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Are you better off than you were four years ago? - ranting away.

Updated on August 20, 2012


It has been a while since I have stopped long enough to put some of my frustrations to ink.


I really don’t know where to start sometimes. The Political Season is full bore now, and we are getting ever so close to that very important date – Nov 6th. A date that will determine the course this nation will take. That being, we continue as we have for the last 6 plus years, with a stale economy and a dismal outlook or I pray it will be a moment in time where we can all look back and see that day as when we took back our Country, and gave it back to the people.


Okay, that may sound a little dramatic. But, you know, I can still look back to when Ronald Reagan took the office and made his promises to us. I watched him deliver them. I have a warm and fuzzy feeling as I reminisce on those days. He took office with double digit unemployment, double digit inflation and depressing times. In a matter of months, we saw our economy boom. The housing market exploded. Good time had returned.


Actually, this is not where I was heading with this hub, but I kind of got on a tangent. What really led me to start this hub is when I read how we NOW have over 100,000,000 United States citizens that are dependent upon some form of government hand-out. That is 1/3 or our population. I’m not talking about our Social Security or Medicare programs. Those are programs that we all paid into and we are “supposed” to get them back. I am talking about Government Programs that are supplying aid in the form of welfare. Food Stamps alone is hovering over 46 million right now. Amazingly, it has doubled since Obama has taken office. Also, to boot, it was paid for by 49% of the population that is paying taxes. The other 51% do not pay into any of this.


One has to wonder, WHAT in the world is going on? This is not the way our Nation should be running right now. I cannot help but to believe that this is nothing more than an extremely elaborate scheme by a certain political “party” to secure a segment of our population to “get out and vote” to assure that the hand that is feeding them will not be bitten. This party is campaigning “fear” into many citizens. Biden is telling the black population that Romney will have them back in chains if he gets elected. Medicare will cease and people will die. It really seems to me that he and his boss earnestly WANT our Nation to be divided.


When Obama first took office, he told the republicans they could go along for the ride, but to stay out of the way. Then, has the gall to say they are the party of “no”. Never once has he honestly tried to reach across the aisle to pass a bill that would create jobs or spur our economy in a fashion that would actually work. Yet, he has done nothing but blame others for his failures. It is Bush’s fault, the tsunami’s fault, it is big oil’s fault, or Bush’s fault, the Tea Party’s fault, Europe’s fault or Bush’s fault. (Sorry, I may have been a little cynical there). The point is, Obama made the claims and promises to keep. He has failed.


According to Obama, it was unpatriotic when Bush ran up our debt to $10 trillion, but he has added $5.6 trillion to it in less than four years. I guess he had no choice to do so. Our jobless rate was at 7.8% when he was sworn in, and it is now at 8.3%. Gas prices were around $2 a gallon, and has since hovered around $4 a gallon.


I can go on and on, and I’m not even sure where I was going with all of this, but to basically say this. We do need some hope and change, like we have never needed it before. Now, I know I am not going to convince anyone to think differently, but I feel better letting lose with another rant. Just ask yourself the famous question “Are you better off than you were four years ago”. Please be honest.


I appreciate everyone who took the time to read this.


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      teamrn 4 years ago from Chicago

      I want nothing more than a boom. We're one pay-check away from bankruptcy and I KNOW that we're not alone. I question if Barack Obama has it in him to common respect and lead. But, I know that for the good of our country, I need to be an American, first, and give this man a chance. I'll never forget the 'line; of 'vote for love of country.' We all need to band together and try to heal, put out the olive branch. What did Rodney King say, "Can't we all get along?"

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      Chris Merritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Hi teamrn!

      We are at the mercy of our POTUS at this juncture. He is the one that MUST lead by example. Ronald Reagan was able to rise to such an occassion. He faced some very difficult times with a hostile house and senate.

      He took the steps he had too, to reach out and build a personal relationship with those on the opposing aisle. If he wanted a particular bill to pass, he went before the nation and gave a passionate plea as to the significance of it and why it must pass......he urged all Americans to write and call their congress and insist this bill be passed.

      It worked.

      I want nothing more than this economy to BOOM once again, with prosperity for ALL who want a part of it.

      Sorry for the ramble,

      I appreciate you coming by and sharing with me and the rest of us.

      Chris

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      teamrn 4 years ago from Chicago

      I'm not, and the only way that I'll be better off is if I work with liberals and conservatives and we learn to work with each other and SHOW our legislators that it can b e done. It's no small order, but it can be done. This is what Americans do best; they work together and come together to solve problems.

      Maybe it is time that WE led by example. Am I in the Obama camp? Gladly, proudly, I'm not, but I still take the high road that my fellow countrymen are much more important than political disagreements.

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      Chris Merritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      I heard ol joe say that.....it is so scary to think he is a heartbeat away from the most powerful position on earth.

      I think Paul Ryan will be one tremendous VP and fully capable of stepping into that POTUS if ever called upon.

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      Chris Merritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      I heard ol joe say that.....it is so scary to think he is a heartbeat away from the most powerful position on earth.

      I think Paul Ryan will be one tremendous VP and fully capable of stepping into that POTUS if ever called upon.

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      teamrn 4 years ago from Chicago

      C Merritt, the more Presidential...VOTE FOR LOVE OVE COUNTRY ALL MY FELLOW MEN AND WOMEN!!. Joe Biden shows in the video clip above why we don't need him representing us!

