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Frugal Car Maintenance Tips

Updated on October 7, 2013

The Cold, Hard Facts of Car Repair

Let me know if this sounds familiar. You go to work each day, living from paycheck to paycheck. You diligently put a little something away from each paycheck, preparing for the holiday season so you’ll have something extra for gifts. Or you sock a little something away for that vacation you have been planning on taking in the summer.

All is going according to plan; you have a few hundred saved and you are feeling pretty darn good about your efforts. You get up one morning, rush out to the car to go to work, turn the key and….nothing!

Yes, you are facing the dreaded car repair, and you know what that means.

Certified car mechanics charge between $50-$100 per hour to do repairs, and that is just the cost of labor. Toss in the price of a new car part and it is rare that you can leave the repair shop for less than $300. There goes the vacation, and there goes the Christmas presents!

Welcome to the world of frugality! More and more people are turning to frugal living to cut down on expenses, and one area that is ripe for frugal living is car maintenance and repair.

Wait you say! I don’t know the first thing about working on a vehicle. What can I do?

Well, you can do what so many of us are learning to do, and that is work on your own car. No, we aren’t talking about replacing the transmission; that is a highly technical skill and requires much more knowledge than most of us have. However, it is amazing in this day and age how many people pay a mechanic to replace a battery, or radiator, or even a darn turn signal! These are all simple procedures that require little or no maintenance skill, and yet most people choose to pay through the nose and help their car mechanic go on vacation.

Frugal living gurus, this article is for you!

Bev's brother working on his distributor
Bev's brother working on his distributor | Source

The First Thing You Need to Know

Now that I have at least grabbed your attention, let’s move on to the actual buying of the part. Let’s say I’ve convinced you to give it a go; now you need some basic information, right? Where do you go for the best price on a replacement part?

Remember the tv show “The Family Feud”…..the number one answer is…..your local salvage yard!

Some of us fondly remember going with our dads to the local junkyard. There we would walk by his side, past rusted out hulks, in search of that 15-inch wheel for a 1960 Dodge. This often required stops at three or four junkyards, but eventually we would find that wheel, and then we would hustle home to install it.

Well let me tell you, junkyards ain’t junkyards any longer. Now they are called salvage yards, and there are approximately 17,000 in the United States alone, and they are a haven for any car owner. They are the Dollar Store of car maintenance, and this is where you will learn to shop.

Reputable salvage yards now have computer inventories, and the good ones all have warranties on every part that they sell, and those parts come at a price that is discounted thirty to fifty percent from the price you would pay at a dealership, auto parts store, or auto repair shop. In other words, they are Frugal Heavens!

What’s that you say? There are no salvage yards in your town? Never fear because most of them will ship the part to you at a reasonable fee, and you will still save big bucks compared to the price of a new part.

Salvage yards are of two varieties. You can take your tools to a “You Pull It” salvage yard, and pull the part you need from the cars or trucks on their lot, or you can pay a little more and have the yard workers pull the part for you. Either way you are still saving money.

Know your vehicle and problems will become apparent early
Know your vehicle and problems will become apparent early | Source

Now for the Next Step

Yes, we have now come to the point in this lesson that requires you to step out of your comfort zone and do the work yourself.

When in doubt, consult the internet. Go to the search engine of your choice and type in “how to replace a battery.” You will be inundated with information and step-by-step instructions and YouTube videos on how to do exactly that.

Again, I am not suggesting you change a transmission or a clutch by yourself. I am, however, suggesting that any of you can change a battery, radiator, car door, bumper, headlights, and/or audio unit by yourself, and all you need is a screwdriver, socket wrench, and willingness.

Do you think I’m kidding? My wife, the beautiful Beverly, replaces our brake pads. She has no training in car maintenance, but she does have determination and an aversion to paying someone $75 for labor for an hour job that she can do. I was raised by a father who knew practically nothing about engines, but that did not keep him from learning, and as he learned he taught me, so that today I refuse to pay someone for simple maintenance. It almost seems sinful to do so.

I can hear you murmuring. I know you are doubting me right now. Fine, let me show you how easy some of these jobs are.

Replacing a bumper video

Replacing a Rear Bumper

You are backing out of the grocery store parking lot when suddenly you hear a crunch. You take a look at your bumper and it is caved in. What to do?

