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Prop 8 - How Far Will This Go

Updated on November 8, 2008

What is prop 8? The official title: "Eliminates Right of Same-Sex Couples to Marry" Personally I think its the perfect example of how dumb we have become as a nation. We have this mentality that evil people have a desire to be evil as they do in the movies. If it was as simple as it was on t.v. where evil recognizes itself, and just has a desire to be evil, than it would be great. Its really bad however that we have let ourselves become confused with real life and comic books.

Does evil people who do evil things really do it with nothing but intentions to be evil? Of-course not! Everyone naturally has a desire for their own actions to be what's either best for them.

The t.v. good vs. evil mentality works out really well for the government, whom likes to tell us what is evil. Now don't get me wrong, I am not one of those people who thinks everything is a government conspiracy, but I'm not dumb enough to believe that a suicide bomber is killing himself and hundreds more because he was told he was going to paradise with a bunch of virgins. I also happen to live in Jacksonville nc where there are a bunch of marines who can tell me the real story. Anyway the fact is they are retaliating on us for a reason and we (US citizens) are told only half of the story.

I mean whats the more likely motive? Killing a bunch of people to go to paradise, or your baby got their head bashed in with a boot heel? It's common sense.

What I am getting at here is that no one just has a desire to be evil. They perform actions based on there life experience, or they have a mental disability. Now I ask you? More than half of US population has a.d.d. depression, anxiety, or some type of mental disability. So why am I called an asshole when I say that homosexuality is a mental disorder.

homosexuality is obviously un-natural, and obviously not what nature intended. Yet somehow I am treated just as if I am the evil one when I speak against someone who is gay. Oh I'm so sorry, I guess I shouldn't care when my four year old See's two dudes kissing.

It's not if the US will start to allow same sex marriage, its when. All because we are scared to hurt someones feelings. It's o.k. for two dudes to go kissing each other in front of kids but you better not smoke weed! How does that make sense? It's ridiculous!

Do I hate gay people? No, the fact is just like everyone else I have a gay family member whom I love very much, and I love her "partner" but surprise surprise, she has struggled with depression and drug abuse. Just because I dis-agree with someone doesn't mean that I have to hate them.

Instead of wasting our time and money debating about something that we already know is un-natural. How about trying to find the problem and fixing it. If I have a lamp cord that want fit into the wall, should I try to act as if its just the same as the other lamps and jam it into the wall anyway? I would get the sh@t shocked out of me if I did, obviously I would seek the help of an expert or replace the lamp.

So how far are we going to take this political correctness? Should we not discriminate against rapist, and murders? Don't be to quick to laugh at that comment because it's already happened? One of O.J. Simpson's arresting officers made a racist comment 15 years ago, so even though there was all but a signed confession on the crime seen he was let go.

I can be called narrow minded or whatever anyone likes. The fact is, whoever is dumb enough to believe that two guys making out is ok, and I am the asshole for recognizing a problem has my sympathy!

I apologize for using a little common sense.


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      knslms 9 years ago from North Carolina

      We must because last I heard the backdoor was designed by nature to give rather than recieve. I define natural as what nature intended.

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      Jason Menayan 9 years ago from San Francisco

      Yes, it sure is. I suppose it depends on what your definition of "natural" is. If it means that natural means it must lead to procreation, then I suppose we define the word natural differently.

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      knslms 9 years ago from North Carolina

      Obviosly you are taking it seriously or you wouldnt be here. So you mean to tell me that it is natural for people of the same gender to have sex???

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      Jason Menayan 9 years ago from San Francisco

      knslms: Lots of people say it's not supposed to go in the mouth either, but that doesn't seem to stop people, does it? When you start a campaign to condemn everything except penile-vaginal intercourse as being "unnatural", then I'll take your argument seriously.

      tony: The definition of marriage has changed many, many times throughout history. The fact that something was not recognized in the past is not an argument for why it shouldn't be recognized now. And gays partnering with each other is not causing global warming, terrorism, or all the other problems you mention - the fact that you're so willing to conflate them doesn't speak well of your abilities to reason.

      The case for marriage equality is not one of political correctness (if you haven't noticed, it's PC to state loudly and publicly that you're AGAINST gay marriage - hence every viable candidate doing the cowardly thing and doing just that). In fact, the only reasons I hear from the "no" camp are "it wasn't legal before" or "my preacher told me the Bible was against it". I don't find either argument particularly compelling.

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      knslms 9 years ago from North Carolina

      Thanks for adding Tony. I was not aware of the ruling in 73 but I still think it has something to do with mental issues though its just attention for many.

      Can someone tell me how to stop adsense from displaying those gay ads on my article?

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      tony0724 9 years ago from san diego calif

      To Livelonger you obviously do not watch the news much ,I think we are pretty near extinction because humankind as a whole Is digging our grave ever faster ,global warming ,terrorism Russia Is flexing Its muscles again and greed and duplicity are alive and well . By the way the AMA In 1973 overturned the prognosis that homosexuality was not a mental disorder . Oh and by the way the definition of marriage has Anglo French origins dating from the 14th century It Is defined as the state of being united to a person of the OPPISITE SEX as a husband or wife In a consensual and contractual relationship . But I guess we have to rewrite that definition now as well as the laws of nature to be politically correct . Yes I agree common sense Is completely In short supply now

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      knslms 9 years ago from North Carolina

      I mean you put it where nothing is supposed to go.

