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Did Barack Hussein Obama Trash George W. Bush's Legacy?

Updated on November 20, 2016
A chart representing the Senate and House votes for the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999. Source | Author Sorenr | Date ... 19 April 2012
A chart representing the Senate and House votes for the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999. Source | Author Sorenr | Date ... 19 April 2012 | Source

"The Sucker is all true?" That was the title of an article about an e-mail

I recently read an article about an e-mail that Lori Ehricke, the author of the article said she had received, she said she had received the same e-mail three times but, did not know who penned this work of art but, she called it an eye opener!

The author of the article also stated that from what she was able to verify - (SIC) "This SUCKER'S all true."

After reading the article with much interest, I wondered how the author of the article verified this e-mail. How did she know "This SUCKER'S all true?"

If I were to write an article and know that article is true and researchable to make sure it is true, I would certainly want the credit for writing the article and to credit the author of the e-mail.

This article I read did not credit the author of the e-mail with writing the e-mail she was talking about and she said she received the e-mail 3 times.


It does not matter how many people believe a particular thing. Lots of people believing something does not make it a fact. It simply means a lot of people share a particular opinion, or that a lot of people are poorly informed."

— C.Clark/Au fait

How do you debunk an e-mail, from an unknown author?

Not believing the statements in the e-mail, I decided to debunk them.

I went searching for the e-mail(s) and found several, I choose the one that follows the author's description of the one she said she received three (3) times the one she wrote about in her article.

This author assumes that "the SUCKER'S (SIC) all true," because she agrees with the content of an e-mail's unknown author's words and ideas. If she does not know who wrote the e-mail, how could she know if it is factual or residue slung from what hit the fan, how does she know "the SUCKER'S (SIC) all true?"


Debunking the e-mail.

How does one go about debunking an anonymous e-mail, author unknown.

My hub is a result of an article that I read about an e-mail that the author of the article claims is true.

The author of the article, (not the e-mails) who seemed to be praising and passing these e-mails off as being the absolute Gospel, and she and her loyal raciest followers, who did not seem to bother to fact check are saying that Barack Hussein Obama and the Democrats are responsible for George W. Bush's last two (2) years in office.

Did Barack Hussein Obama trash George W. Bush's legacy? If President Obama trashed "W's" legacy, he would first have to dig it out of the bottom of the dump and build it up so he could then trash it...



E-mail content:


Remember January 3, 2007
The day the Democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was January 3rd 2007, the day the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and the Senate, the start of the 110th Congress. The Democratic Party gained a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.


Did Lori Ehricke know that President GWB was still in office all of 2007/2008

Ms. Lori Ehricke, believes that the 2008 election of Senators and Congressmen were sworn in January 3, 2007 (at least that is what I felt was implied) It what almost two years before the 2008 election. President George W. Bush was still in office until January 20th, 2009 and the Democrats did not have a SUPER MAJORITY and that is what it would take for them to get anything done.

Could the Democratic House and Senate pass any bill they wanted, when they had to have a supermajority to get anything passed?

The author of the e-mail implied that the Democratic House and Senate could pass any bill they wanted...even though GWB was still the President and would be until President Obama was sworn in, two (2) years and twenty six days (26) later.

Evidently the e-mail author or the author of the article that I read had never heard of the Supermajority, or choose to ignore it. If the e-mail author really believed that the House and Senate could get anything passed, really does not know how the Supermajority works, or he/she is ignoring that FACT.


The new supermajority Video

It's true Democrats took control of the House and had a majority in the Senate as of January 3rd, 2007.

Per Nathan Emmons, Fact Check

Its true Democrats took control of the House and had a majority (not a supermajority) in the Senate as of January 2007.

Bush still retained a veto, and Republicans had enough votes in the Senate to block anything they opposed using the filibuster. So as you may recall, the result was mostly gridlock for those last 2 years.


A list of George W. Bush's vetoes 2006-2008

Source

What is a Filibuster?

Using the filibuster to delay debate or block legislation has a long history. The term filibuster, from a Dutch word meaning "pirate," became popular in the United States during the 1850s when it was applied to efforts to hold the Senate floor in order to prevent action on a bill.

Fixing the Filibuster - The Rachel Maddow Show

Facts of Congress - Filibuster


YES! We want the filibuster to mean more debate, not more bills being killed just because the other party proposed them! ....


The e-mail continued.

This tells the story, why Bush was so bad at the end of his term..
For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that everything is "Bush's Fault," think about this:

January 3rd, 2007, the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress:
The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment rate was 4.6%

George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB CREATION???