1. Go to the salvage yard and get a replacement bumper

2. Take the license plate off of the old bumper, and disconnect or remove the wires leading to the license plate light.

3. Remove bolts and nuts from one end of the bumper while someone holds it up.

4. Remove bolts and nuts from the other end, and have your friend put the old bumper to the side.

5. Put the new bumper on and begin tightening the bolts and nuts.

6. Check to make sure the bumper is aligned ¾ of an inch from the body of the car.

7. Finish tightening bolts, replace license plate and wires for plate lighting.

8. You are done!

Total time spent: one hour maximum! Total money spent: the price of a rear bumper at the salvage yard; say $75. You just saved yourself in the neighborhood of $250 for an hour of effort.

Replacing a car battery

Replacing a Battery

Is there anyone who does not know how to do this? If so, here you go!

1. Go to the salvage yard, with a voltage regulator, and find a battery that will fit your car.

2. Unfasten the terminals on the old battery and lift it out.

3. Replace with new battery and fasten the terminals.

4. You are done!

Total time spent: fifteen minutes! Total money spent: maybe $25 for the replacement battery. You just saved over $100 by doing it yourself.

Replacing a headlight

Replacing a Headlight Bulb

If you don’t know how to do this by now, then it is high time you learn. No tools necessary!

1. Check your owner’s manual to find out what bulb you need. Go to the auto parts store and pick one up; they are so inexpensive there is no reason to go to a salvage yard for this.

2. Raise the hood of your car and locate the back end of the headlight. You should see three wires sticking out of the unit. Detach the clip holding the unit and pull it out.

3. Remove the bulb from the unit; it will either pull straight out, or you’ll have to turn it a bit to release it.

4. Take the new bulb out of the package; don’t touch the bulb itself as skin oils might make it fail prematurely.

5. Replace bulb in unit, then attach unit back in place.

6. You are done!

Total time spent: ten minutes! Total money spent: maybe five bucks! You just saved the cost of an hour of labor, unless you have a mechanic who will not charge you a full hour, and good luck finding one of those.

My wife says if she can do it then anyone can.
My wife says if she can do it then anyone can. | Source

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Many More That You Can Do

As I stated earlier, we do our own brake pads and you can too. You can also change any of the other bulbs or fuses. How about wiper blades? How about changing your oil? How about replacing a car door, and even a windshield? None of those I just mentioned will take you longer than an hour, and all require a minimum of tools.

Frugal thinking requires stepping outside of your comfort zone but it is oh, so worth it!

The next time something minor goes wrong with your car, ask yourself if you would like to save $75 on labor and do it yourself. What could you do with an extra $75? To my way of thinking, $75 is two tanks of gas for your car, and two tanks of gas will get you well on your way to your next vacation.

2012 William D. Holland (aka billybuc)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Beckie, that was butt-kissing at its finest! LOL

      Have a great weekend my friend, and love to you too!

      billy

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      Shining Irish Eyes 4 years ago from Upstate, New York

      I am attempting to catch up on the 400 hubs I missed over the holiday break. I figured I would get the best out of the way first.....LOL How's that for butt kissing?

      Love, Beckie

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Beckie, what are you doing???? You must have spent the better part of two hours reading my stuff. Sheez, girl, go out and trip over something, will ya? You must have something better to do than read my rubbish about car repair. LOL

      But don't think for a minute that I don't appreciate everything that you do.

      love,

      billy

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      Shining Irish Eyes 4 years ago from Upstate, New York

      Great article and I can attest to the usefulness of the internet. It got me through a roof repair. Although it doesn't tell how a klutz should properly come down off a ladder. My way is to hit the ground face first.

      I can change a tire, check my oil and change it and change my battery, although the battery changing doesn't happen very often. My brother is a very good teacher. Other than that, my way seems to work rather well for me. I kick the ever living hell out of it and yell four lettered words until someone who knows something about auto's comes along and takes pity on me.

      Regards,

      Beckie XO

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sha, you are exactly right! Not difficult at all. I would guess that 50% of all car repair is not difficult...and that's a lot of money rolled up in that 50%.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hey Becky!

      I don't know any other way to live than paycheck to paycheck! I'd probably go into shock if I had disposable income. LOL check this site out on the antenna...it's pretty simple.....http://www.ehow.com/how_2049916_replace-car-antenn...

      Thank you as always and Happy New Year!

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      Rfordin 4 years ago from Florida

      Now that I'm a homeowner I can say I've become an OK plumber thanks to Youtube and the 'net. I must say I have not yet attemtpted to become a car mechanic BUT it is in the near future.