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      Jason Menayan 9 years ago from San Francisco


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      knslms 9 years ago from North Carolina

      O.K. so that rules out what?? It's not because you can't reproduce that makes it un-natural, its that their is no way to perform the action.

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      Jason Menayan 9 years ago from San Francisco

      It actually has been studied, extensively, with the original hypothesis that it was an illness. Decades of scientific inquiry had concluded, in the 1970s, that it is not a sickness, it is a natural variant of the human condition, that does not need "curing." (Again, not everyone needs to be able to reproduce, and some of us are happy with the hand we were dealt since the human species is nowhere near extinction and our reproductive abilities are not necessary for human survival).

      As to your final comment, you are beating a dead horse. Homosexuality is completely natural to those who are homosexual. Why not educate yourself by reading this:

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      knslms 9 years ago from North Carolina

      What you are not understanding is that I am saying that homosexuallity may be due to a chemical emballance just the same as deppression is.

      I am very hetro and have battled with depression, once that was combined with degenerative disc desease I developed a problem with pain killers. I am not saying that all gays are depressed or drug abusers.

      I didn't say that homosexuallity is the same as pedophilia, I said that they are both things that should be studied as an illness instead of what we have choosen to do with the two.

      What exactly does the knowledge that the earth revolves around the sun done for us besides waste money? There should be a balance of common sense, and technical studies.

      If you can't see that homosexuality is un-natural than your head is on backwards.

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      Jason Menayan 9 years ago from San Francisco

      Homosexuality is not unnatural. It is very much a part of human nature, and has been observed in human populations since the dawn of history. Furthermore, it's been observed in over 1500 species as well. For whatever reason, and no one really understands why, a small minority of people (and animals, apparently) have a homosexual orientation. The problem is that some people, working off incomplete information and in a rush to make a judgment, decide that it's "immoral" and "unnatural" and choose to change laws to reflect their stance.

      As for your family member who suffers from depression and drug problems, I have no idea why, but I can say with certainty that it has nothing to do with her homosexuality, except maybe the stress of having to deal with bigotry and lack of acceptance from her social milieu. I am gay and am not depressed, don't use drugs, and don't drink. Should I conclude that heterosexuality is a sickness because so many heterosexuals use drugs, drink themselves to death and are depressed?

      If you can't see that homosexuality is different from pedophilia, where a young person is preyed upon by an older person, you've got your head on backwards. I strongly suggest you read the studies that educated professionals have made with respect to homosexuality, pedophilia, rape, etc instead of pulling out analogies and theories out of your bottom.

      And please don't pretend that this is just "common sense." If we relied on "common sense" alone and ignored the scientific method as you have, then we'd probably think the sun revolves around the earth. I mean, common sense says that it looks like it does!

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      knslms 9 years ago from North Carolina

      Just because I choose to believe differently doesn't mean that I don't love my family! Your trying to turn my beliefs on same sex marraige into the same thing as racism, and no matter how much you would like it to be the same it is far far different!

      You think that gays are depressed because they are gay, I think they are gay because of depression. True depression you are born with, I'm not talking about being deppressed because your dog died. Is it so far fetched to believe that someone is attracted to the same sex due to a chemical imbalance?

      Ignorance by the way is defined as lack of knowledge on a particular subject, not being narrow minded, which I'm not because like I said common sense tells you that nature didn't intend for two guys to have sexual relations.

      how is a pedophile less evil than a homosexual? Thats what I am asking if you want me to think that homosexuality is normal than whats next? Pedophiles, rapist should we not discriminate against them either. Do you think that a pedophile just wakes up one morning and decides to go rape a child? No, they have mental problems that we should try to fix instead of locking them up and considering them low forms of life!

      At last, my kids don't play those video games, as a matter of fact my daughter is very beautiful and very capable of being a model or whatever she wants, but I would never allow my daughter to be in that type of situation.

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      somelikeitscott 9 years ago

      What you call "common sense" some would call "ignorance" - I applaud you for taking a stand on what you feel is right. Bravo - isn't it great that we live in America and we can shout out (or misspell) our opinions all over the Internet?

      But please stop all ready with the whole "two guys making out" in front of children business. I am not a believer in PDA (Public Displays of Affection) by gays or straights. Keep it in your home, please.

      And spare us the whole, "I have a relative that is gay and I love them" deal. If you really loved them, you would want them to be happy and would realize that most of that depression and drug abuse comes from gays trying to be straight for the likes of you to keep you happy, making themselves miserable.

      I was raised in a two parent home with one older brother who is now married with children. I've never been abused, depressed or been addicted to anything. My father and I have a great relationship so you can rule that theory about us gay men having bad relationships with our fathers out here too. I have been with the same man for twenty years in a completely monogamous relationship - can the 60% of straight marriages that end in divorce say the same? I think not.

      As we're all aware, the old adage is true - "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one."

      Best of luck keeping your children away from the scary kissing in public gays. Though I think parents should spend more of their time keeping their kids away from the evils of the Internet and all of the straight pedophiles lurking about, stopping their kids from playing violent video games and I think parents spend more time saying "no" to their kids every once in awhile so we don't continually raise generation after generation of kids who have all of this self entitlement anbut not the education because they think they're going to be the next American Idol.

      And by the way, you have MY sympathy.


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