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The Sun Never Rises: Chapter Seven

Updated on October 5, 2016

Heading West in the Winter

When last we heard from our main characters, Kate was recovering from pneumonia in a hospital in Louisville, Kentucky, and Max was learning that kindness can appear when you least expect it. Let’s hit the road with Max and Kate and see how they’re doing as they steer west in search of warmth….and so much more.

A RIDE OF KINDNESS

Three days in the hospital and Kate was good enough to go again. We said our thanks, having a hard time finding the proper words for the situation, kindness not something either of us is accustomed to receiving, and hitched a ride with a trucker who said he wouldn’t mind the company for fifty miles or so.

Riding in the warm cab, Kate’s hand in mine, we watch as the Midwest unfolds around us, maples, oaks, and elms, all leafless, all standing strong against the winter onslaught, the land leveling out, stretching out towards the Mississippi and beyond. “Big storm coming” the trucker tells us, “direct hit on the Ohio Valley, and I’ll sure be glad to be home in Mount Vernon when that bad boy comes roaring in.”

Kate looks better, has her color back, her grip strong, skin dry, eyes alert, those three days of fluids, comfort, and food doing wonders for her, making me feel hopeful. She looks out through the windshield at it all, an innocence about her, her eyes actually sparkling, and she turns to me from time to time and smiles.

“We better not be on the road when that storm hits, Max,” she says to me, and I have to agree, the thought of taking on a blizzard holds no appeal. “Looks like Mount Vernon for a day or two,” I respond, and her hand once again squeezes mine, and I realize how much I’ve grown fond of this woman called Princess Kate, this woman who refuses to allow broken trusts and sexual assaults to break her.

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Mount Vernon, Illinois

I-64 takes us right to Mount Vernon, and the trucker, named Gus, turns off the interstate and drops us on Harrison Avenue, wishes us well, informs us that the mission is two blocks south, “can’t miss it, now, big old brick building with a cross out front,” and he’s correct in his description, but describing a big old brick building in a Midwest town is not much of a distinguishing feature, brick all around us, weather-beaten, feeling its age, sturdy until the next twister roars in from the south and then a whole bunch of rubble.

The Mission is the Gospel Mission, a cross out front for sure, hardware store next door, insurance agency, barbershop, café, clothing, main street America hunkering down, getting ready to ride out the incoming snow, people all around gathering up supplies, loaded pickup trucks heading for home, the temperature on the bank building saying twenty degrees, and the entry hall of the Mission felt like heaven.

“We’ve got two beds left and they’re yours for the asking,” the woman behind the Mission counter tells us. She’s got the finest blond hair money can buy, black roots barely showing, and stands maybe five-three. Forty, forty-five, smooth skin, rosy, high cheeks, slightly crooked nose, and kind eyes. Not a beauty but still, not hard to look at. “If I could just have your names, please, I’ll show you which bunks are yours. I’m Sister Rachel and it’s very nice to meet you. Dinner is at six, about three hours from now, sermon by the Reverend John at eight, lights-out at nine and breakfast at seven. We lock the doors at nine so if there’s anything you need in town before then, best get it done. Now, your names, please.”

“I’m Max and this is Katie,” I tell her.

“All right then, Max and Katie, you are welcome here. Normally beds are reassigned after each night but, with the storm approaching, you can plan on a place to stay until the snow stops falling. You’ll find the city of Mount Vernon to be tolerant if not overly-welcoming. These are good people in these parts, but they’re confused and worried about the economy, and they don’t know what to make of all the homeless. The police don’t want panhandling but they also don’t hassle you without good reason. And listen to me, prattling on, welcome, welcome, follow me and I’ll show you those bunks.”

There’s no such thing as privacy in a mission. Our bunks are in a large, central room, about the size of a basketball court, and in that room are probably fifty cots, maybe more, and all but two with backpacks and other belongings on them. Ours are side-by-side against the far wall, about as far from the door as you can get and still be within the walls.

“Here you are, Max and Katie, home sweet home during the worst of the storm. If there’s anything I can do for you, remember I’m Sister Rachel and I’m here to help if I can.” And with that our hostess turned sharply and threaded her way out of the room, stopping occasionally to speak to some of our other roommates.

Katie squeezed my hand again and smiled at me. I realized, right then and there, surrounded by all manner of homeless, that I was starting to think of Katie and me as a couple of sorts, and I was hoping she felt the same.

