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The Writer's Mailbag: Installment One-Hundred and Fourteen

Updated on September 12, 2016

A Short One This Week and That’s Okay

There were only four questions this week, so I guess we’ll just go with the four and be done with it. It will mean, of course, that this Mailbag won’t have a chance of being featured on HP, but I think I can live with that disappointment. LMAO

My thanks to those who asked questions; my thanks to those of you reading the answers; and my thanks to all of you who make up my writing community, without whom I would just be a tiny little voice in the wilderness, that shy kid in the corner who doesn’t speak to anyone and prays to the gods no one will speak to him.

I appreciate all of you greatly.

Welcome back to the Mail Room!
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Fictitious Characters and Places

From Venkatachari M: “Coming to fictitious places and names, I also get many problems in doing it. If I want to retain a particular character with his real name and then want to deal with his life events and change names of the spouse and other characters, it looks much awkward to me in narrating the story. How can I put it satisfactory and appealing to my own mind as well as the readers?”

It’s an interesting problem you have, Venkatachari M, and I thank you for sharing it.

I suspect that it only seems awkward to you and not to readers. No one else knows you are using a real name but changing the names of the spouse and other characters. I don’t think this is an issue you need to worry about with regards to your readers. Maybe I’m wrong, or maybe I’m misreading the question or misunderstanding your intent.

You do have several options. You can choose not to use the real name, or you can choose to also use the real names of the spouse and other characters. I rarely use real names for real people in my novels. I always change names simply because it avoids possible pitfalls and hurt feelings in the future. In fact, unless the real identity of a person is absolutely necessary for the spirit of your short story or novel, I would always suggest that you change the name to a fictitious one. I’m sure others will have differing opinions on that, and that’s fine, but that’s how I feel about fiction writing.

Are these people fictitious or real to me when I use them in my stories?
Are these people fictitious or real to me when I use them in my stories? | Source

How’s Niume Coming Along?

From Peter: “Hey, Bill, you mentioned in another Mailbag that you are trying out a new writers’ site called NIUME. I was hoping you could tell us more about your experience so far. Many of us at HP are discouraged and feel the need to try another site. So, what do you think of NIUME? Also, how does one transfer Hubs from HP to NIUME without being flagged for duplicate material?”

Peter, I need to preface my answer with a clear statement: I love HubPages because of the writing community there. I have many friends there and I will never totally leave that site.

Having said that, I am very disappointed in the staff and management of that site, and their lack of support for creative writers.

But there are other options, and NIUME is one of them.

I posted, so far, three short stories on NIUME the first week, and in that week I racked up 874 views. Payment on NIUME is made each month and you only need $10 to receive a payment. Money is accumulated based on the number of views you receive, the formula being one dollar per one-thousand views. Honestly I don’t know how that compares to the process at HP, mainly because I find HP and revenue sharing to be very confusing. I’ve been with HP for five years now and I still don’t know how they determine the monies a writer makes. So I’m happy with NIUME simply because it uses a formula I can understand.

NIUME, like HP, is a community of writers. I suspect my views will increase as I begin to support other writers on that site. The same is true at HP so I see no reason to believe it is different at NIUME. I’ll begin doing that next week when I have a little more time.

And that’s what I know so far about NIUME.

As for your second question, simply go to your Hub, go into “edit” mode, and hit “delete.” That will un-publish your Hub and free you up to use it on any other site you choose.

By the way, the downloading process on NIUME is very simple…much simpler than on HP, and the requirements are much-less stringent and demanding.

If you are interested in NIUME, and you want to make me a dollar, use my link to visit them and sign up with them….here’s that link https://niume.com/?ambassadorID=48484.

And that’s it!

FIVERR

From Monica: “What do you think of the site FIVERR for writers to make money?”

Monica, I’m going to give you what may seem like a flippant answer, but it’s not meant to be.

FIVERR is fine if you don’t mind writing for five bucks.

Now let me explain.

I have a couple friends who make more than $400 per month writing on FIVERR. One does short editing jobs and one does rhymes for greeting cards. It is relatively easy work for both of them, and they can both do about three jobs, or four, in an hour, so they are actually making closer to $15-$20 per hour than five.

So really it all comes down to what your expectations are and what you want from a content site. I’ve used FIVERR myself for a couple writing gigs and I had no problem with it at all. I would probably use it again if I wanted to increase my content work but I don’t want to do that. I want to spend more time writing novels and less time writing for content sites.

