "contained" and 90 "controlled"

It was revealed today that the Fire which killed a number of people in the horrific fires last week could have been started by a broken power line, and a Class action has already been commenced against the Power Company and the Victorian State Government.

10pm Monday 16.02.2009

Another eight people are confirmed to have died in the fires, taking the known toll to 189.

Firefighters are still trying to contain fires around Melbourne's water catchments, but at this stage no communities are being threatened.

Largest fire is still not contained and has burnt out nearly 150,000 Hectares.

The 2nd largest fire is now classified as contained.

There are still 6 fires regarded as "going" (uncontained)

The victims of Victoria's bushfires will be remembered at a memorial service in Melbourne next Sunday on what has been declared a "National Day of Mourning". Prime Minister Kevin Rudd says February 7 will be etched in the country's memory as a day of disaster, death and mourning.

People will also get the chance to recognise the work of firefighters.

10pm Tuesday 17.02.2009

Police today announced that the number of people confirmed dead in Victoria's bushfires has climbed to 200.

Firefighters seem to be finally winning the battle , but there is still no rain in the immediate outlook.

State of fires tonight:-

GOING 5
CONTAINED 18
CONTROLLED 86

It is ironic that in the state of Queensland an estimated 62% of the state is flooded due to rainfall and our next state NSW last night received the amount of Rainfall the Melbourne averages in 1 Year!

Just when I thought the news was getting better , it has been announced on the news that a Firefighter has been killed tonight while fighting the fires.

At the moment no further details are available.

10pm Thursday 19.02.2009

The official Bushfire death toll has now reached 208. Thankfully Police  are hopeful that the toll will not increase.

The state of the fires tonight is:
GOING 5
CONTAINED 16
CONTROLLED 89

It has just been announced that the fire has broken containment lines:-

An Urgent Threat Message has been broadcast as at 6.45 pm Thursday 19 February 2009.
The fire in the Mount Riddell sector east of Healesville has spotted over containment lines and is actively burning south of Narbethong in the Dom Dom area. The communities of the Narbethong area may be directly impacted upon by this fire, and have been told to activate their fire plan.
The Government has announced that they will provide funding for businesses in the fire zones who provided supplies to the victims.


Unprecedented SMS Message sent by the Victorian Police to all Mobile Phones.
Unprecedented SMS Message sent by the Victorian Police to all Mobile Phones.

Update Monday 10pm 2nd March 2009

With the fire situation not improving and is still in the situation:-

  • GOING 4
  • CONTAINED 7
  • CONTROLLED 94
  • The fires that are burning have now a perimiter of over 1000 kilometres. and have burnt out over 400000hectares.

With the weather forecast and modelling showing worse conditions than what has now become Black Saturday, the position for Tuesday and Wednesday could develop into a nightmare.
This is what we can expect tomorrow:-

'WIND up to 150km/h threatens to turn Victoria into an inferno just weeks after the state's worst bushfire disaster.

Gale-force wind is forecast to howl from tonight with the mercury tipped to hit the high-30s tomorrow.

It is feared that firebombing aircraft will be grounded due to the strong winds,and the 5000 ground crew will not be able to cope with the fires spotting up to 10-12 km.

"It's going to be a terrible, terrible day," Premier John Brumby said.'

In unprecedented moves the government:-

  • Sent SMS Messages to all Mobile phones (see photo)
  • Closed over 200 schools.
  • Warned residents to activate fire plans and evacuate tonight if in the fire path.
  • Fire Index which peeks at 100 (where 50 is regarded as extreme) has now gone through the roof, and is now showing as 200-300.

If the Authorities plan is to put a scare into everyone the plan is working very well. It is scaring the crap out of me!

Hopefully I will be able to tell you Tuesday night that nothing bad has happened!

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Where the fires are and my place
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      Peter 5 years ago from Australia

      Yeah mate we are hoping for a safer summer but with the amount of rain and the forecasts of more thunderstorms who knows? It is maddening to think that even after all this time there are still people not sorted out. The Government needs to have a really close look at this as something smells off to me!

      I know that your state is not looking all that good for the coming season, so mate take care OK :-)

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      InTuneWithCooking 5 years ago from Australia

      That was a great hub mate, it brought back a lot of memories of that time. Here's hoping for a safe summer this year.

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      Peter 6 years ago from Australia

      Thank you salt for leaving such and insightful comment on this sad and for me 'gut-wrenching' Hub. Even after more than 2 years the memories are still there in my mind of that horrid weekend from Hell.

      Although I was not personally affected by the fires we did have a plan prepared, just in case.

      You are correct, that area was, and will be again, very special. You are also correct in alluding to the unpreparedness of the residents and the Authorities to cope with such a disaster. The Royal Commission bore out all of those misgivings!

