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Poetry of MEN - Rizal & Raleigh

Updated on August 25, 2016

Men and Poetry

Despite what women may think of us, we uncouth rough men have our sensitivities. We may like the odd rough sport, but as the years progress, we tend to avoid even the occasional punch up and our tastes become more mellow. In fact at times, when the wind is just right, the muse comes upon us and we even indulge in poetry. Yes, I know, difficult to believe, but strangely true.

But there is a distinction though. We like our poetry to be written by manly men, not men who are inclined to speak of their flowers and of their love in the same verse.

You are my flower
you are my first blossom
blossoming love
you are my love

by Allen Steble, simply does not do it for us, Allen.

Nor are we impressed by crudeness, so supposed “poetry” about bodily functions we consider beneath contempt and we want nothing to do with them, despite some members of our sex thinking that it is the manly thing to do.

Tennyson & Family
Tennyson & Family

Tennyson

Though Alfred Lord Tennyson was not what you would call a tough guy, we like him because he wrote for men and he had a sense of humour as well as a quick turn of phrase. Though as the Poet Laureate he was paid to dish out the stuff by the truck load and was expected to please all and sundry, he also knew how to write for men. When Mariana says

My life is dreary,

He cometh not,

she speaks to us, because we know that she is waiting for us, not for the guy who writes about the regularity of his lavatory functions on a Sunday. When -

Her tears fell with the dews at even;

Her tears fell ere the dews were dried;

we want to offer our shoulder to her to cry on and it’s a pretty close thing to be almost tempted to pat her on the back and say “there, there…”

And sometimes thro’ the mirror blue

The knights come riding two and two:

She hath no loyal knight and true,

again, we feel that we are one of the two knights and want to do our bit for The Lady of Shalott.

We know that old Fred is one of us when he writes The Princess, a poem about Princess Ida who has a strong aversion to men (!) and creates a university exclusively for maidens (!) apparently also that way inclined (!), in a remote retreat.

Her father, King Gama, obviously a clueless klutz without an ounce of male imagination, explains that she “refuses to have anything to do with the world of men (!) and is influenced by other women, Lady Blanche and Lady Psyche, who have all resolved never to wed a man (!)”. Way to go Fred!

Come on boys, which one of us doesn't know what’s going on here and is old Fred one of us or is he not?

Whatever thoughts one may harbour about the Manliness of Tennyson’s poetry, his “Charge of the Light Brigade” is enough to erase any doubters.

‘Forward, the Light Brigade!’

Was there a man dismayed?

Not tho’ the soldier knew

Some one had blundered:

Their’s not to make reply,

Their’s not to reason why,

Their’s but to do and die:

Into the valley of Death

Rode the six hundred.

...

When can their glory fade?

O the wild charge they made!

All the world wondered.

Honour the charge they made!

Honour the Light Brigade,

Noble six hundred!

Now why the fuck am I crying like a wimp? In a fertile life full of children, I have never been able to tell a bedtime story about the six hundred of the Light Brigade or about the three hundred Spartans, period. I would start and my eyes would fill up long before the punch line. Is it a wonder my children became nervous wrecks?

The problem for us men, ladies, is that we men of steel are in reality sensitive creatures that you can manipulate to your hearts’ content if only you would shut up once in a while, pay attention, and implement what you observe. Luckily for us, you never do and once we have you under our spell, you are done for you poor chumps. Every time I hear you talk about the chills going down your spine whenever your stud “looks” at you, a smile of supreme satisfaction can be seen decorating my lips, because ladies, OUR spine does not feel any chills at all. Ever!

Anyway, back to our subject matter. Old Fred was writing from the safety of his armchair, using his imagination and his talent. But there are two men for whom poetry was incidental to their lives and was simply a way of expressing their feelings and beliefs but whose poetry epitomises Absolute Manhood. Their lives had many similarities in their character, their daring, their sense of adventure and their poetry. Even their lives ended the same way, by execution.

