Conspiracy theorist David Icke said say no to Swine Flu vaccine and jabs

The swine flu is rather frightening - and all because of the vaccine of course.

As for anyone actually having the disease...well, how on earth are they diagnosing it? Apparently they can diagnose it over the phone.

What a mess we're in! I just hope people will wake up soon!

Nice article!! I've just written one too but I've been a bit slow - I didn't realise that the David Icke message had been out for so long!

Even if there are no such devices today Imagine a device in the future that could replicate any desired object such as food and clothing,their would be no need for money for those items..If water is in short supply, reuse the waste water that you normally flush down the drain and process it so it can be used as irrigation water for growing plants.I saw a sustainable living house online that was in New mexico it had solar panels that produce enough electricity to produce hydrogen gas for fuel as well and food and oxygen that were produced from the plants growing in a greenhouse behind the property As for housing,and utilities there would have to be a collaboration between the people even if there were little or no money in any case in order to build and maintain those structures and utilities.

G'day Bard of Ely.

By looking around you and doing what others do would lead you to taking vaccinations. The 'solutions' come from inside you.

Greening The Desert

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sohI6vnWZmk

The Man Who Planted Trees tells the story of a solitary shepherd who patiently plants and nurtures a forest of thousands of trees, single-handedly transforming his arid surroundings into a thriving oasis. Undeterred by two World Wars, and without any thought of personal reward, the shepherd tirelessly sows his seeds and acorns with the greatest care. As if by magic, a landscape that seemed condemned grows green again.

http://www.infinite-love-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f...

Forest Gardens - youtube search

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=forest...

International Co-operative Alliance

http://www.ica.coop/al-ica/

There are many ways in which both individuals and groups can bypass the societal necessity of using money. Communal groupings that help to facilitate each other can be started with two people. From there they can grow to include as many people as are willing to benefit from such an endeavour.

By uniting together, there is a strength and diversity that isn't always available through individual effort. Although an individual can also achieve much on their own if they are willing to do what is required to attain their goal. How goals are achieved is entirely up to the group and not dependent upon what has previously been experienced. In fact, what goals the group sets is entirely their choice and not something that need be based upon 'societal norms'.

Ultimately, it is a choice that each individual makes on how they will live their life.

Do you accept group think, or do you think for yourself ?

Do you remain enslaved to society or do you live free of society ?

One step at a time, you move towards one or the other.

WHO IS THE ONE

WHO IS THE ONE,

THAT HAS THE CHOICE,

EACH WORD BEGUN,

WITH LOVE IN THE VOICE ?

WHO IS THE ONE,

THAT DOES GIVE,

EACH ACTION DONE,

WITH A MESSAGE TO LIVE ?

WHO IS THE ONE,

WHO’S CHOICE DOES ALLOW,

EACH THOUGHT BEGUN,

WITH LOVE FOREVER NOW ?

WHO IS THE ONE THAT HAS DECIDED,

WHO IS THE ONE THAT IS FREE ?

WHO IS THE ONE THAT HAS DECIDED,

WHO IS THE ONE THAT IS ME ?

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ONE

IS ALL

THERE CAN BE

FOR YOU TO SEE

WITHIN THE LIFE YOU LIVE

EACH MOMENT FOR YOU TO GIVE

A CHOICE TO EXPERIENCE WHO YOU ARE

INFINITY HERE AND NOW YOU'VE BECOME AN AVATAR

YOU INCARNATED TO BE AN EXPRESSION OF ALL POSSIBILITY

FOR YOU ARE THE ONE, AN INDIVIDUATED ASPECT OF DIVINITY

G'day Bard of Ely.

It appears that quite a bit of what I posted didn't appear in the post. Here's the link that went at the end of the quote ...

http://www.thevenusproject.com/a-new-social-design...

... the rest was my commentary, which I'll do my best to recall.

This is merely one way, it isn't the only way. The only thing that will limit us is ourselves. There are many different ways in which we can bring about a change in the societal structure that would be of benefit for all.

