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Could Donald Trump Win The Vote But Lose The Presidency?

Updated on July 22, 2016
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Donald Trump is not a politician by any means. A politician is a baby kisser and a lollipop stealer. A politician shakes hands with those they desire to have vote for them; Trump more often than not shakes a fist at those he doesn't want to vote for him.

And yet, he continues to lead in the polls over other more established politicians. And now the Republican Party, also known as the Grand Old Party (GOP) appears to be closing ranks on him, saying he will never be the party's choice for President.

But if he continues to win, in a couple of weeks he may well be the people's choice as the candidate to lead the GOP in the coming election. What will the party do then? Will they gather around him, proclaim him Candidate and see him through to the White House? Will they eat their words and stand behind him? Or will they continue to cast him out, shunning him from the party?

Would they (gulp) vote Democrat?

In other words, will they attempt to thwart the American People in their attempt to put Trump in the White House by popular vote and use the Electoral College to make sure he stays out? Frankly, a part of me can see this take place in November. That is, if it doesn't happen before then in the Republican Party itself.

First off, we need to understand that We The People do not elect the President of the United States. We like to think we do, but really, we do not. The Electoral College determines who the President is by a vote among 538 representatives, with the majority of 270 being the defining factor. And if the GOP really wants to keep Trump out of office, they can do it regardless of what We The People want.

I can hear some of you saying to yourselves "What?! Is that really possible?!" Sorry to tell you, but yeah, it is.

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So, ultimately, if the Republicans are truly set in their decision to not allow Trump to win, they can head him off at the pass, so to speak. They can cast their votes for whoever they want, be it Hillary or Bernie in the Democratic Party. Can you see a Republican representative voting Democrat to see Hillary in the White House, just to make sure Trump can't? Yikes!

But that is the reality, folks. It can happen. In 2000, G.W. Bush lost the Popular Vote to Al Gore by just over a half a percent (0.51%) yet won the Electoral College vote 271 to 266. I can see Trump winning the popular vote by a larger margin, several percentage points, yet losing the Electoral Vote by a large margin just because the GOP can't stand him. In their eyes, it would be better to close ranks with the enemy you know (Democrats) than stand behind a known non-politician like Trump. To them, he's a wild card who will not necessarily play ball with them like they want; therefore, he is a threat to their way of life.

And folks, that is what it may boil down to: their continued existence, their way of life; or our voice. Can we make enough of a clamor to force them to stand beside and behind Trump? Or will they cut their nose off to spite their face and vote Democrat? Because if they do vote against their candidate they will be saying to you and me that we do not matter. Our will, our thoughts, our decisions are not ours to make. It will be a fight like you have never seen before where the haves (rich politicians and their hangers on and cronies) take a stance against those who elected them to their positions of power (us, the little people). I believe that they feel they know best and we are but sheep, meant to follow them regardless of what we desire. They know best. Well, do they?

Bernie Sanders is making quite a stance on the Democratic side of things, and seemingly won't go away. He stands for the little people, and younger college age people seem to love him. He is raising money for the campaign by not raising money, if you know what I mean. People are literally giving him money hand over fist to run for President. They are so damned tired of the status quo they are giving their hard earned money to him in order to effect a change. Trump isn't getting this kind of support; Clinton isn't; Cruz isn't. Only Sanders is getting this kind of support from We The People.

And yet, he can't get the support he needs from the delegates in the larger states. Why? Because they want the status quo to continue! Where the rich get richer and the poor poorer. Where the middle man ceases to exist.

It is painfully obvious to those who are paying attention that America is finally fed up enough to show her stuff and cry foul. However, the establishment is not paying attention to us. They are so far removed from our reality that they believe they can continue to lord themselves over us and determine which direction the country is going to go. So, what are we going to do about it?

If it comes down to Donald Trump as the Republican Candidate against Hillary Clinton as the Democratic Candidate, who would you choose? Are you okay with the status quo, of politicians who routinely bend and break the law, who consider themselves above us at all times? Or do you desire a change? We have already had eight years of Clinton politics, and rest assured Hillary was most definitely in the mix as President, if not in name then in power behind the throne. Would you welcome another eight years of that type of politics? Remember Whitewater? Are you aware of the email scandal currently dogging Hillary? Remember Bill in the White House?

Do you want him roaming the halls of the White House with nothing to do but smile and chase whatever he wants?