They were, Sir Walter Raleigh and Dr Jose Rizal. One was an English knight, the other a Filipino national hero and they were unquestionably, brothers in spirit.

Now see the difference between our old friend Tennyson, writing from the comfort of his armchair for a tidy sum and the security that goes with the position of the Poet Laureate and these two men. Let us first take Raleigh.

Raleigh

Sir Walter Raleigh

(c. 1552 – 29 October 1618)

He lived at a time when the church and the court were everything. They were all powerful in fact. Yet have a look at one of his most moving poems:

The Lie

Go, soul, the body's guest,
Upon a thankless errand;

He knows that no one will appreciate what he is going to say here and the soul being the body’s guest is to show that life is temporary and we are all going to die anyway


Fear not to touch the best;
The truth shall be thy warrant
:

He is, in fact saying that he IS going to touch the highest in the land!


Go, since I needs must die,
And give the world the lie.

I know that I shall die for this, he is saying, but tell the bastards what I think of them anyway


Say to the court it glows
And shines like rotten wood,

Now is he asking for trouble, or not? Saying something like this at a time when the court was all powerful? Calling them ROTTEN??? Does this take guts, or what?


Say to the church it shows
What's good, and doth no good:

So that there is no misunderstanding about his intentions, he gives the second barrel to the second MOST POWERFUL entity in the land, not known for its Christian charity or reserve when the necessity of silencing the opposition arises.


If church and court reply,
Then give them both the lie.

In other words, if they dare deny what he is saying, call them bare faced liars! And he goes on to take on one by one the ills and the ill doers of his day and gives it to them one after the other. I don’t want to give the full poem here, just to goat your interest to read more. And not a word anywhere about bodily functions, mind you.

WHAT A MAN! Is it a wonder King James I chopped his head off at the first excuse?

Rizal

Dr. Jose Rizal

(June 19, 1861 – December 30, 1896)

Even so, Raleigh’s adventures and whatever successes he had as an adventurer he enjoyed with the full backing of the English Crown.

Jose Rizal on the other hand was alone, standing up to the then all powerful Spanish Empire for the things he believed in. When writing about Rizal, I have the urge to use capital letters when calling him a MAN!

This Man’s MAN, was from a wealthy Filipino family which lovingly invested in their son’s education by sending him to study in Europe. And he was an all rounder in every sense of the word. Not only did he study and become an ophthalmic surgeon, he obtained degrees from three different European universities (Spanish, French and German). Over and above his medical studies, he was a student of everything available to him at the time. If you name it, he was involved in it.

Speaking ten languages, he was an expert swordsman (well known enough to receive a written apology from a Spaniard who was unwise enough to offend him and whom Rizal challenged to a duel as a result), an excellent pistol shot, was a student of martial arts, a painter, an author, a poet, an educator, a farmer, a sociologist, a sculptor and he even found time to become a member of the Freemasons.

This young man from what at the time was a deprived Spanish colony, managed to capture the hearts of all Europeans who came into contact with him. Men admired him and befriended him, women slept with him and chased after him when he moved on.

So why did the Spaniards sentenced him to death and killed him? Work it out for yourself:

Kundiman

Truly hushed today
Are my tongue and heart
Harm is discerned by love
And joy flies away,
'Cause the Country was
Vanquished and did yield
Through the negligence
Of the one who led.

But the sun will return to dawn;
In spite of everything
Subdued people
Will be liberated;
The Filipino name
Will return perhaps
And again become
In vogue in the world.

We shall shed
Blood and it shall flood
Only to emancipate
The native land;
While the designated time
Does not come,
Love will rest
And anxiety will sleep.

See what I mean? Lucky are his countrymen to count him amongst themselves. I want to be a Filipino!

May this Great MAN rest in peace.


Dimitris Mita

De Greek

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My thanks to:

Cris A http://hubpages.com/hub/Our-man-De-Greek-confesses

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      De Greek 5 years ago from UK

      How kind. Thank you :-)

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      Twilight Lawns 5 years ago from Norbury-sur-Mer, Surrey, England. U.K.

