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Democrats Hate Clinton but will still Vote for Her

Updated on April 19, 2016
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Democratic voters don’t like Hillary Clinton; in fact most Americans don’t care for her. It’s not a big secret, after all if they did like her it would be her finishing up her second term in office instead of Barack Obama. Instead a Junior Senator from Illinois, with no real track record surprised her initially, before systematically dismantling her attempted run for the nomination. During the tough 2008 primary, she couldn’t convince enough of the Superdelegates to side with her and Mr. Obama went on the run for and was later elected President. And if she had any sort of favor left with the party, most would have believed she would get the Vice President nod, but again she did not. Joe Biden leapfrogged over her to take the slot. Some say that Hillary destroyed any chance of the VP slot when she spoke publically about the “birther” issue which was started by an anonymous e-mail, as a way to reignite her faltering campaign.

Remember What Happened...

Even today, people seem to have forgotten that it was Hillary Clinton, and not a member of the Republican Party, that really gave the notion credibility. The fact that the Republicans picked up on it, gave it life of its own. Her husband, former President Bill Clinton, also attacked Obama saying that he was incompetent and probably the recipient of affirmative action. Most people also have forgotten how Hillary, just like John Kasich, stayed in the race well after it was clear that she was going to lose. According to the Democratic insiders, Hillary was not seen as very favorable to the Party for almost splitting the ticket. Other Democratic Party leaders, still angry and embarrassed by the philandering of Bill Clinton saw a Hillary ascendance as a co-presidency of sorts, which in the eyes of the voters and the media would have been disastrous. The Clinton Presidency was something the Party wanted to put behind them. Today, many of these Party leaders still hold senior positions within the party or are Superdelegates or both. Yet, despite her baggage, despite her husband’s questionable behavior, and despite how much they don’t like her, they will be supporting her for President.

Democrat Strategies

In order to understand why they are taking this position, the entire political spectrum must be evaluated. The Democratic power brokers are viewing a living lesson, one begrudging being taught by their Republican counterparts with an outsider candidate named Donald Trump. They are also feeling the impact of how, outsider Senator Bernie Sanders as an alternative to Hillary Clinton has gained some serious traction with voters. In 2008, the Party allowed their voters to choose Barack Obama and his ideological rigidity over her personal corruption but they won’t make the same mistake twice. Because while Obama may have paid off Wall Street, the insurance industry, and Big Pharma with his Obamacare legislation and turning a blind eye to the street, he still played the public inquisitor and hammered them incessantly, putting donors at odds with the party elite. This time around the Democrats are making sure someone they control is on the ticket, and no matter how toxic she might be Hillary Clinton is that person. Yes, Martin O’Malley appeared to be a possible contender, but was soon seen as nothing more than window dressing for the debates. No matter how many states Bernie Sanders wins, it won’t be enough. The Superdelegates control about 15% of the total delegate count. Their number certainly can hold sway over who gets the nod, and from what the media tells us, it’s already been decided. Some call it survival of the party over the will of the voters.

The Game is Rigged

So, despite her lack of any notable achievements in over 25 years of government, she’ll be handed the nomination. And yes, the Democratic Party will nominate a candidate most Democrat voters dislike because their game is rigged. The Republican Party on the other hand looks to possibly nominate a candidate most Republican insiders dislike because their game is not. There are still a few hurdles in play, notably the daunting e-mail scandal, which could turn voters off to Hillary Clinton. Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren, both whom are loved by the electorate, may be called on to jump into the race to block Bernie Sanders. At the moment, the Clinton time-honed stall tactic and a recent speech by President Obama has been keeping the hounds at bay, but that can only go on for so long. Rumors swirl daily on if or when and indictment will be handed down and who is being pressured to take a deal, but truthfully it’s too hard to tell at this point. Both sides and the punditry class have been speculating when in fact most people just don’t know.

Summary

Self-declared Democratic Socialist Bernie Sanders is still out there campaigning and he’s certainly capturing enough hearts and minds to keep things interesting. He’s coming off of an impressive win streak that has the Clinton campaign flummoxed. My guess is that he’s planning to be the nominee if Hillary goes down, that is unless the Democrats try to take it away from him as it seems the Republicans are planning to do with Mr. Trump. Most people in America simply don’t trust Hillary Clinton. She does not appear to be motivated by the truth, she has too many skeletons in her closet, and seems to driven to win at any cost. Hillary is playing the gender card, following Bernie Sander’s lead on many issues, and has gone so far as to deny she’s part of the establishment to fulfill her quest. Bernie Sanders supporters seem to be anti-establishment enough that many will not vote for Clinton should she manage to dodge the e-mail bullet. It’s a similar question that’s being asked on the other side, if Republican voters can vote for Trump just to keep Hillary out of the White House, should he get the nomination. At this point it appears to be a question of which disdain will prevail or will many voters simply stay home this year if their candidate doesn’t get the nomination?