My suggestion: give it a try and see what you think about it. One more suggestion: make your FIVERR site and your profile stand out. Spend a good amount of time building your FIVERR platform before you ever advertise a gig. It will pay off in the long run.

Sick bastard or storyteller?
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PERVERSION

From Eric: “Hey buddy, my son just got awarded a star for the week deal -- what the hell it means is that we got a crap load of work to do over the weekend, obviously with parent involvement to let him "shine like a star" next week. I kind of make it fun - though I could pull my hair out. And so the question: Are we perverted bastards to write of horrible tragedy and enjoy the hell out of it? Are we necessarily sick to conjure up hell with joy in our hearts and a feeling of accomplishment? Is my sanity on the brink here? Am I the gal on the evening news reporting a hurricane with a smile on my face?”

Wow, Eric, not I’m sickened by myself! LOL Thanks a lot for making me feel like the worst kind of sensationalist.

Here’s my answer: I’m a storyteller. That’s what I do as a writer. I follow an age-old tradition of telling stories to my generation, and because of the internet and self-publishing, my stories will also be enjoyed by generations to come. I mix messages into my stories. Sometimes the stories are horrible, but the message is always worthwhile. That’s important to me, the message….and the tradition of storytelling….and I think it’s important for civilization.

So, are we sick bastards to write of horrible tragedies?

Not at all! We’re storytellers!

That’s All, Folks!

Actually this turned out to be fairly lengthy, thanks to my long-winded answers. And Eric came in just under the deadline with the fourth question, so HP will be happy with my article length.

Like I really care what HP thinks! LOL

Have a great week!

2016 William D. Holland (aka billybuc) #greatestunknownauthor

“Helping writers to spread their wings and fly.”

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      Janine Huldie 10 months ago from New York, New York

      What can I say, but thank you always for all your insight here each Monday and also for sharing a bit more about NIUME here today and will have to take look over there still when I can now. Happy Monday to you, Bill!! :)

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      Linda Lum 10 months ago from Washington State, USA

      Thank you for a good start to this dark Monday (it's not summer anymore). You've given me the push in the keister (let's see how many people look that one up) I need to start moving things to NIUME.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Janine! I don't know if NIUME will be for you but I look forward to hearing your impressions.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Linda, I know that word quite well. GET OFF YOUR KEISTER!!!!! Heard it often as a teen. LOL Happy Dark Monday, my friend.

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      Melissa Propp 10 months ago from Minnesota

      Happy Monday Bill! Thanks for starting my morning off "write". I haven't fully explored Niume yet, but I did sign up. I haven't earned you that dollar yet, but maybe some day. Can I ask you what your name is on that site? I was trying to find your posts, but didn't know what are you had posted under or if there was an easy way to search...

      Have a great week!

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Good morning Melissa! I'm signed up under Bill Holland but yesterday Mel told me he couldn't find me under that name, so I don't know what's up with the search engine there. My articles appear, and I have a "dashboard," so why people can't find my name is a mystery so far.

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      Sally Gulbrandsen 10 months ago from Norfolk

      I found the subject of Niume interesting. I have been 'flipping' your articles on Niume from one of my Flipboard Magazines so hopefully it is helping you towards your first payout!

      I would like to start writing there but still have to figure out where my writing will fit. I think I would have to stop being a one trick pony and deviate away from the felting to write there. I have not seen anything crafty at all.

      I can't imagine why your articles would not be featured on HubPages, surely not just for their length! HubPages certainly did me a favour when they named a Niche Site which so perfectly fitted my own writing here.

      Hope you have a good week Billy.

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      Shauna L Bowling 10 months ago from Central Florida

      I'm not sure I want to try Niume. Some of my hubs don't have 1,000 views, but I know one thing: ever since 5 of my hubs have been moved to niche/network sites, my earnings have more than doubled. Whereas, I'd get to the $50 threshold over a period of four months or so, I'm now meeting it in two. I think I'll stay put and try to increase my frequency of posting.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Sally! I don't worry much about HP. I'm only here for you and others like you. Friendship means a great deal to me.