If you remember things differently, okay; that's your perception and your choice. But if you remember things as being somewhat off, maybe a bit shady as some people have suggested you have to ask yourself if you want this to continue. Then watch and see if your elected officials vote as you do, or as they want to. That will tell if they truly represent you and the voice of the people, or only themselves and their outlook on what they think is best.

But hold on here! Is Donald Trump really clean as a whistle? He's a business man: I highly doubt it. But one thing he is not, is a politician. He is not one who has repeatedly ignored the will of the people and done what he wanted in office, and for that I can only say he's better than the others. It's kind of like having yourself frozen when you die with the hope of being unfrozen at some point in the future and restored to life. If you die and are cremated or buried you have a zero percent chance of being brought back to life. If you are frozen you have a less than zero chance at being brought back, Trump is a less than zero percent chance for the American People to continue on the path we have been on for years, and I think we have to take that chance.


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    • Mr Archer profile imageAUTHOR

      Mr Archer 

      2 years ago from Missouri

      Jean, thank you for taking the time to read this article and comment. This system does not work any longer and it is high time for a change.

      Ken, I am really impressed you are still following this discussion. You are plugged in, understand our country's plight and seem willing to assist in doing what needs doing. I appreciate your continued input. Take care Sir.

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      Ken Burgess 

      2 years ago from Florida

      Obstructionism... I think that is more a media created myth, combined with political perceptions for the people to buy into, than a reality.

      If this were an effort, to make people WANT to vote for Obama, and now Hillary, and continue the country on the path that it has been on, this is the exact type of effort one could expect.

      I'm not saying Republican politicians didn't SAY they would resist Obama every step of the way, or that they ran their campaigns on anti-Obama rhetoric... but they DID nothing.

      They didn't force him to cut back on any of his programs, they gave him budgets in excess of what he was asking for, they never did anything about Obamacare, they never stopped him in one area, on one major issue in eight years.

      Party politics, has become a show, a charade, a farce put on for the people who still believe there is a difference, for people who still want to believe one Party is better than the other, that their votes matter, that things change with who has power.

      Nothing has really changed in over 25 years... the last drastic and unexpected change in Washington was Reagan... since then the efforts made By Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, and lets say next is Clinton... is just more of the same... NAFTA, CAFTA, Middle East Wars, Globalism, etc. what has changed direction in 25 years?

      Nothing... think about it.

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      Jean Bakula 

      2 years ago from New Jersey

      I think Civics should be taught later, maybe in HS. So may adults were shocked about the Electoral College during the Bush/Gore election. Hillary has an easier path than Trump to the Electoral Votes. But if Trump wins the popular vote, Hillary will get the same obstructionism as Obama has to put up with for 8 years. He will say it's "rigged, unfair, etc" like he always does when things don't go his way.

      And yes, it is a system where your vote doesn't really count. It only counts if your state's representatives really vote as their constituents wanted them to.

    • Mr Archer profile imageAUTHOR

      Mr Archer 

      2 years ago from Missouri

      COle and Ken, thank you for reading and taking the time to comment here. Both of you offer solid information and appear to understand what America faces this November. Cole, you are correct in stating that neither of them is qualified to run this country. Clinton has lied to our faces for years and will continue to do the same as she (and her husband) have no problems with that type of behavior. Trump is the lesser of two evils and while you say that doesn't justify his being elected does it justify her getting your vote, knowing what she is? It will be one or the other and to me he is still the lesser evil, as bad as he may be.

      Ken,, your arguments were well presented and from them I can see you are following this election closely. Clinton does equal status quo and we can no longer afford that for our goal: the time has come to say no more. And while Trump is an outsider to Washington he is not a stranger to power, to the understanding of how to make a deal, to getting things done, to do what is needed and that is something we need today in our country: getting back what has been lost and setting our feet on the path to a better tomorrow. With Clinton we know what that day will be and we simply cannot continue on that path any longer.

      Thank you both and have a great day.

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      Ken Burgess 

      2 years ago from Florida


      They are simple choices really, just tone down the noise and accusations and focus on what they represent.

      Clinton = the Establishment, she is the poster child for Washington Politics, from donations from foreign nations to Wall St., to you don't admit to wrongdoing, no matter what the evidence. There is no candidate today that could better represent 'Politics as usual'.

      Clinton = No change, no change in foreign relations and how we are interacting with Iran, Russia, ISIS, China, etc. No change in direction our Trade Agreements are taking us, a continued flow of wealth and jobs from our nation to others. No change in our open borders, no change in our immigration policies, no change in running up trillions of dollars a year in National debt.