      I don;t know what is the matter with me. I have seen your name when you have commented on so many hubs, and yet this is the first time I have really experienced your splendid writing.

      Loved it. Excellent writing my compatriot.

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      De Greek 7 years ago from UK

      -@- SilentReed, belated thanks for your visit and comment :-)

      -@- gg.zaino, you are kind, thank you :-)

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      greg g zaino 7 years ago from L'America- Big Pine Key, Florida

      Well Done De Greek! Informative hub that taught this student of history and letters something. Thank you for the write, and your passion! ... great hub, voted 'UP'

      b@peace

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      SilentReed 7 years ago from Philippines

      I completely agree with you.We should give recognition

      to those who deserve it. Unfortunately history is written

      by the victors.

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      De Greek 7 years ago from UK

      SilentReed, there is no doubt in my mind that Bonifacio was a great hero. As there is no doubt in my mind that Rizal was the same. Let us respect the sacrifices of two truly great men and if we disagree on some points, it is not a reason to try to reduce the importance of either man to prove a point.

      As to the mentality of colonialists, it is the same whatever their nationality, so why belabour the point?

      Finally, I have often spoken of the unique character of the wonderful Filipino people for whom loyalty is a national trait. The election of Ninoy's son is just another proof of this wonderful characteristic, but there are people who will try to take advantage of it at times ... :D

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      SilentReed 7 years ago from Philippines

      Rizal was a reformist.he did not believe that the people where ready for self-goverment.He placed more emphasize on education as can be seen during his exile in Dapitan.

      Unlike Bonifacio who like in the poem "charge of the light brigade"led the Katipuneros arm only with bolos and bamboo spears into the "valley of death" with Spain.

      Witness how third world countries gain their independence

      from their former colonial masters.It tends to be bloody.After 300 years of rule,would Spain have voluntarily relinquish the Philippines if she did not lost the american-spanish war? When the United States took over from Spain as the new "Administrators"of the islands,there were still sporadic outbreaks.Freedom fighters were branded as common bandits and criminals.

      Could you imagine the americans allowing Bonifacio and not Rizal to be the national Hero? In your stay in Manila,have you seen any rally where the rallying point was Rizal or his books being held high?:-)

      It is Ninoy Aquino not his son whom I meant as the hero.

      The filipinos have what they call"utang na loob"(debt of gratitude)the son won partly because of this sense of gratitude of the filipinos to the father who many consider a hero.

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      De Greek 7 years ago from UK

      SilentReed I am very happy to come across someone who knows Clausewitz & Sun Tzu!

      - There is no doubt that the charge of the light brigate was a brutal error and was not based on any logical military strategy and you will not find such strategy in the works of Clausewitz & Sun Tzu. This however does not detract from the bravery of the men who took part.

      - San Tzu for one would never have allowed himself to be in that position. His meticulous preparation for everything (including spying) gave rise to his theory that the war should be won before the sword is drawn.

      - Rizal is not defined by the act of his death, but by teh consistent preparation, inspiration and encouragement of his compatriots to fight the Spanish Yoke (not the Ameicans as you state, by the way).

      - Let's face it, Ninoy Aquino did not expect to be killed. Arressted at worst.His murder was a huge blander by Marcos.

      - I was in Manila when the Marcos' were deposed and I know first hand what hapenned.

      - A son to be elected by default? I am not sure that this is definition of a hero :-)

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      SilentReed 7 years ago from Philippines

      The story behind the poem"Charge of the light brigade" is one bloody massacre base on conventional war tactics of proponents like Clausewitz. Sun tzu would have preferred the indirect attack rather than a frontal assault. Still one has to admire courage.