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      TSAD 4 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      Well, at the very least most should find it hard to vote for a president whose own VP recently said of Barack Obama on the campaign trail: “There’s never been a day in the last four years I’ve been proud to be his vice president. Not one single day.”

      Watch the clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPdTSnmzdb4&fea... and listen to the crowd cheer! What do they do, pay those people to cheer no matter what is said? Compared to Biden, Bush was a piker when it comes to gaffes! The only time Biden tells the truth is when he doesn't realize what he is saying !

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      Chris Merritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      As Romney so elequently put it..."I want people to vote for "Love of Country."

      Which one is more Presidential?

      The new norm by the liberals has lowered the quality of Americans standards. It is up to us to raise that bar back up, to the exceptional Nation that we conservatives know we are.

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      teamrn 4 years ago from Chicago

      It is NOT the new norm, to vote revenge. It may be the liberal norm, but the whole US isn't liberal.

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      TSAD 4 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      Well according to The Messiah, Vengeance is ours, get out there and get revenge with your vote. It's the new normal, the new American dream, to vote revenge. That is what he meant isn't it? All Americans are entitled to access free birth control, food stamps and oh, every four years please top that off with a shot of revenge.

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      teamrn 4 years ago from Chicago

      Am I better off than I was 4 years ago? Heck no, and I don't see how ANYONE can think so. They may be better off, but if they escape the fact that others are WORSE off, they must have their heads in the sand and I call them Obama supporters.

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      Chris Merritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Hi Pamela, Thanks for the comments, and lets go out and take our country back!

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      Pamela Oglesby 4 years ago from United States

      Just looking at the long list of comments alone says it all about your hub being outstanding and of course we are not better off than we were 4 years ago. Our country is in an awful mess. Obama is a failure as a president.

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      Chris Merritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Hi b! Great to have you back!

      Yes, Obama's inexperience has proven as to why he needs to go.

      He had a good game in talking, but as we know actions are louder than words...he has has failed miserably.

      It is time for some REAL Leadership....

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      b. Malin 4 years ago

      Sadly, NO. I did not vote for Obama. I felt he didn't have any Experience, and now we have scene the Results...not pretty. I think the American people have quietly HAD ENOUGH, of this so called HOPE and CHANGE, and will Vote for Romney.

      Good Hub CMerritt, Great Comments.

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      Chris Merritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      I may end up eating crow, and I SURE hate to "jinx" myself, but I really believe we will not only end up with a strong victory in the White House, but also gaining control over the senate.

      but that is just a secret between YOU and ME!

      :)

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      WillStarr 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Actually, just two weeks before the election, Gallup had it Jimmy Carter 47, Ronald Reagan 39!

      Reagan won in a landslide.

      Good points, Chris!

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      Chris Merritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Will, I am STILL cautiously optimistic......I am reminded of a recent article that I read stating that Gallup had Jimmy Carter up over Ronald Reagan by 4 points in mid to late September ... and was up 8 points in October. In fact there was a published Gallup poll showing Carter up six among likely voters in a poll conducted Oct. 24 to 27.

      I refuse to accept that Americans (overall) are ignorant of what is really going on....I think we have a very intelligent segment of our population that does get it. Many of these people chose NOT to vote during our last POTUS election, and now realize the damage the caused.

      Keep your head up!

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      WillStarr 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      This morning, the Rasmussen poll showed Obama ahead by two, despite his obvious failure to fix the economy and the botched foreign policy with Islam.

      Four more years of redistribution-Obama will devastate the US, so what on Earth are the voters thinking?

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      Chris Merritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Thanks Cogersons, Great to see you! Yes, I think Obama is letting America see him for who he truly is...or rather is NOT. That is a "leader". At least NOT a leader for our Constitution and those who wish to honor it. He is filling the trough and feeding voters who desire to be taken care of....THAT is his plan. Not to the hard working Americans who merely want opportunities.

      I appreciate your visit!

      Chris

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      Cogerson 4 years ago from Virginia

      I very enjoyable rant to read. I love the first picture of Obama saying his work is done surrounded by rumble....classic. I live in Virginia so I am being run over by ads and polls and political mail, both sides with all of the negativity actually has me wishing there was a 3rd candidate. The best piece and scariest piece of information in this hub?.....1/3 of Americans is dependent on the government.....I think Obama's master plan is coming into focus....voted up and awesome.

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      Chris Merritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Hi Sue, nice to see you, and I thank you for your compliments.

      Chris

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      Sueswan 4 years ago

      Hi Chris,

      I enjoyed your rant.

      Voted up and interesting

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      You are good with me tsadjatko! I appreciate your stance and your support. jbyers has much to learn....

      Here is the hub I wrote earlier this summer regarding liberals....

      https://hubpages.com/politics/WHY-exactly-liberals...

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      TSAD 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      Just in case anybody actually believed anything jbyers said

      I am not on "the FBI watch list"

      another thing that went right over his head I suppose.

      In my profile I refer to the FBI knowing who the legend of tsadjatko is, which is a tongue in cheek reference to the fact that tsadjatko is a Quinault indian name for bigfoot - the legend of bigfoot - of course jbyers would assume I am on the FBI watch list...just another example of his propensity to be a cornucopia of misinformation! :-)

      Hey Chris - what's your link for the hub on liberals?

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      teamrn 5 years ago from Chicago

      Thanks, C.Merrit!

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      No need to apologize B&G Jack! jbyers took it to that level. I too, swing back when I am swung at....