      Thanks for helping out on Niume....I'll dedicate my first payout to you. :)

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      A good decision on your part, Sha. My views have increased on HP as well.....but the damage was done a long time ago by the HP staff. I've just been waiting for another site that made sense to me and had promise. So we'll see!

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      breakfastpop 10 months ago

      I can't even begin to imagine how HP thinks, and frankly I don't care. I do care about the wonderful friends I have made on this site, and that means everything to me.

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      ocfireflies 10 months ago from North Carolina

      Bill,

      Qqq

      So glad to hear about Niume. I am definitely going to look at it. I had wondered about the name itself: how to pronounce it? Is it an acronym?

      And FYI, I have penned an article, just waiting to get the photo to go with it which I am hoping to do tomorrow. Thanks for encouraging me. On a side note. After I wrote my piece, I called my daddy as I do every day. He and my brother had ridden out to the old store to take a last look. Just found it interesting that unbeknownst to either of us, we were all thinking about the store. Thank you my friend.

      Kim

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Pop, that is exactly how I feel about it all. Take away my friends and I'm gone in a New York minute.

      Thanks for being one of them.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Kim that is good news about your upcoming article....I am very glad to hear that.

      no idea where NIUME comes from. Got to be an acronym, right?

      I love it that your daddy went out to look at the old store....kismet?

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      Denise McGill 10 months ago from Fresno CA

      Even for a short one I love my Monday morning with Bill! I think I'll just have to give Niume a look-see. But like you I doubt that I'll leave HP completely either way. I love it here. Thanks for the great ideas and diversion for a Monday. Have a blessed week.

      Blessings,

      Denise

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Denise. I love spending part of Monday with you as well. Yes, take a look at NIUME. It's a nice alternative and I think I'll hang out on both sites for awhile.

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      Dora Isaac Weithers 10 months ago from The Caribbean

      Thanks to you and your contributors for the information on NIUME and FIVERR. I keep looking at new sites but none seem to pull me in the way HP did. Will keep looking!

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      Venkatachari M 10 months ago from Hyderabad, India

      Thanks, Bill, for clearing my doubts and for the advice. I can keep all the names fictitious.

      Other questions of this mailbag are also interesting with some knowledge of new sites and a good answer to Eric's perversion problem. I gain some knowledge always through your mailbags. Thanks again.

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      Cynthia Sageleaf 10 months ago from Western NC

      You know, now that I'm back here (a little) more, I'm quite enjoying these installments. :)

      Alas...you know what my whole deal is? Comments. I LOVE the community they create. But living life in comment hell...I'm not so good at that. LOL.

      So my hat's off to you because you're really good at it and so on top of it!!

      I hope your Monday has started well, Big Bro!

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      That's the way to do it, Dora. There is no rush in setting down roots.

      Thank you for always being here on Mondays.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      I am glad to hear that, Venkatachari M, and I'm glad my answer to your question was satisfactory.

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      Venkatachari M 10 months ago from Hyderabad, India

      Congrats, Bill, my lovely Brother! You have got it. The Best All-Around Hubber Award. It's a great news for me. I am much pleased to see your name at top of it just now.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Hey, Lil Sis, good to see you. Just between you and me, I'm much better at online conversations than I am face-to-face, which is a painful struggle for me.

      Happy Monday to you, Sis!

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you so very much, my friend. I have some very good supporters on HP, you included, and I am humbled by it all.

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      manatita44 10 months ago from london

      Another great and entertaining one. Good to know that new sites are rising to challenge HP. I suspect this will continue. Hub Pages know this and are trying to be ahead of the game. Carry on, Bro.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Manatita and carry on I shall. You do the same, with my blessings.

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      Shauna L Bowling 10 months ago from Central Florida

      The results are in? How come HP didn't send me an email? Where can I find a list of the winners?

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      I didn't get an email either, Sha, but I know you won in a category, so congrats my friend.....http://blog.hubpages.com/

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      Shauna L Bowling 10 months ago from Central Florida

      I just saw it. The email was waiting for me after I left my comment. I'm thrilled!

      Congrats on Best All-Around Hubber, Bill. I voted for you! :-)

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      Buildreps 10 months ago from Europe

      Thanks for explaining more on some of the emerging writers websites, Bill. I think it wasn't such a short mailbag, it appeared as usual to me. :) You've included great videos with useful tips. Good work. Thanks!

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Sha!