      Your first paragraph sums up my life quite nicely "living from paycheck to paycheck", saving for vacations and Christmas presents etc. As I can only imagine many others do the same. Living frugaly is the only choice my family has now a days....any tips on replacing a car antenna (that will be my first DIY car project - as it doesn't require to much grime, tools, and knowledge of the innards of a car).

      I might add the feeling of replacing something yourself as well as saving a couple bucks (sometimes MUCH more) is like no other!

      Thanks for sharing with us billybuc!!!

      ~Becky

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      Shauna L Bowling 4 years ago from Central Florida

      Great hub, Bill. I've done the light bulb and battery thing. I even overhauled a carburetor on a Toyota a long time ago. It wasn't hard - just lay the parts out in the order in which they come off, then reverse the process with the new parts!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lyric, thank you for a great comment that perfectly illustrates this hub. I appreciate you my young friend. Have a very Merry Christmas and here's hoping 2013 is a great year for all of us.

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      Richard Ricky Hale 4 years ago from West Virginia

      Bill, so fitting that I come back to this article. I had saved from Christmas since September and it all went on my truck two weeks ago. Nearly a thousand dollars later, here we are. Through it all, it did give me two weeks to come up with some money and I made it through. A vehicle is so important. You have to keep them up and running. Don't let things go on your car because it can cause more problems and then you have two or more issues. Luckily for me, I shopped early but had to cut many off my X-Mas list. Should have been more prepared though. Wise words and information as always Bill. Hope you have a wonderful holiday and it is a blessing to have such an inspirational friend. Looking forward to 2013!!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Rich, you are so right. I won't get the warranty for that reason. It comes as no surprise that you have done all these things. Just another reason for me to respect you.

      Thanks buddy; hope you are feeling good and seeing great now.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Made! At least you wash the car, which is, in a way, car maintenance. :) Have a fantastic day in the cold north.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Irish! It's good to see you again! Having another half that does car work is a great move on your part. :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Maybe some day, Spy! Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Martin, then I wouldn't bother buying a socket set. LOL Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Linda, indeed! :)

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      Madeleine Salin 4 years ago from Finland

      People do most of the things themselves where I come from, but I don't do anything else than wash my car, LOL! I'm leaving the rest to Magnus or my sister's husband, who repairs cars all the time. This hub is very useful and I'm sure we could save more money by doing more things ourselves. Now I'm off to work. Have a wonderful day my friend! :)

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      Suzanne Ridgeway 4 years ago from Dublin, Ireland

      Greetings Bill,

      Votes up to Bev, way to go for the female drivers. Thanks Bill for a really useful write on simple cost cutting in an industry known for over pricing - generally! As my other half is a car mechanic (honest and talented I may add!) I know certain things now as a newbie driver of a few yrs but loved your step by step for light bulb replacement, something so many of us don't know (me included) but do now!!!!

      Excellent tips as always my friend! Up all the way!!

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      IAmForbidden 4 years ago from Neverland - where children never grow up.

      i dont have a car yet --- but who knows?

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      Rich 4 years ago from Kentucky

      Bill - I've done much of what you've mentioned. Starters can be a bear to replace, especially since a car on a rack makes access so much easier. The basics are fairly simple. However, I did have a Turbo VW Beetle that was a nightmare to replace the driver's side headlight. You almost had to take off the fender (which probably would have been easier) to get to it. The only caution I might add here is that if your car is under warranty, be careful of the parts you use. Dealerships are known for refusing to honor warranties due to substandard parts creating problems, or so they say. Wear items generally are not covered under most warranties after and initial break in period, but, again, if they can be used in any way to void warranty work (of which the manufacturer always pays the dealership less to do) they will do it to make a greater profit margin. Great job, my friend!

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      Martin Kloess 4 years ago from San Francisco

      Thank you for this. No longer own a car.

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      Linda Crist 4 years ago from Central Virginia

      LOL... the things we do for love and loyalty.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Rajan, good to hear. That's how I feel when I read one of your hubs about a food I've actually eaten. LOL Thank you Rajan! You are appreciated!

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      Rajan Singh Jolly 4 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA.

      Bill, this is one more area I'm frugal at. Been doing such minor repairs and replacements ever since I was in college. Initially learnt all this by observing the mechanics and then carrying them out when needed.

      Great job here my friend and feels nice to relate to this hub.

