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The Writer's Mailbag: Installment Twenty-three

Updated on December 1, 2014

Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy

I try not to date any of these articles, but Thanksgiving just ended and in case I didn’t catch up with you beforehand, Happy Thanksgiving to you all.

What a kick it is to be doing the twenty-third installment of this series. When I did the very first one, it was just a toss-away article to fill in a day, something that tied up some loose ends so I could move on to more important things. Little did I know.

So, let’s get rolling, shall we? You ask, I answer, and that’s how this works. The day you stop asking is the day this series fades away like pet rocks and neon sweat bands.

You can ask your question in the comment section below, or you can ask it on my blog at www.williamdhollandauthor.com.

Either way, I’ll get back to you with an answer.

So let’s get this show on the road and test its tires.

Welcome to the Writer's Mailbag
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The Benefits of Hubpages

From ArtDiva: I keep asking myself, after reading this and other comments, what benefits are derived here? I see posts with claims of over 100,000 hits and complaining about traffic decline? How are numbers like this even possible? I am clueless since I don't write professionally. Maybe another Mailbag topic?

There is a lot to cover in this comment by ArtDiva.

What are the benefits of HubPages? Well, for those who make money on that site, I guess that qualifies as a benefit. Although I make money on HP, that is not the benefit that keeps me there. I love that site because of the community. It fills me with “warms and fuzzies “interacting with other writers and quality human beings.

But there are other benefits as well. I find HP to be a nice platform where I can practice my writing craft. I consider it a warehouse where I can store my articles until I need them for another purpose.

How are numbers like 100,000 possible? Longevity, mainly. I’ve got over a half-million. They just add up, a day at a time. I have a friend on HP with over six million views, and I have to tell you, I find that remarkable and exciting. Six million people have read her work…what a great legacy, and that legacy will continue long after the writer’s death. How cool is that?

I, too, have seen writers complaining about their numbers dropping. It is what it is. There are fluctuations in life and that’s just the way it is. They go up, they go down, but whether I receive ten views per day, or one-thousand views per day, I will keep on writing, because that’s what writers do.

Seven million views between the three of us...most of them by the lady on the right
Seven million views between the three of us...most of them by the lady on the right | Source

How Can I Be Sure?

From Anna: “Bill, how can I be sure that I have any writing talent? I mean, how does anyone know? I’ve written for years, but I have no idea. My family likes what I write, and friends say I’m good, but I can’t really trust them, can I? They have to say good things about my writing.”

Well, Anna, if they know what’s good for them they do. LOL

I understand the question, and I’ll bet most writers have asked it. About once a month I’ll have this confidence crisis and I’ll question whether I have any talent at all, and I’m sure I’m not alone feeling that.

So, what do we do for an honest answer to that question?

The first thing that comes to mind is to join a writing club, whether online or in your town. There you will find other writers who will critique your work and help you to grow…hopefully in a loving and supportive way.

You might also consider taking a creative writing class at your local community college or community center. Nothing says “objective opinion” like that of a complete stranger whose only job is to make you a better writer.

There are also several writers on HP who will be willing to critique your work (for a price of course). I can think of three that come to mind immediately, so get in touch with me if that interests you.

Good Contests to Enter

From Isaac: “Can you steer me in the direction of some good writing contests? I see a lot of them online, but I’m not sure which ones are reputable, especially since many require an entry fee.”

Great question and you are correct: if you are going to pay a submission fee, then it would be nice to know it’s a real contest and not some scam.

Freelance Writing has an online site that constantly updates reputable writing contests. You can find them here.

You might also try Writers Digest online or in publication. I have found that resource to be quite useful.

Or, on a self-serving note, you can stop by my blog, where I regularly highlight contests that I think are worthwhile.

Entry fees for contests range from zero to twenty-five bucks, and there are tons out there, so pick and choose according to the size of your pocketbook.

Thoughts of Quitting

From Bob: Have you ever thought about quitting? I swear, if I receive one more rejection letter, I’m going to scream.”

I can hear the scream from here, so it must have happened.

Seriously, yes. Every few months I question my sanity. I’m willing to bet most writers experience that feeling, so you aren’t alone, Bob.

You either love writing or you don’t. If you love it, then you will soldier on, because the passion outweighs the disappointments. If you don’t love it, then what in the hell are you doing it for?

How’s that for blunt?