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Braving the Cold

Katie wanted to find a good book to read before the storm hit. “I love to read, Max. A good book can transport me to different places and help me through the lonely nights, you know?” And I did know, and so we walked out of the Mission in search of a bookstore, the wind picking up strength, the first bullets of sleet finding their horizontal way into our faces, and we found one three blocks east, Browser’s Used Books, a woodstove in the corner, churning out heat, an old guy, must have been eighty at least, behind the counter, wishin’ us a good afternoon and genuinely curious if he could help us find anything. His kindness was welcome and Katie’s grip on my hand relaxed a bit. You never know whether hostility or kindness is behind a door when you open it. That’s just the way of the homeless.

“Do you have anything by James Lee Burke,” Katie asks the octogenarian, wispy white hair atop a round head, and he smiles and says, “of course I do, of course I do, what kind of bookstore would this be without the master, James Lee Burke?” And he leads us down a central aisle, turns right at the intersection, and stops in the mystery section.

“Here you go, young lady. I currently have seven titles by Burke. If you’re looking for a recommendation, my personal favorite is ‘Dixie City Jam,’ but you can’t go wrong with any of them,” and Katie agreed with him, thanked him for the help, and paid the three-fifty for the dog-eared, well-read copy, and it warmed my heart to see her smile as she looked at the cover and gently touched it with her fingertips. The shopkeeper invited us to read in his store for awhile, “nice, comfy chairs by the window there,” he said, and we took him up on his invitation.

“I used to read all the time as a kid,” Katie said to me. “I couldn’t get my fill of books. I found them fascinating, all the different places of the world they mentioned, the fascinating people, the riches, the fame, the glory, oh, it was marvelous, Max. And then later, as a teen, books were my escape. I could crawl inside the book cover and make my world go away.”

“Why’d you stop, Katie?” but as soon as the question came out I knew the foolishness of it.

“I guess I came to realize that it’s all an illusion, you know?” she said to me, then looked out the window at a time long ago, a place far away, back when innocence was still allowed in her life, and I watched as a single tear slid down her cheek, and I’m not sure what happened or why, but I leaned over and kissed her softly.

“It’s not all an illusion, Katie,” and I hoped I was man enough to prove that to her.

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The Storm

It begins with a wall of white-gray clouds marching towards you, relentless, ominous, and fascinating, stretching as far north and south as you can see, pushing what blue there is out of the way. As the clouds get closer they seem to descend from the sky, not satisfied with being above the action, they press downwards until it’s impossible to tell where sky and land are separated.

And then the first flakes appear, at first swirling in easily-counted numbers, but soon joined by a host of billions, banding together, their fierceness unforgiving, and man and animals hunker down to ride it out, frightened and yet in awe at the majesty of it all.

By eight the next morning the worst of it was thirty miles beyond us. Fourteen inches of whiteness brought Mount Vernon to a standstill, and what remained was a muffled silence rarely heard in our modern industrial world.

Katie and I looked out the Mission’s front window at the purity of it all. Sister Rachel joined us.

“I don’t know what your plans are, Max, Katie, but Continental Tire is hiring part-time workers. I just thought I’d mention it, Max, in case you’re looking for work. With this storm and all, we can probably give you your cots for two or three nights while Max makes you some traveling money. Just thought I’d mention it, like I said. Continental is a half-mile south of here on Highway One-Forty-Two if you’re interested.”

I looked at Katie. She nodded her head. Why not, I thought? Mount Vernon was as good a place as any to start proving to Katie that hope is never an illusion.

WILL YOU JOIN US NEXT WEEK?

I hope so, and I hope you’re enjoying my friends, Max and Katie, on their journey. Where they’re headed I can’t say for sure. I also can’t say how many hardships they’re going to face in the days ahead. Life ain’t always a bowl of cherries, you know.

2016 William D. Holland (aka billybuc) #greatestunknownauthor

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      Bill Holland 9 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Shannon, it's always nice having a midwest girl along for the ride. Thanks so much for catching up.

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      shanmarie 9 months ago

      I'm so far behind in this story! Gotta catch up. You are telling a story that seems personal to me. It's like traveling with them because of the places you mention, for one thing. I am a Midwestern girl, born and bred in Illinois. And I laughed at the remark about all buildings being described as brick.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      The world can beat us down, Missy, no doubt about that....but still you believe in love, and I believe that to be the foundation for happiness...so carry on, my friend, and thank you!