      Rizal obviously didn't lack courage.To be able to write his"Mi ultimo adios" the night before he calmly went to meet his death in front of a firing squad takes nerves of steel. As a man of many talents he is truely a renaissance man. But is it enough to qualify him as the national hero?The americans who were the colonial rulers of the Phlippines at that time didn't want Andres Bonifacio.Too radical.

      Ninoy Aquino return after 3 years of exile, despite warnings about attempts on his life or that he would be return to the jail where he spent 7 years as a political detainee. The words he spoke"the filipino is worth dying for" and the brutal way he died spark the conscience of a people.

      Led by his wife Cory,the Marcos regime finally fell in a peaceful non-violent revolt admired and emulated in many parts of the world. 27 years later on June 30 of this year,his son Benigno"Nonoy" Aquino will be sworn in as the 15th president of the Philippines. Elected by an overwhelming margin of 6 million votes partly because of the legacy left by his parents to a grateful nation.

      A clear validation of the term "HERO",not through an act of congress but by the voice of the people.

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       7 years ago

      Just read this and you may get an idea:

      https://hubpages.com/literature/Advice-to-Youth-1

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      Pam Roberson 7 years ago from Virginia

      Oops! My excitement made me post twice!

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      Pam Roberson 7 years ago from Virginia

      ROFL! You give me too much material to work with! Oh I am definitely your slave! Did you see my car parked outside of your building last night? ;) lol!

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      De Greek 7 years ago from UK

      Pam, thank you for taking the time to read this.

      And God knew what he was doing when he designed men and women. If you women were not so feeling, we would have been your slaves and you would have taken advantage of us men. As it is, once we get into your peculiar minds, and you start feeling those chills, you are done for. You have no shame, you chase after us, you drive around our street, you park outside our office looking at the building we are in for God's sake (!) and in general become dust beneath our iron heel...

      I don’t think that any man of experience feels but one thing is certain: The De Greeks certainly don’t :-)))

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      Pam Roberson 7 years ago from Virginia

      Oh my! My man of steel has done it again! I have nothing to say except I love this, but I'm also shocked to know that men feel no chills up or down their spines! I never knew this, but I'll take your word for it. :)

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      De Greek 7 years ago from UK

      How kind you are Rebekah. I do not pretent to be a poet or even poeticallyy inclined, but some people of both sexes have the knack to capture our attention. Thankl you for visiting:-)

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      rebekahELLE 7 years ago from Tampa Bay

      it's nice to see a hub written by a man about male poets or should I say about men who write poetry? obviously there are physical differences between male and female, but the soul has no gender. it just is. I enjoy how you have captured the soul of these men in their writing.

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      De Greek 7 years ago from UK

      Since everyone has his/her opinion on teh subject, I thought that I might be allowed to have one as well! :-))

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      Audrey Kirchner 7 years ago from Central Oregon

      Holy cow - lots of debate over real men. I always figure a 'real man' reveals his true self so to speak by his actions and how he carries himself through life. The real article doesn't need to prove himself or his philosophies though in his own way he can be an independent thinker and doer and thereby bring about much change. Interesting ideas though and even more interesting all the dialogue!

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      De Greek 7 years ago from UK

      I shall gladly bow to your superior knowledge, because the matter is of absolutely no importance to me at all.

      And unfortunately, I am not a movie fan :-)

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      Petra Vlah 7 years ago from Los Angeles

      Whitout getting into a controversy, I am sure you remember Sorkin’s movie “A few good men” and its famous line: “you want the truth? You can’t handle the truth”…

      Since your comment (to my comment) was more of a statement than a question I suppose all this does not apply unless you will concede that “good men” may get chills without loosing their manhood.

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      De Greek 7 years ago from UK

      What would the world be without us "few good men" Petra!

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      Petra Vlah 7 years ago from Los Angeles

      Chills or not, there are still “a few good men” around.