Readings, Book Signings, and Other Public Appearances

From Susanne: “How do you go about setting up a book signing or reading? Is there an established way to approach those events?”

I don’t think there is one “right way,” but I do think there is a wrong way….by not doing it.

Scheduling a public reading is not rocket science. Go into a bookstore or a library and ask if you can schedule a reading or book signing. It’s as simple and as difficult as that. You might also check community centers as a possible venue. Another thing you might consider is going to the local high schools and talking to the Literature/English teachers about giving a presentation/reading to their class. I know, as a former teacher, that I would have embraced a local author if approached with that opportunity.

If you are serious about your craft, then I highly recommend doing these things. Even if you haven’t written a book, you can try to set up a reading of your essays. It’s great public exposure and it is another board in the building of your platform.

Motif, Anyone?

From Deb: Bill: what's the difference between a story's theme and motif?

Do you now see why I think I have the smartest followers in the world?

A motif is any recurring tool used in a story that has a symbolic significance. By repeating it throughout the story, the motif can help with aspects such as a theme or a mood.

An example would be the use of the flute in “The Death of a Salesman” by Arthur Miller. It’s a wonderful tool if used correctly, as many of the greats have done.

I hope to see you next week
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More Next Week

I’m still having fun, and you still have questions, so I see no reason why we shouldn’t continue next Monday. Until then, enjoy writing. Few in this world can do what we do, so embrace that fact and make the most of it.

2014 William D. Holland (aka billybuc)

“Helping writers to spread their wings and fly.”

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      Maria Jordan 2 years ago from Jeffersonville PA

      Well, if this isn't one of the finest examples of your PERSISTENCE in writing...Bill, even your answers give inspiration to' keep on going' and striving for improvement in our craft.

      Giving thanks for YOU and heading off to my own neck of the woods to do some polishing of a Good Word with your name all over it, young man!

      Happy Monday and Happy December! Love, Maria

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      Janine Huldie 2 years ago from New York, New York

      Aww, glad we are back too and here is to a great week ahead now. Still can't believe it is only 3 more weeks until Christmas week and just trying to get as much done between now and then. Wonderful advice as always and wishing you a great week once again now!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Maria, I look forward to it, and I'll answer the call with gusto.

      Happy December indeed on this cold Monday morning.

      love,

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Janine. I wonder when I'll find the time for Christmas shopping??? Oh well, I work best under pressure.

      Happy Monday dear friend.

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      Shauna L Bowling 2 years ago from Central Florida

      Great questions and answers once again, Bill. I always look forward to Mondays to see what's been swirling around in the brains of fellow writers.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      So do I, Sha! It's always a fun article for me to write.

      I hope you had a great Thanksgiving. After four days I'm more than ready to start writing again.

      Thank you and have a productive week.

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      DJ Anderson 2 years ago

      Mailbag Monday!

      Oh, I love it.

      I do believe these sessions give me a burst of energy.

      "To infinity and beyond!"

      Sending warm breezes from way down south.

      DJ.

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      Rachael O'Halloran 2 years ago from United States

      Mondays and billybuc - my first stop on HubPages, then I go do the email.

      Some people take a break from their writing to play a game or go catch a favorite TV show, billybuc puts together his mailbag hubs. lol

      Always a pleasure to read the Q & A's.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      DJ, I want you to fly so high you touch the sky!

      Warm breezes we could use right about now.

      I love that you love Mailbag Mondays. So do I, my friend. Thank you!

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      True story, Rachael. This is my "break." LOL I'm not sure if that's sad or not. :)

      I'm glad you are here. Thank you and Happy Monday to you.

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      Sally Gulbrandsen 2 years ago from Norfolk

      Very helpful as usual Billy thank you. I have been wondering if you ever find it necessary to file a DMCA report? You are so productive with your writing that I wondered if you have time to do that as well as write. I have a list of stolen hubs which I have filed reports for but somehow never seem able to rid myself completely of little red signs in my accounts page and quite honestly sometime I wonder if it is worth the effort.