      I think the closer this election gets, the passion of politics is getting ramped up. There are serveral of us who understand the significance of this election.

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      BLACKANDGOLDJACK 5 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      Hey Chris,

      First of all, I apologize to you for my part in getting this hub off track.

      I, however, have no intention of offering an olive branch to jbyers. If somebody takes a swing at me, I swing back.

      But yeah, let’s get this discussion back to what really matters. The economy is in the toilet. And somebody is going to flush us all down with the you know what if “we” don’t do something about it.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      and I will second that Annie!

      You ARE one of the classy ones!

      :)

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      teamrn 5 years ago from Chicago

      CMerritt, I nominate myself for inclusion in that category if I may!! Annie

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Will Starr has his act together, and speaks with wisdom. He is not afraid to call things as they are.

      I have another hub or rant, if you will, discussing why it is many liberals seem to be hateful and rude.

      I have zero problems with discussions with those who disagree with me, and there are several out there on hubpages that are classy folks.

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      teamrn 5 years ago from Chicago

      WillStarr,

      I've never known you to be disruptive. We need more Will Starrs with opinion-BASED ON FACT- but always willing to see that there is another side to the coin.

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      TSAD 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      BTW I never called jbyers a name I simply made a statement, an old cliche, but evidently even he must have felt the shoe fit - because HE put it on himself.

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      TSAD 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      Hey Chris, thanks for leaving the comments for observers to see and come to their own conclusions - that is always the beauty of these discussions because despite whether anyone is right or wrong the truth is revealed in their rhetoric for any objective observer to see - and come to the (in this case) obvious conclusions. But now the comment section is so long I doubt anyone can be motivated to read it all and gleam anything from it. Why don't you close it out and give us a hint what your next hub will be? :-)

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      jbyers,

      I may be wasting my time, but I think I need to go back on how all of this came about…it went like this:

      We were having a fine discussion when you made the first attack….at me with the following statement:

      “A good author sits back and let's the audience discuss his article, not interject when his "side" can't stick up for him.”

      Then, you replied with the FIRST of the name-calling with:

      "Listen, schmuck."

      Then, you followed up with:

      "Retardican."

      You then followed up with more name-calling of Josak with “ballsack”!

      At this time, no one has lowered themselves to calling YOU any harsh names.

      Then you got arrogant and attacked me with:

      "I have a BA in Journalism - you only have a hubpage."

      And followed up with:

      "You have a lot to learn CMerritt. Your writing is subpar - a C+ at best, and your political commentary is not much better"

      .

      The whole time, I was being kind with you, and merely was asking you to answer a simple question…one that you demanded by others.

      Then you come back with:

      “eat a dick!” and “douche.”

      And you have the nerve to claim that others were having “personal attacks” against just you!

      Later on you was quoted as saying:

      “Yeah, I used a few "inappropriate language". So what, I was bored.”

      My advice to you is this, if you want to be an adult and discuss with other adults…..learn to leave your childishness behind you, and engage with some dignity.

      I’m asking everyone forward, lets keep this civil.

      This has been quite the debate overall, and I appreciate everyone here who has took the time to “chime in”

      Chris

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      WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      "CMerritt: Restoring civility to this hub is impossible at this point. When guys like BLACKANDGOLDJACK, WillStarr, tsadjatko come out of the gate insulting people a healthy debate will never happen."

      Which of course is blatantly untrue. I disputed him on the facts, and he responded with: "Listen, schmuck'.

      When it's obvious that someone is lying about their 'expert' qualifications, I think it's appropriate to note that they are frauds so others are not taken in by their lies and deceptions. That's quite different from low class name calling, like 'schmuck', or to tell someone to 'eat mt d**k''.

      Your efforts are fruitless Chris, because you are dealing with an internet troll, whose real purpose is to disrupt. I've seen hundreds of them, and this guy is a classic troll.

      After reading my comment, feel free to delete it, Chris. I fully understand.

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      teamrn 5 years ago from Chicago

      I think it takes a few to play the 'hurl insult' game, CMerrritt. Most of us are quite capable of participating in a lively FACT-based discussion. "I don't feel like it" sounds to me like a cop-out. The kind of thing I saw when I've been 'had.' Human nature.

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      jbyers 5 years ago from Wapwallopen, PA

      CMerritt: Restoring civility to this hub is impossible at this point. When guys like BLACKANDGOLDJACK, WillStarr, tsadjatko come out of the gate insulting people a healthy debate will never happen.

      If you scroll along this page, you'll see me and other people tried to discuss matters. We used facts as well as opinions but didn't personally attack or insult anyone but the people listed above hijacked the conversation with "liberal this, liberal that" and so on. And you didn't step in to restore civility then, so why do it now?

      I did give you credit for supplying facts in the conversation, but you were supplying facts to a question I asked someone else - that's why I didn't and won't answer you. I wanted to hear them support their own comments.

      If you did read my comments you would see that I don't think Obama has done a great job as president. I'm a little disappointed and there are things that need to be changed - but he can't do it alone and he shouldn't. He needs the cooperation, support, and ideas from republicans and democrats; steel workers and nurses, retirees and kindergartners, men and women.

      I'm not interested in discussing politics today. CMerritt you seem like a decent person to talk with, but the other people you allowed to hijack this page reflects badly on you as the author and steward of this hub.

