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Did the 2012 Election Cause Republicans to Seek Secession?

Updated on August 11, 2016

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So you want to to secede? Why don't you stomp your little foot, like a skunk who is getting ready to stink-up everything in sight?

Do the crybaby brats want to secede because they lost the Presidency in 2008 and 2012 or both? Or do they want to secede because of who won the Presidency?

If you want to secede, go ahead and secede! Then what?

I guess that is one way to kill-off Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

Why don't you stomp your little foot, like a skunk who is getting ready to stink-up everything in sight?

Do you think that by secession you can de-legitimize our President, who not only got the most votes, but also, the most electoral votes?

Are you one of the individuals who signed a petition of secession?

Mr./Mrs./Ms. are you one of the people who signed the secession petition?

Are you sure you know what you signed? Are you so independently wealthy that you will not need Social Security to live on and, if you get sick, will you have enough money to pay the hospital and doctor bills and private insurance?

With secession, you will not have Obama Care? This is one of the reasons for secession, to eviscerate, The Affordable Care Act.

Let us pretend you have seceded from the United States of America! Let us say you are Now the Country of Texas. What now?

Seceder! Is Rick Perry your President, your Dictator, or still your Governor? (Oops you are no longer a state, cross off governor.)

How will you determine who, Rules/Dictates/Leads? Will you have an election for a new president? What do you do if you have two people running to 'Rule the Roost,' and the one who loses is a sore loser (like Mitt Romney)?

Where will your tax monies come from? Will you start a new state income tax? (Oops, You are no longer a state!)

(Uh-oh, I just put a new idea into your head if you are not successful at secession.)

Where will your revenue come from? Do you intend to take the homes, property and monies of the people who did not secede with you, then send these people to a different state, on a trail of tears? Like the white man did to the Indians in the Eastern states, when they first came to this country and wanted the Indian's land, homes and property, and took everything from them , including their dignity, then sent them on a trail of tears to Oklahoma, where they were forced to live on reservations?

Now that you have seceded, what will you call it, a Commonwealth, maybe? Can't be, you are no longer associated with the United States.

How will you pay Social Security, and provide Medicare to seniors, seniors, who have paid into these programs all our working lives?

Very Slick, Sly

Oh, I get it now, this is how you and you Cabal plan to end Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. VERY SLICK, SLY!

Seniors! Did you pay into Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid all your working life and now that you are retired and live in Texas? What do you/we do when Texas is no longer a state?

You will have to go back to work, if you were unable to save for your retirement. You will have to get private Insurance, if you don't have a pre-existing conditions. And if you do get insurance and you get sick, private insurance has term limits and when you reach it, private insurers will drop you like a hot potato. Think you can go to the emergency room? The lines at the emergency rooms will be longer than the disenfranchised voters on Election Day.

Maybe you will not have elections, maybe you signed to have the dictator/leader appoint your ruler.

If your party had won the presidential election would you still sign to secede? Does this make you a sore loser, just like Mr. Romney?

I just read on the internet that only 24,000 signatures from any one state are needed to have President Obama address the petition to secede. There are four times that many people in my town.

You want to secede, go ahead, go, and leave this country; you are free to leave any time. Maybe you can go with Newt Gingrich and colonize the moon. Maybe you can take Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor, Kevin McCarthy, Mitch McConnell and John Boehner with you; they can attempt to shut off our moonlight, instead of trying to sabotage the US Economy and denigrate the Presidency of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Like the song goes "I'm proud to be an American" the one that has these words, "You're are walking on the fighting side of me, running-down a way of life our fighting men have fought and died to keep. If you don't love it leave, let this song that I'm singing be a warning. When you are running down my Country, man, you are walking on the fighting side of me!"

Louisiana is another state seeking secession

The GOP is revving it's engines and gearing up for the 2014 and 2016 elections. That is if they don't secede first.

Bobby Jindal, with your term as governor up in 2014 and if you don't win the 2016 election, why don't you just go to the moon with Newt and crew.

2016 Political hopeful , Bobby Jindal, gets a letter from Melissa Harris-Perry - "Video no longer available"

Why I research politics

This man said in one paragraph why I am researching politics:

From David Podvin's 8/10/2003 -- The Media Cover-up of the Gore Victory

David Podvin said this in 2003 but, it is as true today as it was then.

He said "We are looking forward to further erosion of our civil liberties, endless war, and depression, unless the Republicans are soundly defeated. They can only be soundly defeated if we have election reform (among other things). We can only have reform if we fully understand and acknowledge what happened in the last election. (i.e. 2000 election) When the man who was elected president is not the man in the White House, something is seriously wrong.

What is that something? How did it happen? Why did it happen? Once we know those things, only then can we start to believe we might have fair elections in the future.

Four years is a long time. Will the Citizens of the states that want to secede remember? Most of these states have Republican Governors.

© 2012 Shyron E Shenko

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      Shyron E Shenko 15 months ago from Texas

      Au fait, Mr. Trump may have gotten into this race for a different reason, but once his head began to swell he could not get it back out the door he just came in.

      Bernie on the other hand is criticizing the Democratic Party and calling names which tells me he does not believe what he is preaching, and he is acting like a spoiled child who kicks and screams when he does not get his way.