      Sally

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      manatita44 2 years ago from london

      Another excellent article and another excellent Monday. As long as you've got over the cold, that is. Keep up the good work. Regards,

      Manatita

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      Eric Dierker 2 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      A wonderful edition to this series. Again you are too humble in answering these questions, a little more braggadociousness is in order. (yes that is a word I just made up)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Good morning Sally and thanks for the visit. I'm a little bit different, my friend, so my answer is not going to be the norm. I don't have the time to file those reports and honestly, I just don't care that much about the online earnings. It's all about priorities and DMCA reports are not my priority. Is it worth the effort? I don't think so but again, that's based on my priorities. :)

      Have a great week, Sally.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Manatita, the cold is still with us. My hands are shaking while I type this...but it's a good day to be alive, so forward we go.

      Thank you my friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Eric, I love the new word, and I'll work on practicing it, but no promises. :) Thanks, buddy, and have a great week.

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      Linda Lum 2 years ago from Washington State, USA

      Great questions, and even better answers. (How many years do you think this series will go on?)

      I learn so much from you, not just writing, but your perspective on life. Have a great Monday!

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      Michelle Scoggins 2 years ago from Fresno, CA

      Great message this week Bill. I agree that HP is a great community where the benefits well exceed the monetary payouts. I would have probably quit long ago if it wasn't for these group of phenomenal friends. So I really identify with Anna and Bob as I fluctuate between wondering if I am good enough or if I should just quit writing. But I hear what you say about the love for writing and that is what keeps me going - thank you for that snippet. Have a great week friend and keep them coming.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Carb. That's a sweet thing for you to say. How many years? That's up to all of you. :)

      Happy Monday my friend.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Michelle. If you quit writing I'm going to be pissed. Just warning you right now. :) Keep working and keep believing.

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      bradmasterOCcal 2 years ago from Orange County California

      billybuc

      Happy Thanksgiving, and early Merry Christmas. I don't want to be late as these events move swiftly these days.

      My question is on the high standards demanded by hp of the hubbers. The hp guidelines are numerous, and chilling, yet when they flag a hub for missing their hp quality mark in the sand, they use a generic computer message.

      How does one go about guessing what the specific problem that they need to corret to make their hub worthy of the hp quality Requirement?

      This is like trying to satisfy the public school common core requirements.

      While hp wants quality writing, they lack the specific feedback to help the author make the proper changes. This is especially important when you write a several thousand word hub across dozens of text capsules.

      Where in that volume of writing is the problem that generated the qualtiy alert from hp?

      In my estimation, hp quality is procedural rather than substantive in nature. There appears to be no content evaluation in the hp quality flag.

      Thanks

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      Deborah Neyens 2 years ago from Iowa

      Awesome, Bill. You answered my question. Thanks! So I think what I was talking about in my other comment was a motif (the recurring images of clocks). Excellent work, as always. (And, clearly, I'm not so smart, otherwise I wouldn't have needed to ask the question.) : )

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Brad, I'm laughing as I read your question. I'm not laughing at you, but at the absurdity of the HP guidelines. Believe me, I feel you pain. I can, however, give you some guidelines, and I'll do that in the next installment of the Mailbag.

      And Merry Christmas to you and yours. :)

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      Melissa Propp 2 years ago from Minnesota

      Happy Monday! I look forward to your answers each week and you never disappoint. Thanks for always freely giving your advice. It is much appreciated.

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      Buildreps 2 years ago from Europe

      You're right Bill. It's similar as if your mother says you you're intelligent...you're going to doubt even more about yourself. You are surely a good writer! :-)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Exactly, Deb. The recurring images of clocks is most definitely a motif.....I'm glad I could help, but in no way are you "not so smart." :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      And Melissa, every Monday I look forward to having your visit. Thank you and stay warm in Minnesota.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you for the kind words, Buildreps. I'm trying to be.

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      bradmasterOCcal 2 years ago from Orange County California

      billybuc

      Glad to bring some cheer.

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      Heidi Thorne 2 years ago from Chicago Area

      Happy Monday! Yep, we all go through the confidence crisis occasionally. But I have to say that the older I get and the more writing I do, the less that seems to surface. Once people begin to think of writing as communication, instead of "art," some of the low confidence can begin to dissipate. Just sayin'. Have a great week!

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      Dora Isaac Weithers 2 years ago from The Caribbean

      Impressed by your knowledge and your willingness to share. I learn something every time. Thank you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks, Brad! Cheer is needed on this cold Monday.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Heidi, if you're just sayin' then I'm just listenin'. Have a great week my friend, and thank you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I'm glad to hear that, Dora! Thank you so much.