      Maybe we can talk another day, but being interrupted by insults and attacks while trying to address your questions and responses is not very attractive to me today. I'm sure this will all be interpreted as weakness or incompetence, so go ahead do your worst. It doesn't matter because I really don't care what any of you have to say because you are just people on the internet. Some of the people here who have graced this hub are like children just learning to ride a bike. A colt just learning to trot. A puppy learning to run.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      jbyers,

      Since you seem to be so very prideful of obtaining your BA in Journalism and an associate’s degree in Social Sciences, it should not be too difficult for you to answer a simple question that I asked earlier.

      What is Obama doing, to help our economy? What is he doing that is going to create jobs? What are his plans to get 46 million OFF of welfare?

      You asked a similar question regarding what is Romney going to do, and I took the time to answer you.

      I did not “pick” on you. I simply asked a question, trying to understand exactly why it is you prefer Obama over Romney.

      I never called you any names, as you did me. I would like to try to restore this hub, to become a civil debate on exactly “Are you better off than you was four years ago?”

      I’m asking that question to everyone who has taken the time to stop by and join in.

      Jybers, I will be waiting for your answer to my question, as YOU demanded others answer to yours.

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      BLACKANDGOLDJACK 5 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      I'll tell you what, jbyers, I would sue the doctor for malpractice who performed your frontal lobotomy.

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      jbyers 5 years ago from Wapwallopen, PA

      good night BLACKANDGOLDJACK. good night WillStarr. good night tsadjatko.

      i love you all so very very much. maybe someday, we can join hands, have BLACKANDGOLDJACK's kids get us beers and we can sit together and share stories of this day. this grand day. when 4 men met on the internet to discuss politics, scrapped a little bit, cried a little bit, but eventually became the best of friends. never to part ways. and always in each other's hearts and minds. i feel like 36 years of my life has been wasted and only now have i found my true meaning in life - the real reason God put me here (oh yeah, he doesn't exist). the real reason i was put here was to meet and love these men as my brother, drunken degenerate father, and a senile grandfather.

      good night sweet princes. good night and may god bless you all until we meet again some glorious day. XOXO

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      BLACKANDGOLDJACK 5 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      What do I do, jbyers? Well, I was Vice President of a Fortune 500 company. But I got bored with that. Well sure I have degrees. One, two, three, four, five. Oh, and I'm a decorated war veteran, just like your grandfather. You can find my publishing company at amazon.com, barnesandnoble.com, etc.

      I don't really care about your resume. I could just pull out a blank sheet of paper that would contain about the same thing.

      I just hate liars.

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      jbyers 5 years ago from Wapwallopen, PA

      Once again, tsadjatko is back to name calling. Man, you never give up. Guess that's why you're on the FBI watch list.

      You're so witty and clever tsadjatko.

      Can I be your friend?

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      TSAD 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      Will y'all never learn - I repeat - Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

      nite, nite.

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      jbyers 5 years ago from Wapwallopen, PA

      BLACKANDGOLDJACK

      I notice that you are carefully watching your words. You must be on hubpages probation since you get kicked out of forums on a regular basis.

      You must be pretty sauced if you think I'm gonna show you my resume containing personal information. You might want to wait to ask the kids to get daddy another beer.

      You never told me what you do. Nothing about your publishing company. Got a degree of your own to boast about? Criminal record?

      You're a religious guy. Pray to God and maybe he'll divinely intervene and whisper my resume into your ear. Keep praying...keep praying...No wait, that's your cat. Forgot God doesn't exist.

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      jbyers 5 years ago from Wapwallopen, PA

      And Bush never attended fund raisers, played golf, and spent time on the ranch? Please.

      W spent more than $124 million on all of his trips including spending 487 days at Camp David; 490 days at Crawford Ranch; and 43 days at the Kennebunkport Compound.

      Total: 1020 days, more than 1/3rd of his presidency. Bush set the record for most vacation time taken by a president.

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      BLACKANDGOLDJACK 5 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      jbyers:

      You remind me of something you find in a chicken coop. And I'm not talking about eggs.

      C'mon, let's see your resume. I called you out. Because I want to end this nonsense.

      What's the matter, honey?

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      jbyers 5 years ago from Wapwallopen, PA

      ib radmasters - i'm bored with political discussions at this point. i'm just here to screw with the beer drinking, my kids come second steelers fan.

      But yeah, the tax system should be reworked. Let's do it.

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      ib radmasters 5 years ago from Southern California

      jbyers

      your statement

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      So then let's stop blaming and get down to business - which Romney is supposedly so good at. What are Romney's ideas to better the economy, his plans for afghanistan, lowering the price of gas, better and affordable education, lowering crime and murder, affordable healthcare, immigration, preserving social security, lowering unemployment, and lowering taxes? Even better, what are your ideas?

      -----------------

      These questions need to be answered by President Obama because it was his job and he failed. That is his record, not a conclusion.

      He spent this year going to over 175 fund raisers, playing over 100 golf games, and numerous campaign trips.

      Do you really think he was working as the president, or just working for his personal goal. He was too busy to meet publicly with his job panel for more than the last six months.

      The real problem is the blind loyal party voters that keep reelecting incumbents that fail, and they don't make them accountable.

      And if the big issue is the rich versus the poor and taxes, then just abolish the Income Tax System. Both parties setup the Internal Revenue Code to give those with money more options on their taxes. Hardly any of that code is useful for a Wage Earner.

      It is not fair to expect someone to pay a higher percentage on their taxes just because they earned more. A fair system would apply the same tax percentage across the board.