      If you recall it cost our Police Commissioner her job. I'm not sure what she could have done but I'm guessing that the Government had to have a scape-goat although her replacement does not appear to be faring any better!

      As you are probably aware even after this length of time there are still families living in temporary accommodation waiting for their houses to be rebuilt!

      I know it is not good to think of fires killing our folks and destroying our beautiful bushland but we must think about the 'positives' as well. Our bushland requires the fires to go through and clear the under-growth and many of the plants/seeds need this heat to germinate and regenerate our precious forests.

      I will close by reiterating your last paragraph:

      "I wish love and healing to all those effected by the fires and I wish all well. I did sit and wish for rain on those days. Blessings to all".

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      salt 6 years ago from australia

      I love the bushland out there. Its quite special. That there was no signage anywhere around King Lake etc about fire levels or number of fires was quite odd to me. I know alot of the locals say they are used to it, yet thats not the point.

      It is not good to think that a fire that destroys beautiful australian bushland can then make this bushland seem unsafe or not ok. If basic safety precautions and basic fire signage etc had been taken, you might find alot of what happened may have been reduced.

      I wish love and healing to all those effected by the fires and I wish all well. I did sit and wish for rain on those days. Blessings to all.

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      Peter 6 years ago from Australia

      d.william, it certainly was a traumatic time for all concerned. The outcome of the Royal Commission was reassuring and some 'heads did roll' from the findings.

      However even after this length of time, it will soon be 2 years, you would think that all of the people would have been resettled by now.

      This has not happened and I am not that impressed with the authorities involved!

      I appreciate you showing your concern and thank you for commenting :-)

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      d.william 6 years ago from Somewhere in the south

      WOW. What a story. Fascinating reading. Very scary. Very sad. thank you so much for recording this event and sharing with us.

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      Peter 7 years ago from Australia

      Wow, That must have been a real scary thing to go through?

      We have very strict rules here on where fireworks factories are permitted to be built. I guess they were not allowed to rebuild again?

      The dangers from our fires are long gone as a matter of fact it has hardly stopped raining all of August (the wettest for 10 years I believe). Water restrictions are being eased. However the results of the Royal Commission held for the Fires saw some heads roll but I fear they were the wrong ones.

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      PaperNotes 7 years ago

      OMG! I knew the feeling of being so close to a fire incident. Few years back, a fireworks/firecrackers warehouse located across our home suddenly exploded. Of course it was a big fire and bang that we actually did not know what to do or where to go when debris from the exploding warehouse flew everywhere and even dropped on our roof. Luckily the explosion and fire was halted before it caused further damage to the neighborhood and left us all safe.

      Thank God that you are safe too.

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      Peter 7 years ago from Australia

      Jane thank you so much for leaving your comment. I also hope that you or anyone else ever have to go through this type of disaster ever again!

      Lets hope that the Royal Commission comes up with some answers and does not just fade off into the sunset.

      I certainly hope that the reading of this Hub has not upset you too much ?

      Thanks for having the courage to leave a comment on how it affected you!

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      Jane Bovary 7 years ago from The Fatal Shore

      Hello agvulpes,

      I'm from Churchill and it was indeed a "visit from hell". I can't ever remember such a stressful day and I hope I never see another one. Even now I get mental visitations of a sky full of flames.

      Cheers

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      Peter 7 years ago from Australia

      Cathi Sutton, it is very caring of you to come back and wonder... Unfortunately things are not moving along as fast as some people might hope. Many houses, businesses,infrastructure have not been repaired to this stage.

      Although the spirit of the people is strong I feel myself that there is such a sense of loss in such a large area it may take a generation to be able to say 'we have moved on' from this disaster. I will seriously consider doing a follow up Hub on this Black Time.

      Thank you again for showing you are caring, it is much appreciated :-)

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      Cathi Sutton 7 years ago

      I came back to read this again, and wonder... how are things at this time for all those effected by these fires?

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      Peter 7 years ago from Australia

      Mystique1957, thank you for your heartfelt best wishes :)

      Fortunately we have now passed the Danger period for this year. There were dire predictions that this summer would be worse then last but, thank God, we have not had a repeat of 2009.

      Al, thank you again for your kind words and best wishes :-)

      May your God be with you and yours!

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      Mystique1957 7 years ago from Caracas-Venezuela

      My friend...

      I truly hope that by the grace of the Great Architect, these fires do not repeat themselves. Beyond the loss of material things is the irreparable loss of lives; humans, animals and Nature. Perhaps people can read between lines and understand that we all can contribute to the betterment of our world weather by doing the appropriate. Especially, those industries responsible for a good amount of global warming!

      May God be with you all!