      Well, I don't know when it will stop raining so I can cut the grass.

      Blessings and hugs dear friend.

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      C E Clark 15 months ago from North Texas

      I wonder how many Republicans will go to Canada as a result of Trump being their nominee? Wonder how angry they're gonna be when he turns back into a Democrat . . . Don't think I've heard much from Teabaggers. Do they favor Trump because he's an outsider? Or do they hate him? Sharing.

      Pretty toasty today. Hope you were/are in a cool place and that all is well with you. Blessings and hugs dear friend. Good luck with the issues you're dealing with now.

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      Shyron E Shenko 18 months ago from Texas

      Au fait, thank you for the comments and for sharing. I don't know about the craziness that is going on in Chicago and other places. I think a lot of those people just want to be in a fight of some kind, they should think about joining the military.

      Yes it is interesting.

      Hope all is well with you

      Blessings and Hugs always.

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      C E Clark 18 months ago from North Texas

      I'm surprised not to have heard anything about secession so far during this election! Maybe when it comes down to Trump and Hillary the crazies will come out in full force. Some promising to leave this county if Hillary is elected and some promising to eave if Trump is elected, and some determined to leave (they say), if either candidate win.

      Should be interesting. Sharing.

      Hope you and John are having a relaxing peaceful evening. Take care . . .

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      Shyron E Shenko 20 months ago from Texas

      Au fait thank you for the comments and sharing. Cruz's is going to sell the US to Canada, isn't that sort of the same thing.

      Hope you are warm and dry.

      Blessings and Hugs

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      Shyron E Shenko 20 months ago from Texas

      Audrey, thank you so much for the comment. I am so glad that this made you chuckle.

      Blessings and hugs dear friend

      Shyron

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      Audrey Howitt 20 months ago from California

      Oh this made me chuckle today!

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      C E Clark 20 months ago from North Texas

      Wonder why we haven't heard anything about secession during this election season? Should think it would be on the tip of Cruz's lips.

      Sharing.

      Hope all's well. Take care . . . .

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      I have to laugh, I love this excitement and stir that the Donald has created. Funny that you mention secession. Rick Perry the governor of our, I should say ex-governor sought secession, but wanted to be President of the ALL the other states. Smart! Maybe Perry thinks he can pardon himself if he is convicted in the indictments. Surprised the GOP is not having Ollie North run for President. Humm..wonder if the crowd is from the same gene-pool?

      Thank you for the comment, and for sharing this.

      Boy you said a mouth full "no relief in sight" and I am sick of the dryness.

      Hope you are staying well.

      Blessings and hugs to you as well.

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      C E Clark 2 years ago from North Texas

      Wonder how The Donald feels about secession? His base is growing and his poll #'s keep rising. He's far ahead of all the other candidates. I got to listen to him speak in Iowa yesterday. Everyone in his audience was mesmerized. Seems from reports that he can say or do no wrong. Should be interesting to see how this all plays out. Sharing again.

      Hope you're being sensible and spending very little time outdoors in this heat. No relief in sight. Take care . . . hugs and blessings . .

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      Au fait, these folks who want to destroy everything for the poor, Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security/Food Stamps have no shame and are not likely to acquire any, not even if God forbid they get their way. Remember Soylent Green, the movie. youtube.com/watch?v=9IKVj4l5GU4

      When people died in the street, they became food for the Rich.

      Hope you are warm and dry.

      Take care and God Bless and keep you.

      I know If

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      C E Clark 2 years ago from North Texas

      You'd think they'd be running for the hills in shame after this last debacle with 47 of them signing a letter to circumvent the law (the Constitution they are always accusing others of trampling on) and committing treason in a most egregious yet sophomoric way. But in fact they have no shame. Did you know they're planning another huge cut to food stamps? The last one was only 8 Billion and look at the damage it did! This one is to be 100 Billion. Will there be anything left of the program at all?

      Shared again. If Hillary does decide to run I'm sure several of them will say they want to leave the country -- or more likely, try to force cession on the rest of us. Sharing again.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Every time I tried from 8am this morning when start to answer your comment my browser locked up. Called Microsoft and they wanted $149. to ans a question the number went to the Philippines. This morning the number I called she said was Los Angeles, but I could hardly understand her and she wanted to access my computer remotely.

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      C E Clark 3 years ago from North Texas

      Wonder if Texas will try to seek secession again now that one of the conservative favorite sons who promoted secession just a few years ago on the steps of the state house along with a group of Tea Baggers is in hot water.

      "Grand jurors charged Perry, 63, with abuse of official capacity, a first-degree felony, and coercion of a public official. Perry must now turn himself in to the Travis County Jail, where he will be booked, fingerprinted and have his mug shot taken, according to KVUE-TV."

      According to USA Today: "The indictment stems from the drunk driving arrest last year of Travis County District Attorney Rosemary Lehmberg, who was captured on video berating officers following her arrest. She served jail time, underwent counseling and returned to her post.

      Perry called for Lehmberg's resignation and, when she refused, vetoed $7.5 million in state funding for the public integrity unit that she oversees. The withholding forced Lehmberg to cut some staff in that office."