Dow Jones closed at?


http://www.nyse.tv/dow-jones-industrial-average-history-djia.htm

The New York Stock Exchange, does not show the January 3rd closing

January 5, 2007 Dow Jones closed at 12,398.01

December 31, 2008 Dow Jones closed at 8,776.39

January 30, 2009 Dow Jones closed at 8,000.86

You brag about the Job Growth of George W. Bush?

Look at this chart.


Source

Your e-mail says: liberals are propagating the fallacy that everything is "Bush's Fault."

Not quite. There is the bill of the three REPUBLICANS a harbinger, of things to come.

Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999/ Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act (GLB) 1999, which eventually led to the economic meltdown.

E-Mail continued

Remember that day...
January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee.
The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy?


Financial services modernization act of 1999/ Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act (GLB) 1999 Part 1.

Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999-Part 2

This video was recorded by CSPAN around

November of 1999. Dorgan failed to pass amendments and was voted down by majorities in both parties.

Rachel Maddow Show: Somebody Saw It Coming-Byron Dorgan

Dow Jones 2007 market crash 50% decline in 17 months

This tells the story, why Bush was so bad at the end of his term..
For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that everything is "Bush's Fault," think about this

January 3rd, 2007, the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress:
The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment rate was 4.6%


Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Housing_Finance_Agency

Per: Wikipedia: The Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA) is an independent federal agency created as the successor regulatory agency resulting from the statutory merger of the Federal Housing Finance Board (FHBA), the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO), and the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development government-sponsored enterprise mission team, absorbing the powers and regulatory authority of both entities, with expanded legal and regulatory authority, including the ability to place government sponsored enterprises (GSEs) into receivership or conservatorship

In its role as regulator, it regulates Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the 12 Federal Home Loan Banks (FHLBanks, or FHLBank System).

The enabling law establishing the FHFA is the Federal Housing Finance Regulatory Reform Act of 2008, which is Division A of the larger Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008, Public Law 110-289, signed on July 30, 2008 by President George W. Bush. One year after the law was signed, the OFHEO and the FHFB shall go out of existence. All existing regulations, orders and decisions of OFHEO and the Finance Board remain in effect until modified or superseded.

On the day of the law's signing, former Director James Lockhart stated:

Bush asked Congress 17 times to stop Fannie & Freddie

(BTW: Bush asked Congress 17 times to stop Fannie & Freddie -starting in 2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy). Barney blocked it and called it a "Chicken Little Philosophy" (and the sky did fall!)

And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac? OBAMA

And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie?
OBAMA and the Democrat Congress, especially BARNEY!!!!


George W. Bush: "We want eveybody in America to own their own home."

2002 Bush Launched Housing Crisis W/Bully Pulpit

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/10/26/913679/-2002-160-Bush-Launched-Housing-Crisis-w-Bully-Pulpit (The title was in all capital letters)

2002 BUSH LAUNCHED HOUSING CRISIS W/BULLY PULLY PULPIT

Bush's words, key points transcribed:

We must Increase home ownership

He addresses lower income families, minorities

We will Create American Dream Down Payment Fund Using taxpayer money

Lack affordable housing units (where did that plan go?)

A tax credit to developers to build low income housing (did that happen?)

Simplify Paperwork

Mel and Alfonso Jackson, will make closing easier

Federal government has to play an important role.

Need others.The real estate industry.The REI benefits.

Create a sustained commitment by the private sector.(Well he did that)

Expand capital to buyers, provide education.Not just a federal responsibility.

Challenged industry leaders to get after it, stay focused, to achieve the goal.

Achieve the goal of a more secure America.

Create 5.5 million new minority home owners.

America's home ownership challenge.

Fannie, Freddie

Increase their commitment to minority minorities 440,000,000,000 ($400 billion).

Thanks Leland and Franklin, conforms to their charters.

Freddie Mac Will purchase more loans made to minorities to

Freddie Mac will initiate 25 initiatives to eliminate home ownership barriers.

I understand that in this country there are too many people who say "American Dream?" "What American dream?"

We need to make sure, for the security of this country, that the dream is alive.

Those with poor credit will get a mortgage with an interest rate that automatically goes down after a period of consistent payments.


Bush Asked Congress 17 times to stop Fanny & Freddie?

WHAT?
Bush Asked Congress 17 times to stop Fanny & Freddie?

Why would he do that when on 9/24/2008, Bush, himself was promoting Fannie and Freddie.