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      Nellieanna Hay 7 years ago from TEXAS

      You're the expert, so of course not.;)

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      De Greek 7 years ago from UK

      The De Greeks do not flirt, Angel FAce! :-))

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      Nellieanna Hay 7 years ago from TEXAS

      What I think is that YOU will do as you choose and/or as it suits your purposes - which is surely the mark of a man, whether he is cultured or rednecked. Sometimes perhaps one or the other in the same man!

      Without a doubt, your comments are always provocative, entertaining, informative and a barrel of fun! My stuff WILL do for me, however. And that matters to me!

      When you're off courting others I will have my own stuff to provoke, entertain, inform and barrel along being fun all by myself or with others who may need an occasional respite from the intensity of your genius and cleverness!! ;)

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      De Greek 7 years ago from UK

      Ahhh... Angel Face, tu emus propatulus janua, as the lawyers say. You have openned the door to so many things that bear discussion.

      1.- A man who systematically wears a pink dress and pink high heels, may technically be a man, but does not, one presumes, feel like one and presumably does not want to be treated as a typical man. Ergo, the term REAL man could not possibly be an oxymoron under these circumstances, and your "simple point" is spoken through your otherwise charming hat... :-))

      2.- It is true that rednecks are considered to be macho men in some circles and when THEY protest too much you may have a point there, but the rest of us simple folk, who believe in consenting adults' right to do as they wish, assuredly it does not apply. And when an accusation of this nature might be unjustly cast in our direction, we have the confidence to smile with tolerance and move on :-))

      3.- And there IS such a think as a POETIC turn of phrase, regularly used by authors of our callibre and Shakespeare for one springs to mind :-)

      4.- You appear to have been aware that Sir Walter wrote poety and this is to your credit, because few people are familiar with this detail.

      5.- We great authors need to be adored and girlish excuses about being absorbed with your own stuff will not do! :-)

      I LOVE LITERARY ARGUMENTS!!! :-)))

      I am thinking of writing about man's two best friends next, meaning Womens' Breasts. What do you think?

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      poetlorraine 7 years ago

      enjoying your work, nice hub

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      Nellieanna Hay 7 years ago from TEXAS

      Ah sigh. As sometimes happens, my beloved DG misreads me.

      The term "real man" is silly only because it's an oxymoron. A MAN is a man. That's my simple point.

      The term MAN is a strong noun. No adjectives are needed to improve its actuality. Merely gild the lily. Most of us are aware that macho persons protesting too much raise questions rather than stating facts.

      I fully recognize the magnificence of these men and of your admiration for them! As you so aptly stated it later on - they show their character by how they "act' (effective VERB)- or the ways they demeonstrate it, not by needing to be presented as "real". Of course they're real. Real can be applied to scoundrels too. A man who is all you admire is simply - a MAN by his own demonstration! What else? It SHOWS.

      I'm so pleased that you've shared it!

      In fact, you've reminded me of Sir Walter & introduced me to Dr. Rizal! Very welcomed! Men such as these inevitably demonstrate their actuality. Couth or not is merely window dressing.

      A slight delay in adding my accolades is a mere oversight on my part. I'm NEVER too absorbed with my own stuff to fail to embrace yours! You knew I did!!

      A wonderful hub, surely one of your very best!! More, more!! We all suffer when you're dormant!!

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      De Greek 7 years ago

      Ladyjane, I don't know who John O'Hurley is, but if he had a high pitched, histerical and uncontrolled way of delivering his lines, then he is a spitting image of me!

      Good to see you again :-)))

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      De Greek 7 years ago

      My Dear Melinda

      1.- It was Marco's job to do all those things you mention. He did not pay for them out of his own pocket, but with the taxes of teh Filipino people.

      2.- Imagine how much more he could have done if he had not been a thief

      3.- Your loyalty to the Marcos family is proof of the LOYALTY which characterises the Filipino psyche and of which I have spoken many times. Regrettably, unscruptulous men take advantage of this.