      Unfortunate when ordinary people get caught up in politics just because they were there. Several staff people lost their jobs because Perry withheld funding to their unit and so there was no money to pay them. He punished these staff people even though they had no part in their boss's drunk driving incident. Nice guy, but now it turns out he abused his power by doing so. Could be bye-bye presidency.

      Hope you'll have a good weekend. It's supposed to be 100 degrees + for the next 10 days, so I also hope you're planning to stay in. Blessings to you and John . . .

      Voted up, UIA , pinned to AH, and sharing.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Not sure if Jeb will run or not. He is grooming George Prescott Bush to run one day, I under he running for the Senate. Prescott was Jeb's grandfather. According to the Bush Book by Anton Chaitkin and Webster Tarpley in the book "George Bush the Unauthorized Biography" the government shut down Prescott Bush's bank because he was funding Hitler's take over. In the book is a copy of the article from the news paper.

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      C E Clark 3 years ago from North Texas

      If Jeb Bush turns out to be the GOP presidential candidate they may seek secession to get away from their own candidate since he's considered to be one of those dreaded intellectuals who both reads AND thinks! (I'm not sure all that is true, but since when to Republicans care about truth?) ;)

      Pinning this to AH and sharing.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Jo, I don't know how anyone can vote for this man he does not care about people who cannot help him in some way.

      Thank you for the votes and sharing.

      (((((Hugs))))) I love your way of sending hugs.

      Sis

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      Jo_Goldsmith11 3 years ago

      Bravo~! Bravo Shyron! I know we are all on the verge of a wake up call! Ky Senator McConnell is sending his B.S. television ads to our homes non stop about coal. And how he will fight for Kentucky coal jobs! He doesn't care or bother to know that coal is part of the reason for global warming and the unfortunate deaths to coal miners~! The coal miners don't have the protection in place. We here in Kentucky don't see McConnell make issues of the lives that are lost. We need courage to vote the right person in and not to *buy* into politics as usual!

      Great hub here! voted up all the way. Shared.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Au fait, for the votes and sharing and all that you do.

      You are right about how they don't want to play when they can't make up the rules to swing the game in their favor.

      They have started already to try to discredit Hillary with Benghazi made up scandal, and they don't even know if she is in the game, and maybe they will destroy Hillary, because uninformed voters will believe it because it was said.

      God bless you my friend

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      C E Clark 3 years ago from North Texas

      Expect when Hillary wins we'll have to go through all of this again. Whenever they don't get to make up the rules they don't want to play.

      Voted up and AUI. Sharing.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Oh, Aunt Jimi, it is so good to see you, sorry I have been missing in action the last couple of days. Zane's play was yesterday, and doctor appointments today, you know when you have an appointment mid day, it ruins the whole day?

      I don't think the Greedy Old Politicians ever got over the fact that the could not get President Clinton out of office, and President Obama was elected, unlike "W", I think that is really what galls them.

      I have not heard anything about session lately, could be because our governor is swimming in hot water right now with charges levied against him for abuse of power, I think he is avoiding the lime light, or maybe the spot light.

      Thank you for the comment, votes up, and sharing. You are always appreciated.

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      Aunt Jimi 3 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      I haven't heard much about session lately. Do you suppose the Republicans are laying low because they made such jerks of themselves and lowered their approval and popularity ratings so far down they may be coming out China, and so they are hoping everyone will forget their horrible behavior so they can reinvent themselves? Like our friend Au fait, I don't have a TV, so I don't hear what Republicans are doing all the time.

      I'm just wondering if Republicans have gotten over the fact that we have a black president or are they still wanting to secede so they can bring back the original Constitution where black people were 3/5 of a person?

      The poorest states in the U.S. according to Au fait's hub on Poverty Kills, etc., are the red states and they depend on money from the federal government to take care of their people. How would they do that if the U.S. no longer sent them the welfare they claim to hate?

      A very interesting hub you have here. Voting it up, awesome, interesting, useful, and sharing.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Au fait for comments, Up-votes, sharing and pinning. I am glad to see you are here, I have not done much on here in the past few days, worked outside yesterday, to overheated to work on hubs. will maybe today.

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      C E Clark 4 years ago from North Texas

      You make some good points worth considering in this article.

      I have just not had the time or energy to do anything more than go to work everyday. The awful heat, around 103 everyday, has not been helpful either. It's hotter now than it was all summer!

      Voted this up, UAI, and will share! Also pinned to my 'Politics' board. Thought it was already there, but now it is.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Aunt Jimi, yes I will read your friends hub. The conservatives are like little kids if they cant win they don't want to play and so they want everyone else to let them win.

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Republicans are of the opinion that adding more poverty to what they already have will make things better. If you read my friend's hub about Poverty Kills, you will see a list of the most poverty stricken states in the U.S. and they're mostly in the South, most red states. Most Southern Conservatives still want to secede. If it wouldn't turn into a haven for terrorists right on our doorstep I would say let 'em. They would have no means to raise an army and no means therefore to defend themselves. We would have to do it and the terrorists would be living in the South with no defense to prevent it.

      Sharing.