      This is the reality, whatever is said during the campaign, whatever is written by the media, is just window dressing to sell you the same stuff, different package.

      Trump = the Outsider, plain and simple. He is by and large an outsider to the Republican Party, he is an outsider to Washington Politics, he is an outsider as far as Lobbyists and Wall St. and countries like China and Saudi Arabia not having their hooks sunk deep into his flesh (like they do Clinton) and able to pull his strings.

      Trump = the unknown in that he may bring together some of the best and brightest minds to go to work on new trade agreements, he might be able to close down the southern border and stop the flow of millions of illegals coming into our country and impacting wages and jobs available, he might go on to rid us of ISIS and terrorist threats in general... OR... he may turn out to be the biggest flop of a President we have had in modern times, he may accomplish none of those things and send the economy crashing down... that's just it, he could make some incredibly powerful changes that really do 'Make America Great Again' in the sense that wages start to go up (bucking a decades long trend), jobs increase, and we feel safe again from terrorism abroad and at home... or things could be worse than they are now after just a few short years, in all these issues.

      Everyone thought Reagan was going to be a disaster too... right up until he was elected, and then many thought after he was failing as a President, until things got turned around and we enjoyed the biggest economic boom, the safest and most Patriotic times that we have had from the 60s until now in 2016.

      Everyone forgets how truly dire things had become in America before Reagan, how poorly the economy was doing, how many were out of work, how high the interest rates were, how dismal the future looked... the oil crisis, the hostage crisis, etc. they didn't know how bad they had it until a decade later when things were better than ever before.

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      Cole Delavergne 

      2 years ago from Houston Texas

      I don't know how we got here but neither candidate is qualified to run this nation. One blatantly lied to us on several occasions and it's hard to trust someone with command over our nation when they can't simply admit they made a huge mistake with their emails. I mean it was emails, what if we are talking something bigger? How would she react? How did she not know enough about technology to conclude that the firewall at the DOD location was much stronger than her personal email server. Then Mr Trump, oh boy, I have too much to say and not enough characters left to type. If you using the lesser of two evils argument to justify this catastrophe then don't, it doesn't justify it. Yes , he could win the popular vote and lose the election, it's happened plenty of times before but we've never had such horrible options in our history. These guys aren't even in office yet and every turn we see mistakes and dirt on each one. Shady, very shady.

    • Mr Archer profile imageAUTHOR

      Mr Archer 

      2 years ago from Missouri

      Brad that was very well put. Thank you for your comments. And I agree: a new paradigm is badly needed and while those in power will assuredly not be the ones to put it into play, we can always find someone who will through the voting process. Eventually change will take place.

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      Brad Masters 

      2 years ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Now 2 months later, Trump is the last republican standing. And what you point out about the parties, and the electoral college is true, and that like the Federal Reserve Board needs to be changed. None of these mechanisms are working for us, and they haven't been since the 1960s.

      The parties should represent the people, that is what a Democratic Republic is supposed to do.

      The electoral college take the one person one vote and it eradicates it.

      So the voters need to drop the loyalty to their party, as the parties have been gridlocked for so long they no longer represent the country. Both parties use the loyal party voter to gauge how many votes they need from the independents, and the swing states. This is another reason why presidents are picked by a small handful of votes rather than 100 million voters.

      The party voters can force the party to change their ways by voting against them. So in the Trump scenario, if the RNC elites ground him out of the race, the voters can go down the line at vote against all republicans. So it gives the win to the democrats, but that is what they are doing by railing against Trump.

      Neither of the parties have any solutions, but both of them contribute to the problems, and decline of the US.

      The election and campaign process needs a new paradigm, and that can only happen by the will of the voter. The party elites don't really care about the voter once they cast their vote.

    • Mr Archer profile imageAUTHOR

      Mr Archer 

      2 years ago from Missouri

      Amen Mike; amen.

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      Old Poolman 

      2 years ago

      This election process is totally insane in my opinion. What a huge waste of time and money.

    • Mr Archer profile imageAUTHOR

      Mr Archer 

      2 years ago from Missouri

      Frustrating beyond belief, isn't it Cheyenne? Just this morning on ABC news they were talking about a contested convention, one where Cruz might take away the nomination; and on the Democratic side, how Clinton's lead over Sanders is largely made up of the super-delegates, those who vote however they choose regardless of how their state's citizens voted.