Some ideas could include; the use of Tesla technology/zero point energy; sustainable community developments; local community gardens; permaculture endeavours; etc, etc.

As I said, the only limits are those that are self-imposed.

The fact is that the current societal structure is not working. One merely has to look at the fact that there are over 35,000 people a day dying of starvation, with over 85% (more than 30,000) of them being children, and it is easily recognisable.

It is the simple truth, false beliefs create social conventions producing social dysfunction threatening species survival. The self-imprisoning idea of the requirement for money to be able to live is one of the major false beliefs.

To believe that money is required to live is an indoctrinated viewpoint that perpetuates the societal structure that is in place. Obviously it is a false belief, for the simple fact that you cannot eat money. It is brow beaten into individuals through the education system, which really is an indoctrination system designed to make you into a slave for the societal structure.

This false belief is another form of group think, lacking in free thought, imagination and logic.

Albert Einstein stated, "We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.", and also, "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.", and yet this is what is happening by repeating the mantra, over and over again, that you need money to live.

Ultimately, it comes down to the choices of the individual that will make change inevitable within our societal structure.

What are you willing to give to make changes ?

What would you give to have world peace ?

When your beliefs change, then you can start to express through, thoughts, actions, words, what is necessary to create the experience of freedom from the enslavement of the current societal structure.

I AM ALL I AM

NOW IT'S TIME TO DECIDE,

ARRIVE IN LOVE TO CONFIDE,

CHOOSE WHAT IT IS I EXPRESS,

ONLY TRUTH I WILL CONFESS.

EVERY CHOICE I MAKE FOR ME,

IS THE FATE THAT I DECREE,

PRE-SENT MY DESTINY,

IT'S MY SOULS GIFT TO ME.

FOREVER CHOOSE WHAT I GIVE,

EXPRESSED IN THE WAY I LIVE,

THE TRUTH OF WHO I AM,

I AM ALL I AM.

Hi Bard, I don't know about David Icke, but I'm not a fan of vaccinations for swine flu. I don't plan to get one anytime soon, and I don't relish the idea of the children having them either. Surely the government has something more worthwhile to 'invest' our taxes in?

G'day Bard of Ely.

Resource-based economy

A major theme of Fresco's is the concept of a resource-based economy that replaces the need for the scarcity-oriented monetary economy we have now. Fresco argues that the world is rich in natural resources and energy and that — with modern technology and judicious efficiency — the needs of the global population can be met with abundance, while at the same time removing the current limitations of what is deemed possible due to notions of economic viability.

He gives this example to help explain the idea:

"At the beginning of World War II the U.S. had a mere 600 or so first-class fighting aircraft. We rapidly overcame this short supply by turning out more than 90,000 planes a year. The question at the start of World War II was: Do we have enough funds to produce the required implements of war? The answer was No, we did not have enough money, nor did we have enough gold; but we did have more than enough resources. It was the available resources that enabled the US to achieve the high production and efficiency required to win the war. Unfortunately this is only considered in times of war." [14]

Fresco states that for this to work, all of the Earth's resources must be held as the common heritage of all people and not just a select few; and the practice of rationing resources through monetary methods is irrelevant and counter-productive to our survival.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacque_Fresco#Resourc...

A Resource-Based Economy is a system in which all goods and services are available without the use of money, credits, barter or any other system of debt or servitude. All resources become the common heritage of all of the inhabitants, not just a select few. The premise upon which this system is based is that the Earth is abundant with plentiful resource; our practice of rationing resources through monetary methods is irrelevant and counter productive to our survival.

Modern society has access to highly advanced technology and can make available food, clothing, housing and medical care; update our educational system; and develop a limitless supply of renewable, non-contaminating energy. By supplying an efficiently designed economy, everyone can enjoy a very high standard of living with all of the amenities of a high technological society.

A resource-based economy would utilize existing resources from the land and sea, physical equipment, industrial plants, etc. to enhance the lives of the total population. In an economy based on resources rather than money, we could easily produce all of the necessities of life and provide a high standard of living for all.

