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Do You Still Think a Corporate Raider Would Have Been Better For Our Economy? (up-date)

Updated on December 11, 2016

Did Jeb Bush tell Mitt to knock it off?

Did Jeb Bush tell Mr. Romney, that there is room for the both of them in the 2016 Presidential race?

Will Jeb Bush choose Mitt Romney as his running mate 2016???

Bain's investors and Mr. Romney walked away with huge profits


When Bain Capital, a private equity firm that Mitt Romney headed from it 1984 start up, until early 1999. By Pat Garofalo on Jan 9, 2012. Bain's modus operandi was to invest in companies, leverage them up with debt, and then sell them off for scrap, allowing Bain's investors and Mr. Romney to walk away with huge profits, while the companies in which Bain invested wound up in bankruptcy, laying off workers and reneging on benefits. "


It is hard to convince a man of a fact, if that fact diminishes his salary....by Robert Kennedy, Jr. 4/20/12 on the War Room with Jennifer Granholm.

That is the way to do it!
That is the way to do it! | Source

Is that how Mr. Romney wanted to fix America's finances?


The workers of the failing business that Mr. Romney was going to "FIX" lost everything, jobs, benefits, and, the Government will have to bail out their pension plan if it is FDIC insured, If not, those workers are SOL. And their loss was Mr. Romney's gain.


Is this how Mr. Romney wants to fix America's finance's? Is our entire nation's wealth going to end up in Mr. Romney's coffer? Is Mr. Romney going to de-value our country's economy?


Will Mrs. Romney say of the American people, "they like being put out on the streets to starve? As she said of the Romney mutt, "he liked riding on top of the car, (wonder how her told her that?) was it such a thrill having the doggie dew scared out of him?" Were you ever in a windstorm? That is what it must have seemed light to the poor rich pooch.


Do you believe that President Obama has made the economy worse?

Do you really believe that President Obama made the economy worse? That is what Mr. Romney said, many times, then said the economy is getting better, then said again the President made it worse, then, said he did not say that.

What would Mr. Romney be saying, had he won the election?

Rachel Maddow Highlights Mitt Romney lying about his lies, saying that President Obama made the economy worse.

Mr. Romney said he is the one who advised President Obama to bail-out the auto industry.

Mr. Romney said he is the one who advised President Obama to bail-out the auto industry.

From the Bloomberg News Nov. 10, 2011, in Mr. Romney's own words


From the Bloomberg News Nov. 10, 2011, in Mr. Romney's own words


Nov. 10 (Bloomberg) -- Mitt Romney, debating Republican presidential rivals in Michigan last night, defended his opposition to a government bailout that saved tens of thousands of jobs at Chrysler Group LLC and General Motors Co.


Instead of a government intervention, the former Michigan governor said, the companies should have immediately entered into private sector bankruptcies. “My view with regards to the bailout was that, whether it was by President Bush or by President Obama, it was the wrong way to go,” he said, during the event at Oakland University in Rochester, Michigan, sponsored by CNBC.


Amid the 2008-09 credit crunch, private sector financing for such a deal wasn’t available, according to economists such as Mark Zandi of Moody’s Analytics, an adviser to 2008 Republican presidential nominee John McCain, and independent analysts such as David Cole, chairman emeritus of the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor, Michigan.


“Without the intervention of the Bush and Obama administrations, we would have seen the liquidation of both Chrysler and probably GM,” Cole said in August. “That would have taken the whole industry down. We would have seen a disaster in terms of the job impact.”


Former Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm, a Democrat, said in an interview with Bloomberg News that Romney’s position was “a knife in the back” to his home state.


In Mr. Romney's own words

June 10 2011, Mitt Romney Gets Owned On Auto Bailout Stance

Obama ad hits Romney over auto bailout claims


Obama ad hits Romney over auto bailout claims - By Jonathan Easley May 8, 2012


Gingrich still thinks Romney is a liar

Gingrich still thinks Romney is a liar, but supports him anyway

Gingrich Calls Romney A "Liar" -

Gingrich still thinks Romney is a liar, but supports him anyway

Santorum says Romney didn't tell the truth

Mitt Romney Fights With Reporter After Being Exposed As A Liar

Romney Busted For Claiming He Didn't Know About Gingrich Ad "Language of Ghetto". Jan. 26, 2012

Mitt Romney stands mute as one of his supporters said Obama should be tried for treason.


By Tommy Christopher, May 7th, 2012

Presumptive Republican nominee, Mitt Romney said nothing today when a supporter said Obama should be tried for treason. www.mediaite.com/.../mitt-romney-stands-mute-as-supporter-says-obama- should-be-tried-for-treason/

The worst part of Mr. Romney's run for the presidency was his acceptance of the endorsement of Ted Nugent

The worst part of Mr. Romney's run for the presidency is his acceptance of the endorsement of Ted Nugent, who suggest that President Obama and some of his cabinet members be killed, (i.e. have their heads cut off.)


Much like Sara Palin's cross hair with it subliminal message that Gabby Giffords be shot, which stoked the fire burning in the mad man's brain, when he shot Gabby Giffords.


What did Mitt Romney say he will do for the American People?


What has Mitt Romney say he will do for the American People, other than to end "Planned Parenthood and repeal Obama Care?"

You know one good thing about Mr. Romney?


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      Shyron E Shenko 2 weeks ago from Texas

      Au fait, thank you for the comments. I have to agree with you that the things that could be worse than what we have now is Pence/Ryan.

      I can't believe that people would still vote for the trumpster after the disgrace to the American people.

      I hope that all is well with you.

      Blessings my dear friend.

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      C E Clark 4 weeks ago from North Texas

      At this point in time (everything is relative, right?) I would have to answer your title question with a resounding YES! Not that I STILL think so, but that I have come to think, after all these years, that under the circumstances we would be better off with a corporate raider than a money launderer for the Russian mob. The only possibilities that look even worse than what we seem to be afflicted with are Ryan and/or Pence.

      Will there be anything left in 3 years, 5 months? Can you believe the question has been raised as to whether Trump should postpone the 2020 presidential election?

      Blessings dear friend. Know that I appreciate all that you do. Take care . . .

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      Shyron E Shenko 9 months ago from Texas

      BTW nicomp, I do not believe you read my hub and there was nothing in my hub about the ACA, except that Romney said he will overturn it. Didn't all Republican Presidential Candidates say the same thing? After 52 failures you would think they would give up.

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      Shyron E Shenko 9 months ago from Texas

      Nicomp, as I said before you are offensive with you mockery and your attempt to try to intimidate others with making up your own untrue facts.

      This Act may be cited as the Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009. This bill H. R. 3590 has absolutely nothing to do with the ACA/Obama Care

      Waiver of recapture of first-time homebuyer credit for individuals on qualified official extended duty

      To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to modify the first-time homebuyers credit in the case of members of the Armed Forces and certain other Federal employees, and for other purposes.

      This Act may be cited as the Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009.

      The only reason I did not deny you comment is because people need to know that what you have stated here is not the truth. What a shame that you have tried to make people think that my hub is a lie and it is not.

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      Shyron E Shenko 9 months ago from Texas

      Au fait, you don't know how much I appreciate you my dear friend. Thank you so much for the comment.

      I am so sick about the shenanigans that these greedy evil people have pulled. I fear for our country and the people who work for a living.

      Beautiful day today. Hope all is well with you.

      Blessings and hugs my dear friend.

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      Shyron E Shenko 9 months ago from Texas

      Nicomp, while I do appreciate comments for you and other readers here on HP, I do not appreciate your mimicking anyone else as if you are trying to diminish any statements made by someone else.

      Trump has appointed Scott Pruitt man who has worked to destroy/shut down the Environmental Protection Agency to head the Environmental Protection Agency. You may not like clean air and clean water Nicomp, but I do.

      Eight years ago I did not vote for President Obama, I did not exhort anyone to give him a chance. President Obama won the EC and the popular vote. Your Fuehrer (mr. trump) did not win, not by a long shot.

      America will not survive trump, Mr. Nicomp. Just remember as trump is destroying our greatest country on earth, you (I think) are in this country and unless you are filthy rich are at risk, just like the rest of us.