      Voted up and useful.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cyndi, you hold onto that man! He's already saved you thousands of dollars. LOL Besides those mundane facts, he loves you, so that's a pretty good bonus!

      Thanks lil' Sis! Hope you are well. Sending hugs your way.

      bill

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      Cynthia Sageleaf 4 years ago from Western NC

      LOL...I am SO LUCKY that my hubby is a mechanical engineer. He even does body work! Take a car to the mechanic!? Pfft. The only time I've ever taken a car to the mechanic was when we had a Subaru and the whole rear-end had to come off "yesterday" because of a faulty wheel bearing. It kept going bad and we had to keep it under warranty - it had to be repaired 5 times before we gave up and sold the car. So, we didn't end up paying for those repairs. LOL. Everything else? You betcha...he'll even replace the windshield when it gets cracked. Oh, that boy is so special....

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Audrey, thank you. I hope you are well my friend, and a very Merry Christmas to you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Paula, you are rolling in good fortune....and look at you with the new profile picture! Looking good my friend!

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      Paula 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Can't get much more frugal than having, not one, but two mechanically talented sons!! What a bargain........UP+++

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      Audrey Hunt 4 years ago from Nashville Tn.

      A valuable article Billy. And absolutely essential. I wish I would have taken an auto mechanics class at some point. Thanks so much and up, useful, awesome, interesting and sharing.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ruchira, I'm a big fan of Cub Scouts. Kids learn a great deal in that organization. Good for you, encouraging hands on. These kinds of skills will always be needed.

      Thank you Ruchira!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ruby, there is great benefit if you have a son who can do it all. Hooray!

      Thank you and again, Merry Christmas!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Sherry; having a husband doing it is just as good as doing it yourself. :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Linda, you have outdone yourself with this comment, considering your heart wasn't in it and you were just doing it out of loyalty. LOL Thank you and to hell with the bumper; it gives your car character. :)

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      Ruchira 4 years ago from United States

      Interesting hub, bill.

      I was brought up in a country where labor is cheap ( India) thus, did not know all this. However, wanna train my kid to be hands on things thus, will give this a try.

      We enrolled in Cub Scout so that we also learn with him :)

      Passing it on to my husband. Many votes as useful and interesting.

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 4 years ago from Southern Illinois

      My son is one who does his own car maintenance. His father owned a dealership and my son loved getting his hands dirty, starting at an early age. I wasn't happy at the time but, today i see the benefit of learning. Another great ' how to ' hub..

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      Sherry Hewins 4 years ago from Sierra Foothills, CA

      So far I haven't had to learn how to fix my car, minor stuff like you described my husband usually does it... eventually. I have replaced my own battery, and I can change a tire. Thanks for the tips, I'll keep them in mind if I ever have to maintain my own car.

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      Linda Crist 4 years ago from Central Virginia

      OMG Bill, I hate to admit that my battery and bumper need to be replaced. The batter is running on empty and the bumper has been beat to death. I think my headlamps are okay because I see a lot that I don't want to see. Thanks for the tips but if you don't mind, when it comes time to replace them, I'm just going to call you and have you ship me the arts. You're the expert and I'm just no good at this stuff. I don't know how you write so well and fix cars too. :-)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL...yes you do, Melissa!

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      Melissa Propp 4 years ago from Minnesota

      I always have snow coming.....till June! :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Melissa, I swear to God, if I can do this stuff then anyone can. Salvage yards really are a great option to save money. Have fun shopping! :) Thank you....I think you have snow coming your way.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nancy, that is a very good point. Any part that is monitored by the ECU is much more difficult to replace.

      Thank you as always for the visit.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Theresa, I love that your father took you to the salvage yard. What a great lesson for kids; mine did the same thing.

      Merry Christmas to you my friend, and thank you!

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      Melissa Propp 4 years ago from Minnesota

      Well, I think you have come up with an area of frugality that I could more closely examine! Between my husband and myself, we can change a tire, a headlight, and maybe some spark plugs. But, I never thought too much about doing the real maintenance myself....and I definitely never thought to go to a salvage yard to get the part. These are excellent ideas!

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      Nancy Yager 4 years ago from Hamburg, New York

      I am very lucky to have a family member who is a mechanic and car dealer. But as our cars become more and more sophisticated and computer-run, it becomes more difficult to fix the smaller issues yourself.

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      Theresa Ast 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      Great Hub! As we each turned 12 my father started taking us to salvage yards and teaching us how to do minor work on the car. It has stood me in good stead all these many years and saved a boatload of money. Terrific advice and step by step directions. :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jo, tinkering is a good start! :) Thank you for the visit; you are always welcome here.