Consider the following examples: At the beginning of World War II the US had a mere 600 or so first-class fighting aircraft. We rapidly overcame this short supply by turning out more than 90,000 planes a year. The question at the start of World War II was: Do we have enough funds to produce the required implements of war? The answer was No, we did not have enough money, nor did we have enough gold; but we did have more than enough resources. It was the available resources that enabled the US to achieve the high production and efficiency required to win the war. Unfortunately this is only considered in times of war.

In a resource-based economy all of the world's resources are held as the common heritage of all of Earth's people, thus eventually outgrowing the need for the artificial boundaries that separate people. This is the unifying imperative.

We must emphasize that this approach to global governance has nothing whatever in common with the present aims of an elite to form a world government with themselves and large corporations at the helm, and the vast majority of the world's population subservient to them. Our vision of globalization empowers each and every person on the planet to be the best they can be, not to live in abject subjugation to a corporate governing body.

Our proposals would not only add to the well being of people, but they would also provide the necessary information that would enable them to participate in any area of their competence. The measure of success would be based on the fulfilment of one's individual pursuits rather than the acquisition of wealth, property and power.

At present, we have enough material resources to provide a very high standard of living for all of Earth's inhabitants. Only when population exceeds the carrying capacity of the land do many problems such as greed, crime and violence emerge. By overcoming scarcity, most of the crimes and even the prisons of today's society would no longer be necessary.

A resource-based economy would make it possible to use technology to overcome scarce resources by applying renewable sources of energy, computerizing and automating manufacturing and inventory, designing safe energy-efficient cities and advanced transportation systems, providing universal health care and more relevant education, and most of all by generating a new incentive system based on human and environmental concern.

Many people believe that there is too much technology in the world today, and that technology is the major cause of our environmental pollution. This is not the case. It is the abuse and misuse of technology that should be our major concern. In a more humane civilization, instead of machines displacing people they would shorten the workday, increase the availability of goods and services, and lengthen vacation time. If we utilize new technology to raise the standard of living for all people, then the infusion of machine technology would no longer be a threat.

A resource-based world economy would also involve all-out efforts to develop new, clean, and renewable sources of energy: geothermal; controlled fusion; solar; photovoltaic; wind, wave, and tidal power; and even fuel from the oceans. We would eventually be able to have energy in unlimited quantity that could propel civilization for thousands of years. A resource-based economy must also be committed to the redesign of our cities, transportation systems, and industrial plants, allowing them to be energy efficient, clean, and conveniently serve the needs of all people.

What else would a resource-based economy mean? Technology intelligently and efficiently applied, conserves energy, reduces waste, and provides more leisure time. With automated inventory on a global scale, we can maintain a balance between production and distribution. Only nutritious and healthy food would be available and planned obsolescence would be unnecessary and non-existent in a resource-based economy.

As we outgrow the need for professions based on the monetary system, for instance lawyers, bankers, insurance agents, marketing and advertising personnel, salespersons, and stockbrokers, a considerable amount of waste will be eliminated. Considerable amounts of energy would also be saved by eliminating the duplication of competitive products such as tools, eating utensils, pots, pans and vacuum cleaners. Choice is good. But instead of hundreds of different manufacturing plants and all the paperwork and personnel required to turn out similar products, only a few of the highest quality would be needed to serve the entire population. Our only shortage is the lack of creative thought and intelligence in ourselves and our elected leaders to solve these problems. The most valuable, untapped resource today is human ingenuity.

With the elimination of debt, the fear of losing one's job will no longer be a threat This assurance, combined with education on how to relate to one another in a much more meaningful way, could considerably reduce both mental and physical stress and leave us free to explore and develop our abilities.

If the thought of eliminating money still troubles you, consider this: If a group of people with gold, diamonds and money were stranded on an island that had no resources such as food, clean air and water, their wealth would be irrelevant to their survival. It is only when resources are scarce that money can be used to control their distribution. One could not, for example, sell the air we breathe or water abundantly

G’day Bard of Ely.