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      Missy Smith 10 months ago from Florida

      "Hope is never an illusion." I suppose that is something I have needed to try to remember of late myself. I've been really full of anger and anxiety recently, not at all myself. The world can get discouraging, and a story like this is just what I need to bring a better focus to my own life and situations.

      Thanks for bringing hope back into my soul with your story, Bill. There are so many others that try to take it away. :)

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      I do too, Marlene, and it warms my heart that so many others love them as well. Thank you dear friend.

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      Marlene Bertrand 10 months ago from Northern California, USA

      Ain't that the truth! Life is not a bowl of cherries, but Max and Katie are making the best out of every situation. Love that couple.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      True words, Lawrence. True words! Thank you sir!

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      Lawrence Hebb 10 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Bill

      Max's right, hope is never an illusion, but proving it can seem elusive.

      Great installment.

      Lawrence

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Michael my friend, that is exactly what they are heading towards. You have impeccable insights when reading my stories. Thank you for becoming so invested in them and for leaving such insightful comments.

      blessings always

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      Michael-Milec 10 months ago

      Captivating life's experience these two heroes of your story my friend make me realize how alike any other human beings are these people without home. (To me only difference is in these two words ----less and ----more.) Following Max and Katie I can see their souls in mine as hope is perhaps strongest virtue keeping us alive in pursuing dreams of childhood as long as we have chance to love and be loved. The main component in our pursuing happiness lies in knowing what do we want. It seems to me Max and Katie are heading toward an idea "what do we want".

      Have a blessed week. Peace with us.

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Never the blasted cold, Shannon. I spent a year in Alaska and that soured me, for a lifetime, on cold weather.

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      shanmarie 11 months ago

      You almost make me miss home. The Midwest, that is. LOL. . .But not the blasted cold!

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Dee! That's music to my ears. I just want to raise awareness...that's all...and become a better writer along the way.

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      teaches12345 11 months ago

      I am enjoying your series so much. The life of a homeless person is challenging and one I don't believe many of us would survive. "You never know whether hostility or kindness is behind a door when you open it. That’s just the way of the homeless." I pray people keep an open heart and mind when they come across the homeless in our communities.

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      I think, Sha, Katie just decided she no longer needed it. She's found a new reality.

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      Shauna L Bowling 11 months ago from Central Florida

      The miles are getting kinder for Max and Katie. It seems the farther west they go, the friendlier people become. I guess that says something, huh?

      Is Katie still donning her tiara, or has she moved past that fantasy?

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Shyron! It's interesting that several of you have seen Mount Vernon. I never have, but I love that you have.

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      Shyron E Shenko 11 months ago from Texas

      Bill, I am glad Max and Kate found a safe haven in the storm.

      I have been to Mount Vernon, it is a beautiful town in the summer, and I can just imagine how beautiful it is in the snow.

      I am also glad the love between Max and Kate is growing.

      Blessing my friend

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      You are a blessing, Maria. Thank you!

      love,

      bill

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      Maria Jordan 11 months ago from Jeffersonville PA

      Glad these two found kind and humane shelter from the storm, dear Bill.

      Heading to the next chapter - finally starting to feel caught up. Love, Maria

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Not at all, Jo! You're right of course. When I write a series of short stories like this, it is usually a practice run at a future novel...call it my first draft...so problems like the one you mentioned are glaring because I don't believe in editing early works. I don't much care if it's perfect on HubPages. This is a place where I practice my craft and let my creativity flow. If this does become a novel, I'll go back at that time and correct those little flaws.

      I appreciate you pointing that out to me.

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      There you go, MIzB, delving into my psyche. LOL My characters will always reflect my beliefs, and I do love to read.

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      Jo Miller 11 months ago from Tennessee

      Well, this is my first look at Max and Katie, and already I want to know more about them. Guess I'll have to go back and read what precedes. Then I'll be looking forward to see what develops. It seems to have some of the elements of a Hallmark movie at present.

      I just have one question: You began this section in the past tense (first paragraph), and switched to present in second. Did you mean to do that? And am I being rude for drawing attention to it?