      4.- The investment link is a joke about buying donkeys in India, in order to compete with Goolge's financial power - http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Hillfolk-of-Kandbari-A

      :-)))

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      ladyjane1 7 years ago from Texas

      Great hub once again. I didn't know about this philipino but he seemed like a great man. You know off subject, I like to read your hubs because the voice I place to your face is John O Hurley and it is quite entertaining. If you ever heard him talk you would know what I mean. Cheers.

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      msorensson 7 years ago

      Hello,De Greek,

      I was already in Honolulu when they fled to Honolulu. I saw Madame at the Ala Moana Mall. She was still beautiful as I remembered, when I saw her. Of course she would not have remembered me.

      I actually met them when I was really little. They were at the Park we were visiting one day.

      In all fairness, De Greek, even acknowledging that they amassed a lot of wealth while in power, they also did good things.

      Built the Heart Center, one of the best in ALL of Asia

      Built the Highway from one end of Luzon to the next

      Built the Cultural Center

      Established a school for musically gifted children

      Established another University.

      Of course, I am a minority in this, De Greek. All others see how much money they had when they left.

      And no, I did not see the investment link...

      Please do email it to me via hubpages.

      Thanks so much..

      Your fan, Melinda [smiles]

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      Zsuzsy Bee 7 years ago from Ontario/Canada

      As always I seem to fall on my "ass" when it comes to business deals...

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      De Greek 7 years ago from UK

      Zsuzsy, regrettably the shares are over subscribed and the book is now closed. I think that it is all for the best as far as you are concerned though, becasue we have had to hire professional guards to look after us, as we uspect that Google's jealousy at our potential is boundless and we hear that hired assassins are now after us. :-)

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      Zsuzsy Bee 7 years ago from Ontario/Canada

      Unfortunately most poetry goes over my head... I'm more for saying it as it is rather than speaking in symbolisms. Same as I don't particularly like to wait for the fish to bite I don't really enjoy fishing for meanings in spoken or written words.

      However on that note this is a another great hub and you never disappoint.

      Count me in on that business deal...I'm all for rivaling Google's income.

      Kindest regards to you and 'de wife'

      Zsuzsy

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      Cris A 7 years ago from Manila, Philippines

      Oh to you, because you know the man so well. But to a perfect stranger to his manliness..."a heart for you beats high" is "a heart for you beats high". Haha

      Are they green? Anyway, green is a derivative of blue. :D

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      De Greek 7 years ago from UK

      "Don't forget that on these shores

      A heart for you beats high."

      Come ON, Cris!!! Be fair! He just wanted to get his leg over the Irish crumpet Josephine Bracken. Any man who knows women knows what chumps they are for flowery poetry. He was no different from the rest of us when the inclination was there. When he had his fill, he again also behaved like the rest of us.

      For example, the Belgian Suzanna Thill wrote to him “Don’t delay too long writing us because I wear out the soles of my shoes for running to the mailbox to see if there is a letter from you”. Typical man who had enough!!! :-))))

      And it is Green-Eyed Brother if you don't mind! :-))

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      Cris A 7 years ago from Manila, Philippines

      Indeed, if I'm to talk about good men and poetry, not necessarily poets, your name wouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Mr Steble's or mine for that matter (Haha). It'd be sandwiched between Sir Raleigh and Pepe's. Haha But that said...

      Rizal did have a Stebel-esque soft side, specially when writing letters to or poems for his women, the mother country aside.

      "Don't forget that on these shores

      A heart for you beats high."

      Now I mentioned this to suggest that Rizal used his pen as weapon to win all sorts of wars he engaged in.

      Great read, my friend. Show this hub to the nearest Philippine embassy and you'd surely be given an honorary Filipino citizenship if not a key to Malacanang. We Filipinos are easily amused by balut-eating blue-eyed brothers (which I myself frown at, ie the balut) so what more if they say they want to be one of us!

      And here's a link to a good Rizal movie (1st of 17), with subtitles, that you might find most interesting. If you haven't seen it that is.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PoMrRb_ocQ

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      De Greek 7 years ago from UK

      Melinda, did you notice the great investment oportunity in donkeys at the link shown above? Can we entice you to show the proper interest?