      The focus is not on Romney, but on Obama and why he failed to keep his promises.

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      jbyers 5 years ago from Wapwallopen, PA

      Thought you wanted me to shut the bleep up about my degree in journalism?

      Oh, and go ahead, prove it. Must be a grand novel on debuggin your kitty, girlfights, or the steelers.

      Wow, I AM impressed.

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      BLACKANDGOLDJACK 5 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      And another thing, jbyers, I have my own publishing company just like you.

      Only I can prove it.

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      BLACKANDGOLDJACK 5 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      I called BS on you, jbyers.

      Put up or shut up.

      Let's see this resume of yours.

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      jbyers 5 years ago from Wapwallopen, PA

      WillStarr you got hub awards for your writing. Wow, I'm sure your 4th grade teacher is very proud of you.

      And BLACKANDGOLDJACK your main interest - before your children - is beer? And you always get banned from forums, I wonder why?

      Geez, I was wrong about you guys; had you pegged all wrong. My mistake.

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      BLACKANDGOLDJACK 5 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      Sure, jbyers, you can see my resume too. You go first, you issued the challenge. Let's put it all out there for everybody to see. Then we'll have a credibility check.

      You don't have the guts.

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      jbyers 5 years ago from Wapwallopen, PA

      It's proof that I can write, research, and report facts not just blabber whatever comes into my head. That I have academic and professional credentials compared to your couple hubs.

      I'm not outlining my life's work for the likes of you, unless I get to see your resume too. You supposedly live across the state from me so go googling. My book was an independent short run print through my own publishing company. My grandfather served in Italy and I reworked his journal. He was a REAL Republican.

      I guess now you're going to bad mouth my dead Bronze Star decorated WWII veteran grandfather now...sigh...proceed...

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      WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      "I have worked for several newspapers since my career started when I was 19 and wrote a book on WWII."

      That poorly written sentence would get a real journalist fired.

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      BLACKANDGOLDJACK 5 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      jbyers, you said:

      "Yes, I have a BA in Journalism and an Associates in Political Science. I have worked for several newspapers since my career started when I was 19 and wrote a book on WWII. All these guys can do is spray paint graffiti on a hubpage. This is what their lives have amounted to and this is the best that they can do or will ever do."

      What is it going to take to get you to shut the bleep up about your degree in journalism? Do you really want to play the "this is the best that they can do or will ever do" game? You got any money to play?

      So what newspapers did you write for and what is the link to your book on WWII on Amazon?

      (Does anybody think this dope is smoking dope besides me?)

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      jbyers 5 years ago from Wapwallopen, PA

      Josak: Yes they are unable to avoid personal attacks. That's all they can do - their minds can't formulate original independent thoughts. They revert to name calling because they have no other way to debate issues.

      I tried to have a polite intelligent discussion with them. I even agreed with them on one or two things, but they are one sided and refuse to even peek at the other side of a subject. The customary "NO!" is all they can come up with. Along with liberal this, liberal that. Obama did this, Obama did that. And the fantastically humorous Obamaloni - Romney really struck gold with that one.

      I was actually surprised that they didn't mention that he is a muslim, the birth certificate thing, or the ever-popular "socialist" - which is funny because most people who use that term don't even know what it means. Churches, schools, labor unions, the military, sports teams: they are all socialistic in one way or another. So in a sense, we're all socialists already - hope I didn't scare you Joe the Plumber.

      Yeah, I used "inappropriate language". So what, I was bored. The author deleted my comments to preserve civility but did nothing to stop others from name calling or personally attacking me because he agreed with their slanted views. Hubs are a forum for discussion not badgering. The only time the author jumped in was when the other commenters couldn't answer my questions or I called them out for avoiding answering my questions.

      Yeah, I have a BA in Journalism and an Associates in Political Science. I've worked for several newspapers during my career which started when I was 19 and I've written a book about WWII. All they can do is spray paint graffiti on a hubpage. It's the best they can do or will ever do. It's safe for them and doesn't require much effort: copy and paste from Hannity's webpage.

      And I only have 6 followers because I just started to use my hub 2 weeks ago. How many of them had dozens of followers after 2 weeks -

      their mom, wife, and kids don't count.

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      teamrn 5 years ago from Chicago

      jbyers, do we have quite a high opinion or ourselves or what? OR IS IT A LOW OPINION OF OTHERS WHO HAVE AN OPINION DIFFERENT THAN OURS!

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      teamrn 5 years ago from Chicago

      Chris Danes, what is this vaste wasteland of comments that you speak of? It seems like, with a few exclusions, people bringing up valid points and discussing them. Wasteland?

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      Barbara Bethard 5 years ago from Tucson, Az

      oh my word all the comments in 2 days!

      this alone says what all of Americans agree on...we are fed up! makes me wish we could just erase it all and start over

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      wba108@yahoo.com 5 years ago from upstate, NY

      BLACKANDGOLDJACK- Your comments are spot on, it doesn't take a genius or an economist to point out the obvious- that we can't tolerate 4 more years of Obama!

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      jbyers 5 years ago from Wapwallopen, PA

      Josak - Yes, they are unable to avoid personal attacks. You can try to have a polite intelligent debate with these people, but all they revert back to is name calling and Obama this and Obama that, liberal this and liberal that. Oh and the fantastically humorous Obamaloni thing. Wow, Romney really struck gold with that one.