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      Carl 4 years ago

      Thanks Jimi. It's. nice to see we can agree on some things. I do want some programs in place to help people who need it. I often think we are spending our money and time in the wrong places. Good night.

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Carl, already did the research years ago and I know these things you state. In fact I agree with some of it, but as you rightly surmised, I take issue with Libertarians refusing to help the less fortunate, refusing to run useful social programs, and refusing to provide safety nets.

      I, too, do not think criminals should be incarcerated for non-violent crimes, but should work it off. Let them pay for their crime instead of us supporting them in jail. I don't like getting into other people's issues in foreign countries as I expect a lot of people wouldn't like another country marching in here to free us from our villainous leaders either. Our Revolution was well underway when the French gave us a helping hand. Except for their help we did it all ourselves and I see no reason people in other countries can't do the same if it is their desire to do so.

      I do not think charities are capable of managing the huge need that is in our country and that the government is better suited to do that. Limited government is fine and good, but how limited? We have 310 million people and growing. Just the size of our population requires a bigger government than some people might prefer.

      Regulations are necessary. If everyone was honest it would be different, but it only takes one dishonest person to screw things up, so regulations do a better job of protecting people from greedy dirtbags. No, regulations aren't perfect, but they're closer to perfect than nothing at all.

      Like I said, I'm not crazy about any political party. They're all out for themselves and only pretending to be looking out for our interests.

      Have to be up and to work at a ridiculous hour so it's nap time for me. Have a good night.

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      Carl 4 years ago

      @Jimi

      Also, you do not know me very well. Instead of going on the attack, why don't we try to have a dialogue?

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      Carl 4 years ago

      @Jimi

      Please read a little more on Libertarians. They are not "Republicans on steroids." They are opposed to foreign intervention unless it is necessary for self-defense and they are against incarcerating people for victimless crimes. Libertarians basically think people should be left alone if they are causing no harm to others. The only issue I think you may have with them is their desire to limit government and decrease entitlement programs. Before you launch another attack, do a little research.

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Well Carl -- I'm told you're for real -- not a pseudonym for Ameba. You obviously don't know me very well. If you did, you'd know when I really want to get somebody I go straight for the jugular, not some silly joke like amentment.

      Libertarians are merely Republicans on steroids. Didn't you read my hub on Rand Paul and his head stomping? Republicans aren't the better of 2 evils, they ARE EVIL. Only evil people love war and hate helping people in need.

      I don't claim to see the worst, I HAVE seen the worst in Republicans -- at least I hope so, but it could get worse. It can always get worse can't it, whatever it is? I saw it at the townhall meetings. I live in a sea of Republicans and my entire family is Republican. I know Republicans. I know exactly how they are and all they care about is the Money God.

      There are always a few bad eggs in any group, whether it's a political party or something else, but when they're all bad, that's another matter. I have yet to meet a Republican that doesn't favor letting people die rather than allowing them to have healthcare they can't pay for. I hear Republicans constantly whining about the poor schmuck on Food Stamps but they never say a single negative word about all the big bankers who stole 7 TRILLION dollars from the American people and are getting away with it. 7 TRILLION dollars is REAL money.

      I never hear a single negative word about all the wars and what they're costing, nor does a single Republican ever complain about tax money going for wars -- killing people and breaking their stuff -- but mention Food Stamps or Aid for Dependent Children and you'd better have your ear protectors handy. Ya, the same ones you use at the shooting range.

      Republicans are the face of evil and they are evil through and through, supporting everything that's bad and hating everything that's good and helpful. That is how I know they are evil. By their words and deeds. Who would want to be associated with somebody who would jeer, laugh, or otherwise insult people who are poor and sick and need healthcare but can't get it? Or a person who has lost a loved one because they could't get the healthcare they needed?

      BEFORE the market crash of 2008, 50,000 Americans were dying every year because they had no access to healthcare. I'm betting with so many people unemployed and living in tent cities all over this country that there are now MORE than 50,000 people dying every year, because they can get no healthcare.

      Who would want to be associated with people who jeer and laugh and otherwise throw fits about helping single mothers take care of their children? Who would want to be associated with people who would chomp at the bit to invade a country (Iraq) and kill people and destroy things just for the fun of it? Even willing to sacrifice Americans for the pleasure! Republicans have done that and continue to do it.

      Political parties have a stronghold on this country and they aren't going anywhere. If you had power over everything and everybody that brought you more money than even the Money God could do, would you give it up? Political parties aren't going to give anything up. They keep taking more and more, and I agree with you it's both parties, not just the Republicans who are only looking out for themselves.

      There are plenty of things about the Democrats I object to as well, but they seem to have a crumb or two of compassion for those of us forced to fill their coffers, where Republicans have none. If politicians remain in office for very long it's because they've passed the 'good 'ol boys' test and they're corrupted and crooked regardless of party. Those who don't sing along soon lose their office. Those who have second thoughts down the road, or for any reason don't play along, color them gone. Same with both parties.

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      Carl 4 years ago

      "Well, like I said, I'd been readin' Republican BS for hours and it kinda messes with your brain, ya know?"