Did you watch the above video, and hear Bush's promoting of F&F

E-mail (Cont.) so when someone tried to blame Bush..

So when someone tries to blame Bush...
REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007....THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!"

Bush may have been in the car but the Democrats were in charge of the gas pedal and steering wheel they were driving the economy into the ditch.

Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democratic Party.

Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009 as well as 2010 & 2011.

In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases.


The truth behind the Federal Budget


Uploaded by seeprogress on Jan 17, 2007

Starting from 1921 the President was asked to prepare the Budget, since then that is how it is done. NOT THE Congress.

Center for American Progress Senior Fellow Scott Lilly explains the pomp and ceremony around the release of the President's budget obscures the real budget process, which begins several weeks later when federal agencies send their budget needs to Congress.

Budget Breakdown: Episode One

Budget Breakdown: Episode TWO

The e-mail (Cont.) – Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid bypassed George Bush


For 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the 2009 budget.

And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete 2009. Let's remember what the deficits looked like during that period:


Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid bypassed George Bush?

2009 Bush was no longer President; he no longer had anything to do with the budget, or whatever you are talking about.

January 29, 2009 - President Obama was sworn into office, he was no longer a member of Congress. So... President Obama would have been in the White House.

Aren't your tea baggers on top of everything (Ya'll know what I mean.)

Bush has doubled National Debt with Deficits

The e-mail (Cont.) – If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit!

If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets.

If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself.

In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is, "I inherited a deficit that I voted for,
And then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th, 2009."

What did Obama inherited? - 2007 was George Bush's deficit?

Say again!

What did Obama inherited? - 2007 was George Bush's deficit?

National Debt Exploding under Bush (pushing $10 TRILLION!)

The e-mail (Cont.) There is no way this will be publicized.

There is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us passes it on.


You can count on this being passed on!

You can count on this being passed on! Complete with videos and the truth. And, I hope you will also pass THIS on!

Rachel Maddow - Bush tax cuts leave stinging legacy

The e-mail (end) "The problems we face today exist"

"The problems we face today exist because the people who WORK for a living are outnumbered by those who VOTE for a living."


The voters who vote for a living!

The voters who vote for a living, are only people who sold their vote!

© 2012 Shyron E Shenko

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      Shyron E Shenko 7 months ago from Texas

      My Esoteric, thanks for your comment.

      What President if any, rise to you standards?

      Gerald Ford was a descent President, as was Jimmy Carter, John F. Kennedy, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton would have made a fantastic President.

      I think a better question would be what President did not serve in the interest of the American People.

      Sorry I don’t know anything about a Parliamentary government.

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      Shyron E Shenko 7 months ago from Texas

      Au fait, thank you for the comment. Yes the Republican presidents were all crooks, no surprise there. That is also why there is no surprise that most of the Republicans go along with any thing the trump wants.

      Sorry it took so long to get back to you but I have had the flu, as you probably guessed.

      Hope all is well with you.

      Blessings my dear friend.

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      My Esoteric 7 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      What President, if any, rise to your standards?

      What form of government do you think works best? Parliamentary?

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      Shyron E Shenko 7 months ago from Texas

      My Esoteric, You are absolutely right about trump and the Republicans not having the gumption/balls to stand-up to him, but I think they would risk anything to get the power they so greedily crave even at the risk of destroying our country.

      But, I think the Republicans plan to impeach trump as soon as he is sworn in and replace him with Pence, which would be worse than trump.

      I really appreciate you and I thank you for your comment.

      Blessings my friend.

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      My Esoteric 7 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      I don't know if W had a legacy to trash, save for his appropriate response to 9/11 with attacking the Taliban and al Qaeda on their home turf. But his invasion of Iraq, the tax cut for the rich, his near depression does not a legacy make.

      Trump, on the other hand, is starting out very badly as President-elect, not to mention his despicable performance during the campaign (which the Right apparently finds endearing). So far he has continued to break all of the rules, but this time America's safety and standing in the world is at risk, if not already damaged. He believes Vladimir Putin's propaganda more than he does our own intelligence agencies. He has already chosen to ignore a long-term Russian cyber-attack on America's electoral process and side with Putin while saying America needs to "get over" having our democratic institution, the foundation of our Constitution, so blatantly violated.

      I am scared to death about the damage #NoMandateTrump is going to do America because the Right-wing doesn't have the balls or gonads to stand up to him and put the brakes on.