      Warmest regards and much love, light and blessings,

      Al

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      Peter 7 years ago from Australia

      Cathi, thank you for your kind thoughts. Although it has been 12 months since these horrendous fires the scars are still very apparent. People are still living in temporary accomodation waiting for their home to be build. A friend of mine has just in this last month moved into their rebuilt home! The country side still remains scarred and businesses are still to rebuild :(

      Thank you again for your kind words!

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      Cathi Sutton 7 years ago

      A horrific event! I am stunned by these fires! The devestation must be tremendous! Bless all those who fought these fires, and all those who lost to these fires!

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      lxxy 8 years ago from Beneath, Between, Beyond

      Wonderful journalism for a...hellish day.

      I'm glad Sam is safe!

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      Update Monday 10pm 2nd March 2009

      Our Premier Mr John Brumby has said about tomorrow:-

      "It's going to be a terrible, terrible day."

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      countrywomen, thankyou you very much for you kind thoughts. Unfortunately there is no chance in the near future of any sign of normallity. Even though we have now entered our Autumn, we have been warned that tomorrow (Tuesday 3rd March) will be bringing weather conditions similar to what now has become known as "Black Saturday". Everyone is praying that the forecasters are wrong!

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      countrywomen 8 years ago from Washington, USA

      Agvulpes- That was terrible news and I was watching TV and was remembering about you and other Australians. The sad part is that it seems it could have been a man made mischief rather than a freak natural calamity. I hope those families who lost their family members find solace and those affected are soon returning back to normal life. Thumbs up for highlighting this tragic day.

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      Eric G,  I agree with you because that is precisely what did happen to some of the people.

      On my heroes Hub I pointed out the 4 coppers who carried out the orderly evacuation of the 200 people that had gathered at the Park. Image if the numbers there had been more. It could have been an even bigger disaster.

      We will be hearing a lot more about the time it took for the warnings to get out from when the fires started.

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      Eric Graudins 8 years ago from Australia

      Lissie said:

      "apparently its "impractical" to order the evacuation of 500,000 people in Victoria - I don't see why - probably 90% of them have vehicle for goodness sakes!"

      This would probably make around 200,000 vehicles moving on the roads - many of which are narrow, windy, and unsealed. Certainly not 8 lane highways. And many of which go through the areas where the fires are burning - probably resulting in thousands of deaths in cars that are lined up on the roads with nowhere to go.

      THATS why I believe an evacuation plan would not be practical.

      Cheers, Eric G.

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      Update:-

      10pm Thursday 19.02.2009

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      update:-10pm Tuesday 17.02.2009

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      G'day sixty, yeah mate rain would have been great! It will probably rain at the Wanderers to save your hides! lol

      Do you still get those afternoon thunderstorms! OMG I thought we got them bad enough.

      I can remember about 1973 , we spent Christmas Eve in our station wagon with the 2 kids outside Kruger National Park so we could get in there early next morning. We opened our presents outside the gates and had a great time with the guards! My 2 year old boy at the time had long blonde hair. They were entranced with us mad Aussies!

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      Update10pm Monday 16.02.2009

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      Clive Fagan 8 years ago from South Africa

      Hi Ag your geography is spot on! I agree with TOF, the cricket should have been in Melbourne perhaps it would have rained and help save the day!

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      The Old Firm 8 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand

      Rain stopped play! We should have played in Melbourne, You could do with a bit of rain.

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      mulder 8 years ago from Warnbro Western Australia

      I have a cousin  who is a Doctor at the Alfred  hosptial  in Victoria    she told my Aunty   it was terrible  when  all the burn victims  from the fire came  to the hosptial they were screaming in pain   she said she will never forget it   it brought  me to tears hearing that .

      We live Perth  Western Australia   and  we donated  some money  to the   bush appeal  and our heart and prayers  go out to the brave fire fighters to all the volunteers  and helpers and most  of  to the people of victoria  who have lost their homes and lifes  and loved  ones   in this  terrible  fire  .

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      G'day mate, just heading off for some shut-eye I've just put up an update.

      Your guys are here now to fight the fires and we just beat you at the cricket by 1 run. How much better can it get? Only jokin' thanks for dropping in!

      Update:-

      10pm Sunday 15.02.2009

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      The Old Firm 8 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand

      Hi ag, couldn't drop by for a couple of days, and have just caught up with the comments. How's it looking now? Good Luck.

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      Proud Mom, I appreciate the kind sentiments.

      Life does go on, and Victoria did show it's resilience as many planned wedddings for Valentine's day did go ahead, albeit somewhat somberly.

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      Proud Mom 8 years ago from USA

      And an especially happy Valentine's Day to you, ag.

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      mperangelo and kappa022,

      on behalf of everyone in Victoria I thank you for your prayers and kind thoughts, our brave firefighters are continuing the fight. It is a long way from over.