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      De Greek 7 years ago from UK

      Melinda, I am guessing that you are referring to the rallies against Marcos. I was in Hong Kong on the day Manila airport was closed when the rallies reached their peak and I took the last Philippine Airlines flight into Manila, though the officials warned us that there was a possibility of the plane being shot down by the air force, which was a stupid claim in retrospect. I had a wife and children in Manila and I wanted to be with them, whatever happened. What an atmosphere! What courage! What cooperation between the people!

      Thousands would move from one spot to the other as needed, on the simple request by a friendly radio station that managed to stay open.

      And then Marcos and Imelda taking the flight out of the country with their cronies and people flooding into Malacañan Palace…. Where you there?

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      De Greek 7 years ago from UK

      No Angel Face, you have not mentioned that you love this hub and though the De Greeks are men of sensibility and refinement, in occasional black moments of unmanly weakness they may still feel unwanted and unloved when the expected praise is not forthcoming. Our ears droop down tour forelegs and we bray in anguish, to plagiarise a well loved philosopher on this Forum.

      And as to “Real Men” being a “silly term”, I must dare to stand up to your otherwise superior knowledge.

      A real man could be an uncouth miner who sacrifices his Friday night beer to save money to send his child to school. As simple as that. A coiffured stud of an actor for example does not necessarily a Real Man make, so please do not be misled into paths not proposed by the author of this Masterpiece. I would love to debate the subject with you though, as well as with anyone here who would be interested.

      It just so happens that in some instances and on occasion, certain men act in ways that other men admire enough to set up as examples to be admired and emulated.

      And this concludes the sermon for the day.

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      msorensson 7 years ago

      lol..I have a Ph.D. because I was a wife with nothing else to do while waiting for my ex-husband to finish his studies. And yes, a Ph.D. means you simply have the discipline and tenacity to continue work, even when it seems very difficult.

      I did not experience that in the sense that my Ph.D. studies was always second to my duties as a wife.

      It was a long time ago I was at the University of the Philippines, DeGreek. I was very selfish.

      I focused on my studies instead of joining every rally they had, every insurgent meeting I was invited to..

      Even then I did not espouse any insurgency of any kind...it was not me..

      Call me old fashioned and traditional..at least that was when I was young. Now I am just old. I don't mind.

      I agree with you. They are both heroes. One no greater than the other.

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      Nellieanna Hay 7 years ago from TEXAS

      Have I mentioned that I love this hub?

      These men of substance are admirable with or without their poetry, I would think. But that they were unafraid to be amazing poets as well as "real men" (what a silly term is that, though!) recommends them most highly to me.

      A man is an awesome creature. Men who love somehow do so more uncompromisingly and wholeheartedly. Men who are dedicated, likewise, are more single-minded in their dedication.

      Their whole strength of mind, body and spirit is applied to their commitments and their responsibilities. Awesome.

      It matters not what sports they do or do not applaud or engage in. It matters not if they love music and play it well - or not.

      It matters not how wide their interests and tastes. What matters is that A MAN is a man. It is an inherent quality and spirit which, certainly, women sense and recognize, whatever outward signs there may be - and usually are. A real man is a hero by nature.

      And in spite of what some may think, real women have no desire to BE men. We simply like to know and enjoy them and be who we are, as we are, at the same time.

      DG, I like that these men you chose to highlight and to honor met your standards for manhood and that you shared with us your admiration and reasons for it! Thank you for another thoughtful and well-done hub!

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      De Greek 7 years ago from UK

      "An ignorant fool can be a useful fool. He can wash floors. But a fool with a PhD can be lethal", Melinda.

      I know you have a PhD and you must have come across people who fit the above saying. :-)

      Anyone who says that Rizal was not a hero in every sense of the word, is a fool in my book.

      Bonifacio was another hero and no one can deny this, or want to deny it. It does not now matter that he was illiterate and his later acts were an indication of his limitations.