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 2 years ago from Southern Illinois

      Thank's again for all you do to help writers. I guess we all wonder if we are good writers at times. The joy I find in writing outweighs the wondering...

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      There you go, Ruby. As long as that is true then you should keep on writing. Thank you my friend. Tomorrow's hub is for you.

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      Jo Alexis-Hagues 2 years ago from Bedfordshire, U.K

      Bill, I learn something new every Monday. What a following... what a guru!!! Take care , my best always.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Jo! I am blessed with some great friends and followers. Have a wonderful week, my friend.

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      Barb Schindel 2 years ago from Wisconsin

      billybuc, You give the motivation that is needed. The message is loud and clear, each time I read your mailbag and/or your writings. Thank you for an informative Monday.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Bidd Waxx, you are very welcome, and thank you for stopping by. If it's motivation you want, I'm always around. :)

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      John Hansen 2 years ago from Queensland Australia

      A wonderful read once again Bill. Love the questions that keep coming. I am amazed at the number of views and income some hubbers say they were making. I recall one who was complaining because "in the good old days of Hub Pages, before Panda" they were earning $5000 per month and now it is only a fraction of that, another who has had 100,000 views from one hub. I have around 28,000 views total and been here five years and I can't even imagine how anyone could make that much money on Hub Pages. Of course there are those much more knowledgeable than I in the ways of making money writing, so anything's possible. Well answered as always. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving.

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      ArtDiva 2 years ago

      Not ignoring fact you answered a question I posed, but was in for eye surgery this morning, and the "blind lady" can now see again. Another question. I have to assume when posting articles, views come from both inside and outside the HP community? Come from sources out there using a keyword search? I don’t promote using a blog site, and rarely use social media. As stated before, not a professional writer and not familiar with all the “how to” strategies to promote written and literary skills. Your articles are very well written, directed to your audience and engage participation. My articles written very specific to my art, and do not necessarily generate active engagement. With Squidoo, it wasn’t an issue. But if traffic is low, “scores” go down here, and if going below a certain level, what happens? I would like to think others here might find “scores” a little offsetting also. Gives question to what we write. Are we just appealing to the search engine gods?

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      Bill De Giulio 2 years ago from Massachusetts

      Monday's wouldn't be the same without this series. Another great installment Bill. Keep them coming. Have a great week.

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      William Kovacic 2 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA

      A little late getting to the mailbag today, but as they say, "better late than never." Every time I check in I learn something. Thanks again, Teacher.

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      FlourishAnyway 2 years ago from USA

      The information on contests with minimal entry expense is a welcome, useful topic. Thanks for the information.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you. Bill, and I hope your week takes you one step closer to retirement and full-time travel writing.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Bill, you are never late to the Mail Room....we wouldn't dream of starting without you. :) Thanks my friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      You are very welcome, Flourish. I expect to hear from you if you win one.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      ArtDiva, I'll answer in-depth next Monday, but the quick answer is yes, many HP writers are just appealing to the search engine gods. Articles are deemed readable by Google, and if Google doesn't like your article, it can disappear under millions of other search engine entries. Sad but true.

      Thank you for the question.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      John, of course, all we have is the word of these people. I met one who had six million views. She would have no reason to lie, but that doesn't mean she didn't. So the quick answer is I honestly don't know. I know I make money, but nowhere near what I should make considering my output and view numbers.....I'm happy to report that I'm not here for all that, so it's a moot point for me, as it is for you.

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      Linda Crampton 2 years ago from British Columbia, Canada

      I hope you keep the Writer's Mailbag going for a long time, Bill. It's very useful!

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      Faith Reaper 2 years ago from southern USA

      Wow, Bill, the Thanksgiving holiday did not let up on your mailbag from being overstuffed once again with really interesting questions. So true, HP is a wonderful platform to practice writing and in the meantime being blessed beyond measure with getting to know wonderful writers and reading their wonderful work.

      You are always poised and ready to provide excellent answers to all questions posed here.

      Happy Monday and blessings always

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      Devika Primić 2 years ago from Dubrovnik, Croatia

      Great hub from you with a wonderful message. I so agree.

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      Frank Atanacio 2 years ago from Shelton

      23 installments....but who is counting? LOL The how to go about getting a book signing was so valuable for me personally.. thank Sussane for that ..keep the mail flowing my friend..even if the price of stamps continue to rise...:) Frank

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      Maria Magdalena Ruiz O'Farrill 2 years ago from Borikén the great land of the valiant and noble Lord

      Flying around with my butterfly wings I landed on your wise answers. I love to read and gain and this surely comes within your words. Thanks, for giving us strength. I will treasure "the passion outweighs the disappointments".