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      C E Clark 9 months ago from North Texas

      Nicomp, there was a time when Republicans could be reasonable and actually work with Democrats and others to accomplish what was best for the country. When the Tea Baggers took over the Republican Party it changed the Party to what it is today. The Party that accomplished the things you list is not the modern Republican Party of today.

      Conservatives need to form a new Party because the Tea Baggers have taken over the old Republican Party and basically destroyed it. There are still a few moderates in the Party but nothing is forever and these moderates are not enough in number to offset or balance out the Tea Baggers. Nor can't they live forever to balance things out over the next many years even as little as they try to do now.

      I think the Eisenhower Administration was the last time the Republicans elected a good president. All the Republican presidents since then have been crooks of one sort or another. They've certainly picked a gem this time.

      Aside from that, the Tea Baggers own both Houses of Congress. Too bad the Republicans let the TBs in because they'll never get rid of them now and they've turned the name 'Republican' into a nasty word.

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      nicomp really 9 months ago from Ohio, USA

      " Republicans have proven over and over again that they only care about themselves."

      80% of Republicans passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. 70% of Democrats voted for it.

      Senator Rob Portman (R-OH) co-sponsored the Comprehensive Addiction & Recovery Act of 2016 to allocate funds for opioid addiction.

      Republican John Roberts, Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court, cast the deciding vote legitimizing ObamaCare. Roberts was a Bush appointee to the Supreme Court and before that, a Bush appointee to the DC Circuit Court.

      President George H. W. Bush famously signed the Americans With Disabilities Act in 1990. He also signed the Immigration Act of 1990 and reauthorized the Clean Air Act.

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      nicomp really 9 months ago from Ohio, USA

      "There were no tricks in the passage of the ACA. "

      Yes, there were. Before we get to the tricks, note that the bill was passed in both houses of Congress by straight party lines. That should tell you something about a bill that was supposed to help so many people.

      Parliamentary tricks used to pass the bill:

      1. The original bill in the Senate was called " Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009": nothing to do with health care. **After** it passed in the Senate ALL the language was removed and replaced with the language of the ACA.

      2. House Democrats cloaked their amendments to the bill as a **new** budget reconciliation bill: that is a form of legislation requiring only a simple majority and not a supermajority of 60 votes in the Senate to be approved.

      3. After the bill was passed Obama declared unilaterally, without Congress, that parts of the bill would be delayed for up to a year. My favorite was that Obama decreed that the employer mandate would be delayed for a full year, from 2014 to 2015.

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      nicomp really 9 months ago from Ohio, USA

      "Nicomp, where did you get the idea that no one could read the ACA bill before it was passed? "

      Nancy Pelosi. It's become a classic catchphrase. "We have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it." The point she made was that the bill was so big (2700 pages) that no one had read all of it before versions were passed by both houses and reconciled.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU

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      C E Clark 9 months ago from North Texas

      Nicomp, where did you get the idea that no one could read the ACA bill before it was passed? Lots of people could and did. Not easy to understand with no experience with legalese. How many other bills have you read before or after they passed. I’ve never heard such an uproar about reading any other bill. Why the sudden interest in reading this one? But if you wanted to read it you should have done so. It’s not too late. You can still read it.

      There were no tricks in the passage of the ACA. Whenever there are tricks it is always the Republicans blocking and obstructing as they always do. They seem incapable of doing anything else. Anything else except lying that is. They care nothing for people or they would have tried to hasten the recovery from the Great Bank Heist of 2008. Instead they blocked every bill that might have speeded the recovery up.

      Now they will repeal the ACA and leave 30 million people without insurance, and from my personal experience, without healthcare. Do they care? Silly question. Republicans have proven over and over again that they only care about themselves.

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      nicomp really 9 months ago from Ohio, USA

      "Then he chose Scott Pruitt as head of the EPA the very same Scott Pruitt who has worked to shut down the EPA."

      - Hallelujah.

      " In this election RUSSIA WON."

      - I'd love to have your prescience. He hasn't yet been inaugurated. I suspect 8 years ago you exhorted us to give Obama a chance...

      "Elaine Chao wife of *itch McConnell was made Transportation Secretary, that is why McConnell did not want the investigation into Russia’ interference in the election."

      - Absolutely. Mitch wanted his wife out of the house.

      "I would like to see if Donald trump will bring his businesses to back to America"

      - Such as the new hotel he built within site of the Capital Building in DC?

      " Tillerson is a man that Vladimir Putin joined forces with U.S. oil giant Exxon Mobil began to drill for oil in the Artic on Saturday, despite Western sanctions imposed on its Russian partner and was hailed by Russia’s president as a model of “Cooperation.”"

      - Oh no! A successful international businessman! How will America survive?

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      Shyron E Shenko 9 months ago from Texas

      Nicomp, good to see you, it has been a long time. I am sure of only one thing "absolute power corrupts absolutely" and these guys started out corrupt. No one party should be in absolute control. In this election RUSSIA WON.

      Then he chose Scott Pruitt as head of the EPA the very same Scott Pruitt who has worked to shut down the EPA.

      Retired General Michael T. Flynn, trump has chosen as his National Security Advisor.

      Elaine Chao wife of *itch McConnell was made Transportation Secretary, that is why McConnell did not want the investigation into Russia’ interference in the election.

      I would like to see if Donald trump will bring his businesses to back to America. I just heard that Donald plans to make Rex Tillerson the Secretary of State. Tillerson is a man that Vladimir Putin joined forces with U.S. oil giant Exxon Mobil began to drill for oil in the Artic on Saturday, despite Western sanctions imposed on its Russian partner and was hailed by Russia’s president as a model of “Cooperation.”

      You have a good day.

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      nicomp really 9 months ago from Ohio, USA

      " the fact that Republicans have control of every branch of government and you can be sure they'll make hay with it."

      Oh no! Do you think they will use parliamentary tricks to force bills through Congress? Do you think they will jam a completely partisan bill taking over 1/6 of the economy that no one was allowed to read until it was already passed?

      Oh, wait... the Dems did that.

      I'm sure they meant well, that's the difference, right?

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      C E Clark 9 months ago from North Texas

      I think we have something even worse now than a corporate raider.

      Worse still than The Donald and his cabinet packed with military people and people who are in science denial and who lack even a hang nail's worth of compassion, is the fact that Republicans have control of every branch of government and you can be sure they'll make hay with it.

      Watch the homeless population triple when the new batch take over. Read in our local paper this morning that Republicans plan to cut food stamps again by limiting what they can be used for even more and adding more stringent work requirements.

      Stay in the house on this blustery cold day and get out your electric blanket for tonight. Take care . . .

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      Shyron E Shenko 15 months ago from Texas

      Au fait, I have heard those rumors too, but then I think about our local election and how the ones that won lied and lied and even twisted the truth.

      Anyway thank you for the comments and for sharing, I really appreciate you.

      Blessings always, hope all is well with you, It was good talking with you also.

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      C E Clark 15 months ago from North Texas

      I'm hearing rumors that the "Anyone But Trump" people are thinking of running someone, maybe Romney, as an Independent in the presidential election. Sounds great to me. If he wins we may get an real answer to your title question. Yes, I think the more Republicans they run in the actual race the better. The GOP votes get split however many ways there are candidates. So the more they have the fewer votes each one will get! Sounds like a winning strategy to me -- for Hillary. Sharing.

      Good talking to you. Hope everything is under control there and that you're able to stay in out of the rain. Take care . . .

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      Shyron E Shenko 19 months ago from Texas

      Au fait, thank you so much for the comment. I don't see baby Jeb winning the nomination, but he does not look or act like his heart is in it. I said many years ago that Bush II wanted to go to war to finish what his father started in Iraq, but when he did not, that Jeb would want go to war to finish what his father started and his brother wanted to carry on and now he wants to pick up the baton.

      I hope you are staying well.

      Blessings and hugs my dear friend

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      Shyron E Shenko 19 months ago from Texas

      nicomp, thank you for the comment, I appreciate you.