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  • Readmikenow profile image

    Readmikenow 

    11 months ago

    I am actually related to liberals by marriage. I believe if they were to find something wrong with Hillary Clinton, a liberal would have to realize there is something wrong with themselves and their beliefs. As long as they support Hillary, they are supporting their political beliefs and nothing is wrong. So, it's not important to a liberal to not deal with any facts truth or reality that could show their beliefs for the disaster they are...it's easier to live in a constant state of denial. That's why you'll never see the hardcore liberal types not support Clinton.

  • RJ Schwartz profile imageAUTHOR

    Ralph Schwartz 

    11 months ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    I find it anticlimactic that Hillary was exposed by Donna Brazile for hijacking the Democratic Party and using it for massive fundraising that was meant to only benefit her. She is being exposed to her voters who are now having second thoughts.

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    Old Poolman 

    23 months ago

    They must have.

  • RJ Schwartz profile imageAUTHOR

    Ralph Schwartz 

    23 months ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    I guess some Democrats finally seen the light about Hillary and crossed over to support Trump.

  • RJ Schwartz profile imageAUTHOR

    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    Unfortunately there are too many people who only see that she's a woman - so what? She's bad for America and highly unethical

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    Syed Ali Zain ul Abideen 

    2 years ago from Edmonton, Alberta

    Support for her , she better than Trump . and I think first Woman if he become President.

  • RJ Schwartz profile imageAUTHOR

    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    I didn't realize trolling was now happening on Hubpages - tell you what VelvetBlow - when you can start posting material you've written and researched, then we can talk. Right now on a scale of 1 to 10 your opinion doesn't even rate a one.

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    VelvetBlue17 

    2 years ago

    I didn't realize I was reading the National Enquirer...

  • VelvetBlue17 profile image

    VelvetBlue17 

    2 years ago

    These hit pieces are disgusting. If this were written about Prez Drumpf, he'd have you executed.

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    Old Poolman 

    2 years ago

    That sounds good to me.

  • RJ Schwartz profile imageAUTHOR

    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    I'm building it now - I've got lots of content but I want to give it a unique perspective and an open platform to encourage discussion outside of the PC world we live in - freedom of speech will be my guide

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    Old Poolman 

    2 years ago

    I would like that. Let me know when it is ready to go.

  • RJ Schwartz profile imageAUTHOR

    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    I'm starting my own blogger site - when it's up and running, I'd be honored if from time to time you'd do a guest piece - people need to hear the truth without censorship

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    Old Poolman 

    2 years ago

    I understand Ralph. I once had a hub taken down supposedly for copied content. I could not get HP to tell me what part was supposedly copied. They said it was up to me to find it and correct it.

    A few google searches later I found what I was looking for, a word for word copy of my hub on someone's blog site listing them as the author. This hub had been posted for several months on hub pages. I provided this information to HP but they said I could not prove mine was written before the blog so I lost that case.

    That is when I quit writing on HP until just a week ago.

    While I can see their point, I am just not going to waste a great deal of time fighting their liberal system.

  • RJ Schwartz profile imageAUTHOR

    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    I tried holding back and demanding they tell me what was considered hate speech and refused to change it until I got the last response. The hate speech they were unhappy with was the comment made by Tess Schlesinger when she called me names and my work as garbage. I laughed so hard that any ill feelings I had disappeared. It was easier to stomach making a few corrections after that to get it back up and running.

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    Old Poolman 

    2 years ago

    Good deal Ralph, but I would not have given in and changed a thing to fit their censorship. The PC police are just getting far to powerful these days to suit me.

  • RJ Schwartz profile imageAUTHOR

    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    I am pleased that the HP staff and I were able to work out our differences on this hub and bring it back to publication. I had to delete some inflammatory comments and reword some of the text, but nevertheless glad to have it back up and running.

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    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    Waiting for the explanation from HP

  • RJ Schwartz profile imageAUTHOR

    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    Thanks Hxprof - glad you could be part of the conversation. Many people are shocked by her comments. She took it further and started a question on people that were rude to her.... a bit of the pot calling the kettle black.