      No, you seemed genuinely insulting. You did not need to attack that woman over a misspelled word after she attempted to make peace with you folks.

      "Another thing about Republicans is they have absolutely no sense of humor. Well, it's limited anyway. They do laugh at people who need healthcare but can't get it, and they do laugh at people who have lost loved ones who needed healthcare and couldn't get it so they died. They spit on people who are poor and need healthcare but can't get it too."

      I think I have a sense of humor. I would vote Libertarian, but unfortunately they do not have the support to win a maj0r office, so I vote Republican. I feel they are the better of two evils. It's unfortunate you have claimed to see the worst of the other side. There are bad people in every political party. I honestly hope that one day political parties will be abolished.

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Do you qualify for a driver's license little ameba? I didn't know a known psychopath could have one of those. Nope, I'm not a city girl. Been here a long time too. Believe me, living amongst all these heartless people hasn't been easy.

      Well, like I said, I'd been readin' Republican BS for hours and it kinda messes with your brain, ya know? Gets things all twisty turny. I could't help it, my gigglin' fit just run over into amentment and I had to share. ;)

      Another thing about Republicans is they have absolutely no sense of humor. Well, it's limited anyway. They do laugh at people who need healthcare but can't get it, and they do laugh at people who have lost loved ones who needed healthcare and couldn't get it so they died. They spit on people who are poor and need healthcare but can't get it too. I saw them do it at several of the townhall meetings (2009) about ObamaCare on TV before ObamaCare passed, so I know it's true. I guess that's one of the things that makes some people proud to be a Republican, like you little ameba. You and your brethren just love bein' close to people who are heartless and nasty. In my circle Republican is bad word, worse than MF and it's because that word (Republican) stands for ignorant and heartless. I didn't used to be quite so opinionated about Republicans until I saw how mean spirited and heartless they were at those townhall meetings, both inside and outside the building. Yup, they were jeering and nasty and hateful to people who needed help.

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Well Connie, I live in Texas and so does Shyron. Isn't Texas supposed to be a country all by itself? Native Texans think so, and always have.

      I have owned guns in the past, but I have no reason to own one now. I figure everybody else here in TX has a gun so I shouldn't need one.

      What do guns have to do with this pipeline? Oh yes, oil and the Iraqi War. We invaded that country to kill Saddam Hussein for daring to put a hit on Daddy Bush's head and in order to steal the oil, and of course we needed guns to do that. But this oil is in Canada isn't it? So what do guns have to do with it? It's my understand the Canadians actually want to ship the oil through here via pipeline. No need to hold them at gunpoint to do it.

      By the way Connie, what on earth is the Second Amentment? Did you mean apartment? What does apartment have to do with guns and pipelines or oil? Or maybe you meant to say Amen? Too many letters madam. You'll have to excuse me. I've been reading Republican BS for several hours now and my brain is getting a little weird.

      How do people always get off onto other subjects and ignore the issues raised in the hub itself? Isn't it Republicans that do that all the time? Is that because they don't know anything about the subject of the hub? I know they like to switch subjects fast when they run out of opinions to repeat because they have no facts. They think we don't know they have no facts. They don't know there's a difference between fact and opinion and they think they can snooker us with their dodging around the subject all the time.

      Liberals don't think all Southerners are ignorant and racist because they aren't. Just the Republican Southerners are racist, and the Republican Northerners are no different -- I used to live up there too. I've lived in several different states and Republicans are the same in all of them. Don't get Republicans mixed up with Southerners. They're 2 different animals. You know, half Southerner and half Republican. Sort of like half black and half white, but different, ya know?

      Now then, does anyone have anything to say about the pipeline issue?

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Connie120, yes you should have responded to my friend directly.

      I accept your appology. We the people are all the same, except we all have our own beliefs, and ideas, and some are corrupted by greed and power.

      Thank you again for stopping by.

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      Connie120 4 years ago

      I wasn't responding to you or your hub. I was responding to your friend's comments to me. I guess I should have addressed it to her, specifically.

      By the way, I do need to appologize to you, Shyron. I didn't realize that Southern liberals do not necessarily view all Southerners as racists and hillillies, as most northerners seem to do. I just lumped all liberals together, based on what I've seen of their comments. Apparently there are also some liberals that support the Second Amentment as well. So I am sorry for lumping all liberals under one heading.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Connie120

      Your words VERBATIM:

      It is pointless to argue with someone who misinterprets what I say.

      My words in [brackets]

      [Do you call my quoting you 'VERBATIM' misinterpretation?]

      Your words VERBATIM:

      There is no government by the people any more, when all the people don't get free representation.

      There is no way to have unity, when factions are diametrically opposed, with completely contradictory cultures. So I guess Lincoln died in vain, and all the Yankees as well.

      My words in [brackets]

      [Lincoln, died because he was shot.]

      Your Words Verbatim:

      With all the complaining that liberals do about stuff like gun owners holding them hostage, and all those ignorant, racist hillbillies down South, etc, it stands to reason that they could benefit a lot from letting those undesirables go form their own racist, gun-ridden country. (By the way, I do not believe Southerners are ignorant. I was saying that is what liberals think. But I guess you can't grasp the concept of sarcasm.)