The way in which people live, and therefore what they support, is merely a choice.

Who told you that you needed money ?

Why did you believe them ?

If you are looking to create a future that maintains a level of technology, then you have Jacques Fresco ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc7x79kJ1S0

If you desire a smaller community, then you have the Kin Domain, which is based upon the Ringing Cedar books. Alternatively, you could also live on a commune or remove yourself to a place where indigenous people still live in the manner that they have for centuries.

The only one limiting you is you. For what you believe, you express, and this creates your experience. Therefore, to change your experience, change your beliefs, which will then be expressed through you thoughts, actions, words. These are the tools of creation of mind, body, soul, or whatever names that you choose to give them.

BELIEF IS ALL

ALL THOUGHTS, WORDS AND ACTIONS LEAD FROM YOUR BELIEF.

IF YOUR BELIEF IS OPPOSED TO ANYTHING, THEN YOU WILL BE UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND AND UNABLE TO SEE THAT WHICH YOU ARE OPPOSED TO.

YOUR BELIEF ALLOWS YOU TO UNDERSTAND AND SEE THAT WHICH YOU BELIEVE IN HERE AND NOW WITHIN THE PHYSICAL.

THEREFORE, BELIEVING WILL ALLOW YOU TO SEE, AND THAT WHICH YOU SEE IS A CONFIRMATION OF WHAT IT IS THAT YOU BELIEVE.

TO MASTER YOURSELF, OR EXPERIENCE SELF-MASTERY, YOU WILL REQUIRE A BELIEF THAT ENCOMPASSES ALL THAT IS.

THE BELIEF THAT ALLOWS YOU TO ENCOMPASS ALL THAT IS AND THEREFORE UNDERSTAND AND SEE ALL THAT IS, IS THE BELIEF THAT ALL IS POSSIBLE.

AS ALL THAT IS IS ALREADY HERE WITHIN ITS ENTIRETY, IT BECOMES YOUR CHOICE TO ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THAT IS AND ACCEPT THAT YOU ARE AN INDIVIDUAL ASPECT OF ALL THAT IS.

TO ACKNOWLEDGE IS TO RECOGNISE, OR RE-COGNISE, THAT IS, ONCE AGAIN EXPERIENCE KNOWING.

TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU ARE AN INDIVIDUAL ASPECT OF ALL THAT IS, IS TO ACCEPT YOUR TRUE SELF, THE INFINITE BEING THAT YOU TRULY ARE.

WHAT YOU ARE BEING, YOU EXPERIENCE, AND IT IS YOUR EXPERIENCE OF BEING YOURSELF THAT YOU ARE HERE FOR.

THEREFORE, WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO BE WILL DETERMINE YOUR EXPERIENCE, AND ONLY THROUGH YOUR EXPERIENCE CAN YOU EXPRESS SELF-MASTERY WITHIN THE PHYSICAL.

The choice is yours as to what you create. You can either choose to support the enslavement of others by supporting the current societal structure, or you can make a new choice that supports the freedom of all.

I BELIEVE

YOU HAVE THE POWER TO BE,

WHO YOU CHOOSE TO BE,

YOUR VISION YOU WILL ACHIEVE,

IN YOU I BELIEVE.

FROM INSIDE COMES CLARITY,

YOURSELF YOU CAN SEE,

I KNOW YOU'RE NOT NAÏVE,

IN YOU I BELIEVE.

IT'S YOUR LOVE YOU DEMONSTRATE,

WHEN YOURSELF YOU CREATE,

YOUR DESTINY TO ACHIEVE,

IN YOU I BELIEVE.

G’day Bard of Ely.

The danger that we all face is from supporting those in power to achieve their aims. Only by having willing slaves can The Hierarchy Enslaving You achieve their aims and maintain the enslavement of everyone. For without the assistance of the majority of the population, T.H.E.Y. cannot achieve their aims of world domination.