      Yes Monica did what she was sent to do and albeit wrong President Clinton did what almost any man would have done. Yes he should not have lied but for him I guess the shame out weighted the truth. But, in spite of the conspiracy to trip him up and make him fall, he is still the greatest President we ever had. Just imagine the deceitful ones are still hidden and in my opinion they are worse than anything President Clinton did. Now that evil has transferred to Hilary and they (the ones who tried to bring President Clinton down) are working hard to smear her and bring her down by any means possible.

      You have a good day

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      nicomp really 19 months ago from Ohio, USA

      " Remember Monica went to him, and it did not stop President Clinton from doing what is right for our country."

      Doing what's right, like lying to a Grand Jury and getting impeached?

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      C E Clark 19 months ago from North Texas

      First Jebbie has to be chosen as the nominee. He may, but his poll numbers are awfully low right now. As things stand, I really don't think any Republican has a chance of becoming president in the coming election. Sharing.

      Hope you and John are having a great day. Blessings dear friend.

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      Shyron E Shenko 21 months ago from Texas

      nicomp, did you read in any of my comments where I suggested that President Clinton get a pass. But, a pass on what? Being seduced by an attractive woman? Remember Monica went to him, and it did not stop President Clinton from doing what is right for our country.

      I don't condone what President Clinton did in his personal life, that is between him, his God and his wife. I did not call Trump out until you started condoning what he was saying about President Clinton, I am simply pointing out that Trump/pot is calling Clinton/the kettle and you know the rest of that.

      P.S. I must apologize for saying that Ivana's rape charges was in the paper. That was in the Hurt II book "Lost Tycoon" written about Trump's life.

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      Shyron E Shenko 21 months ago from Texas

      nicomp, use a bit just a tiny bit of common sense, what woman would save a dirty dress to prove she had some kind of sex with the president and then go and tell the WH gossip Linda Tripp about it? Come-on nicomp, you can't be that naïve.

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      nicomp really 21 months ago from Ohio, USA

      "nicomp, here is one of the newspaper headlines "Police tapes reveal how Donald Trump 'regretted dumping Ivana for Marla Maples and didn't want her to become pregnant' and there are others."

      Hilarious, it is, that Bill Clinton gets a pass and Trump is called out. Libs are such hypocrites.

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      nicomp really 21 months ago from Ohio, USA

      "... You must know that Monica was HIRED to go after the President and bring him down and her dirty gown was her proof to show her handlers she did what she was hired to do"

      Still libelous. Please provide a source.

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      Shyron E Shenko 21 months ago from Texas

      nicomp, here is one of the newspaper headlines "Police tapes reveal how Donald Trump 'regretted dumping Ivana for Marla Maples and didn't want her to become pregnant' and there are others.

      Did you know that Ivana filed rape charges against Donald? Of course no MAN would find him guilty because they were still married at the time.

      That was in the newspaper, so maybe it is not true.

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      Shyron E Shenko 21 months ago from Texas

      It was in the papers when Donald and Ivana had their messy divorce and there are some documentaries (called the movies Donald does not want you to see). Of course, maybe the Donald got those taken down.

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      Shyron E Shenko 21 months ago from Texas

      nicomp, as hard as your guys tried, they did not get President Clinton out of office, that is what Ruby is saying.

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      Shyron E Shenko 21 months ago from Texas

      Ruby, well said.

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      Shyron E Shenko 21 months ago from Texas

      nicomp, President Bill Clinton, did what most men would have done under the circumstance. You must know that Monica was HIRED to go after the President and bring him down and her dirty gown was her proof to show her handlers she did what she was hired to do. But President Clinton weathered the storm and made it through.

      President bush, kept his word to undo everything President Clinton did for our country-- bush spent US budget surplus and bankrupted the US treasury --raided the Social Security trust fund surplus, to fund his private war with Iraq (this caused ISIS to form) -- caused the highest unemployment since the "Great Depression" -- set the record for the biggest drop in the US stock market in our nation's history -- I have a longer list but will save for another time.

      Q. Would you really want the Donald in the White House? Do you want the GOP to do what they propose to do, close or privatize all government entities? i.e. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the US military (Army, Navy, Marines); the USPS, FEMA (unless they need emergency assistance), God knows we are going to need it when the Keystone XL pipeline bursts: you couldn't possibly think that Canada will clean-up their mess if it is in our country.

      Other entities the GOP wants to close or privatize, police, public schools. wonder how it worked out for Jindal in LA.

      But, you go ahead and vote for YOUR Donald.

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      Shyron E Shenko 21 months ago from Texas

      Ruby, Ruby my gem of a friend. I think you were busy buying a truck. Thank God Romney did not win. The Donald is walking on the fighting side of both of us. President Bill Clinton, did what he was elected to do and had this country on track, the G reedy O ld P ****s could not stand it, they started to try to destroy him the day after he was elected.

      Blessings and hugs dear friend

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      nicomp really 21 months ago from Ohio, USA

      "but I don't think the woman he was cheating was hired by any political party to slander him."

      Awfully libelous of you. Please provide a source.

      As Hillary recently asserted " Sexual Assault Accusers Must Be Believed. "

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      Shyron E Shenko 21 months ago from Texas

      Au fait, thank you for the comments and for sharing. I hope this year will be a better one for all of us.

      When the Donald talks about Bill Clinton he has about the much )( room to talk, he was cheating on Ivana, but I don't think the woman he was cheating was hired by any political party to slander him. Then he was cheating with Marla Maples then married her and was cheating on her, The one he is married to now?

      Cruz? he was is a tea bagger, he was a birther, saying that President Obama was not born in the United States, he can't be very intelligent if he doesn't know Hawaii is a state. He should be looking in the mirror, I still do not believe that Cruz should even be allowed to run, he was born in Canada and his allegiance is to Canada, and the Canadian company that wants to lay the Keystone XL pipeline across the United States, and Keystone would bring their own workers to lay it and the property it would cross would be taken by eminent domain, if anyone still thinks his allegiance is to the United States they are in for a rude awakening.

      Blessings and hugs to you my dear friend.

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      nicomp really 21 months ago from Ohio, USA

      Always, Bill Clinton was indeed impeached. It was in all the papers.

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 21 months ago from Southern Illinois

      nicomp, Bill Clinton was not impeached, but the good old boys who tried so hard are now in disgrace, ie, Dennis Hastert will probably see prison time due to child molestation. Ken Star faded into obscurity. I just today sent a donation to Hillary's Victory Fund. To have them both back in the white house is a dream come true.......

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      C E Clark 21 months ago from North Texas

      Bill Clinton lost his license to practice law for only 5 years. That time is up and he is currently eligible to get it back if he wants it.

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      nicomp really 21 months ago from Ohio, USA

      @always exploring : Poor Bill! Trump is picking on the guy who lost his law license because as the sitting US President he lied to a grand jury , defiled the Oval Office, and was impeached. We should all just leave the poor guy alone.

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 21 months ago from Southern Illinois

      Where was I when you wrote this? Goodbye to Romney and Jeb too. It looks like Trump is going to be the man. OMG! When he starts running Bill Clinton down he's getting on the fighting side of me. ( Merle Haggart ) I think I misspelled his name. I watched Bernie on the view this morning and I like him too. I hope Hillary has him for her vice. See you. Hugs.

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      C E Clark 21 months ago from North Texas

      I don't think Jeb will want Romney for a VP even if he's the nominee. Jeb is doing worse than anyone still in the race. Still don't know who the GOP nominee will be. Trump is still on top, but I kind of expect it to be Cruz.

      Sharing. Hope you'll have a great 2016!

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      Au fait, thank you for the comment and sharing. It is too late for Mr. Romney to run, He did not throw his hat in the ring after his meeting with mr. bush. I would bet mr. bush really thinks he will win and offered mr. Romney the VP position if he would not run.

      I like that the Donald is a candidate, he will make the others answer questions no one else has the guts to ask.

      It will make for an interesting debate.