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      MizBejabbers 11 months ago

      Wonderful story. I hope their romance blossoms, and BTW the way, I love the fact that Katie loves to read. It's a good place for a person's mind to go when that mind is troubled.

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you John! I'm trying to be descriptive and yet economical in those descriptions. Hard to do for a long-winded person like me. LOL

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      John Hansen 11 months ago from Queensland Australia

      Bill, the vivid descriptions of the people, elements, surroundings, and the locations in your stories makes them so real, and stand out from the crowd. Loving this series.

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      No problem, vkwok. It's always good to see you. Thanks for the kind words.

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      Victor W. Kwok 11 months ago from Hawaii

      A beautiful story that's masterfully written. Sorry it's been a while, Bill!

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Always with respectful admiration, Dora! They've earned it!

      Thank you!

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      Dora Isaac Weithers 11 months ago from The Caribbean

      Even when the weather is not ideal, you manage to keep the spirits lifted because of the understanding in the relationship. Also like how you usually describe women with respectful admiration.

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Very true, Eric....very true! Thanks my friend.

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      Eric Dierker 11 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I surely do like their relationship. Made me think on how important others in the quest for hope.

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Bill, we can always hope. Thanks for catching up and joining my heroes on their journey. Happy weekend to you as well.

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      I really appreciate that, Manatita! Thank you for the kind words of affirmation.

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Rasma, there's nothing like a Midwest blizzard to put you in touch with your inner self. :) Thanks for riding along.

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      Bill De Giulio 11 months ago from Massachusetts

      Another wonderful chapter Bill. Things seem to be looking up for Max and Katie, hopefully it continues. Have a great weekend.

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      manatita44 11 months ago from london

      Some of your lines and even paragraphs, Bro, are writing at its best! So much for an unknown author. Greatest indeed!

      Lovely or wonderful story with just a light and sweet touch of romance in all the right places. Beautiful!!

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      Gypsy Rose Lee 11 months ago from Riga, Latvia

      That certainly was some storm. Reminded me the times when I spent whole weekends with a book in hand in a completely different world snow, rain or shine. Thank you for this journey and looking forward to more.

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Vellur! Hope is never an illusion....we must all believe that.

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Blossom! I do love writing about these characters. Their strength and resolve are inspirational for me.

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      Nithya Venkat 11 months ago from Dubai

      Glad they found shelter and food to eat to get through the storm. Hope is never an illusion - that line is comforting to read. I hope things get better for them soon.

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      Bronwen Scott-Branagan 11 months ago from Victoria, Australia

      Life is not always plain sailing and I love the way your couple are gradually coming closer to each other, especially when there's storm outside, but peace within.

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Tough road ahead, Nadine, but thank you.

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you very much, Alicia. I can't guarantee smooth sailing the rest of the way, but for now I, too, am glad they are resting comfortably.

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      Nadine May 11 months ago from Cape Town, Western Cape, South Africa

      Lovely story Billy. I hope they stay together as a couple and find a place of their own.

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      Linda Crampton 11 months ago from British Columbia, Canada

      I'm glad that Max and Katie are experiencing some kindness on their journey, especially during a storm. I'm looking forward to the next installment in their story.

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Sis! I like the fact that Max and Katie draw strength from each other, something I think we all need to do in some way. We can't walk this path alone. I know, I've tried it, and failed miserably. :)

      hugs from your bro in Olympia

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      Paula 11 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      I just love traveling with these two amazing people. Good to see Katie feeling well, rested & nourished. Can't do much better than meeting up with a kind-hearted trucker willing to let you ride fifty miles in his warm truck.

      I have to wonder what it's really like, how a person handles a homeless situation, wandering from place to place, hoping to be safe and fed. Max & Katie are amazing. You've let me experience it all with them. I even browsed the book store, one of my favorite places to hang out. Katie's inner strength connects her directly to my heart....I know her almost as well as she knows herself. They make a dynamic duo, Max & Katie do.

      Oh thanks for the glimpse of my car and driveway a couple months from now. I was trying not to think about that...but, if Max & Katie have to do it, so do I!! Great episode.

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Pop, that's the highest praise you could give me. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you very much, Larry!

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Well Ruby, it was bound to happen. Eventually I'd write about a place you know or have visited. Thanks for sharing that.....as my characters continue moving through the Midwest, perhaps they'll visit another of your old haunts. :) Thanks for always being here.