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    Hxprof 

    2 years ago from Clearwater, Florida

    RJ, good piece. I'm floored by Tess's statements here. From all I've seen from her, I gathered that she was an intelligent and considerate person, and maybe she is, but you can't tell by her comments on this hub.

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    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    Sounds like you've got her pegged Wild Bill

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    Wild Bill 

    2 years ago

    She also complains that in her personal life she is always cornered by religionists and forced into a position to talk about religion, which she said is uncomfortable to her. Yet she asks religious/atheist questions and Hubs about how awful religion is.

    It's like expects people to keep their mouths shut after she insults them. And when they stand up for themselves, she labels them trolls and reports them for harassment. Later, she is surprised that moderators haven't banned the person. Lol

  • tsadjatko profile image

    2 years ago from now on

    It's insecurity Ralph, plain and simple (coupled to a blind addiction to their whims)

  • RJ Schwartz profile imageAUTHOR

    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    Bill - Agreed about Austinstar, she only approves comments which agree with her ideology and even wrote a detailed hub on what she'll deny a comment for - its absolutely hilarious how some people feel the need to censor free speech.

  • tsadjatko profile image

    2 years ago from now on

    Wild Bill, "sad and lonely people whose only joy is to antagonize others"

    could be,

    but the root of it is basically insecurity. They can't stand to be shown wrong and they won't let go of their beliefs as if they are addicted to them. They just HAVE to present themselves as superior, to overcome their insecurity. These two aren't alone. One other comes to mind who demonstrates the same behavior when their feeble opinions are effectively challenged they write a hub page of rebuttal aimed at their detractors. They really want to be able to control the discussion and get like minded people to commiserate with them and their victimhood. Of all the things to write about they just can't move on, it like an addiction where they are compelled to hide their insecurity. Confident people simply admit when they are wrong.

    Wild Bill, who are you anyway? Are you a hubber?

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    Wild Bill 

    2 years ago

    RJ,

    Tess is an odd bird all right. It is funny because she goes on and on about certain types of people who are more intelligent and she somehow conveniently fits into those categories! It's like she constantly needs to pat herself on the back.

    She knows good and well that the question she asked was divisive, but when people start putting her in her place for it, she gets butt hurt and labels them as trolls. Even worse, she created a forum about it, which shows that she is actually the troll. In one of her comments she says that the extremists don't know they are extreme. That is so telling.

    I had the same situation with Austinstar. I made one comment to her and she blew up, called me names, created a forum about me, and went on and on about how I was the one who is a troll. She even slandered some poor innocent Hubber named Wild Bill in the process.

    Just keep in mind that these are probably sad and lonely people whose only joy is to antagonize others.

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    Paula 

    2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Mike.....I need to ask you~~ How on earth can they defend Hillary except by lying? It's really not possible is it? If the truth were told.....well, Oh my, it would be so ugly & messy, I couldn't watch!!

    Could you? Worse than a Killer-Thriller Movie!

    Mike show a little compassion my man.....they gotta do what they gotta do.

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    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    I wrote a funny hub to check out - The Liberal Newsletter - you'll get a laugh out of it.

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    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    They are trapped in a self created vacuum in which the tiniest pinprick could crash it all down.

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    Old Poolman 

    2 years ago

    Many believe it is terrible that Muslims are allowed to lie to defend their religion. But while it may not be written down anywhere, it seems that Liberals see no problem lying to defend their party.

  • tsadjatko profile image

    2 years ago from now on

    It's not Tess's fault, it's liberalism. Some say it's a disease, I say it's a symptom, the disease is immorality.

  • RJ Schwartz profile imageAUTHOR

    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    I've already called her out on her own post Tsad and I've included that wonderful paragraph so everyone can see how big of a hypocrite she is - Soneone else called her out too - it's too funny how she plays victim when her comments are harsh and condescending - Leslie and I fight a lot too, but deep down I respect her for sticking to her convictions, even if they are wrong. It will be interesting to follow the comments she gets and makes on that discussion. Thanks for having my back my friend - I appreciate it

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    Paula 

    2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Tess....I couldn't help but see your forum post asking what you should do when you feel you're being attacked, harassed & insulted. You say you deleted many of the comments but from this point on you would report them to a moderator to examine for "banning."

    I also can't help but be curious if you'll be including your extremely, rude, condescending & seriously insulting comment to Ralph questioning his education, travel experience, mental illness?? His "garbage" that he writes....ARE YOU F*CKING SERIOUS????!!

    I can assure you, if Ralph were to flag your comment, you'd most surely be banned. There's this thing about the "Goose-Gander: philosophy. You really think your comment was appropriate?