      Hope all is well with you also

      Blessings and Hugs

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      C E Clark 2 years ago from North Texas

      Maybe we'll have another opportunity to find out the answer to your title question. While the Republican Party isn't so thrilled with The Donald -- they've phoned him to tell him to tone it down on immigration -- I understand the rank and file love him. He's finishing second in most Republican polls and even first in several of them. I think he'd make a great candidate. No dullness when he's around.

      In fact, there are rumors he run as an Independent! Yup, if the Republicans don't like him he may just go it alone -- like I said, the Republican voters like him a lot.

      Sharing this again. Hoping all is well there. Take are . . .

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      nicomp, in your statement,

      "2. The Community Organizer refuses to release his college transcripts while Bush and Kerry both released theirs when they ran for President."

      This is not a true statement.

      First: you imply that everyone is obligated to turn over their college transcripts. To whom are they obligated to do that?

      Second: You imply that bush had a higher score than President Obama.

      Obama served as President of the Harvard Law Review his final year at HLS, as Au fait stated above. Harvard Law School, where bush could not have attended.

      You said: "Fascinating, it is that BHO abrogates the same document he taught in his classes." What? Are you saying President Obama taught documents?

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      Au fait, thank you for this, I appreciate this more than you know. I knew that you would know about the qualifications to get into HLS.

      In regards to bush, he never had to be qualified for anything in his life, and yet some people question President Obama's qualifications.

      Bush reminds me of the old saying "What's mine is mine and what's yours is mine" to me that is little george's mindset.

      He is like the developer who want to change the zoning on residental property to commercial, because that would make him the most money, and when I spoke up in the meeting, he said I was attacking his Integrity. How can that be when there is nothing no integrity there to attack.

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      nicomp really 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

      "Barack Obama was indeed a professor at the University of Chicago's Law School, a fact verified by that institution itself: The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer.""

      You are correct. No argument from me. However, let's be clear. He was an adjunct professor who taught part-time. He did not publish, research, or participate in self-governance at the school. He taught his class and went home. I was an adjunct for a lotta years myself so I'm very clear as to his duties.

      Fascinating, it is that BHO abrogates the same document he taught in his classes. I wonder what grade Professor BHO would give President BHO?

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      C E Clark 2 years ago from North Texas

      Since my late husband was a graduate of Harvard Law School, class of 1994, may I just add a couple of notes? There are 2 ways to get into HLS. One is with outstanding grades and score on the L-SAT, and the other is to buy an additional wing on the famous Harvard Law School Library. Mr. Dubya was unable to get in by either method.

      Obama served as President of the Harvard Law Review his final year at HLS -- 1990. That is the most prestigious position any student can hold at HLS. Obama attended from 1988-1990. The President of the Harvard Law Review is a position achieved through election by the student body. One must write a paper on which s/he will be judged as an applicant by their fellow students and then students vote for who they believe will be the best President of the Review.

      My husband was accepted at HLS in fall 1991. In 1991 there were more than 10,000 applicants for the 550 available seats. Competition is tough. My husband had a 4.0 and he got the highest possible score on the L-SAT. He was accepted within 2 weeks of mailing his application. Anyone interested can read about his experience in my article titled: "This High School Dropout Went to Harvard! Your Life is Not Over Because You Dropped Out of High School." Very few people are accepted so quickly and many are often still waiting to find out if they will be accepted in June. Applications are accepted beginning in late December early January.

      Getting into HLS is very hard. Many come, but few enter (sort of like what the Bible says about Heaven). :) All but no student once accepted ever receives less than a B- on any exam. HLS doesn't accept people they believe can't cut it. If you are accepted in the first place, you will succeed.

      If you fail, as perhaps 2 students have in the history of HLS, you will work very very hard to do so. HLS is good at picking winners and that is the reason so few students have failed at HLS since its founding in 1817.

      I recommend the book by Scott Turow titled, "One-L." That will give anyone a good idea of what it's like for a student at HLS their first year. This not a school for the faint of heart, and only the best students are accepted. Indeed, the best of the best students.

      All Mr. Dubya can really say he accomplished in the business world was managing a baseball team for a while, the Texas Rangers. Baseball is Dubya's first love and I think he should have stuck with it.

      Dubya was already overqualified for the presidency of the U.S. when he was elected as governor of Texas. He had already screwed people out of their property using eminent domain to build a new stadium at taxpayers expense in Arlington Texas for the Texas Rangers. Landowners sued the Rangers and won, but the Rangers, like everything Little Bush touched, were moochers and thieves and never paid the settlements required of them by law. Those politicians who know how to take advantage of people are usually the most successful, and more importantly, the most loved by their constituents. Isn't that odd?

      The Governor of Texas is basically a bully pulpit position. Yes, our governor can sign bills into law or veto them, but it is the Lieutenant Governor and the Speaker of the Texas House that run this state and who have the real power. It is written into the Texas State Constitution that the office of the governor will be a weak position and that was done purposely. So no one should be overly impressed that someone has held the title of Governor of the huge state of Texas for even a minute, because the governor's position is mostly looks, very little substance.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      nicomp, do you know what it takes to get into Harvard Law? One would need to have a GPA of 3.88, that leaves George W. Bush out. Bush attended Harvard Business School, not Harvard Law.

      Barack Obama was indeed a professor at the University of Chicago's Law School, a fact verified by that institution itself: The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer."

      Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp#YW...

      Barack Obama has lived in, traveled to, or otherwise spent time in countries in Asia, Africa, and the Middle East, including Russia, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Israel, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, the Palestinian Territories, Afghanistan Chad, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Kenya, and South Africa, as well as serving as a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Whether his experiences make him "stronger on foreign affairs" is argumentative, but again, people other than Obama have suggested that it might:

      Those who have followed the background of President Barack Obama are familiar with the arc of his post-secondary education: After finishing high school in 1979, he attended Occidental College in Los Angeles for two years, transferred to Columbia College in New York City (one of Columbia University's four undergraduate schools) for another two years, graduated from Columbia with a bachelor's degree in political science, and then (after a five-year interlude during which he traveled and worked as a community organizer) entered Harvard Law School in 1988 and graduated with a law degree in 1991.

      Although Barack Obama may not have been particularly social or memorable during his years at Columbia, it isn't true that "no one ever came forward from Obama's past saying they knew him, attended school with him, was his friend, etc." Those who have attested to having daily personal experience with him during his time at that school include:

      •Friend and roommate Sohale Siddiqi, whom the Associated Press located and interviewed in May 2008.

      •Roommate Phil Boerner, who provided his recollections of sharing a New York City apartment with classmate Barack Obama to the Columbia College Today alumni publication and the New York Times in early 2009.

      •Michael L. Baron, who taught the year-long honors seminar in American Foreign Policy that Barack Obama took during his senior year at Columbia and recalled in an NBC interview Obama's "easily acing" the class and receiving an A for his senior paper on the topic of nuclear negotiations with the Soviet Union.

      Likewise, other external evidence documents Barack Obama's presence at Columbia from 1981-83, including:

      •An article by Barack Obama published in the 10 March 1983 edition of Columbia's Sundial school magazine.

      •A January 2005 Columbia College Today profile of Barack Obama as a Columbia alumnus.

      •A Columbia College press release from November 2008 identifying him as "the first College alumnus to be elected President of the United States."

      Finally, the fatal flaw in the "Obama didn't go to Columbia" theory is that he couldn't have been admitted to Harvard Law School in 1988 without having received an undergraduate degree. If he wasn't attending Columbia from 1981-83, he would have had to complete two full years' worth of coursework at (and graduate from) some other accredited college — yet his time between the end of his Columbia days in 1983 and his entering Harvard Law in 1988 is accounted for (working at the Business International Corporation and the New York Public Interest Research Group, then serving as director of the Developing Communities Project in Chicago).

      Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/columbia.asp#...

      Why should President be obligated to show YOU or anyone else his college transcripts? No other President has been asked to show their college transcripts. YOU can't take the word of Harvard Law School?

      www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

      Q. Are Obama’s early records “sealed”?

      A: No. Many records that presidential candidates don’t ordinarily release do remain confidential, but they are not “sealed” by a court. The 16 claims in a widely distributed graphic are mostly false or distorted.