      My words in [brackets]

      [I did not realize that you were being sarcastic]

      Your Words VERBATIM:

      I repeat again: I NEVER SAID SOUTHERNERS ARE IGNORANT!!!!! I said that many liberals call them ignorant, so if they are ignorant, why would you want them to be in the same country?

      I was basing this on many posts I've read from liberal writers on sites like Huffington Post. If you are interested in the truth, while not living in the South currently, I hope to be there shortly, and I am extremely pro-Southern, and pro-Confederate.

      My words in [brackets]

      [I am thinking you did not read your comment before you posted it]

      Your words VERBATIM:

      I know many smart Southerners, who think for themselves. They don't just blindly follow the media in Obama-worship. I've already written one hub, and I have a few more in the works, but I'm sure you wouldn't like them.

      How can you say that there is one huge culture, when half the population hates guns (and gun owners,) and the other half is trying to defend their 2nd Amenment rights? When half the population is on the take, and the other half is being taken from?

      My words in [brackets]

      [One huge culture?? Where in my hub did I mention ONE HUGE CULTURE?]

      [Where in my hub did I mention hating guns or gun owners?]

      Your words Verbatim:

      I see where you are coming from, though. You don't want secession because you are trying to turn all the red states into blue states, so you can have one nice big happy socialist country, unlike anything the founding fathers ever envisioned. You might live in the South, but you yourself admitted that you aren'ta Southerner, and you certainly don't believe any of the principles of limited government and individual rights, that the traditional Southern culture was based on.

      My words in [brackets]

      [Where in my hub did I admitted that I am not a Southerner?]

      [I think you need to re-read my hub]

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      Connie120 4 years ago

      Exactly how would you describe the one huge culture? I don't see any common threads. The so-called liberals are trying to destroy the Constitution and hand total control over to the government, (in the name of public safety, of course) and trying to dictate everybody else's lives, and the rest of us are trying to hold onto the freedom that we were told we have in the US, but which is quickly dwindling.

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      Connie120 4 years ago

      I repeat again: I NEVER SAID SOUTHERNERS ARE IGNORANT!!!!! I said that many liberals call them ignorant, so if they are ignorant, why would you want them to be in the same country? I was basing this on many posts I've read from liberal writers on sites like Huffington Post. If you are interested in the truth, while not living in the South currently, I hope to be there shortly, and I am extremely pro-Southern, and pro-Confederate. I know many smart Southerners, who think for themselves. They don't just blindly follow the media in Obama-worship. I've already written one hub, and I have a few more in the works, but I'm sure you wouldn't like them.

      How can you say that there is one huge culture, when half the population hates guns (and gun owners,) and the other half is trying to defend their 2nd Amenment rights? When half the population is on the take, and the other half is being taken from?

      I see where you are coming from, though. You don't want secession because you are trying to turn all the red states into blue states, so you can have one nice big happy socialist country, unlike anything the founding fathers ever envisioned. You might live in the South, but you yourself admitted that you aren'ta Southerner, and you certainly don't believe any of the principles of limited government and individual rights, that the traditional Southern culture was based on.

      I can answer your question about why all the other people want to move to this country with one word: money. They get everything handed to them on a silver platter, paid for with the taxes stolen from us who work hard. They certainly don't want freedom, because they vote for the politicians who are steadily chipping away at all our freedoms every chance they get.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Connie120, I think you have your tongue over your eye tooth and cannot see what you are saying.

      I have one question for you, Why does every other country in the world want to move here to America?

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      I'm a liberal and my friend Shyron is a liberal Ms. Connie. We both reside in Texas -- the South. I'm a proud Yankee living here. My friend has lived in the North, but she was born and grew up in Alabama.

      Maybe the reason we liberals don't get your point about "all Southerners being ignorant" is because YOU (not us) are the one who has been saying they are. Now you seem to be trying to explain to us who live here that they aren't.

      Having been steeped in politics for longer than I care to mention, and having had some of the very best instructors on that subject, I find that you are the person who doesn't know what she is talking about. Like everyone else, you complain about the inability of our Congress and people in general, to agree on things, yet I don't see you making any gestures to reach across the isle. Seems like everyone is supposed to agree with you.

      Before you can possibly know what we liberals think you will have to clarify what you yourself think for your own benefit. There are lots of liberals here in Texas and all through the South. No, we aren't the majority, but we are growing in numbers. We are well aware that being a Southerner does not make one ignorant.

      No one is responsible for where they were born. If one could be guaranteed that their child would be a genius if they were born in Kansas, I expect most pregnant women would flock to Kansas. What a ridiculous thing to suggest -- that all Southerners, or even most Southerners, are ignorant. Where did you get this ridiculous idea?

      I recommend you stop listening to parrots, and especially the Faux News parrots. Never make assumptions about anyone or anything. Assumptions are all but always WRONG. I not only know lots of brilliant Southerners, I married one! He introduced me to others. Yes, Ms. Connie, intelligent people do inhabit the Southern states. There's your first lesson on Southerners.