    Then you post a forum whining about being verbally attacked?

    I see...OK...seems rational to me, speaking of mental illness. You definitely need to get down off that high horse before he bucks you off!

    I spar back & forth with a certain guy, trading snide, nasty comments & he's even WORSE....but we've been fighting forever. We agree on some things like I think he's a big jerk and he thinks I'm an idiot. But, I'd never report him because he's too stupid to care!

  • tsadjatko profile image

    2 years ago from now on

    I know, that's why I said people "with her mentality," they consider themselves above the law, above morality. The ends justifies the means and you have to flaunt these characteristics not only behind closed doors but in public to be recognized by the Democrat establishment as a leader.

    The Republican establishment not so much in public but I guess alot behind closed doors.

    I'm not a fan of either establishment types but for now we have to play the hand we're dealt in hope of a brighter future (sad to say that looks far far off if it can ever be found).

  • RJ Schwartz profile imageAUTHOR

    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    It's not just her Tsad - the entire establishment has this aristocratic belief that they are of a higher class, a ruling class. Guess you can let the colonists leave the crown, but the desire for the crown never left some colonists - it just sat dormant waiting for the right time.

  • tsadjatko profile image

    2 years ago from now on

    It's the preponderance of people with the mentality of D W Shultz and those who look the other way when their idols are misbehaving (I'm being kind with that word) that makes me want to leave what the country is becoming with them at the helm.

  • RJ Schwartz profile imageAUTHOR

    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    Funny how every Liberal feels the need to distort facts, even when trivial. She's like an uppity version of Leslie and anti-American as well.

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    Old Poolman 

    2 years ago

    Birds of a feather flock together.

  • tsadjatko profile image

    2 years ago from now on

    I just love Debbie Wasserman Shultz. The one who got caught lying about lying and trying to blame her lie on a conservative newspaper.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVEpKQHs6Ac

    Yes. Tess you're keeping good company with her in your list of idols.

  • RJ Schwartz profile imageAUTHOR

    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    Dear Progressive Tessica,

    In American politics, a "superdelegate" is a delegate to the Democratic National Convention who is seated automatically and chooses for whom they want to vote. These Democratic Party superdelegates include distinguished party leaders, and elected officials, including all Democratic members of the House and Senate and sitting Democratic governors. Other superdelegates are chosen during the primary season. Democratic superdelegates are free to support any candidate for the nomination. This contrasts with convention "pledged" delegates who are selected based on the party primaries and caucuses in each U.S. state, in which voters choose among candidates for the party's presidential nomination. Because they are free to support anyone they want, superdelegates could potentially swing the results to nominate a presidential candidate who did not receive the majority of votes during the primaries.

    Funny how you distort what Debbie Wasserman Schultz says in your own link - so here's the exact quote - much different.

    The purpose of superdelegates -- which by the way, have never been a determining factor in who our nominee is since they've been in place since 1984 -- is to make sure that party activists who want to be delegates to the convention don’t have to run against much better-known and well-established people at the district level," said the South Florida congresswoman.

    The first election where Democrats used superdelegates was in 1984, where they helped Mondale secure the nomination on the first ballot at the convention. It’s not clear that they were the "determining" factor. Some say Mondale would have won without them.

    Truth is, the Carp is Hillary's buddy and will do anything to get her elected.

  • RJ Schwartz profile imageAUTHOR

    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    And she's gone in typical progressive fashion. Drop some bombs, preach some hate speech, tell us how stupid we are for being capitalists, and then think they got the last words in and leave. I had an argument with her on capitalism once and she pulled similar tactics.

    I guess it's our thuggish behavior that makes us free to do what we want instead of support a collective thinking sharing one brain, one doctrine, and marching lockstep to our doom.

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    Old Poolman 

    2 years ago

    TessSchlesinger - Wow your life is based on misinformation and party bias. You quote statistics that are not accurate and that is not normal for an intelligent writer. I would now have to put you in the category of Hard-Core Liberal who is not open to truth or willing to do fact checking on their own.

    Just have yourself a great life in whatever Socialist/Communist country you choose to live in.

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    Tessa Schlesinger 

    2 years ago from South Africa

    Old Poolman, I spent 11 years in the states. The degree of harassment and trolling I have experienced from Republicans just for being progressive is nothing short of bullying in the worst tradition of thuggish behaviour. Every single ambassador from other countries as per a recent newspaper story has said that they fear what will happen if Trump becomes president. He is a fascist, a narcissist, etc. How can anyone support that?