      Many men are ready and willing to die for their country at the appropriate time. I am simply saying that Rizal was a Man's Man. Not the only one by any means :-)

      Thank you for visiting :-)

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      msorensson 7 years ago

      You make me laugh first, then you make me cry, lol.

      If I may, De Greek, some people at the University of the Philippines do not consider Jose Rizal a true hero because he never fought a war.

      They would rather have Andres Bonifacio as the National hero because he was of the masses, clearly, Dr. Rizal was not.

      He is a complicated man, in the sense that he fulfilled his duties and wrote but kept to himself, just like Gandhi.

      You did a great job for something I would not even attempt.

      Thanks. Always your fan.

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      De Greek 7 years ago from UK

      No Enlydia, unless "that way" inclined, men's spines do not tingle, nor do we feel chills. We concentrate on making sure that you women have such a good time so that YOUR spine feels the chill, that we don't have time for ourselves. This is what seprates the MEN whose slaves you are desperate to be, and the men you cannot wait to get rid of.

      Does this answer your question? :-))

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      Enlydia Listener 7 years ago from trailer in the country

      De Greek, great hub...lorlie, methinks we should pick a fine day in May and all talk in Auld English...wouldn't that be fun!

      Was that tongue in cheek, greek when you said the thrill chill never goes down a man's spine...?

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      De Greek 7 years ago from UK

      Lee! Good to see you. Thank you and my regards to the Captain :-)

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      Lee Barton 7 years ago from New Mexico

      I feel like an idiot for not knowing anything about Jose Rizal!

      This is a wonderful hub, De Greek, lighthearted and then serious in all the right places(as usual). And I learned a lot and enjoyed it.

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      De Greek 7 years ago from UK

      @ Gypsy Willow my love, Good to see you again and thank you for remembering me :-)

      @ Lorlie, have fun :-)

      @ Deborah, thank you too :D

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      Deborah Demander 7 years ago from First Wyoming, then THE WORLD

      Very well written hub De Greek. I appreciate your insight.

      Namaste.

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      Laurel Rogers 7 years ago from Bishop, Ca

      Hmm, methinks myself inclined (!) to assess the needs of my Filipino love who in yonder bed awaits. (!)

      Sorry-couldn't help myself.

      See ya soon, De Greek-loved this hub!

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      Gypsy Willow 7 years ago from Lake Tahoe Nevada USA , Wales UK and Taupo New Zealand

      Interesting about Rizal, learn something new every day. Good hub and noted soul bared!

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      De Greek 7 years ago from UK

      Everyone visiting here, please note that Brother Sabu Singh and I are going into business together and we invite you to join our venture. We feel that financially, it will rival Google in its potential, and you may look at the business plan at the comments section here:

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      De Greek 7 years ago from UK

      Are you suggesting taht the NOBLE BEAST is beneath us?

      NOW I am curious to see whether you got the pun :-)))

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      Feline Prophet 7 years ago

      DG, let us not defile a soulful hub with talk of donkeys!!!

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      De Greek 7 years ago from UK

      Yes, I too FP, feel the need to demonstrate that I have SOUL! I know that editors are not supposed to have one, but I imagine that a story about souls must have pased through your desk, even accidentally? :-))

      Hi FP, good to see you. And don't forget to consider investing in those donkeys with Brother Sabu and I :-))

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      Feline Prophet 7 years ago

      What's a self-proclaimed Philistine like me doing on a hub about poets and poetry? Et tu, DG? Sigh.

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      De Greek 7 years ago from UK

      I know thousands, BJ and like in all of us, there are good an bad people. The differnce is that the Filippinos have a loyalty which can not be matched and a bravery which goes beyond the norm. Thank you for commenting :-)

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      BJBenson 7 years ago from USA

      Wonderful Hub. Trust me I know a few Filipino men. They are not all that great, just some. Hey I like the flag!

      Keep on writing!