      I wasted my afternoon trying to discuss issues with these people but it's futile because they're one sided and refuse to at least peek at the other side of the topic. I agreed with them on one or two points, but they refused consider anything else. The customary "NO!" And then the author stepped in when the commenters couldn't hold their own.

      Their responses others' comments had no logical counterpoints or better ways of doing things. "It's bad. It's wrong. He's destroying America." I'm surprised no one mentioned that Obama's trying to take our guns, he's a muslim, the fake birth certificate, or the ever-popular "socialist" - which is funny because most people who use that term don't even know what it means. What are churches? What are schools? What are labor unions? What is the military? What are sports teams? They are all socialistic in one or more ways.

      Yes, I have a BA in Journalism and an Associates in Political Science. I have worked for several newspapers since my career started when I was 19 and wrote a book on WWII. All these guys can do is spray paint graffiti on a hubpage. This is what their lives have amounted to and this is the best that they can do or will ever do.

      Yeah, I used a few "inappropriate language". So what, I was bored. Commenters did nothing but name call - and the author did not step in to preserve the civility because he agreed with it. This page and its commenters - with a few exceptions - are no better than FOX and Friends where anything goes and they salivate as they blatantly disregard real facts for fiction.

      And I only have 6 followers because I started my hub 2 weeks ago. How many people had dozens of followers after only 2 weeks? Your mom and wife don't count.

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      TSAD 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      Neither do I :-)

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      The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Yes but it has nothing to do with Obama...

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      TSAD 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      Bye, Bye (smile your on candid camera)

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      Chris Dane 5 years ago from Maryland, USA

      Well, we've all contributed to a vile wasteland of a comments section. I'm just as guilty, I suppose, but I now think the photo of a stainless Obama standing amidst rubble and ruin is apropos. We're all arguing in the mud while he just stands there, coasting to four more years. Since my arguments failed to convince anyone of the failure of the GOP and its culpability in the matter, I'm going to bow out now. You can't rebuild with rubble in the way and mortars flying, and the GOP will remain a ruin as long as its last soldiers, huddled in the trenches, keep trying to re-enact the Alamo and the American Revolution, rather than the Constitutional Congress and all those other precious moments when we came together as a nation to actually get something accomplished. The ignorance perpetuated just to feel righteous will be cold comfort in November.

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      TSAD 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      "It's also worth noting the reason that liberals might be playing the profession card is because they are actually professionals the odds are much higher that thy have a college degree statistically speaking (like double) than a conservative."

      Really? Well you have successfully demonstrated one thing.

      Notice my whole point was that declaring your profession is meaningless when it is not substantiable - in this medium anyone can claim to be anything so it is meaningless even if true but that goes right over the liberal's head as a liberal can only see an opportunity to belittle - elitist is their middle name and the only way to get under their skin is to cling to your rifles and Bible ...or create songs so...

      When Mitt Romney and Ryan win the vote ,

      Hurrah! Hurrah!

      We'll try very hard not to gloat

      Hurrah! Hurrah!

      The men will cheer and the boys will shout

      The ladies they will all turn out

      And we'll all shout yeah when Romney and Ryan win.

      The old church bell will peal with joy

      Hurrah! Hurrah!

      We'll have a leader who isn't coy,

      Hurrah! Hurrah!

      The village lads and lassies say

      With roses they will strew the way,

      And we'll all shout yeah when when Romney and Ryan win.

      Get ready for the Jubilee,

      Hurrah! Hurrah!

      Real hope and change three times three,

      Hurrah! Hurrah!

      The laurel wreath is ready now

      To place upon their loyal brows

      And we'll all shout yeah when Romney and Ryan win.

      Let love and friendship on that day,

      Hurrah, hurrah!

      Their choicest pleasures then display,

      Hurrah, hurrah!

      And let each one perform some part,

      To fill with joy the leader's hearts,

      And we'll all shout yeah when Romney and Ryan win

      Y'all getting too serious anyway.

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      Pamela Kinnaird W 5 years ago from Maui and Arizona

      I enjoyed reading your hub and feeling the passion of your words. I couldn't believe it when I scrolled down and found all these passionate comments. I've been away for a month from the U.S. and pretty much from computer, too, but how could I have forgotten how emotional people get on this subject? Wow, you really brought up a hot topic. Voting up and useful.

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      Skarlet 5 years ago from California

      Obama is truly a disaster, and I don't know anyone who is better off than they were four years ago. I know some liberals who voted for Obama because they thought he would end the war as he said he would. Now one of these liberals is losing her son to Iraq, which was her biggest fear a few years ago.

      For some reason they are not ranting and raving about how bad the war is anymore.

      If people would stop making excuses for this president and start looking at facts we would have a chance.

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      teamrn 5 years ago from Chicago

      Will,

      "Exposing ignorance and fraud is not personal. It's necessary"

      It's necessary, necessary for what?

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      teamrn 5 years ago from Chicago

      Josak, "So yes the high in unemployment was the result of your failed policies."

      Just like the actions of one man cannot bring down a union, you actually believe, you're seriously saying that the banking and housing collapse of ONE MANS' POLICIES? Saint's preserve us. That's a bit too much naiveté for even the leftest of the left or the rightist of the right, to take without a good laugh.

      Isn't it more possible that it was the sum total of mega failed policies, including Jimmy Carter's CRA that Bill Clinton only reinforced, Dubya's plans to take Iraq because of misguided intelligence and for YEARS before, presidents had been making decisions that lead to the disastrous fall. I find it somewhat incredulous that you feel the SOLE cause was policies ON THE RIGHT.