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      kappa022 8 years ago from Florida

      Wow, my thoughts and prayers go out to you and everyone who has been affected by this horrific tragedy. Thank you for sharing your story.

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      mperangelo 8 years ago from WARWICK

      What a tradgedy --My prayers go out for all who were affected by this horror show.

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      Constant Walker and earnestshub, yes so far today is progressing as the authorities had planned.

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      earnestshub 8 years ago from Melbourne Australia

      Thanks for the dilligent updates agvulpes. It does look better today although the amount of smoke is alarming. I woke to a pink grey smoke filled sky from horizon to Horizon in Melbourne. By lunch time I could see the clear blue sky though the smoke.

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      Constant Walker 8 years ago from Springfield, Oregon

      That's good to hear, eh?

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      Updated10am Saturday  14.02.2009

      I believe today is Valentine's Day.

      I would like to wish all my friends here on HubPages a happy Valentine's ! ;-[)

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      G'day ocbill, thanks for dropping in , I have heard that WA is experiencing their own problems with bushfires.

      G'day Constant Walker, so far this Saturday morning we are having a pretty good day and I'll be putting an update above in the next half an hour.

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      Constant Walker 8 years ago from Springfield, Oregon

      Agvulpes, I know the world is hoping the worst is over there. I haven't been hearing as many reports about the fires recently, are they finally under control?

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      ocbill 8 years ago from hopefully somewhere peaceful and nice

      this was some very sad news. My sister is on the western side of the continent. This must have been horrific for the victims.

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      Sweetiepie, reading back over my replies I do seem to have come across as rude, this certainly was not my intention and I do apologize.

      In an endeavor not to sound too dramatic last night I did not explain myself properly. I understood what you were saying about the manpower.

      In previous firestorms in Victoria this would have been a reasonable expectation.

      In this instance we had firemen who had been fighting fires for more than 20 years reporting back that when they were hosing the fire, the force of the wind and the energy of the fire was forcing the water from the hose back over their heads. The fire was traveling at an estimated 100kph and likened to a Tsunami of flame 50 metres (150feet) high and the radiant heat so high that no human could get closer than 200 metres without an adverse effect. That would have been terrifying. Another point is that in the houses that were burning were cars with petrol and LPG tanks and many houses had large LPG tanks for heating and cooking. These added to the danger by exploding!

      The safety of the fire crews had to be given top priority!

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      Sixty,

      I think I can place that now, is that going towards Kruger National Park and I think the escarpment was called "Gods Window"?

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      earnest the wind outside my place is gusting up to 70kph, but fortunately it is not that bad where the fires are burning. 28 degrees is better than 40degrees but once the fire has started, ambient temperature does not seem to have much effect on the fires, but it does make it more comfortable for the firefighters. I think we should bring in every available Defence Force Member.

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      SweetiePie 8 years ago from Southern California, USA

      I think you misunderstood some of what I was saying earlier about numbers.  Australians from what I hear are experts at fire fighting, but it is much easier to put out fires more quickly when you have more people and more resources. However, this may only be true with our North American fires where having large crews was essential.

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      Clive Fagan 8 years ago from South Africa

      Ag Mphumalanga is the old Eastern Transvaal. the fires were near the Natal border where there are pretty severe winds due to drop in the escarpment near the Drakensburg mountains. The firefighters were local farmers and volunteers. as I said sprarsely populated rural communities. The local government and military were also called out to help. The firebreaks tend to be adequate unless there are really high winds. The worst fires are experienced in the Cape town area and happen every year.

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      G'day sixty, unfortunately you have got the news pretty right although the radio has just announced that there are no towns on ember alert.

      I think anyone who has been through the horror of a bush fire realises just how quickly conditions can change. We also had some people in their cars that could not escape the fires.

      Were the fire fighting capabilities of Mpumulanga as good as they could have been.

      BTW where is Mpumulanga I cannot bring it to memory?

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      earnestshub 8 years ago from Melbourne Australia

      agvulpes, I hope tomorrow will not be too bad, but 28 degrees is hot enough to be a bad one. Good luck everyone. The army is increasing it's numbers in several areas today so hopefully we will have the man force for tomorrow.

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      britney davidson, thanks for dropping in.

      Lissie yes Healseville was saved with a very small wind shift and a lot of brave men on the ground. The easterly wind is not helping the situation at all. Smoke has been blanketing Melbourne all day. Your figures are accurate if not understated. The magnitude of this fire puts Ash Wednesday as a bonfire.

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      Clive Fagan 8 years ago from South Africa

      Ag How goes it? I heard on the news that there are some flair ups and possibly new fires because of the high winds? I hope not! BTW i lived in Mpumulanga and the fires there were horrendous. You cannot outrun a raging fire even in a car. Some people tried and were burnt to death when our fires were raging there. Fortunately that area is realtively sparsely populated, mostly farms so no big news coverage but devasting for those who live there, none the less.