This is in part due to an adherence to the maritime laws that are in place, which includes copyright. The compliance of individuals to laws that have been set in place by The Hierarchy Enslaving You maintains that enslavement and enforces it upon others. It is a ‘blind devotion’ to the system that perpetuates enslavement, which entails the use of torture, killing of others, whether this be through vaccination poisoning, use of pharmaceutical drugs, or starvation where over 50,000 people a day die from the inequality of the system in place, or through the many wars that are used to maintain the system of enslavement.

Anyone supporting this system is complicent in the acts that the system perpetrates upon those that it commits these atrocities on. There is no middle ground where you can stand. Once you recognise the system for what it is and what it does, any form of supporting it is done with full knowledge and therefore that support is an advertisement of Who You Choose To Be and what you are willing to subject others to.

To claim to be opposed to the system of enslavement, yet at the same time promote one aspect of it, which ensures the willingness of others to finance the system, is not merely hypocritical, it is a blatant act of support, which is the opposite of that which is being claimed. That is not being opposed to the system. It is supporting it with full knowledge of what is being done with the support that is freely given. There is no need for the system to fight for support when it is freely given. It achieves its aims automatically.

If support is so freely given in this manner, then it beggars the question: Why would someone with full knowledge of what it will create support such a system of enslavement, torture and death ?

Cree proverb:

Only after the last tree has been cut down,

only after the last river has been poisoned,

only after the last fish has been caught,

only then will you find that money cannot be eaten.

Personally, I have nothing to do with the choices that DI, Gareth, or anyone else makes. What they, or anyone else, supports is simply a way of seeing Who They Choose To Be.

In the instances of David and Gareth Icke, it obvious Who They Choose To Be, T.H.E.Y. are The Hierarchy Enslaving You, as can be clearly seen by what it is that they support.

G'day Bard of Ely.

4:40 > "The perception they want people in is danger, danger, danger. Because once you get someone in fear of something, they will look outside of themselves for something or someone to protect them from what they've been manipulated to fear ..."

What is expressed in the video that you posted is exactly what DI himself does.

In this way, he has people doing something else that he talks about and has labelled them as "repeaters". These "repeaters" go around promoting DI as some sort of saviour, who without him preaching his message we would all have serious problems.

Well, let me start out by saying that I am free of any problems, serious or otherwise. I choose to think for myself, which means that there is no requirement for me to have someone else repeat information that some voice in his head has 'led' DI to talk about.

As far as I am concerned, DI can speak about whatever it is that he pleases to speak about, for I believe that we all are entitled to express ourselves as we choose to. David Icke, on the other hand, appears to not offer that same courtesy to others.

Here’s a thread on the net that explains the attempt to shut down the Illusions forum, plus the fax that was sent by Linda Atherton on behalf of David Icke ...

http://www.conspiracycafe.net/forum/index.php?/topic/17132-important-david-icke-tries-to-shut-down-conspiracy-forum/

Now, in regards to Gareth Icke ...

Icon Records

Parent company Universal Music Group

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icon_Records

Universal Music Group (UMG) is the largest business group and family of record labels in the recording industry. With a 25.5% market share, it is one of the Big Four record labels. It is a wholly owned subsidiary of Vivendi; Universal Studios, the movie studio, was sold in part to NBC, which itself is part of GE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Music_Canad...

Now, if you didn’t know, GE is one of the major arms dealers in the world. Here’s two easy to find examples on the net ...

The victory comes after three days of occupation which has made students across the campus aware of the £209, 000 worth of shares which, until yesterday, Cardiff University held in the arms trade. This included BAE Systems and General Electric who supplied Israel with weapons used in the recent attacks on Gaza.

http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com/2009/03/wel...

DAPA officials confirmed that GE was paying the program manager, Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Oh Sang-seop. The payments began after GE won a $440-million contract to supply 88 F110-GE-129 engines for 40 twin-engine F-15Ks in 2002, beating out Pratt & Whitney (P&W) with its F100 model, they said.