      To quote Yakov Smirnov,

      "What a country!"

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      2 years ago from Central Florida

      Seriously, then, what is the point of voting if the majority of American voters don't rule? What the hell???????

      And there's not a single non-politician in the Electoral College, huh?

    • Mr Archer profile imageAUTHOR

      Mr Archer 

      2 years ago from Missouri

      Mike, Bill and Ken, thank you for taking the time to read this and comment. I honestly cannot recall a Presidential Election like this one. The Republicans are almost self-destructing in their anger at the interloper Trump taking their party over, while the Democrats are backing Clinton as their choice while she is doing everything she can (including bald faced lies) to stave Sanders off. Sanders is a borderline Socialist running for office, Trump is a loquacious blowhard full of himself yet seemingly in touch with the masses; whether this is truth or strategy we are yet to find out. I perceive Cruz and Rubio as Napoleonic in character, men who appear to be of small stature and big dreams yet are lacking in ability.

      There is no clear cut front runner nor is there a true "People's Choice" among them. This may go down as either the worst campaign in history or the beginning of the end for the two party system. Or even, both. Take care Gentlemen. And may God bless us all.

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      Ken Burgess 

      2 years ago from Florida

      I think this election is making it abundantly clear to any voter with a functioning ability to rationalize (I admit there are some voters who cannot think for themselves, they just vote for the Party they think serves their interests and that is that) that the game is fixed, the results are rigged, and the powers that be have no respect for American voters.

      With the Dems, you have the establishment, the party elites falling in line behind Hillary, she gets the Super Delegates no matter how badly she loses in a state, and who the heck knows how many Bernie votes are actually 'lost or misplaced' during the tally... then of course, there are all those coin flips that decide a precinct in her favor...

      With the Reps, they have no Super Delegates (bet like heck they are rethinking that issue right now) so they have tried everything else to destroy Trump's campaign, they have fabricated falsehoods and had them leaked to various media sources, they dragged Romney out of the closet to have him accuse Trump of having a 'bombshell' in his taxes (oh the Irony, it was Harry Reid that helped derail Romney's campaign in 2012 with his Tax accusations), Senators long in the pocket of Special Interests and Lobbyists coming out against him, and the PACs spending hundreds of millions on anti-Trump ads.

      If it isn't obvious to you that the media (Paper and Cable) the Politicians and the Powers that be (Wallst. to China) aren't in collusion to stop the 'outsiders'... the ones who REALLY want to make changes and who are NOT on the take and controlled by the 'establishment'... I don't know what it would take.

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      Bill Holland 

      2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      One of the toughest lessons I taught in Political Science classes was the electoral college. Try teaching that to middle school students some day if you want to know what it feels like to be ineffective. LOL

      This is a mess! But it's never boring. Can't wait to see what happens next. I'm sure after losing in Michigan, Hillary is trying to figure out what planet she's on this morning.

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      Old Poolman 

      2 years ago

      Isn't this a messed up situation? It is fairly obvious that much of America is fed up with the good-ole-boy club that control Washington and are ready for change. Along comes Trump promising this desired change and people decide this would be a good choice. But then if you recall, our current President ran on "Hope and Change" and won not once, but twice.

      Without even trying real hard, Trump is bringing the failures of Congress to the forefront for all of us to see. And for this, they hate him.

      Would they ever get behind Trump and support him in his run for the Presidency? I really doubt that will happen and because of that there is a huge risk the GOP could lose this election.

      Could Trump really solve all the problems he plans to tackle if elected? I would doubt that too because Congress would block him at every turn.

      Bottom line our Politics are a mess and the way we elect Presidents is kind of a joke. Even I like to believe my vote counts but as you point out in your hub nothing could be further from the truth. It just makes me feel better when I cast my ballot.

    • Mr Archer profile imageAUTHOR

      Mr Archer 

      2 years ago from Missouri

      I agree he is disliked by many but he is also leading so there are many who like his viewpoints. It will all come down to status quo and Hillary or we're fed up and Trump. Guess we'll see. Thanks and take care.

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      Justin Earick 

      2 years ago from Tacoma, WA

      I'm certainly no fan of Hillary, but "Remember Whitewater?" That's quite a bubble to live in.

      You portray Donald Trump as the candidate of We, The People - yet he is the most disliked candidate in US history (worst favorable/unfavorables). Severely flawed premise.


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