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      Jo Alexis-Hagues 4 years ago from Bedfordshire, U.K

      This look like some great advice, I have very little to do with the car, my husband however does a little tinkering now and again. This is very useful, running a car can be a very expensive business.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dwachira, I understand about living on a teacher's salary. Often our actions are dictated by circumstances. Best of luck to you with your maintenance and Happy Holidays.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Stephanie, my pleasure. Salvage yards are my new best friends. :) Good luck on the repairs.

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      stephanieb27 4 years ago from United States

      This hub is very timely! My husband's truck failed the safety inspection and we need to fix some things. We've been discussing the costs of the parts. I completely forgot about checking out the salvage yard, thank you!!! :)

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      [ Danson Wachira ] 4 years ago from Nairobi, Kenya

      Hi Bill,

      This is such a useful look at car frugality, my little teaching paycheck does not allow my family to enjoy the luxury of more than one car, and even when i noted how much we were spending on mechanics, i had to go for a short course in mechanic. We can choose how we want to live but the situations we are in dictates. Very useful tips you have shared here, small actions can make a really big difference. Voted up.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Tips, I'm glad you agree. Your point about doing the job faster than it takes to make an appointment is true. And I love the feeling of completing a job and knowing I just saved $75. That warms my heart! :) Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mary, your point is a good one; the old cars are much easier to work on than the newer ones. I don't think people know how easy it is to do basic repair. I knew nothing but that didn't stop me from learning.

      Thanks Mary! Have a great day!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Believe me, Deb, if I can do this stuff then anyone who is willing can do it. Thanks for the visit.

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      Deb Hirt 4 years ago from Stillwater, OK

      This is definite food for thought. It is also a simple matter to remove the inside of the car door to make repairs in there, too, like a broken window or repair the window crank.

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      tipstoretireearly 4 years ago from New York

      Doing a car repair myself is so satisfying. It often takes less time than is needed to schedule a repair with a garage and then wait for it to be done. All the "how-to" videos available from the web for free make it easy to learn. And I can definitely find better things to do with the extra money than pay $75 an hour to a mechanic. The best tip in this hub is to order parts from far-away junkyards and have them shipped. Voted up!

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      Mary Craig 4 years ago from New York

      This isn't just frugal Bill, its smart! Why give up all that money for someone to spend a few minutes switching out a battery....of course there's a learning curve but there's always a learning curve in life.

      I'm lucky because my husband's been a car guy all his life though its easier to work on his '39 Ford then it is our 2010 Chrysler Van!

      Voted up, useful, and interesting.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Randi; seems kind of tame after my Jesus hub yesterday. LOL I was bored writing this one.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Michelle; greatly appreciated as always.

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      Michelle Liew 4 years ago from Singapore

      The simple things can be done without having to spend lots of money on them, like replacing a bumper or headlight. This is great and will be useful for many! Sharing.

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      Randi Benlulu 4 years ago from Mesa, AZ

      Thank you for all this useful info. I have done some of the work on my cars or have had friends who have helped me and the price difference is ridiculous! This shows a really great and doable way to save money! Up+, my friend!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Good morning Janine and thank you! Tell your dad I said hello and I salute him. :) As always, i so appreciate you being here each and every time.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Carol, you are always first in line when I post. I truly do appreciate that my friend. As for getting under the hood....it's not for everyone and that's for sure. I love your story about the Dihatsu, and I have no idea how to spell that either. LOL Thank you!

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      Janine Huldie 4 years ago from New York, New York

      My dad would love this, because he has worked on and with cars all his life. He even has helped me so many times,w hen minor repairs and oil changes need to be done and am so sharing your article with him. Thanks for all the wonderful tips and do very much agree that you can safe tons of money doing your own repairs here. Have of course voted way up and shared all over!!

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      carol stanley 4 years ago from Arizona

      I love all this but will never get under the hood. My husband does a lot of fixing and repairing. Just off the subject...We bought a little Dihatsu (sp) years ago at a salvage yard for 2500...It was a few years old and that car never gave us a minute of problems, except routine stuff. I painted the car bright colors and it was a delivery car for my gift basket biz. Just had to tell you that Bill. I admire people willing to do the work and if they don't know how find a way. I still congratulate Bev for changing the brake pads...Never will forget that. Great HUB