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      C E Clark 7 months ago from North Texas

      As I've said so many times previously, Little George trashed his own legacy (personal responsibility and all that). However, like Sarah Palin for example, Trump changes a lot of things by making these people look better than they used to. He of course does that by looking so bad himself, and by entering the contest previously won by Dubya, for worst president in the history of the U.S. Bad when your chances of winning that contest are practically a slam dunk and you haven't even been sworn in yet.

      Did you ever notice that every Republican president since Nixon (and including Nixon, but excluding Gerald Ford) were crooks of one sort or another? As a result of their poor judgement, should Republicans even be allowed to vote?

      Hope you feel better soon and that John is well. Take care dear friend. TTYL

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      Shyron E Shenko 15 months ago from Texas

      Au fait, thank you for the comment and for sharing.

      Blessings and hugs to you also my dear friend.

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      C E Clark 15 months ago from North Texas

      Someone asked in the feed today, "If Trump becomes President, will he be an embarrassment to our country and/or to the Republican Party? I didn't know the Republican Party could be embarrassed. Trump has been saying the same things Republicans have been saying for years, especially since they welcomed the Tea Baggers into their midst. Trump is different though, because he is saying the same things, but much LOUDER.

      Republicans know no shame. Nothing is too low for them to go. Taking medical care and food stamps away from veterans and their families and even from active duty volunteers. Shame on America for allowing these things to happen. No veteran should ever come home to homelessness, yet 26% of all homeless people ARE veterans. If that doesn't embarrass Americans or Republican Americans, what will?

      How could anyone at all possibly trash GW's legacy more than he did himself?

      Sharing.

      Blessings and hugs for you dear friend. Take care . . .

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      C E Clark 2 years ago from North Texas

      Can you believe all the Republicans that tried to undermine the U.S. in negotiations with Iran? Is that the new patriotic? They love to throw that word around and now finally we get their definition of it! Wow! They should all be charged and tried for treason.

      They don't even know anything about our Constitution yet they say Democrats are trampling on it. They are clearly incompetent for having no knowledge of the Constitution, and enemies of this country for trying to undermine this country's interests and for trying to get this country into still another war for what they hope will be political gain. So many people would die for their chintzy political aspirations -- and most of them call themselves Christians!

      Seems to me they trash themselves with no assistance whatever from anyone else. Sharing this again.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      Au fait, Dubya is to busy with his rich buddies, the developer lives in Dubya's neighborhood. Don't know maybe he will campaign for his brother, but I doubt it, Jeb would probably be a better President (Just Barely) and Dubya would hate the his brother once again bested him.

      I have been busy with going to all those meetings and yard work, can't do every thing I want/need to do.

      Blessings/Hugs Dear friend.

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      C E Clark 2 years ago from North Texas

      Rarely hear anything from Dubya. Guess he's camera shy. Wonder if he'll campaign for his brother? Maybe even be in his cabinet if he wins -- Secretary of State or something? Of course if he sets foot in certain places overseas he'll be arrested for war crimes . . .

      Sharing with followers.

      Haven't seen you lately. Hope that developer guy isn't being too much of a pest and that everything else is OK too. Take care . . .

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      Au fait,

      Thank you for your comment, up votes and sharing.

      I am not sure that Dubya had any misfortunes. Even if you went way back, he, bush could fall in a pile of ships and walk away with a fist full of dollars, like when he started his Arbusto Oil and Energy, his oil business. His investors included Salem benLaden, brother of Osama. When his business was failing, he sold it for millions more than it cost him, and he left his investors high and dry, and he made millions. That is not misfortune. www.nndb.com/company/837/000051684/

      Spectrum 7, his exploration and development company, as one writer said was hemorrhaging money. Harken Oil and Gas, bought Spectrum for millions and even hired Dubya as a Board Member. That is not misfortune. Washingtonpost.com: Bush Name Helps Fuel Oil Dealings.

      Dubya, did not win the 2000 election, but had it handed to him, by the supreme court. And that is not misfortune except for everyone else, the American people, Iraq, and it cost him nothing.

      www.rense.com/general57/aale.htm 9/11?

      I hope all is well with you this morning.

      Blessings.

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      C E Clark 2 years ago from North Texas

      To answer your title's question, of course he did. Republicans are never responsible for their own words or actions. As Nicomp would say, I'm surprised Dubya hasn't blamed either Obama or Clinton for his own misfortune. Anyone but himself.

      Voted up and more, and shared. Hope all is well there . . .

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      DealForALiving, thank you for the comment. GWB can't stand on his own two feet, with or without a legacy.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      Au fait, thank you for your comments and sharing this again. Yes, he is the personal responsibility mascott, (LOL) of the party of NO.