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      Elisabeth Sowerbutts 8 years ago from New Zealand

      Interesting todayHealsville was threatened and a lot more people left immeditately - I think seeing the coverage of Ash Wednesday in 83 what has always made me terrified of bushfires. Latest figures still 181 dead but 1800 homes lost and 7000 people homeless

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      britneydavidson 8 years ago from united kingdom

      this is really too much ....i havnt heard so horrible before.....

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      Rochelle, you are sure correct about getting up close and personal with a wildfire.

      I do understand why people want to stay and protect their property, but they fall into the trap of not knowing when to leave.

      A lot of the people must have believed that they had ample time to escape, but unfortunately the escape route had been blocked by falling trees.

      Thanks Rochelle for your kindness.

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      Rochelle Frank 8 years ago from California Gold Country

      Hope things take a turn for the better soon.

      About you poll, those who say they would stay and fight, probably haven't seen a wildfire up close. I have, and I wouldn't.

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      Update4pm Friday 13.02.2009

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      Update10 am Friday 13.02.2009

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      Lissie you are correct on that couple who defied the council and cut down his trees.

      They were fined and made to meet all council and their own costs.

      Total cost over $100,000 it nearly bankrupted them. They are the only house left standing.

      Sufidreamer I would have done exactly the same, in fact some people did do that and saved their houses!

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      Sixty, Sufidreamer, Sidd, Lissie and Gillsie, thankyou for your support I'm putting up an update as soon as I can.

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      Gillsie 8 years ago from Oregon

      God bless.

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      Sufidreamer 8 years ago from Sparti, Greece

      The trees are a major problem.

      At the back of our house, there is a little church surrounded by large pine trees. The chainsaw was on standby - if the fire reached the next village, they were coming down. If they fell on the church - so be it.

      I love trees, but I was not going to risk losing my home and possessions for them. Sometimes, bureaucracy has to be bypassed by direct action.

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      Elisabeth Sowerbutts 8 years ago from New Zealand

      Just watching the ABC - a fireman said it takes the volunteer rural fire groups 2 years to get approval for a back burn - you can only burn in certain, often rare weather conditions obviously. Another person said a guy was been prosecuted by the local shire because he illegally cut trees down around his house - guess whose house survived -none of the neighbours did. They had video of "before" pics of Marysville ( the town which was totally destroyed) - there were mature large trees around every house - through the town - insane!

      Interesting to see above that SCal has compulsory evacs - apparently its "impractical" to order the evacuation of 500,000 people in Victoria - I don't see why - probably 90% of them have vehicle for goodness sakes!

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      SiddSingh 8 years ago

      Hi Ag,

      Just back to check the updates. Hope you and your family are okay. Just take care and hang on, mate!

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      Sufidreamer 8 years ago from Sparti, Greece

      Lightning and no rain - that is not good. Take care, everybody.

      As you know, there are many Greeks with relatives in Oz, so everybody is praying for you guys. Ordinary Australians sent millions of dollars in aid after the Greek fires and that has not been forgotten - there are many fundraising campaigns here at the moment. Only a small piece of good news, but better than nothing. :)

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      Clive Fagan 8 years ago from South Africa

      Chin up Ag you Aussie lot are great fighters and wil come back from this disasater swinging. I'll have that Fosters for you mate.

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      update 11 pm Thursday 12 02 2009

      Hi guys I have just put a video of images and aussie songs on the top to give you and idea of the ferocity of these fires. The images may be disturbing but the songs will give you an idea of our Aussie spirit.

      We may have been flattened by this holocaust but,  We will wipe the tears from our eyes. We will get off our bums and we will rebuild again.!

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      G'day Sufidreamer, thanks for dropping by, I think you might have raised an interesting point about the air conditioners. I had not even considered that point I believe it would be very valid here as well. Many councils will not approve open fires and any wood burning apparatus must be approved and you can only burn certain types of wood. blah blah blah , the rules just go on and on.

      It is just as easy to install a reverse cylce air con and be done with it!

      Ironically the weather forecast in the fire areas tonight is severe thunderstorms!

      That generally means lots of lightning with very little rain. Keep your fingers crossed!

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      Sufidreamer 8 years ago from Sparti, Greece

      Checking the updates - glad that everybody is still OK. We are having an unbelievable amount of rain, and I wish that we could send you even a tiny amount.

      Interesting points about the prevention of fires - whilst many of the Greek fires were started by arsonists, and propagated by freak weather conditions, the main problem was central heating.