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      breakfastpop 11 months ago

      I want more and I am relieved that Princess Katie is feeling better. I feel I know these people.

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      Larry Rankin 11 months ago from Oklahoma

      Another great installment.

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Zulma, I'll leave that custard to you. No sharing necessay, but apple pie I'll share any old day. :)

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 11 months ago from Southern Illinois

      This was great, not just because of the story, but because you are in my neck of the woods. I was in Mt Vernon, In. yesterday, and I've been to Mt Vernon Il many times, in fact I took some of my clinicals at the VA hospital there. I also have a sad memory that lives there. In the early 80's my sister Mary lost a grandchild, Amy Schultz. She was murdered and found in an oilfield. There is a statute of her on the town square, wearing her cheerleaders outfit. She was eight years old. She went out after dark to look for her puppy. The man is still on death row. His lawyer got him a new trial and he was convicted the second time and sentenced to die. Back to your story, I love that Max and Kate are growing closer. See you next time...

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      Zulma Burgos-Dudgeon 11 months ago from United Kingdom

      Apple pie? Why not. I'll go pick some blackberries to add to it. I think I'll have a go at making my own custard too.

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      For sure, Glenis. Antibiotics are pretty effective these days. In many ways we've made huge strides....and in many ways, not so much. :) Thanks for joining my characters on their trip.

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      Glenis Rix 11 months ago from UK

      I like the description of the snow storm, and it's good to know that Max may have a few days work. The power of antibiotics! My Dad took months to recover from pneumonia in the early 30s.

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Now I want an apple pie. LOL The power of suggestion.

      A typical October for us. The temps are normal and the rain is normal. All is normal in my world, lacking excitement but comfortable nonetheless. :)

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      Zulma Burgos-Dudgeon 11 months ago from United Kingdom

      Yes. Yes, I am and I don't apologize for it. I feel the same way Princess Katie feels about books. It a magic carpet ride to another time and place where wonderful things can happen despite the tragedy. If I to see the real world, I'll just turn on the evening news.

      Rainy Olympia? Is that fall weather out your way? We're still getting warmish days but you can smell autumn in the air. Or maybe that's just the apple sitting on my desk. A lovely couple brought in apples they had picked from their tree to the writers' group and told us to help ourselves. I wish I could share the scent with you. You'd love it. :)

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Flourish, I like these characters too much. I don't feel like adding to their misery. :) I'll tell them you said hello.

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Mike, that's what I was trying to convey. There are good people out there. I think they get overshadowed by the bad, but there are millions in the shadows and I believe in their goodness. Thanks for riding along. I'll keep it going at least until they hit the west coast. Oops, I just gave away part of the story. LOL

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Zulma, you're just filling the airwaves with hope this morning. :) I'll try not to let you down.

      Thanks and Happy Wednesday from rainy Olympia!

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      FlourishAnyway 11 months ago from USA

      I'm glad there is the prospect of work for him and shelter for them both.

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      Old Poolman 11 months ago

      This is not only a great story, it is a reminder that there are still plenty of really good people in this world. I happen to know plenty of these really good people but it is easy to lose sight of this with all the bad things we see on the news.

      I long for the good-ole-days when it was just understood that friends help friends and neighbors help neighbors. I'm sure this is still going on but a story like this is a needed reminder.

      Keep these coming Bill, I look forward to the next chapter.

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      Zulma Burgos-Dudgeon 11 months ago from United Kingdom

      I'm so glad, Katie's on the mend. I don't know what Max would have done without her. It's good to know there are people out there who still understand that kindness is always appreciated and rewarded. I hope they get the job.

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      That's very sweet of you to say, Louise. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Aw, thanks Janine. I do enjoy writing about these characters...always hope, my friend.

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      Louise Barraco 11 months ago from Ontario

      I love your work it always ropes me in making me want to read more and more.

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      Janine Huldie 11 months ago from New York, New York

      Aw, this installment gave me more hope than you know and can't wait to see where their journey takes them next now. Happy Wednesday to you, Bill now!! :)

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you very much, Meg.....those words of affirmation mean a lot to me.

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      DreamerMeg 11 months ago from Northern Ireland

      What an amazing description of a snowstorm coming in. I amglad we don't normally have anything like that here. It's great that Max and Katie can rest for a bit.