      READ THIS NEXT PART VERY CAREFULLY, GEORGE W. BUSH DID NOT RELEASE HIS COLLEGE TRANSCRIPTS AND WAS NOT REQUIRED TO, AND HE COULD NOT GET INTO HARVARD LAW SCHOOL HIS GPA WAS TO LOW!!!

      Claims #1, 2 and 4, college records. Obama’s college records are not “sealed” by a court order, as this graphic would have you believe. It would be illegal under federal law (the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974) for Occidental, Columbia or Harvard Law School to give any former student’s records to reporters or members of the public without that person’s specific, written permission. Obama hasn’t released them, but neither have other presidential candidates released their college records. George W. Bush’s grades at Yale eventually became public, but only because somebody leaked them to the New Yorker magazine. Bush himself refused to release them, according to a 1999 profile in the Washington Post.

      THESE FACTS MAY NOT BE GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU - BUT THESE ARE THE REAL FACTS.

      THESE ARE FROM FACT CHECK.ORG www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

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      nicomp really 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

      Shyron , there's nothing to answer. I am stating facts. Well, liberals to try to refute facts, so you may have a go at this.

      Hopefully you won't try to refute:

      1. The Corporate Raider got fewer votes than the Community Organizer.

      2. The Community Organizer refuses to release his college transcripts while Bush and Kerry both released theirs when they ran for President.

      3. The Community Organizer swore up and down he would finish his first/only term in the US Senate but he dropped out to run for President. Note: Cheaney did a similar thing when he ran for VP so now I am fair and balanced.

      Those are the facts and they are not in dispute.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      nicomp, my friend, I am working on an answer to this comment of yours, be patient and give me some time.

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      nicomp really 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

      I love the term "Corporate Raider." An evil Republican rides into town on a black horse and participates in legal activities sanctioned by Republicans and Democrats: he's anointed a "Corporate Raider" by people who don't understand economics.

      Then the liberals complain.

      But it gets better. A completely unqualified "Community Organizer" gets elected President: a dude who has never held a significant public sector job, never run a business, couldn't even finish his first term as a national officeholder and is afraid to release his college transcripts, probably because they are abysmal. Liberals think they are blessed because the "Corporate Raider" who demonstrated both political and business success got fewer votes.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      nicomp, who are you addressing your comments and insults to? If you read my comments to you, nowhere will you find any mention of Columbia University or a photoshopped ID card. If you were to read this hub, you would find no mention of President Obama's name or his stepfather's name, and you would also find there is nothing in your comments that indicate that you even read a line of this hub.

      You would have a hard time guiding someone to something that does not exists. And you call me a straw man?

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      nicomp really 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

      "Your words 30 hours ago as of this writing: "Shyro, if my parents named me something , I'd keep it. I wouldn't be Barry Sotero for a while then change to something different when it was convenient...""

      Indeed I did write that. Undoubtedly your razor-sharp powers of comprehension will instantly comprehend that nowhere in that nugget is any mention of Columbia University or a photoshopped ID card. The Straw Man lives!

      "Thinking definitely isn't one of those subjects. Basic thinking seems to be a major challenge for you, so trying to imagine how any other person thinks really is out of your league"

      Another hallmark of liberal thought -- attack the messenger.

      "Appreciate your faith Nicomp, but sadly I have no such faith in you. "

      That's OK and it part of your progress toward The Light. Keep reading and responding: I will guide you on the road to conservative principles.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      nicomp, I don't know who you directed your last comment to, but I really think you should read the material. You want to talk about. President Obama's name. I mentioned President Bush two times in this hub and not of these times were unkind to him, and none were related to his name. #1 was in reference to Michigan's governor at the time.

      1. Instead of a government intervention, the former Michigan governor said, the companies should have immediately entered into private sector bankruptcies. “My view with regards to the bailout was that, whether it was by President Bush or by President Obama, it was the wrong way to go,” he said, during the event at Oakland University in Rochester, Michigan, sponsored by CNBC.

      #2 is my own personal opinion.

      2. “Without the intervention of the Bush and Obama administrations, we would have seen the liquidation of both Chrysler and probably GM,” Cole said in August. “That would have taken the whole industry down. We would have seen a disaster in terms of the job impact.”

      To get back to your comment. Who are you calling a scarecrow/strawman?

      Your comment 12 hours ago: Another hallmark of Liberal thought is exhaustive use of straw man arguments. Nowhere in my comments did I ever mention an alleged Barry Sotero ID card from Columbia University.

      Your comment 33 hours ago: Shyro, if my parents named me something , I'd keep it. I wouldn't be Barry Sotero for a while then change to something different when it was convenient...

      Your last comment: Stick with me and I will help you understand the big picture.

      First you would need to see the big picture. I mean no disrespect to you nicomp, but you can't teach the truth if you don't know it.

      Goodnight.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      Au fait, thank you for you comments in the discussion with nicomp off the subject remarks. I do appreciate the time spent here.

      I hope that you had a good day and all is well. We had more bad luck today, water heater went out and we have to have it replaced, and everybody wants a piece of us. I remember seeing a cartoon once where a man comes home and sees a plumber van parked in his driveway and the man is praying, please let it be that she is having an affair.

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      C E Clark 2 years ago from North Texas

      Nicomp, I guess reading comprehension isn't one of your strong points. Seems like you're getting up there in age a bit too, since you can't remember your own words from less than a day and a half ago.

      Your words 30 hours ago as of this writing: "Shyro, if my parents named me something , I'd keep it. I wouldn't be Barry Sotero for a while then change to something different when it was convenient..."

      You are the person (Please realize I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here as to whether or not you are human) who raised the issue of the name Barry Sotero and I just told you where that name came from. One of your brethren pulled it out of his back side and created what ignorant people would call an official document from a major university in the U.S. It was shopped.

      You should probably stick to subjects you know Nicomp -- that's if there are any. Thinking definitely isn't one of those subjects. Basic thinking seems to be a major challenge for you, so trying to imagine how any other person thinks really is out of your league. In fact, it's beyond most people. Most people regardless of party or anything else, live their lives by assumption, and assumptions are all but always wrong. No wonder this world is so f'd up. No one bothers with facts, they just assume.

      Maybe you should see a doctor. Even my 87 year old grandfather remembers longer than 30 hours.

      True that all presidential candidates get the colonoscopy treatment, but only Obama has been asked to provide his birth certificate and prove its authenticity. Republicans even called one of their own a liar, so badly they wanted to vilify and discredit a black man.

      You have never responded in so much as one syllable regarding all the needless deaths Baby Bush is responsible for. No doubt you're hoping people will forget since there really is no logical moral explanation, and no defense.

      Little Bush dares not leave this country because in the rest of the world he is a war criminal and will be arrested and he has been warned to that effect. So if you thought your hero was merely a fraidy-cat when it comes to flying and therefore fearful of visiting other countries, you were wrong about that too. ;) What he's scared to death of is being tried in an international court and being convicted and spending the rest of his life in prison -- and maybe even get a death penalty.

      Appreciate your faith Nicomp, but sadly I have no such faith in you. I really don't think you will ever 'get it.' Going to leave future discussions with you to Shyron. Maybe she has the time to try to reason with creatures of instinct. I don't. :)

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      nicomp really 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

      Another hallmark of Liberal thought is exhaustive use of straw man arguments. Nowhere in my comments did I ever mention an alleged Barry Sotero ID card from Columbia University.

      Anyway, your assertion that BHO was singled out is specious and uninformed. Please take time from your work schedule to read up on the colonoscopy to which all major party presidential candidates are subjected by the media.You may not be aware that GW released his college transcripts, as did John Kerry. GW had better grades, by the way. BHO has yet to release his. You may have been watching Survivor during the 2000 and 2004 campaigns when MSNBC endured regularly scheduled aneurisms over GW's service in the National Guard.

      Stick with me and I will help you understand the big picture.

      You can concurrently hold down a job and learn from me. I have faith in you.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      nicomp, you do not bother me in the least, just trying to be nice to you. But the fact is Barack Obama was the name given to him by his parents Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. and Ann Dunham.