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Buildreps. I guess it just seemed short because there were only four questions.

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      William Kovacic 10 months ago from Pleasant Gap, PA

      Short but sweet - and very powerful. There's a lot of information packed into those few questions. Again, I thank you, my friend!

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      Shannon 10 months ago from Texas

      Hahaha. You amuse me, but at least it's with truth. ;)

      I haven't heard of the first site you mentioned, but I'll go check that one out. FIVERR has not been a good experience the couple of times i tried it. I only did like two jobs because of the time to pay ratio. And I can't even get paid for them because I have to go force myself to do more so that I can accumulate enough to get a payout. Blah. How lukcy your friend is that does the greeting cards. Although. . .there are some really easy jobs there. The last one I did was something kind of stupid, if you ask me, but this person sought me out and it was quick and easy. I gave a review of some pets I own for a website. Took less than 10 min. So, in that respect, its' easy and quick pay. But then I have to consider the time it would take for me to actually hunt down the quick jobs like that over and over again since it's not recurring. I think I'll stick with Constant-Content for selling web content articles and go look for writer community sites for networking purposes.

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      Faith Reaper 10 months ago from southern USA

      Congrats Bill for the well-deserved Best All Around Hubber Hubbie Award...well, of course, who else!

      Awesome Monday Mailbag too, to boot.

      Blessings and Hugs

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Faith! That's what I get for sitting at the cool kids' table. :)

      blessings always

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you very much, Bill. I appreciate it, buddy!

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      I'm with you, Shannon. I've only done two jobs on it and although I got paid right away, to me it wasn't worth it...but...there are people who do quite well there and swear by it, so there you go. :)

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      Dora Isaac Weithers 10 months ago from The Caribbean

      Congratulations on your 2016 Best All-Round Hubber Award. You've always been a Lighthouse on HP.

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      mckbirdbks 10 months ago from Emerald Wells, Just off the crossroads,Texas

      Congratulations!!! Best All-Around Hubber: billybuc - I could not agree with the vote more. Here at The Writer's Mailbag 114 is a fine place to acknowledge the award.

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      MizBejabbers 10 months ago

      Bill, thanks for keeping us posted on other writer websites. I don't have time right now, but when, if I ever do, retire, I want some options.

      I really liked your answer to Eric. I think it's important to leave our mark on history, and what better way than writing about the everyday lives of everyday people. My dad was a really good yarn spinner, and I remember a lot of his tales of his generation. I just wish I'd written them down at the time because now if I do, I will have to fill in the blanks and they won't be his. When we write ours, at least we know that they are ours and not from the memories of our descendants.

      I don't know nuthin' 'bout no hubber awards because I don't have time to get into that, but congratulations anyway, my friend..

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Dora! I am so very appreciative.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      MIke, thanks my friend, and congratulations on yours as well.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you MizB! I attribute my award to the company I keep here.

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      Heidi Thorne 10 months ago from Chicago Area

      Happy Mailbag Monday!

      Re: Fiverr. You get what you pay for... and how much you pay for it. I've seen some Fiverr design work. Actually, it was okay. But a friend who used it wasn't totally thrilled and then ended up hiring a full-price designer to redo it. Another concern is copyrights. Does the Fiverr provider retain any rights to work created? Better figure that out before hiring or providing.

      Happy Short Week!

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      John Hansen 10 months ago from Queensland Australia

      A great bunch of questions and answers this week, Bill. In regard to Heidi's concern about Fiverr copyright. Under Fiverr's terms and conditions all copyright of writing transfers automatically to the buyer unless specific arrangements are made with the seller stating otherwise. Fiverr itself retains no rights to the work.

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      FlourishAnyway 10 months ago from USA

      Bill - Is there any topic that you will not write about? Why I ask is this -- and I need to put it in code speak so your ads won't be disabled: I wrote a song list about "doing away with oneself" in order to raise awareness and help prevent this sort of sad thing. I found that the stigma runs very deep indeed. I'm still glad I wrote about it, but it's more of a piece from the heart.

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      Larry Rankin 10 months ago from Oklahoma

      Always enjoy these. Sorry for long time no see. Been doing the professor thing. Between you and me, I far prefer reading your articles to comp students, lol.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Heidi, it's always valuable having you weigh in. Thanks for your expertise...always.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      There you go, John! Thanks for that information and congratulations on your Hubbie Award. Well-deserved, my friend.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Actually, Floourish, the answer is no, but I'm going to include this in next week's Bag because it's an interesting question...so thank you!