      Have you ever seen a child who first learned the word no? No food stamps for the hungry, no shelter for the homeless, no raise in minimum wages for the soon to be homeless, no unions to bargain for raising minimum wages, no more public schoold.

      No more voting for someone to represent the working class. NO MORE!

      Did you hear that Eric Cantor got a job on wall street, earning 3.4 million a year?

      Thank you dear friend, sleep well.

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      Sam Deal 2 years ago from Earth

      More hot potato when someones legacy can't stand on its own two feet.

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      C E Clark 2 years ago from North Texas

      Who could possibly be responsible for GW's legacy except GW? Isn't he a member of the 'Personal Responsibility' Party?

      Sharing this again. Good talking to you and glad all is well at your house. Take care . . .

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      My Esoteric, thank you for commenting further on this subject.

      I have heard many reasons why President Bush chose the path to war with Iraq that he did. The ones that I do not believe are the ones he, Cheney and Rumsfeld gave.

      I appreciate you and your opinion is always welcome.

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      My Esoteric 3 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Your quite welcome, Shyron. In looking at some of the comments, I see Bush is taking quite a personal lambasting. To me, that is unfortunate. While I did lose a lot of respect for him as a President and a man during his two terms, I have gained a lot of it back for W. as a person since he has left office.

      His philosophies will always be atrocious; but I have come to believe his heart has, for the most part, been in the right place (not so for his helpmates Cheney and Rumsfeld). One reason I say this is from a comment above, which I have heard him say before, about "he doesn't need to add to the President's woes".

      Another was a radio talk show where he explained why he abandoned long-held conservative fiscal principles and authorized and fought for TARP to help save the country from a depression (it still took Obama's stimulus to insure it). The more I have heard about his reasoning and rationals, the more I have come to understand, though not agree with why he did what he did.

      The big mystery will always be why he attacked or allowed himself to be persuaded to attack Iraq while abandoning Afghanistan and the terrorists. I don't think he believes he made a mistake there; that there were better courses of action to achieve the same end.

      He will still be saddled with being one of the worst Presidencies in history, but I know longer hold him the ill-will I use to.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      My Esoteric, I am so happy to see you here! I thank you for your comments on the information and I agree with your last statement about understanding your enemy first.

      I really appreciate you and your opinion.

      Have a great day

      Shyron

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      My Esoteric 3 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Unfortunately, I have to agree with @Author Cheryl, I found the format very confusing. Nevertheless, the point you are trying to make is spot on!

      To understand the type of people who pass on tripe like these letters, one has to understand the RWA (right-wing authoritarian) personality type. It is not like they are stupid, mean, illiterate, or many of the other adjectives I see hurled their way (and hurled right back) it part "how they see the world" and a lot "their trust in the authority figures they have come to lean on to sort things out for them."

      If nobody was like that, Hitler, Lenin and their historical counterparts would have failed. To defeat your enemy, you have to understand them first.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Timetraveler2, thank you for stopping to join this discussion. I hope you have a blessed day.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Jaye, I live in a red state and most everyone I know is Republican. I was invited by one of these Republicans to a card party where they ganged up on me (Republican ambush - When the Left is Right and Right is Wrong.) After I published this they do not speak to me any more. But, it is what it is.

      Thank God for people like you, who can see the truth and have the courage to speak it.

      Have a good Sunday

      Shyron

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      TIMETRAVELER2 3 years ago

      People will always believe whatever they want to believe, whether it is true or not. This is not only stupid, it is irresponsible. When I get emails like the one you are discussing, I research it and then send it back to the person who sent it with me telling them it is not true and to please let everybody they sent it to know this and ask them to do the same. I doubt they do it, but I choose to let them know that at least one person they know has some intelligence. It's disgusting.

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      Jaye Denman 3 years ago from Deep South, USA

      Everyone I personally know who is Republican (and that's WAY too many) realize they can't 'reform' me, so the topic of politics has been banned from our conversations. Haha. It's also one of the reasons I stay away from Facebook. Since I live in Jackson, Mississippi, I'm surrounded by Republicans and tea baggers. However, I also realize I can't 'convert' them into Democrats either. We just maintain a peaceful truce. Still, I don't hesitate to send them links to articles like this one!

      Bless you, too, Shyron, and keep publishing the facts.

      Jaye

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Jaye, I am so happy you found this article, as you know the GOP make up their own "facts" to suit their own situation. If it is good, give credit to Bush, if it is bad give blame to President Obama.