      Even ten years ago, everybody in rural areas used wood stoves for warmth and cooking. Every September, people would go up into the forests and pick up all the dead wood and branches for a year's supply of fuel, cleaning the area completely.

      Now, most people have electricity, so the dead wood is left to build up. Add dry conditions, and land developers with petrol cans and matches, and it is a disaster waiting to happen.

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      G'day Amanda, thanks for your kind caring. Good news on Sam the Koala.

      I have just seen the latest news and an update on Sam is that she is coming along nicely but her poor paws still look red raw.

      Writer Rider thanks for your kind comments and some areas in Vic have received some rain today, but it has not reached the main areas as yet.

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      Writer Rider 8 years ago

      Wow, this is getting worse, best of wishes to you all there. May you get the rain Southern California has been getting.

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      Amanda Severn 8 years ago from UK

      Hi Ag

      I'm glad you're still safe from the fires. I sat and read through all the updates with my daughter last night, and she was very taken with the little koala. I check this hub first every time I log on to see how you are all coping out there.

      All the best.

      Mandy

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      aj thanks for dropping in, things seem to be settled into a consolidation period and hopefully our Firies can get this under control. At the moment there is still 15 fires not being contained.

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      ajcor 8 years ago from NSW. Australia

      Good to hear that you are still ok and lets hope the wind doesn't turn too radically! cheers ag

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      SweetiePie,  I believe that the tragic loss of life was not through lack of manpower but the speed that the fires struck. I hope you realise that we do have a lot of experience in fighting wildfires and warnings were going out all of last week about how bad these fires could get.

      No one could have predicted how ferocious they would strike. Even if they did people would still not have left their homes.

      We do not have mandatory evacuation in Victoria, I believe that will be revisited in the Royal Commission that has being established.

      I agree with you about staying if we are threatened we will be gone from here like a shot. We do have a good staging point within a few minutes walk.

      I'm glad your dad was able to save his house, and we have stories coming out that some people have done the same here, I still think I would rather leave early than too late!  Where do you draw the line?

       

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      G'day Chris it has been a reasonable day in the hills but unfortunatly over the last half hour reports are coming through that the winds have changed and strengthened.

      We are collectively holding our breath to see what's is going to happen over night. It is now 5.30 pm.

      If you have not seen the full video I have put a link in the updates above, and the report is that Sam is doing well and has even got herself a boyfriend. There are many heartwarming stories starting to come out of the monsterous horror that we have witnessed. I do appreciate your well wishes.

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      SweetiePie 8 years ago from Southern California, USA

      I did not realize dense population in the fire areas, but that was actually a similar problem here.  I thought because you have a smaller population than the entire state of California man-power might have been more of a problem for doing water drops and the like because we had in state and out of state firefighters during the debacle here. We even had firefighters from Canada that came in to help with the firestorms because it was that widespread and out of control. I am sorry to hear about people not being able to get away during the evacuations.  My mom actually left when there was a mandatory evacuation for the fire near their house in 2007, but my dad refused to go and some of the neighbors stayed too.  I think it is almost insane to stay behind and fight the fire with garden hoses in that situation, but they really wanted to do that, and were able to save their homes because there was no way the firefighters could have got there in time.  Everyone was spread so thin during the first days of the fires.

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      Gwendymom, that is correct all the fires in our general vicinity are well contained, and we have not been in any danger for a few days. We are lucky that all the fires likely to cause any damage to our property are well in the distance.

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      Christoph Reilly 8 years ago from St. Louis

      Hi Ag: Glad you're Ok and there has been a bit of a respite. I saw the story of Sam the Koala here on TV--very heartwarming. Anything heartwarming during this time is helpful, I guess. Godspeed!

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      gwendymom 8 years ago from Oklahoma

      So I guess it looks like the fires closest to you are contained, I hope I saw that right. If you are not in any iminent danger that is good. I feel for the rest of your countrymen, it's a terrible tragedy. I hope they get the fires out soon, and that the Jackasses who did it. Ag, again thanks for your concern, I really do apprecite you, you sweetheart!

      I have to get to bed now, I am about to pass out and I think I have a long day ahead of me again. Good night, and sweet dreams. Keep safe.

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      gwendymom its a relief to hear that you are OK.

      Some people just can't except that it mother natures way of keeping the earth clean and regenerating new growth. Some species require fire to get germination for their seeds.

      I appreciate you concern as well. the winds are freshening and Victoria could be in for a bad night!

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      SweetiePie,

      You are right about the trees being a problem. In Victoria if you want to clear a tree you have to apply to the local council to fell any native tree over a certain size ( I think it is 6'' in diameter) at a cost of $90 per tree (last time I checked) plus the cost of felling . Most councils have a register for "Trees of Note" and anyone can register a tree it does not matter where it is. and that tree is protected forever.