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      LongTimeMother 10 months ago from Australia

      Hi Bill. I had to come over to your current hub to offer my congratulations ... again. lol.

      For those who aren't aware, Bill has won Best All-Rounder in 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2016. I'm thinking it is time they created a 'billybuc award' and let you nominate someone to receive it. :)

      Congratulations.

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      John Hansen 10 months ago from Queensland Australia

      And congratulations on another Best All Round Hubber once again, Bill. I was confident you'd achieve that.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL...Larry, your secret is safe with me, and thanks for the huge compliment.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      LongTime, thank you so much. I just hang with the cool kids. That's my secret! LOL

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you so much, John! Four in a row...I think it's about time someone else take the torch, buddy. How about you?

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      social thoughts 10 months ago from New Jersey

      Bill,

      Thank you for sharing your experience on Niume so far. I will check it out. Perhaps, it will inspire me to get back into writing. Plus, any site with your company is preferred. I am curious if you think there will still be concerns about plagiarism as I'm sure would be for anything online?

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      Bill De Giulio 10 months ago from Massachusetts

      Interesting questions Bill. Maybe I'll check out Niume, although I seem to be having a hard time finding the time to write on HP at the moment. But, things are beginning to settle down here so I anticipate writing more this fall. Have a great week.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Well, Kailey, let's tackle that question in the next Mailbag. Thanks for it...hope you have a reasonable day today.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      I hope you find the time to write, Bill. I so appreciate good writing like yours.

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      jo miller 10 months ago from Tennessee

      Thanks for the information on the writing sites. I think many here will be interested.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      My pleasure, Jo! I hope you enjoy them...and thank you!

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      Chitrangada Sharan 10 months ago from New Delhi, India

      Congratulations for the well deserved Hubbie award !

      The best all round hubber award is meant for you only . And I feel happy to celebrate your win.

      Thanks for this edition of Q-A series.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      I really appreciate that, ChitrangadaSharan. I love my friends here and I'm grateful for every single one of you.

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      mckbirdbks 10 months ago from Emerald Wells, Just off the crossroads,Texas

      I read elsewhere that an ex-Hubber, has passed the $5,000 mark writing on RedGage. Heck, I'll turn it into the form of a question. Have you heard of RedGage? Since I have not passed the $100.00 mark on HP, I am naturally curious.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      I'm looking into it, Mike. I'll have the answer for you in the Mailbag on Monday.

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      Joyce fischer 10 months ago

      I saw a promotional post for Redgage. I am on my tablet right now. I'll look it up when I get back to my computer and send you the link. It was iffy, I would check out the website and look for some other comments.

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      Joyce A Fischer 10 months ago from Thailand

      Here is a copy of the email and response I saw on http://www.makealivingwriting.com/earn-money-onlin...

      The comment was pretty far down the list, so I copied it for you. It's a good list for paying writing assignments. So, worth reading anyway.

      Redgage says:

      August 12, 2016 at 12:06 am

      Great resource for writers! I heard The Redgage also pays contributors a bonus based on their articles or photos performance on the site.

      Thanks !!

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      Carol Tice says:

      August 12, 2016 at 7:31 am

      Gee, I wonder where you heard that, since your name seems to be… Redgage.

      This list is only for sites with guaranteed payment of at least $50 per post. I’d like to encourage you to consider paying writers enough to allow them to pursue their craft as a living, rather than a hobby. The readers of my blog are looking for the former.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Joyce! I appreciate you doing that.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you for that, Joyce! I suspect this is true of all write-for-pay sites like this, but it was good to read that comment.

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      Dianna Mendez 10 months ago

      Thanks for the reviews on other sites. Like you, I appreciate the wonderful community of writers who support you on HubPages. It is hard to find it on other sites. Have a good week, Bill.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      That's very true, Dee, although in all fairness, I've never really made much of an effort on the other sites.

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      Frank Atanacio 10 months ago from Shelton

      two bag full for me today.. so for me it wasn't short just add four more to the previous mail run I have read.. Venkatachari M... question was interesting and you cracked it well my friend :)

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Frank, you're like a Swiss watch...always dependable. Thanks, buddy!

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