      My friend Shyron is a very nice lady. I'm sure she tried to respond to you in a nice way as is her habit, even when she disagrees with someone or they with her. Why do you think it's sarcastic to say liberals think Southerners are ignorant? Unlike Ms. Shyron, I'm not always so nice, so I'm going to say it straight. It isn't being sarcastic to say that all liberals think all Southerners are ignorant, it's being ignorant yourself!

      What contradictory cultures are you referring to Ms. Connie. The United States has one huge culture and lots of ethnic and political cultures under that umbrella. Which are you referring and objecting to?

      I'd be interested in reading some of your hubs. Do you plan to write any? Or are you just here to stir the pot?

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      Connie120 4 years ago

      It is pointless to argue with someone who misinterprets what I say. There is no government by the people any more, when all the people don't get free representation. There is no way to have unity, when factions are diametrically opposed, with completely contradictory cultures. So I guess Lincoln died in vain, and all the Yankees as well. (By the way, I do not believe Southerners are ignorant. I was saying that is what liberals think. But I guess you can't grasp the concept of sarcasm.)

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Connie120, My answer to "Your Words" are in [brackets]

      Your Words?: With all the complaining that liberals do about stuff like gun owners holding them hostage, and all those ignorant, racist hillbillies down South, etc, it stands to reason that they could benefit a lot from letting those undesirables go form their own racist, gun-ridden country.

      Then you said: "I don't think that Southerners are racist hilbillies."

      [So you don't think that Southerners are racist hillbillies? Just ignorant, right???]

      Your words: So my point was, if that is the way that the liberals think, it would be to their benefit to have those racists and gun nuts leave and form their own country.

      [They are free to leave but the idiots who want to secede don't want to leave, they want the people who don't want to secede to leave their homes land property to them. ]

      Your Words?: The federal government doesn't represent the people. In fact, as divided as Americans are, it is not possible to represent all of them. So then you have to have an increasingly tyrannical government to hold all the different factions together. It is not worth voting any more; there is not much real difference between candidates or parties, even thoguh they like to attack each other. There are not even enough people in the US who actually value any of the principles that made America a great country compared to the rest of the world.

      [Have you never heard the quote by Abraham Lincoln??? " We here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom; and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.” In case you did not know Abraham Lincoln was a republican."]

      Your words?: I didn't vote for Romney. But I can see that republicans would be disappointed, and in fact disillusioned by the whole electoral process.

      [So....you think because the republicans lost the election, that states should secede?]

      [In your words you thing that democrats should roll over and play dead???]

      Your Words??: They know that because of the changing demographics encouraged by Democrats to ensure their continued success, it is highly doubtful that there could ever be a Republican president again. So it is not unresonable for these people to realize that the only way to have a free country would be for some states to secede and form the country they want, leaving the Democrats with their ideal country and no opposition. I don't understand why the Democrats are so opposed to that, except that obviously they must want to impose their ideology on those who don't want it. That certainly is a tyrannical way of thinking. (Or is it really because they know that they would lose a lot of the working people whose earnings they are sucking dry for all their entitlement programs?)

      [Do you really believe you words? Anyone who wants to secede, can leave this country anytime they want. The majority of the people do not want to secede. Republicans don't even have a super majority of people who want to secede. I would bet that even republican's who are on Social Security and Medicare, don't want to secede. And for your information, It is the republicans who want to take away Security and Medicare and that is fact. But you are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to change these facts!]

      Face it Connie120, the republicans are a bunch of sore losers, cry babies.]

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      Connie120 4 years ago

      I don't think that Southerners are racist hilbillies. I said that that is what a lot of liberals say. I go on a lot of liberal leaning forums, and read the remarks there. There was recently a letter to the editor in a local paper about how gun owners were holding them hostage. So my point was, if that is the way that the liberals think, it would be to their benefit to have those racists and gun nuts leave and form their own country.

      The federal government doesn't represent the people. In fact, as divided as Americans are, it is not possible to represent all of them. So then you have to have an increasingly tyrannical government to hold all the different factions together. It is not worth voting any more; there is not much real difference between candidates or parties, even thoguh they like to attack each other. There are not even enough people in the US who actually value any of the principles that made America a great country compared to the rest of the world.

      I didn't vote for Romney. But I can see that republicans would be disappointed, and in fact disillusioned by the whole electoral process. They know that because of the changing demographics encouraged by Democrats to ensure their continued success, it is highly doubtful that there could ever be a Republican president again. So it is not unresonable for these people to realize that the only way to have a free country would be for some states to secede and form the country they want, leaving the Democrats with their ideal country and no opposition. I don't understand why the Democrats are so opposed to that, except that obviously they must want to impose their ideology on those who don't want it. That certainly is a tyrannical way of thinking. (Or is it really because they know that they would lose a lot of the working people whose earnings they are sucking dry for all their entitlement programs?)

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Connie120

      I do not object to people seceding. States cannot secede! As I said before, you can fly to the moon with newt. You are free to leave, by sea or air.

      We the people of the United States of America are the federal government. We elected, decent people, and dishonest people to represent 'US' we the people, need to vote out the dishonest ones.

      Where do you come up with this nonsense? (With all the complaining that liberals do about stuff like gun owners holding them hostage)

      I don't know why you think all the people in the South are ignorant, racist hillbillies. Do you know anybody from any one of the southern states??? I think not.