      I had to rebut that GOP propaganda piece, I kept getting it in my e-mail, even from my friends who think the can reform me into becoming a Republican.

      Bless you Jaye and thank you for the thumb-up.

      Shyron

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      Word 3 years ago from Chicago

      Ok, perhaps I should have addressed it only to you. I should have thanked her for sharing your hub. My bad.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Word55, I did not know that Religious leaders were appointed, it is my understanding that different Religions are asked to invoke prayers at the appropriate times, I could be wrong about that.

      Maybe that would be a good subject for you to write a hub about.

      BTW just curious as to why you address comments to both Au fait and myself?

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Au fait, you are so right, bush did trash his own legacy. Can you imagine if he were a Liberal when he deserted during the Vietnam Ware, he would have at least been dishonorably discharged. If Berghdal were a Consertative and deserted (which has not been proven yet) he would be nominated for President 2016.

      I hope all is well with you.

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      Jaye Denman 3 years ago from Deep South, USA

      Shyron - I somehow missed this hub when it was first published. Glad it came across my feed today. And thank you for rebutting that stupid erroneous email (or should I say GOP propaganda piece) with research and FACTS. "Facts"--you know, those inconvenient things that Republicans want to sweep under the rug while they circulate their fictional accounts.

      Voted Up, Useful, Awesome and Interesting

      Jaye

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      Word 3 years ago from Chicago

      Hi Syron E and Au Fait, this was a clear justification of the subject matter. Thank you... Now, I have a different subject. There is a problem with Obama's appointments of religious leaders in his cabinet or office. Can you touch on those objectives in the future?

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      C E Clark 3 years ago from North Texas

      Seems to me Bush trashed his own legacy. You know, personal responsibility and all that? Seems hypocritical to me to keep pointing at other people regarding personal responsibility but not accepting any for one's self.

      Voting this up and awesome. Pinning to AH and sharing. Hope you had a great 4th. Pretty quiet here amazingly.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Ruby, I know I heard the same thing, and in Doonsbury (G.B. Trudeau) comics, he thinks so too. He Jeb Bush wants to finish what his father and brother started. And the old saying is: 'The third time is charm.'

      Thank you for reading this, my dear friend.

      Blessings to you.

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 3 years ago from Southern Illinois

      OMG this is great. I hear a buzz that Jeb is going to run. Please God don't let it happen. Go Hillary!!!

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Think your loyalties are a bit misplaced BILL. I hardly think NOT closing Guantanamo even begins to compare to washboarding, or Abu Ghraib, or killing thousands of Iraqis as well as our own soldiers because of an ego trip.

      NOT closing Guantanamo is the worst accusation you can make about Obama???? Then why are you bothering?

      What Bush did was similar to Lord Valdemort, while Obama has been chewing gum in class --or you he say has failed to close a prison that the Republicans love? Republicans want to keep Guantanamo open as you well know and they have the power to do so and so they are.

      I can't believe you would compare not closing a prison simply because he said he would to washboarding, Abu Ghraib, and the thousands of deaths that happened in Iraq because Bush and Co. invaded. That's like comparing Charley Manson to a litterbug.

      Congratulations, you are the most incredible Republican I have ever known. Read my hub on Incredible Republican Quotes and see what incredible means.

      You are so funny, Bill. But why are you picking on a nice lady like Jen? She's not even a hubber. She just reads our stuff because we're friends. She's not into politics. She's just a nice grandmother who wants to help our writing careers along a little if she can.

      What has Tony Blair to do with anything? I believe he was referred to in England as Dubya's lap dog. Do you know anything about anything you are trying to write about???

      Money and his daddy's power is what saved Dubya's ass. There's proof he went AWOL all right and it was shown in the documents that say he wasn't on base when he was supposed to be and nobody could find him.

      Jane Fonda made a mistake out of ignorance. Dubya is a pantywaist, not only because he was too chicken and too scared to serve. A lot of guys were, but Dubya not only shirked his own responsibility, but he sent other people to war to die. After going AWOL like a chicken-shit spoiled rich baby, he sent other people to a war that never should have happened -- to die! He didn't have the guts to meet his own responsibilities, but he sure had no qualms about sending other people to do what he didn't have the guts to do. Talk about a coward!

      So that's your hero? I'd laugh but it's too disgusting.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @Bill, when was Jane Fonda in the military?

      If you Google Wars you will find Vietnam listed.