      Our water supply is very low at the moment (30%) with no significant rain this year. Yet Queensland is flooded! crazy weather! While I am writing this we are having a hail storm, not enough though!

      Most dams on the farms have dried up and most of the water being used on the fires would be our cities precious drinking water.

      Unfortunately SweetiePie even though our country is wide it was because the people in the fires were closely populated and access is limited that they could not escape even with warnings.

      Thanks for your wellwishes

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      gwendymom 8 years ago from Oklahoma

      Ag, I am ok and doing well. I hope that you are too, How sweet of you to be thinking about me at a time like this when you are surrounded by fire and mayhem.

      I was rading your comments and saw the part where you said that a religious group had blamed the fires as being Gods wrath for abortion. We had wildfires here and in the teaxs panhandle a few years back and it seemed like everything was burning up. My bosses sister blamed it on the wrath of God for a democrat being the governor. Some people are just crazy.

      Anyway I hope you can get reasted, I am sure you need it, and thanks for taking the time to keep us updated, it's really appreciated.

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      SweetiePie 8 years ago from Southern California, USA

      Agvulpes,

      Much of our countryside is similar to parts of Australia, or so I have been told from people that live there.  Not exactly the same, but some of the pictures I took up in the mountains a friend told me looked like parts of Australia. We also have the same problems with fire fighters setting back fires that have often created worse fires. One of the biggest problems we had in the past was the home owner's associations not allowing people to clear trees and brush near their homes, which resulted in many houses going up in flames. The houses with more manageable brush often survived the fires, whereas the houses with brush right next door were consumed. My dad and his neighbors used garden hoses to put out fire that was less than hundred yards away, so we can relate with what you are going through. It sounds like in Australia though everything is farther spread out and you do not have as much man power and access to lakes to keep doing water drops. That was critical in putting out fires here.  

      I hope things get better there soon because fires are horrible.

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      MM, as gruesome as it sounds it looks like one of our big problem will be identifing the unfortunate deceased. The Authorities are saying it may take up to 12 months to carry out this task!

      Do you know if gwendymom is OK , I heard that a Tornado ripped through Oklahoma today? and she has not posted for a while?

      We are probably equi-distant from the equator in different hemispheres, so we have similar climes at opposite times in the year. We hear about your wildfires in the depth of our winter.

      I am looking forward to getting smashed on Fosters or what ever is around when all this is over!

      We all appreciate everyones prayers.

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      Susan Reid 8 years ago from Where Left is Right, CA

      Hi Ag et al down under, It's comforting to see you're still hanging in there and thanks for keeping us all apprised of happenings. I have not heard this, but would hope that our CDF experts would come over to help. Yes, California is infamous for wildfires. Both in So Cal where SweetiePie and GoldenToad live and up closer to me, in Tahoe area. Dry conditions, wind and trees too close to houses -- recipe for fire disaster.

      I'll raise an imaginary Fosters to you, dear friend. And will check here to see if they are collecting donations (non monetary) for the victims. Praying for you and your countrymen/women. MM

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      SweetiePie, thanks for dropping in and contributing to the discussion.

      As we speak the police have two men in custudy, "helping with their investigations" as they say. They were not caught lighting fires but at this stage all the police will tell us is that the men were loitering.

      It is hard for us normal people to imagine what goes through these lunatics minds when they would know full well that they are putting peoples welfare in danger.

      I have been told that your California country side is very similar to ours?

      We have those huge Sky Crane Helicopters (5?) and many smaller helicopters and aeroplanes fighting our wildfires . But I believe that they were very limited in there use on Saturday due to the extreme wind and dangerous conditions.

      Thanks again SweetiePie

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      TOF and earnest, strange coincidence as I was catching up on you comments ABC radio was interviewing a Professor from the RMIT on this very subject.

      He comments in summary was that although it would be expensive it is a practical project with the proper design. The air being sucked out problem is handled by making the module airtight as TOF suggests, and building in oxygen containers to last a period of about an hour to give the wildfire time to pass similar to Tornados.

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      SweetiePie 8 years ago from Southern California, USA

      We had this same problem in October 2003 and October 2007 here in Southern California. Sadly one of the fires in October 2003 was set by a lunatic such as the ones you described in your hub. The Panorama Fire in our area back in 1980 was believed to have been set by a human, but this person was never found. Do you have the big super scooper water planes such as the ones the Canadians lend Southern California during fire season? Those have been very helpful in fighting our extreme fires in a place which is very dry and brushy.

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      The Old Firm 8 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand

      earnistshub, A fire shelter as you suggested should work, but only if you can make it totally airtight for the period that the fire is passing over, otherwise air will be sucked from the room, suffocating the occupants. This principle was used against the Vietcong in 'Nam with the napalm bombing, to suffocate them in their tunnels.