      Anyway, thank you for your comments.

      And one more question: Are your shoes on the right feet?

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Aunt Jimi, for you input.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Connie120 ???

      How do you think it would benefit PRESIDENT OBAMA and the Liberals?

      If there are more people who don't want to secede, than people who do, in a given state, how does that state secede?

      Do you know how many people there are in each state? Name one state that has MORE people who would give up their Country, because they could not get their irrational candidate elected president, wants to give up their homeland and all the SOCIAL PROGRAMS they have paid into or they are benefiting from wants to leave this Country, I doubt that anyone would try to stop them.

      If you as an individual want to secede, you may give up your citizenship, and fly you to the moon with Newt.

      I do thank you for your comment.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Aunt Jimi, thank you, for the read and comment, you are right as usual.

      Appreciate you.

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      Connie120 4 years ago

      I tie my own shoes, thank you very much. Yes I have thought it through. And it seems to me that all the objections put against secession are things that would hurt the seceding states, not the federal governemnt. With all the complaining that liberals do about stuff like gun owners holding them hostage, and all those ignorant, racist hillbillies down South, etc, it stands to reason that they could benefit a lot from letting those undesirables go form their own racist, gun-ridden country.

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Just happened along and look what I found!

      My goodness Connie120, I can tell you've thought this through very carefully. I have just one question for you . . . who ties your shoes for you?

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      Connie120 4 years ago

      It seems to me that it would be to the benefit of Obama and the liberals if conservative states, especially the South, seceded. They could pass all the laws they want, without opposition. The federal governemnt wouldn't have to pay all the aid to those states. Since all the bad resuslts you listed would hurt the seceding states themselves, why not let them go? Then the liberals could have their utopia without opposition, and the states that stayed in the Union, could still have a strong central government.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you R2-D2-2 for your comment, I try to stay on top of things.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you R2-D2-2 for your comment, I try to stay on top of things.

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      R2-D2-2 4 years ago from USA

      People who always want to secede when they don't get their way are ridiculous. A lot of interesting information here. Always like to read you because you stay on top of things.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Aunt Jimi, you are so right, the teabagger cry babies need a pacificier.

      I heard about Mr. DeMint. The one bad thing about his resignation is that he will no longer get under Mitch McConnell's skin.

      Speaking of Mr. McConnell, he put a bill out to allow the president to raise the debt ceiling, when Harry Reid brought it to the floor for a vote. Mr. McConnell filibustered his own bill.

      Thanks again for your comments

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Some people are just bad losers. I once knew a young boy who would cry if he lost at card games. As an adult he would get really angry so that he and his wife could never play partners.

      When it comes to politics, some people are just sore losers. They are so convinced they have all the RIGHT answers that they can't even imagine anything other than their way. This is true with people in both Parties as well as those people who always vote for one Party.

      I really think the reason more people than usual are wanting their state to secede even when their view is a tiny minority in their state is because many of these people are racist. They will never accept that African Americans are more than 3/5 of a person and just as good as they are. As you can see if you look around, hatred can cause people to be so irrational that they become complete basket cases.

      States with some of the most rabid Republican fanatics would be so broke if the Federal government didn't subsidize them that even India's tent cities would look good to them, but since the Fed does bail them out on a regular basis they have no idea what they're missing.

      A bright spot, though not related to this issue, is that Senator Jim DeMint of S. Carolina is resigning. He will no longer be one of the esteemed Republican Tea Party extremist bribe acceptors, but he will move over to the Heritage Foundation where he will instead provide the bribes.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Au fait, for setting the record straight. Also no one would get mail anymore, that is a federal entity although is not funded by the government.

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      C E Clark 4 years ago from North Texas

      Actually all 50 states sent petitions to secede to the president, and several individuals petitioned on their own. Personally, I think it's childish, and it shows how some people don't really think things through. Who would defend the states that seceded if they were to do that? Who would pay for the cost of their defense?

      How much would terrorists love it if they didn't have to face the U.S. any more, but could wage war on what used to be states in the U.S.? How hard would it be for terrorists to destroy Alabama for example? How would Alabama defend itself?

      There are so many programs that the Federal Government provides to the states, actually RETURNING more money to the majority of the states than those states pay in! The states who seceded would be losing money and benefits plus they would have to dig up the money to pay for any programs they wanted to continue themselves, like defense. What would they do about Social Security and Medicare? Most public schools would be forced to close if they didn't get Federal funding to go along with what they take in from local property taxes.

      Most people have no idea how they would be thrown into poverty literally overnight if they no longer had the Federal government funding part or all of the many programs that subsidize the poorer states, most of which are located in the South.

      Interesting hub!

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you for your comment Joel, my hub is to show how bias and hateful, these Greedy Old Politicians are, and to what length they will go to discredit our President.

      Thanks again for your comment

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      Joel Mlay 4 years ago from Cincinnati

      The GOP does not need to secede. Even after what would have been a lesson from the 2012 elections, the party, only weeks after, chooses an all-white-men panel of committee chairmen - yes, chairmen - in this age and time! They will be extinct before they secede, thank God.