      Tony Blair? Didn't he lose his last election bid? I thought he was Prime Minister, Is that the U.K.'s military? I don't think so.

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      Bill 4 years ago

      @shyron

      "Mr. Bush did terrible things before he was in office and if he were a poor man, he would have been tried for treason in this country. I do believe that desertion during time of war (i.e. Vietnam) is punishable by death."

      Vietnam was not a declared war. That is what saved Jane Fonda. The United States has not declared war since WW2. There is also no proof that George Bush is guilty of desertion. Do you know what desertion is?

      "Yes, I remember "Downing Street" in the U.K., and I have news paper clippings about that, funny that Republicans/tea baggers never mention in."

      Are you forgetting the same folks want to go after Tony Blair?

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      Bill 4 years ago

      George Bush on criticizing Obama:

      "I don't think it does any good," Bush said Monday in an exclusive interview with CNN's Robyn Curnow in Zambia, where he was helping to renovate a women's clinic. "It's a hard job. He's got plenty on his agenda. It's difficult. A former president doesn't need to make it any harder. Other presidents have taken different decisions; that's mine."

      @jen

      "With all the terrible things Mr. Bush did while he was in office that even the British warned him back when he was promoting his new book that they would arrest him for war crimes if he set foot in England, well, I think it's pretty bad to be accused of war crimes. Do you remember them doing that? And so he didn't go to England. What an embarrassment for this country if one of our presidents were to be put on trial for that! My goodness! All that washboarding and other tortures. What is this country coming to?"

      Yes, thank goodness we have Barack Obama in power now who closed down Guantanamo just like he promised five years ago and brought us peace.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Jen for choosing this hub to read. I do appreciate your comments, and that you read my hubs.

      I agree with you, that the two presidents are not at odds with each other.

      Mr. Bush did terrible things before he was in office and if he were a poor man, he would have been tried for treason in this country. I do believe that desertion during time of war (i.e. Vietnam) is punishable by death.

      Yes, I remember "Downing Street" in the U.K., and I have news paper clippings about that, funny that Republicans/tea baggers never mention in.

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      Jen 4 years ago

      This reading on Hubpages is getting to be a habit on the nights when I can't sleep very well. This is a very interesting piece. I can't think why anyone would be to blame for Mr. Bush's legacy except himself. I think Mr. Obama has said some nice things about Mr. Bush too, if I remember correctly. I don't think the two presidents are at odds with each other in their personal lives.

      With all the terrible things Mr. Bush did while he was in office that even the British warned him back when he was promoting his new book that they would arrest him for war crimes if he set foot in England, well, I think it's pretty bad to be accused of war crimes. Do you remember them doing that? And so he didn't go to England. What an embarrassment for this country if one of our presidents were to be put on trial for that! My goodness! All that washboarding and other tortures. What is this country coming to?

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Bill for your comment. You are right, I guess it is to difficult to talk with you foot stuck in your mouth.

      He did enough damage when he was in office. Laying low, he thinks everything will cool off.

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      Bill 4 years ago

      What a terrible man. He left office and hasn't criticized the current administration or the president. He spends his time talking to his neighbors and participating in Wounded Warrior events. He regularly holds events on his ranch for veterans. What an evil human being.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Jo, thank you for the read, compliment, comment, voting and sharing.

      Hugs and Blessings my friend Shalom ;D

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      Jo_Goldsmith11 4 years ago

      Wow. You have done an outstanding job on this article!

      Your sources were great and verified. I enjoyed the easy reading and I was truly fascinated where each subject would take me next. I was pleased with the completed article and worth my time reading, voting and sharing. +++ :)

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Aunt Jimi for your comment. You are right, GWB does not have a legacy.

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Only Dubya can trash his own legacy, such as it is.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      You are welcome, always. :-D

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Indeed! Many thanks for your kind words! :D

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Suzanne, really appreciate your comments. You are right about his trashed legacy. He is also a trator. from when he deserted the Vietnam War and the Air National Guard. Desertion (AWOL) during time of war is treason.

      God bless you Suzanne

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Oh please! GWBs "legacy" is trash. He said himself that he doesn't care what history thinks of him. He's made his bed, let him lie in it!

      Voted up and interesting!

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Au fait, I had forgotten about that. I need to look at some of my older notes. If I put my older notes into a hub and Romney is elected, people will think I am a prophet lol. (not that our situation if funny like ha ha).

      Thank you again for your comments.