      After Ann Dunham split from Obama, Sr. she met and married Stanley Soetoro, that would make him Barack's stepfather.

      I can understand Barack using his stepfather's last name in school, it is less complicated, especially when he had a half sister in the same school.

      My two sons kept their father's name, but they could have taken my present husband's name if they chose to do so.

      Maybe you would like to jump on the band wagon with Larry Klayman.

      Larry Klayman has submitted a petition to a handful of federal officials in an attempt to initiate a legal process that would result in the deportation of President Barack Obama.

      This week, Klayman sent his 20-page “deportation petition” to Thomas S. Winkowskim, the acting director for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement; Thomas Homan, a director of enforcement and removal operations at the Department of Homeland Security; and Sarah Kendall, a fraud detection director at DHS

      nicomp, you are welcome to comment here anytime you wish, but don't get the idea that you bother me because my replies are short.

      I have a life away from HP that takes priority.

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      C E Clark 2 years ago from North Texas

      According to Snopes, what you are talking about nicomp, is a lie made up by a birther in an effort to convince people Obama was not born in the U.S. Even the Republican governor of Hawaii has said Obama's birth certificate from that state is authentic, but some people will stop at nothing to convince others of lies they have made up themselves.

      Check it out here: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/stud...

      Barry was a nicknake given to Obama by . . . whom? There is no proof Obama has ever gone by any name except Obama. Only the false info that some people, desperate to prevent a black man from becoming president, planted in emails and elsewhere in order to discredit Obama. Republicans and or racists/bigots will stop at nothing to ruin someone if they can. Another reason there should be an IQ test before a person is allowed to vote. Let them define the word compassion and that will sink their ship immediately because Republicans believe that is a comi-pinko word. :)

      Neither Bush nor any other white president has ever come under the same kind of scrutiny as Obama. No white president has ever been asked to produce a birth certificate, and then called a liar even after the governor of his home state, who is a member of the opposing party, verified that birth certificate was authentic.

      Unlike yourself, I have to work, so try not to keep dragging up bilge from the Republican Party members and the tea baggers, who are mostly all birthers. You are wasting everyone's time. If you mostly vote Republican you ARE a Republican whether or not you carry their card and officially belong to their party.

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      nicomp really 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

      Shyron , why do I bother you so much? Typical liberal reaction is to assume someone is bothered by something if they write about it. This is a tack that requires no thought and I trust that you are better than that.

      For better or worse The President of the United States comes under scrutiny. If a Republican presidential candidate spent his childhood as Gerry Brentwood and suddenly changed his name to George Bush I would want to know why. Liberals would be apoplectic until MSNBC told them why he did it. It's a disappointing double standard when presidential candidate BHO gets a free pass on such issues.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      nicomp, my parents named me Shyron and I gave it a thought to change it, not even to Shyro and if ANYONE chose to change their name for whatever reason, to me that would be their business, not mine, but just curious, why does President Obama's name bother you so much?

      What is that old saying about a rose by any other name?

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      nicomp really 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

      Shyro, if my parents named me something , I'd keep it. I wouldn't be Barry Sotero for a while then change to something different when it was convenient...

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      nicomp, what if your parents had thrown you a curve ball and given you the middle name Hussein? Think about it.

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      nicomp really 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

      Shyron, no more oddball than Hussein.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      Not if it is attached to a mitt!

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      nicomp really 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

      Shyron, Willard would be a good presidential middle name. Relatively.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      nicomp, thank you for the comment and the view. What is the name game all about? I like to play games, but don't the rules.

      Oh well I will play anyway.

      Willard (wasn't that the name of the white rat in the movie by the same name?) Mitt Romney.

      Anyway thanks for the visit.

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      nicomp really 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

      ''Republicans preach personal responsibility, but I have never seen even one accept responsibility for anything they have said or done. "

      Pretty much true.

      " From what I can tell, they have no principles beyond getting through life without ever paying a penny in taxes, and they fail even at that."

      I am proud to pay as little tax as possible. And I'm not a Republican. Hopefully you send your entire paycheck to the government because they obviously know better how to spend it than you do.

      "Enjoy marinating in your misconceptions and wrongheaded beliefs Nicomp. I’m going to spend my time trying to achieve something worthwhile. "

      Stick with me. I'll set you straight. All you have to do is stick with me. I have faith that you will see the light. Personal freedom and responsibility are awesome. They are often painful but anything is better than having the government make your decisions for you.

      "Obama's middle name really gets you going doesn't it? Can you even think when you see or hear his name?"

      Hussein? Ronald Wilson Reagan, William Jefferson Blythe Clinton, George Herbert Walker Bush... they all have cool middle names.

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      C E Clark 2 years ago from North Texas

      Nicomp, I had researched and written several pages to present to you on the gazillion subjects you raised, and then I stopped and thought about all the advice I’ve given other people over the years about trying to discuss anything with people like you.

      Wise people know that some people in this world will never be able to comprehend certain things and that as a result they will have much better luck talking to a wall or a rock. A person would have a better chance of explaining the U.S. Tax Code to a 12-year old – than of explaining anything at all to a Scrooge Party member.

      I know you cannot comprehend and no amount of explanation will change that. I prefer to put my time and energy into something that may be helpful and improve the world, if only for a few. No matter what I write, you will believe what you will believe. You are so fixated on being selfish and heartless towards the less fortunate that nothing will change your mind. I feel sorry for you because you have nothing to look forward to.

      Scrooge Party supporters and members think nothing of wasting Billions of dollars fighting things they do not like and then turn around and complain that universal healthcare costs too much.

      Frankly, I too, am not only surprised, but utterly shocked that Baby Bush didn’t blame Clinton for the recession Baby Bush himself created over 8 loooong years. Republicans preach personal responsibility, but I have never seen even one accept responsibility for anything they have said or done. If Dubya wasn’t to blame for his depression that he worked to create for 8 years, then who was? You want Obama to accept responsibility even though the election hadn’t even occurred when the crash happened. 8 years of creating a depression doesn’t place responsibility on the sitting president, but a man who hasn’t even been elected IS to blame? Do you people even have the ability for logic of any kind?

      I used to be a Republican and then I started digging into how things really work. I listened to what Republicans said and watched what they did and realized that they do not share my values. From what I can tell, they have no principles beyond getting through life without ever paying a penny in taxes, and they fail even at that.

      Republicans waste more money with government shutdowns and attempts to repeal the Affordable Care Act, and on war, while denying healthcare and food to everyone they can. What kind of people do these things? I won’t answer that question lest this comment be moderated.

      Enjoy marinating in your misconceptions and wrongheaded beliefs Nicomp. I’m going to spend my time trying to achieve something worthwhile. Trying to enlighten someone who has clearly always had a silver spoon in his mouth and never actually had to think or worry about anything is IMHO a waste of precious time.

      Obama's middle name really gets you going doesn't it? Can you even think when you see or hear his name?

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      nicomp really 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

      Shyron, Thank God the obstructionists slowed down the federal government. Consider the damage that Bush and a cooperative Congress accomplished. It would have been much worse if Barack Hussein Obama teamed up with a compliant House and Senate. Witness the constitutional and moral disaster that is The Affordable Care Act.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      Au fait, thank you for the comment to nicomp.

      I hope you had a blessed day.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      nicomp, thank you for the comment, even though it was to Au fait. You are so right, if the obstructionist had not said no to everything, and not shut down the government (costing us, the people who pay taxes Millions, of course it didn't cost the filthy rich anything). Just imagine what OUR President could have accomplished.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      Au fait, thank you for the comment, up-votes and sharing.

      Well we can't have a voter IQ test, the we know who they are? Would pay someone else to take the test for them.

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      nicomp really 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

      "Most people still have the same doctor and insurance they had before Obama took office. "

      *Most* people had health care before BHO imposed his will on us. *Most* wasn't good enough for you then, so it's not good enough for us now.

      " In the red states where so many people have no access to healthcare..."

      Completely utterly absolutely false. You obviously have no experience in the healthcare delivery industry.