      I had been thinking that you were pretty intelligent, (too bad he's a leftist) because of intelligence, but there goes that theory, out the window. One man, and one man only caused the depression of 1929?

      That's kind of what you were saying. Never could it have been the combination plate.? I'm somewhat speechless and that's incredulous in and of itself!

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      WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      "Are you able to avoid personal attacks or is that too hard for you?"

      Exposing ignorance and fraud is not personal. It's necessary.

      We have all sorts of leftist loons out there claiming that Obama is not a big spender and that he did not run the debt to $16 trillion, when anyone with a lick of sense knows better.

      It's not personal, Mr. Economist. It's just the truth. You exposed yourself as a liar and a fraud. That was your choice.

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      BLACKANDGOLDJACK 5 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      wba108, I see you have a B.A. in Economics. Hey, so do I. But Josak is THE ECONOMIST on this hub, according to him. Just like jbyers is THE JOURNALIST. Although you couldn't tell by anything they have said other than, for example Josak saying, "As for eating 'Obamaloney' I am an economist . . ." blah blah blah.

      But wba108, it doesn't take an "economist" to figure out what you said is spot on, now does it? It just takes somebody who is brighter than a black hole and smarter than a rock with a brain bigger than a pea. It's so easy, even a caveman can do it.

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      Josak 5 years ago from variable

      I said policies not policy, yes the stimulus bill passed pretty quickly but there were a slew of other measures such as the Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act of 2009 which actually didn't pass until November and the Helping families act that didn't pass until the end of May (those are just some of the major ones).

      As for the 8% thing well obviously he was wrong what's your point that Obama got something wrong? Good work.

      it was while Bush's policies were being replaced that the unemployment rate increased then the Obama policies started to take full effect and... look at that it's been falling since.

      Are you able to avoid personal attacks or is that too hard for you?

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      WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Too late. You've already exposed yourself.

      You said he inherited 10% unemployment, when it was really only 7.6%, and you said it fell from there, when it actually went up, not down. You also did not know that obama promised it would not rise above 8% if Congress passed his massive stimulus.

      In addition, Obama signed the massive stimulus bill into law less than one month after taking office. It did not take the months you claim!

      In other words, you, sir, are exposing yourself as a fraud who does not know what the hell he is talking about!

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      wba108@yahoo.com 5 years ago from upstate, NY

      At best I consider the president a leftist idealog who foolishly believes his own myths. I'll admit I've considered the idea that he may be both a criminal and a traiter to the Constitution! I hope he's merely foolish. It sure looks like he's attempting to divide and conquer the nation through class warfare and legalized theft and its hard to believe he thinks his policies will do the nation a bit of good!

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      Josak 5 years ago from variable

      I make no bones about being a leftist, if you read the actual hub you would see that the businesses without CEO's supervisors etc. are far out-competing those with the above, better productivity, workplace happiness and profit also their wages are astronomically better since they don't have to pay all the above's wages, just facts as usual.

      I should have clarified that statement better, yes unemployment continued to rise after Obama took office but before his policies could take effect he was sworn in at the start of 2009 and it took months to pass the economic measures and unemployment reached it's high in October after which it has been falling, fitting perfectly into the usual economic measure to effect curve if unemployment had started falling as soon as he took office that would actually indicate that the last presidents policies were working but of course they didn't. So yes the high in unemployment was the result of your failed policies.

      As for the spending don't take my word for it just read the Wall Street journal article or look for the budgets for each of those years.

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      WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      "Unemployment (U3) is falling from the high you guys left it at it was once at 10.0 remember?"

      The unemployment rate when Obama took office was 7.6 %, Mr. Economist, so get your facts straight. It went up from there, despite Obama's promise it would not rise above 8% if Congress passed his trillion dollar stimulus.

      Since you did not know any of that, Mr. Economist, why should we believe anything you say?

      This is why you should not listen to those who pee on your leg and tell you it's raining! Of course Obama is a big spender, and of course he is destroying the economy!

      Liberals will say anything, even if they have to lie about it.

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      WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Be sure to look and see what sort of radical leftist is lecturing you on economics. This one thinks businesses should have no 'greedy' owners, CEO's, or bosses:

      https://hubpages.com/politics/The-real-leeches-are...

      That is far-left kookism@!

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      Josak 5 years ago from variable

      Unemployment (U3) is falling from the high you guys left it at it was once at 10.0 remember? Spending is being reduced. Most of that deficit is not Obama's. Real unemployment (U6) is at about 17.1 which is also falling since Bush.

      Mea maxima culpa on the typo how can I ever be forgiven?!

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      WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      The left will say anything to protect Obama, but they can't fool anyone with 8.3% unemployment (actual is near 16%!) and a national debt of $16 trillion!

      So stop the spin.

      BTW, how many economists do you know who can't even spell 'business'?

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      Josak 5 years ago from variable

      The only reason I stated I was an economist is because some guy here who probably half heard a fox newscast once told me I was talking baloney and didn't know the facts.

      As for the facts I am listing them all over the comments with reliable links so that stinks of hypocrisy.

      It's also worth noting the reason that liberals might be playing the profession card is because they are actually professionals the odds are much higher that thy have a college degree statistically speaking (like double) than a conservative.