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      C E Clark 4 years ago from North Texas

      No one has trashed GW's legacy except GW. You may recall that he changed his mind about going to England to promote his book a couple of years ago because he was told by the Brits that if he came there he would be arrested for war crimes.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you R2-D2-2, Your comment is right on target.

      I just published another hub about the secret video of the 47% and the gaffs explained by T.J. Walker.

      I did not even realize all the lies that were in the video.

      Thanks again for reading my hub and you comment!

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      R2-D2-2 4 years ago from USA

      We're so lucky to be rid of GW. I hope people don't vote to put his clone in office next month. Things are already so bad that 4 years of a Bush clone would finish whats left of this country off.

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      Shyron E Shenko 5 years ago from Texas

      Thank you J. Your reasonable comment, is most welcome.

      I appreciate your reading my hub, and the way you put everything into perspective.

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      J. Donovan 5 years ago

      The Constitution calls for a simple majority, not a super majority, and yes, I know the new Republican rules require 60% of the House in favor before anything can pass. Which is why everything was blocked even after Obama came into office.

      Thought the Republican Tea Party wanted to go back to the original Constitution when women weren't allowed to vote and African Americans were still slaves and only considered 3/5 human?

      Well, it's not in the Constitution that the House should have to have a super majority to pass a bill. The Constitution calls for a simple majority. So I guess the Republican Tea Party is OK with things being Un-Constitutional so long as they're getting what they want -- people dying from no healthcare and African Americans "in their place."

      A lot of Republican Tea Baggers are women and so I guess they aren't aware that women couldn't vote until 1920? I guess they don't know that going back to the original Constitution would mean they have to sit down and shut up until their father, husband, brother, or some man tells them it's OK to talk?

      Remember when Christine O'Donnell made such an idiot of herself because after all the stomping and yelling about the Constitution she didn't even know what was in it herself? She didn't realize we have freedom of religion in this country!

      I can't imagine any person with good judgment or any kind of intelligence would believe an email that no one wants to claim as their own. No way of knowing who wrote the thing and if there's any truth in it at all! I don't even read those things. They're always just about trashing someone with garbage for what passes as facts to the ignorant. I've seen them for both parties and I ignore them. Not enough time in the day to waste on stupid forwarded emails that are usually wrong anyway no matter what politician they're about.

      Is it any wonder our country is such a disaster when so many people get their news and their information from forwarded emails with no author willing to take responsibility for sending it??? And these people who are so gullible as to believe some fodder that shows up in their email is factual -- they actually believe themselves smart for believing it! Talk about Suckers . . .

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      Shyron E Shenko 5 years ago from Texas

      I would imagine that no budget was passed as written, especially if it was delivered to the President's opposing team (i.e. Congress) of the other party.

      The opposing "team" would surely, believe they are smarter than the President, and to "WIN" at any cost would want to rewrite the budget, to make their party look more intelligent and the President look less intelligent.

      You can tell by the bloviating (as Bill O'Reilly would say) by Paul Ryan that, he thinks he is smarter than President Obama.

      Thanks again flacoinohio for you comments.

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      flacoinohio 5 years ago from Ohio

      So how many times did Congress refuse to approve a Budget unless concessions were made? I think Congress believes they should write the budget.

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      Shyron E Shenko 5 years ago from Texas

      Thank you flacoinohio, I agree with you to some extent but, my hub was not about who is the most culpable. It is about an e-mail that stated that, the Congress in general and the President in particularthe were responsible for the last two years of GWB's presidency, and that is just not the case.

      And, the e-mail implied that Congress writes the budget, that is just not the case.

      I know that because Paul Ryan has written a so called "budget" makes it look that way. I think Paul Ryan is just cramming for finals to become Romney's Veep.

      I do appreciate the feed back.

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      Shyron E Shenko 5 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Cheryl for reading my hub and you feed back.

      The reason for the repeat of headlines:

      1st one is the e-mail section that it pertained to.

      2nd is my reply to that e-mail section, instead of just replying and have someone think: "I did not see that in the e-mail."

      But maybe you are right it would be better to have someone reading my response and have to go back to reread the e-mail and then back to my response.

      Thank you, appreciate the tips!

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      flacoinohio 5 years ago from Ohio

      I dont blame just one party, both are guilty of creating laws that benefit large corporations. Every single member of congress and the house is a millionaire and since they have become an elected official each has become worth millions more. Our government is no longer about the people, it is about personal gain at the expense of the people.

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      Cheryl A Whitsett 5 years ago from Jacksonville, Fl

      Why do you repeat your headlines in a sentence. This hub is very confusing to me.