      "Yes, the market crashed big time (as Cheney might say) in September of 2008 while your boy was on watch..."

      Yes it crashed. Funny how GW didn't blame Clinton for contriving that politically-based loan approval system. Nevermind the fact that GW formally requested Congress to investigate Freddy and Fannie at least two times. Ignore the bloviating Barney Frank who shouted down any attempts to reform the system.

      "...but Obama saved our auto industry and millions of jobs."

      Do you have any idea how many Chrysler bondholders saw their retirement funding wiped out in the bankruptcy? Those folks were legally first in line, oh well, Big Auto got to the trough first. but I thought you were in favor of the little guy.

      "We can't just ignore attacks on our country or on our citizens. Attacks that wouldn't have happened if Baby Bush would have stayed out of Iraq."

      Sure, Muslim extremists would be plating flowers and building temples. Liberating Iraq really stirred them up. Until then they weren't paying attention.

      "Republicans love death so long as it isn't their own."

      That says enough about you. I just threw up in my mouth a little.

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      C E Clark 2 years ago from North Texas

      Most people still have the same doctor and insurance they had before Obama took office. In the red states where so many people have no access to healthcare, because their Republican governors refused to expand medicaid even though the Feds will pay for that expansion for the first few year, people are still dying at the same rate as before the Affordable Care Act, so what's your problem?

      Yes, the market crashed big time (as Cheney might say) in September of 2008 while your boy was on watch. We were indeed very bad off when Obama took office and the world soon followed suit. Yup, Bush was ushered in with 9/11 and he left in flames of glory with a market crash that shook the whole world.

      I don't know much about spikes in the used car market (are you a used car salesman?), but Obama saved our auto industry and millions of jobs.

      You are comparing the failure to close GitMo to hundreds of thousands of needless deaths caused by the Bush invasion of Iraq. You are saying that not getting it done is equal to or worse than all those needless deaths? That says a lot about your comprehension and your values Mr. Nicomp.

      Unfortunately we must now follow through with what Bush started and any president regardless of party would have to do that. We can't just ignore attacks on our country or on our citizens. Attacks that wouldn't have happened if Baby Bush would have stayed out of Iraq.

      I think you have proven my points well in your above comment. Republicans love death so long as it isn't their own. They get all jiggy at the prospect of other people's deaths whether from lack of healthcare or as a result of a needless war that not only killed hundreds of thousands, including many Americans, but also has cost BILLIONS of dollars that will take years to pay for.

      The fact that you place some of your above stated complaints as equal to or worse than hundreds of thousands of needless deaths pretty much says it all. Don't worry, you haven't let the cat out of the bag. Most of us already know where your values truly are. We know you worship the Money God and that people, in your estimation, are expendable.

      Since Obama, after over 6 years, hasn't even begun to do all the harm around the world, or here at home, that Bush did even before he was sworn in, and you insist it isn't Obama's color that so offends you, then I guess it's simply that you are uninformed and ignorant of the issues.

      I know you did your best to crawdad and twist things around from the real subjects which are our economy and hundreds of thousands of deaths that are still happening everyday thanks to The Shrub's Invasion of Iraq, but some of us aren't so easily distracted.

      No one is going to turn the patriot Act around and it was passed by your own dear boy, yet I see you're trying to blame Obama for not having reversed your dear boy's screw up yet. How about blaming the guy who did it? What happened to 'personal responsibility?' Do you really think Romney would have reversed the Patriot Act?

      GitMo is still in the works. It may not happen, but they're still working on it. As with pretty much everything right now, Republicans are busy obstructing. Again, what happened to 'personal responsibility?' A super majority is required in the Senate to get anything passed and that means at least 7 Republicans must vote with the Democrats or it's dead in the water. Republicans hold all the power because our president is not a dictator.

      Our president is not a dictator and that is true no matter who s/he is or what party they belong to. The Bush Administration bears most of the blame for The Shrubs screw ups and that is because your boy just didn't know what he was doing. But his cabinet and appointments certainly knew as it wasn't their first rodeo.

      There you go using a big word again. Did you check the dictionary or just shoot it off from the hip Cheney style? Intellect and intellectual are two more words from the Republican comi-pinko dictionary. Try Webster's next time.

      My 'intellect' may not be as brilliant as yours, BUT I do know the value of life. Something that seems to be a triviality to you and yours, if your words, actions, and votes are any indication.

      Obama's middle name really chaps your butt doesn't it? I don't suppose that has anything to do with bigotry either does it? ;)

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      nicomp really 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

      Yes, Au Fait, we were truly sinking until Barack Hussein Obama came along and made sure we can keep our doctor and our health insurance plan. Thank goodness BHO did not declare war on the poor by taking thousands of good used vehicles off the road and causing massive spikes in the used car markets. Thank goodness he closed GitMo as he said he would numerous times throughout his campaign. Thank goodness he rolled back the Patriot Act as he promised to do numerous times during his campaign. Thank goodness he doesn't look down on bitter clingers because if he used that term the mainstream media would vilify him.

      Thank goodness BHO has sent no troops into harm's way as Bush did.

      And most of all thank goodness that you are not so shallow as to play the race card when you exhaust your massive intellect.

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      C E Clark 2 years ago from North Texas

      Agreed nicomp! A shame this entire country has been held back by Bush screwups, and so many people are still suffering from the failed Bush fiscal policies.

      Obstructionist Republicans have no compassion and even think that word is a comi-pinko term because they don't know what it means. Therefore they are doing their best to prevent relief to the millions of people in this country still suffering from Bush policies. Maybe we could simply ask people to define the word compassion on the IQ test, what do you think? Test would be short and sweet, to the point.

      Thousands of people have died needlessly because of Bush, both Americans and Iraqis. Once Bush started a needless war, it spread, and there seems to be no end.

      On my way back to work, so if you want to argue further it will have to wait on my part for a bit. Maybe if you think of the half white part, Obama won't seem so bad to you . . .

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      nicomp really 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

      @Au fait , thank goodness The Enlightened gave us Barack Hussein Obama for 8 years. What a shame He has been held back by flawed policies of the previous administration.

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      C E Clark 2 years ago from North Texas

      CNN, Slate, Washington Times, Fox News, and others all say Romney is giving serious thought to still another run for president. He's tried twice, so would the 3rd time be the charm? If so, charmed for who? Him or us?

      Again, we may get the answer to your title question. Lots of Americans are fed up with having a black president and they're just itching to get him out of that office. We know who they are, right? ;) They actually believe and say Obama has been a worse president than Bush was. Tell me again why we don't have an IQ test to obtain a voter's registration card . . .

      Voted up and IA. Shared.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      nicomp, you are right, no one person starts a business to benefit someone else before himself. The degree of greed is the problem.

      I did not stand in line for nor do I have the iPhone, or Atari or any other gadget.

      Thank you for stopping by.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Peg, I agree with you that our representatives should have term limits. Also they should be held to the sam standards that they want to hold the general public to.

      Thank you dear friend for your comments.

      Shyron

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      nicomp really 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

      Greed is good. Without greed you would not be able to stand in line for your iPhone. Steve Jobs didn't start Apple as a public service.

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      Peg Cole 3 years ago from Dallas, Texas

      Politics is a nasty game. Corporate greed is rampant. We need a clean team to replace all these representatives on a regular basis.

      All the best,

      Peg

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Peg, thank you dear friend for your comments which I truly appreciate. I am aware that there is Corporate greed is problem on both sides of the political isle.

      I could have included the Solyndra problem in this hub, but just because it was initiated under George W. Bush, and had Solyndra been successful, he would have taken credit, and rightly so. But, because it was a failure people want to blame President Obama. I did read "Obama's Solyndra Problem," and several other articles concerning.

      No smoking gun with Solyndra wrongdoing: It was started by Bush: The DOE loan program that funded Solyndra was actually started by President Bush in 2005. It was intended to provide government support for "innovative technologies." I do believe GWB was still in office in 2005. But this in my opinion is not a blame game. And I for (1) am not going to blame either Bush or Obama. Many times companies have borrowed/been loaned monies and then for whatever reason could not make a go of it and went out of business, and investors lost money, just like Salem benLaden invested in Arbusto Oil and when George Bush sold that company and left his investors high and dry, that is different.