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      TSAD 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      I've also noticed in these discussions liberals are always the first ones to play the "profession" card as if they are superior because of their "profession". Usually conservaTIVES LET THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES (whoops) ... while liberals can't resist asserting their superiority even though there is no way anyone can verify that they are who or what they say they are, therefore it is meaningless to bring up - that is why I coined the phrase "I'm not a (fill in the blank) and I don't play one on HP" (now you know that is code for we got a liberal here!) whenever they assert their profession. But of course they don't care about throwing in irrelevant statements if they think it will sway the argument or intimidate their opposition.

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      Josak 5 years ago from variable

      I love how you accuse others of spin while skirting around the fact that Obama is reducing spending and has dropped unemployment. You don't have any facts, all you have is spin.

      As for many people not knowing that Obama is reducing spending that's true many people don't know anything about economics and jut listen to drivel.

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      WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Nobody believes that Obama is not a big spender, so good luck on selling that one!

      In any case, the economy sucks, we are $16 trillion in debt, and unemployment is 8.3%, so that is Obama's legacy going into November, and no amount of spin will change it.

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      Josak 5 years ago from variable

      Yup and we have had such deficits for years before. I already listed a Wall Street Journal article with the data on spending the facts are there, it's simply the truth as much as you want to stick your head in the sand about it. Here is the link again but I am sure you will ignore it :P

      http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-05-22/comment

      it is you ignoring the facts and me posting them.

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      WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      "Spending is lower now than it was under Bush."

      Uh, huh.

      And we just finished the forth straight year of trillion dollar deficits under Obama.

      Liberals will say anything, and the truth be damned.

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      Josak 5 years ago from variable

      You guys sure do talk a lot about the economy without any facts huh? let's talk about the economy.

      Bush's average GDP growth with housing bubble growth subtracted was about 1% (excluding the crisis if I add the crisis it's a bout 0) despite inheriting the massive collapse handed to him Obama now has the GDP growing at 1.7% and rising.

      When Bush finished up Wall street was crashed and burnt and consumer confidence was at a record low, now the market is profitable (profits are actually very high) and consumer confidence is back to baseline.

      The Bush presidency over 8 whole years rose unemployment about 4.5% the Obama presidency has turned that massive rise around and has reduced real unemployment abut 0.2%.

      Spending is lower now than it was under Bush.

      Job creation numbers are about three times higher than they were when Obama took office.

      Your wars cost us trillions and trillions in unrecoverable debt. Money spent under Obama is mostly investment capital in the country such as the stimulus, welfare, Obamacare etc. (those programs may not pay themselves back entirely but they will to some extent (for example the 45 000 people who won't die every year because of Obamacare will probably produce taxable income) (from a purely economic perspective because I know you guys don't care about the actual lives or at least not enough to fork out fractionally more tax..)

      There is not a single economic statistic in which your last president did better than the current one despite the fact that the current one inherited the massive mes left by Bush but let me guess it wasn't Bush's fault right? it was the crisis? or the Democrat congress? and you accuse Dems of blaming Bush :D

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      TSAD 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      I'm not a journalist and I don't play one on HP...but you have just witnessed why journalism in America is dead. This is what colleges have been turning out for years. Gotta go, be back later :-).

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      jbyers,

      I'm just deleting posts where you use inappropriate language. That is about as fair and balanced as I can be, other than just deleting you all together.

      I find it useful for others to see just how a liberal with BA in Journalism acts.

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      WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Why are the toilet-tongued, spoiled brats always liberals?

      What does that tell you?

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      jbyers 5 years ago from Wapwallopen, PA

      selective deleting

      now that's fair and balanced.

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      jbyers 5 years ago from Wapwallopen, PA

      oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh

      hurt my feeling.

      oh i'm crushed

      please no!!!!!!!!!!

      i'm sooooooooooooooooooooooooo sorry

      can you ever find it in dick cheney's mechanical heart to forgive me?

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      WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      BTW, isn't it amazing that a guy with a degree in journalism can't express himself without resorting to profanity?

      I doubt his claims.

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      WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      You should file a complaint and have him banned from HubPages.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      First of all, I can careless if you have a BA in Journalism. Your inability to have a real dialogue with grown-ups is visible by anyone who can read.

      I will leave this post for all to see, just how "classy" of an individual you really are. You are the epitome of many, many liberals, who do not have the capabilities to defend a given stance without becoming obnoxious and juvenile.

      I is rather sad, when you cannot answer a simple question by the host of a particular hub. If you continue to behave in the classless form of engaging, I will delete you.

      Your choice.

      Chrs

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      WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Chris,

      You have 431 followers, while the ineffective guy trying to lecture you has 6.

      What does that tell you?

      ^_^

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      TSAD 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      I'm going out again so you know I won't be available to comment to liberals 'ti I get back. Save your filth for my return.

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      jbyers 5 years ago from Wapwallopen, PA

      CMeritt: You got it all wrong man. A good author should be able to stand firm on the information he originally provided. If you have to go back and reiterate points and supply forgotten information then you shouldn't be here. I should know, I have a BA in Journalism - you only have a hubpage.

      This is a forum for discussion not badgering. You didn't force others to answer my questions so why the Hell should I answer yours. If you want to know it so bad, go find it. Don't rely on me to fill the spaces in your head. (And from my impression of you there are a lot of spaces in your head).

      A good author would calm down the crowd when debates get heated. A good author doesn't allow one to be piled on by others. A good author can see both sides of a discussion, not just the right and not just the left.

      You have a lot to learn CMerritt. Your writing is subpar - a C+ at best, and your political commentary is not much better - it would be like an A- for George W. Bush.

      ; P