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      Update above:-2 pm Thursday 12.02.2009

      includes video of Sam the Koala

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      earnestshub 8 years ago from Melbourne Australia

      When I was firefighting around Noojee area we did a lot of back-burning and reduction burning. A lot of it was not popular with local bushmen. The death of all the animals that get caught in reduction burning is a horrible site that I have witnessed many times, and the reduction is not very effective against the main causes of bushfires. You can't clean the forests of fuel. At least not in the forests I was bought up in. If you can get a burn going in the big tree country it is a fine line between a bushfire and reduction burning as it is usually too wet to burn or too dry to light safely. The locals often understand this, the university trained forestry officers I saw when working for the then state forestry commission often started fires because they had never seen active bush fires and their many dangerous quirks.

      Lightning strikes are usually manageable and are searched for daily in the summer when there is lightning. We have lookout towers on all the highest vantage points and these are manned by fire spotters with powerful binoculars.Modern firefighting aircraft can stop these fires if they are seen in time.

      Many of the worst fires are lit by fire bugs. These lunatics start fires in extreme temperatures when winds are blowing at 60kph and anything that can burn will.These fires are often started in dry pastures and by time they reach the bush they are hot enough to fuel from the trees and reduction burning would have little effect on stopping these fires. I feel these people will be severely punished when caught and will in the case of several fires be rightly charged with murder.

      I have seen a whole forest burnt out by so called reduction burning insisted upon by our city born chief forestry officer. I do see the sense in the burning and clean ups that need to be done around communities and individual houses, but it always has a cost to the environment.The main thing that people need is individual fire shelters in their homes. Agvulpes suggested digging a big whole pouring concrete walls with a fire-proof top that can be pulled closed. I think this or something similar will need to be incorporated in each rebuilt home.

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      The Old Firm 8 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand

      Fosters? God you Must be desperate.

      Oh, sorry, you're Victorian, you actually LIKE the stuff!

      Cheers.

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      LOL with TOF.

      At this stage we will take anything.

      Btw.  just heard on the radio that a "religious" group has blamed this catastrophe on the Victorian Government passing the "abortion bill " last year. Gods way of paying us back. Hmmmmm.

      btw 2 A nice cold Fosters would go down reallll well!

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      The Old Firm 8 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand

      Not silver ferns on BT, more like wooden stakes or silver bullets!(I wouldn't let a Silver Fern [capitals] within a bull's roar of BT, they're long legged netball players. He'd think he'd died and gone to heaven!)

      Whatever we can do to help ag, if a Haka works like a rain dance I reckon they'll give it a go.

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      Eric, I agree with everything you say, sometimes you do have to protect people from themselves.

      It is logical to people like you and me that the more fuel you put on a fire the longer and stronger it will burn. Fan it with 100kph winds and you have the Perfect Wildfire. (I'm using the term wildfire as I've been told that the term "bushfire" is not understood by many people).

      With regard to the width of a fire break here are some sobering figures of fire spotting. (crown jumping)

      Average bushfire .....short distance spotting 50-100m / long distance   1-2km

      This wildfire.............short distance spotting  1-2KM    / long distance  15 KM.

      It defies the imagination!

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      Peter 8 years ago from Australia

      fatactress. Have no fear, as I have said many times. You do not need have any fears for me, I am a devout coward and if the fire becomes a threat to me and mine, we will be gone.

      TOF what big knives.?  I thought they were silver ferns you were using?

      Thanks for your fire fighters, they are into the thick of it. I think they were going to do a Haka in front of the fire. LOL

       

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      Eric Graudins 8 years ago from Australia

      @Lissie.

      You're dead right about the policy of the reduction of back burning.

      The Stretton Royal Commissions into previous victorian bushfire disasters in 1939 and 1944 both recommended more fuel reduction burns.

      Many other experts have recommended that this take place, but these opinions were ignored in favour of the desire to have as much greenery as possible.

      Instead of a Royal commission onto the cause of the fires, why not an enquiry into why the constant recommendations for fuel reduction burns have been ignored?

      Of course, such reduction burns would not eliminate bushfires. But by my limited understanding of such things, the intensity of such fires would be greatly reduced.

      I really hope that the predictions of fires merging and flaring up again are wrong.

      And AG - when you toss that coin, I hope that you come up with the right decision mate.

      re your recent update: a bulldozed fire break won't be much good unless it's V--E--R--Y wide. In a crown fire, flames can leap hundreds of metres from treetop to treetop.

      Eric G.

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      The Old Firm 8 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand

      I thought you might ag.

      I've read your update, sounds like a much needed respite. As I said to BT months back, we're behind you all the way, (but this time without the big knives!)

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      fatactress 8 years ago from here

      get the hell out!!!!