      I could have included the story of Sensata Technologies. Sensata is a company that Mitt Romney was in charge of and decided to send it to China. He brought Chinese workers and had the American workers train them, and right here in the United States the Chinese workers took down the American flag and replaced with their own flag.

      When Romney felt that the Chinese workers could run Sensata, that company was moved to China, leaving hundreds of American workers without a job. I kept all that information, and have it on DVD.

      Here is an Exerpt from that information where the American workers were pleading with Romney to keep their jobs in the U.S.

      Yes, this is real. Employees of the Sensata plant who had to train their Chinese replacements because Bain is shipping their jobs overseas went to a Romney rally in hopes of finally getting him to hear their pleas. Tom Gaulrapp explained, “(A)s we were being removed, his (Romney’s) supporters are scream—first they start a “U.S.A.” chant. And we’re like, “Yes, we agree.” And then they started calling us communists for trying to keep our jobs from going to China.”

      Blessings and Hugs to you my friend.

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      Peg Cole 3 years ago from Dallas, Texas

      Interesting discussion about corporate greed here and in the comments. I'm reminded of the Solyndra story and the cost to the American taxpayer. ("Solyndra received a $536 million U.S. Energy Department loan guarantee before going bankrupt. Under the Solyndra restructuring plan, the government is projected to recoup 19 percent on $142.8 million of the loan and nothing on the remaining $385 million"). This affected 1,100 employees who were laid off. More details are found under "Obama's Solyndra Problem, Fact Check dot org. Just fyi. Corporate greed is not pretty nor confined to one party.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Au fait, thank you for you comments and sharing this hub.

      I hope that things will be better for you this year.

      God Bless you my friend.

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      C E Clark 3 years ago from North Texas

      Well, I can agree with Nicomp for once. We will always need God's help no matter who is president and that isn't necessarily a reflection on the sitting president at the time.

      Because of the required supermajority votes in order to pass legislation or approve appointments in the Senate, people like Romney aren't doing too badly right now even though a Republican didn't win.

      Had Romney become president, he would have done the bidding of the Republican Party like any other Republican who wants to keep their office would do.

      Sharing this with followers again . . .

      Hope your week is going well. I'm back to work in the morning . . . God bless.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thanks again Nicomp! For your comments.

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      nicomp really 4 years ago from Ohio, USA

      God help us if either one of them wins!

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      You are right Au fait, but people voted to my disbelief for "W's" second term and I am afraid these same people still have not learned their lesson and they will vote for Romney.

      God help us if Romney wins.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Mom Kat, I just say what I believe from the information I have gathered. And it is important in this electkion, more than ever, we the people, stand to lose more than ever if the wrong person's in the White House.

      There is so much depending on this election. Supreme Court Justices, at least two will be replaced and if Mr. Romney is elected he has said he will have Roe v Wade overturned, and he will end Planned Parenthood and Obama Care.

      I believe as Joe Biden said in the debate, I don't believe in abortion, but I don't believe that any MAN has the right to speak for any WOMAN on what she should do about her own health issues.

      Thank you again Mom Kat for your comments and for reading my hubs.

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      C E Clark 4 years ago from North Texas

      Bad as the economy is, I fear we will fall into another great depression if Romney wins. After all, he plans to go back to the same strategies that got us into this mess in the first place.

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      Mom Kat 4 years ago from USA

      Shyron, another very well written hub! I'm in awe of how civil and polite you are when responding to others who attack you for sharing your ideas, beliefs, or point of view.

      Sometimes with heated topics such as this, emotion plays a strong roll in how others respond. All too often when someone has a strong opinion opposite of our own, they have difficulty separating the quality of your writing skills with the passion they feel for defending their point of view or opinion.

      I truly appreciate you exercising your freedom of speech. You are a talented writer, keep up the good work!

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      nicomp,

      Thank you again for your comments! I can't answer your question, but I know that other people want to lay blame for anything that is wrong at the feet of the President, and take credit for what is right. (i.e. Like Romney wants credit for the Auto Bail Out, when he had said let them go bankrupt before the bail out.)

      Appreciate you comments.

      If I do not respond to you comments right away, that means I am working or I am tired from physical therapy for my hip replacement.

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      nicomp really 4 years ago from Ohio, USA

      If Obama had nothing to do with the layoffs from his branch of government, which I totally agree, you must also agree that he has nothing to do with the jobs created in the private sector during his term.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Nicomp, Sorry I don't always answer right away, thank you for you comments,

      I doubt that President Obama had anything to do with census takers being laidoff since the census is only taken every ten years.

      Do you know any census takers? I do, my sister!

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      nicomp really 5 years ago from Ohio, USA

      "nicomp, I did look up how President Obama benefitted from a book revision and could not find fault. If the book is his why should he not benefit."

      I agree. And the companies that Bain Capital purchased, with private money, are to the benefit of the officers and shareholders of Bain Capital. It was a voluntary and legal transaction by all parties involved. You're just looking for reasons to dislike the guy.

      Did you know that Obama has laid off people as well? In 2010 over 250,000 people were laid off from the Census department!

      Did you know that over 500,000 temporary census-taking employees were also let go and that those poor people had no health care coverage while employed by Mr. Obama?

      Yikes! Looks like Obama is just as tainted!

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      Shyron E Shenko 5 years ago from Texas

      nicomp, I did look up how President Obama benefitted from a book revision and could not find fault. If the book is his why should he not benefit.

      Here is what I found: The Faith of Barack Obama Revised & Updated and over one million other books are available for Amazon Kindle. ... will grant that he may have able to receive some benefit ...

      Look up how Romney earned 20,000 per layoff.

      While it is true that some of those companies went under after Romney had left Bain, the job growth for which he now seeks credit also occurred after his departure in 1999. But the bankruptcies — and the bust-out scenario that helped Bain to profit anyway — are not news. What AOL’s Daily Finance has contributed to the Bain debate is a simple calculation: Bain Capital booked $1.995 billion in profits from the layoffs of 11,030 workers at various firms. And by that scoring, Romney earned roughly $20,000 himself for each of those fired employees. Nice work if you can get it (or take it away from someone else).

      Here is what I found:

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      Shyron E Shenko 5 years ago from Texas

      Thank you nicomp,you can be sure I will check it out, but I doubt that no matter how much President Obama benefitted from whatever, I am sure it was not from laidoff workers.

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      nicomp really 5 years ago from Ohio, USA

      "I don't know about the profits BHO? Can you send me a link to check it out?"

      No, you wouldn't trust any link I sent you anyway. Do your own research. He signed a contract to receive 6 figures for a revised version of one of the books be supposedly wrote, shortly before his inauguration. But that's OK because he's your guy. Profits are only obscene when the other side earns them. I get that.

      PS: I found it on Google by searching for

      obama revised book contract inauguration

      You can too.

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      Shyron E Shenko 5 years ago from Texas

      I don't know about the profits BHO? Can you send me a link to check it out?

      Romney's Profit from Bain's Buyouts: Up to $20,000 Per Laid-off Worker. He said he created jobs. Is he counting the jobs of the people who remained, I am sure it was not new hires when Bain bought the companies.

      Have you ever worked for a company that was bought by corporate raiders?

      I have, I worked for Pyle National. They were bought by corporate raiders who came in chopped the company into bits and sold each bit by bit. Pyle had over 1000 employees, I know because I did time cards. As each department was sold, the employees were laidoff or fired.

      I know what it is to be laidoff and how hard it is to find another job, and at that time I had two babies to feed and care for and an ex who would not pay child support. You would probably say take him to court. And I would answer, "It would cost me to take him to court."

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      nicomp really 5 years ago from Ohio, USA

      "Bain's investors and Mr. Romney to walk away with huge profits"

      How huge was the profit that BHO realized just a few days before his inauguration? Oh, sorry, that profit doesn't fit your narrative. Some huge profit is OK, I guess. :)