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Alicia. I hope I do too, because I'm enjoying it greatly.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Happy Monday, Faith. I've always said I have the best online followers and friends....these questions and comments prove it.

      Have a fabulous and blessed day my friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you DDE! I appreciate you being here.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks, Frank. That postage is getting expensive, buddy, and it's cold outside, but I'll keep delivering the mail.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Maria my friend, I hope you are well. Keep flying and keep being passionate. Thank you for being here dear lady.

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      Cristen Iris 2 years ago from Boise, Idaho

      I'm always comforted by the questions I see each week. I'm so happy to know that I'm not the only roller coaster riding, neurotic writer out there.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      iris, you have a lot of company...A LOT OF COMPANY. Rest-assured, everything you are feeling is normal, and it gets better in time. Thanks for saying what so many are feeling.

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      Zulma Burgos-Dudgeon 2 years ago from United Kingdom

      I can certainly endorse the benefits of joining a writers' group. I'm currently in one and the feedback you get is gold. The really understand the type of critique you want and are happy to give it to you in a supportive manner. It's also a good way to network and get your work noticed. And you definitely benefit by hearing the various styles other writers have. It's also a great way to socialize with like-minded people.

      I have a question that maybe you can include in your mailbag. How do you encourage someone who has writing talent to pursue it more seriously?

      Love this series and looking forward to next week's installment.

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      breakfastpop 2 years ago

      Dear billy,

      I started writing on HubPages 5 years ago. I can honestly say that it is one of the great pleasures of my life. I write less often now, but I look forward to the whole process. I don't care about the money, but I do love this entire community of writers. I feel like they all are part of my family. I also love this series. Voted up, useful, interesting and awesome.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you, Zulma! All great reasons for joining a writer's group. I'm glad you find is so beneficial. As for your question, I'll have the answer for you on Monday.

      Have a brilliant Wednesday my friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Breakfastpop, I concur with everything you said. if I was here for the money I'd be the biggest fool in the state of Washington. :) Have a great day my friend, and thank you.

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      Ann Carr 2 years ago from SW England

      You're so good at doing these. Never thought about theme and motif; that was a good question. I'll remember that by thinking of motif on material, a repeated pattern.

      Part of the interest of this series is the fact that fellow writers come up with all these questions. We get to know how they think, what they want to do and we realise that we all have the same problems, the same worries, when we write. That's reassuring.

      Finally, we have our landline and our broadband back. You don't know how much you rely on them until they're not there, like so many other things! I now have so much to read and to catch up on.

      Enjoy your Wednesday, bill!

      Ann

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ann, good morning, and you are so right about the questions and how they aid all of us.

      As for losing broadband, it only happened to us once here, for five days, three years ago, and that was almost painful for this writers. I'm glad you're back.

      Now, I guess you better get busy reading. :)

      bill

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      Chitrangada Sharan 2 years ago from New Delhi, India

      Amazing questions and answers! Thanks for sharing another useful Q-A session and it really helped.

      Enjoyed this one too!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I'm glad it helped you, ChitrangadaSharan. Thank you for reading it.

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      Ann1Az2 2 years ago from Orange, Texas

      I never knew what a motif was until now. Remember the black cat in the old movie with Bella Lugosi and Boris Karloff? I think this would also be an example.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ann, it would be a perfect example. Don't feel bad about not knowing what it is....I had forgotten and had to do a little research. LOL Thanks for the great example.

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      Dianna Mendez 2 years ago

      I think I missed an installment and will have to go back and pick it up. I hate to miss out on important lessons. Hubpages is a wonderful community and I am so glad to be a part of it, especially with creative and excellent writers such as you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you so much, Dianna. I agree about this community. I love it here, and you are a big reason for that.

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      Victor W. Kwok 2 years ago from Hawaii

      All I can say, Bill, is that I'm not likely to quit anytime soon.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      vkwok, that's music to my ears. Keep on keeping on, my friend, and thanks.

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      Deb Hirt 2 years ago from Stillwater, OK

      I sure learned a few things here. Thanks so much!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I'm glad, Deb! Thank you!

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