GE has been giving the manager $5,800 per month under a five-year contract, they said.

The payments are illegal as South Korean laws ban government officials from being paid by foreign governments or contractors. Such a deal would also cause ethical problems as the program manager is required to oversee fulfillment of the contract by GE, such as the production of engines, quality and deliveries.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2007/1...

... of course there are plenty of more examples if you are willing to do a google search. You’ll also find Rothschild and Rockefeller connections.

So, Gareth Icke is making money for the war mongers of the NWO by being a willing slave in the music industry that they wholly own. He is willing to sell out others to make sure that he has his financial rewards, while many people around the world suffer at the hands of the people using the money that he makes them, to kill people with the weapons that they manufacture.

While Gareth is doing this, David, who is apparently opposed to the NWO, promotes Gareth in order to make his slave masters even more money. Hmmm, a touch of hypocrisy, or is it a pay off for services rendered ?

G'day.

Here's some links about how vaccinations do not work as they are claimed to, all from CDC documentation ...

Dr Sherri S. Tenpenny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD-IuczagIQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH8s5aVxf3U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukdUwgnbwWg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO3yjQ4WDoE

On the topic of David Icke - well, you can listen to the man in his own words stating that he is a direct "son of the godhead", while the rest of the population are not. Here he is on the Fern Britton show doing exactly that ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q9ncm2jotI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzKBSMLuflk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMuI2vpVm_4

I have watched a lot of David Icke video presentations and read a few of his books. I've also spent time on the forum at his website, which coincidently is set up in the form of The Pyramid Of Power, which David says that The Hierarchy Enslaving You (T.H.E.Y.) utilise to control everyone.

He claims to have voices talk to him and lead him in his search to uncover the NWO, etc. Yet his 'research' is simply a regurgitation of other peoples work and offers no alternatives or solutions that are viable. He also promotes his son, who is 'owned' by the record company Icon, a subsidiary of UMG, and hence Vivendi. Which of course are players for the NWO.

But hey, don't let that stop you believing in the man, or even doing some looking into what he represents and even who supports him and his family. Don't let the fact that he attempted to get the Illusions forum shut down (so much for free speech), or that he doesn't walk his talk, you can simply believe something because he says it.

Nobody is going to vaccinate me. This beody belongs to me and I make my own health decisions. I will get a letter from my doctor stating that my immune system is suppressed and it could not withstand the ingredients in this vaccine. Other than that, I will use a "persuader" when they knock on my door to take me to one of their country clubs.

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e.r. is right.

I Think David Icke is right. This is a very serious matter. & I'm confused why other people still wouldn't believe the hidden evil agenda in all of this. I know the so-called "Elite Aliens" are responsible for this. Since then. This is so sad to hear, we're living a dream world, most people believe it to be real. If believing David Icke & his friends are wrong...then personally I don't wanna be right.

This scares the hell out of me, my baby already had 26 vaccination just for two years and been waiting for this flu vaccination because I thought it will make us all safe from getting sick. I thank you for this hub, this made me aware of the possible danger of getting one.

19th July quote from Independent on Sunday UK

"the IoS has learnt that the UK has signed an order that grants drug companies making the swine flue vaccine immunity from compensation claims by patients who suffer side effects. This highly unusual move comes after claims in yesterday's Independent that high-risk groups such as children are likely to receive the vaccine before the final clinical trial results are in. A dept. of health spokeswoman said 'our position is exactly the same as all countries using HINI vaccine. We accept liability, except for damages as a result of manufacturing defects."

If you doubt that there is something wrong here then check out what happened when vaccines like this were given before - some died but many many had very very bad side affects which lasted through their lives.

namaste

Once again Bard, you have hit it on the head. I am so riled up about this, I can barely contain myself. This, and all it's consequences will bring very negative results. It will prompt so many things that will devastate our population.

It is against my religion to take toxins of any man made substance into my body. Our congregation will be refusing any such horrific manipulation like this.

Thank you for your efforts in exposing this barbaric, primitive, illogical, senseless crime against humanity. Our people are in grave danger, and we "all" need to make an effort to pay attention here, and make moves that protect our people! Not bury them!

Very touchy subject for me, as you well know.

Thank you!

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O yes...like I am going to be so stupid as to listen to a conspiracy theorist, who was nothing more than a soccer (football) player before he took up the mantel of being a self-proclaimed expert on such loony subjects as 'George Bush is a reptilian' and so on...PLEASE. Don't be so silly unless you are joking. In which case, good for you...a great satire.

Bard - I find that quite a few folk misunderstand David Icke. Which is a great shame. He's labelled a conspiracy theorist ... which is largely unfair.

A bible believer/user is not called as such - simply because he or she chooses to shout out 'the truth' from whichever rooftops they choose.

I'm not saying that he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. Only that he researches well his material and, if anyone chose to do some scant background info upon him, they'd find that he's backed his so called 'theories' up time and again.

All David Icke has ever tried to do is expose some of the horrible hidden truths about the world around us. Personally, I didn't need him to inform me of much of what he researches.

But I still see less harm in him than I do in any of the worlds' governments. Or should I say world government?

It should be down to the individual. Icke would not be someone I would tend to believe about anything.

Bard - I've said it before and I'll say it again: the minute anyone in the government (or any such entity) starts showing concern for my wellbeing is the day I will truly start worry.

They can take their vaccination and shove it up their own backsides. Thanks for this. The world needs a remedy from monumental media bullshit - not a vial full of chemicals pumping straight into a main vein.

Some very interesting points. My husband has had the swine flu for a week and is feeling very miserable. He has a compromised immune system and doesn't understand a lot of things due to early senility. He accidently got two separate flu and pneumonia vacinnations this year under the VA system (long story on how that happened) -- anyway, he woke me up around three a.m. to question me "what good does flu shots do -- if you still get the flu?" Personally, I'm against flu shots for healthy people with healthy immune systems. We'll be pushed to get the swine flu vaccination under the VA system, I'm not sure whether we will.

In principle, we object to the idea of a compulsory vacination. However, given David Icke's history the fact that he has pronounced against the flu vacine makes me inclined to accept one.

Sensible comment above about those 'daisy' tests for TB , but doubt there is time to develop that for swine flue.

At the moment, neither of us is rushing around looking for a vacination.

How can anyone even think of jabbing people by force.

Here in England the media are hyping up swine flu to the max. The government have said they will vaccinate every body by next spring and then say they can't get enough in time!

I remember when they tried to scare us to death with bird flue, before that mad cow and before that salmonela in eggs.

I and my family have managed to live through all of these even though keeping chickens, eating English beef and soft cooked eggs all our lives.

Just think we a supposed to live in free countrys and the communists are bad!

I'm saying No to the vaccine, not just because its full of crap, but because I am infected with the virus, (which is no worse thatn a bad cold) along with my family. we all have natural immunity, therefore the jab will be useless. I'm gonna cite that, and state it will be a waste of money to use on me and my family and ask for a test similar to the test they use for TB (daisy test) to show I have antibodies in the system. But we are not having the jab. In the UK, there are not the resources to put everyone in jail, and I doubt that the army or police will enforce it since they are human beings with kids and families too. Personally I think this mandatory thing is all a big bluff. What they gonna do, put half the population in jail? I dont think the ptb have really thought this one thru.

I too say NO to this vaccine, to all vaccines and specifically to forcing anyone to experience disease on any level. This is what vaccines are, a small sample of disease mixed with other agents foreign to the body. It is really irrelevant the source or production of this strain or any other, disease is not natural and whether intentionally or mistakenly it is man made.

Dr. Mercola and Dr. Horowitz have also spoken out similiarly in reference to this supposed swine flu and the attempted vaccinations

Thank you for a great hub continuing to inform the world of options and about those who believe they have the right to enforce their beliefs onto others.