    Well, you can, if you're like that yourself.

    44% of Trump supporters are authoritarians. That means they don't negotiate and try to work things out. It means that if they don't like something or someone they shoot their way out. This is barbaric, uncivilized. It's just not possible to support a party like that and have any credibility.

    As all liberals are called stupid, retards, and more by Republicans, I have no problem with returning the compliment. My experience in the States did not teach me otherwise.

    I'm sure there are Republicans that aren't thugs, but the question then becomes why on earth they would support inhumane policies and why they think that the cause of their woes are Latinos. The cause of American woes is American culture which worships money and the result is that people will steal, underpay, and do whatever it takes to grab every penny they can at the expense of others.

    You thus have more than 50% of the American population living either on the breadline or below the breadline. You have a mass of poorly educated people who are not fit to vote. You also have a few hundred people owning most of the wealth of the United States. And this is Republican philosophy.

    I don't understand your ignorance.

    Lastly, I wanted to correct some inaccuracies here. I don't support either of the Clintons. I think the only feasible person running is Bernie Sanders. He is in line with all first world countries. But then, you wouldn''t know that if you have never lived in the first world. America, from experience, has more in common with the third world than the first world.

    Not going to continue this conversation. You can take this or leave this.

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    Old Poolman 

    2 years ago

    TessSchlesinger - I'm very surprised that someone of your intelligence would make a statement saying all republicans are simply awful. To lump every Republican into one category doesn't fit with your knowledge and life experience.

    I could say that all Democrats are stupid because they can't understand why everything can't be free. But I happen to know that all of them don't go along with free everything just as all Republicans are not awful.

    Perhaps it is a good thing you decided to move to another country with close minded thinking as you demonstrated in your last comment.

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    Tessa Schlesinger 

    2 years ago from South Africa

    From Debbie Wasserman who heads the DNC, superdelegates have never been used since 1984.

    http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2016/...

    There have been numerous articles in the past week that they don't make the decisions.

    This is just Clinton spin trying to make out that she's leading. In reality, Bernie is something like 220 delegates behind her, and the best is yet to come. If Clinton takes the nomination, Trump will probably win. That's because 1/3 of Bernie Sanders supporters will not vote for Clinton. Ten percent of them will vote for Trump, and the balance will either not vote at all or they will vote for the Green Party.

    I do not support Clinton and would never vote for her.

    It's Republican hatred of liberals and their 50s mentality that made me realize that the USA is not a place I wanted to live in, so I left. I have lived many countries in the free world, but I have never met people like Republicans before. They are simply awful.

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    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    She's most likely splitting hairs on the language - they pledge to a candidate which is a de facto vote - doesn't matter either way. Maybe she misses oppressing people under Aparthied back in SA. I can take anything she dishes out.

  • tsadjatko profile image

    2 years ago from now on

    I don't know where she gets the idea super delegates only vote if there is a tie. That is a plain lie.

    If that were true they wouldn't be including them in Hiliary's (and Bernies) total and if Bernie went into the convention with a majority of pledged votes, not a tie, you know the super delegate votes would put Hiliary over.

    I don't have time to analyze the rest of tess's assertions, but I'll bet they are all twisted. Maybe her last paragraph was projecting herself on you Ralph, liberals have been known to do that. ciao

  • RJ Schwartz profile imageAUTHOR

    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    I've run into her kind before - they don't scare me in the slightest. She claims to be some great professional writer - makes you wonder why she's trolling hubpages. And she's what, a white person from South Africa - used to playing the elitist role and feeling superior to people. I bet she gets her haughty opinion stuffed back in her face a lot here in America - a free country. I hope she posts again so I can give her a real "friendly" response. After all, I am just an undereducated garbage writer.

  • tsadjatko profile image

    2 years ago from now on

    Ralph, they demean the messenger, just one of the liberal playbook tactics. They, the self appointed elitist that they are, have to malign the messenger so in their mind anything you say is not worthy of consideration. Tess is a textbook liberal, and while she should be ashamed of it and her condescending behavior, you can bet in her mind she is proud to be a member of the only group of people who matter.

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    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    Thanks for your input Elaine - I think you express the sentiments of many Voters

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    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    Tessy - Your level of arrogance nauseates me. And um, yes super delegates do have a major input on deciding the candidate.

    You overuse your socialist background to try to put down people who haven't met your requirements for world travel or some other convoluted measurement. If you don't care for us lowbrow people, then don't bother reading or commenting on it because all you'll get is grief and backlash.

    Snopes.... Ha ha ha ha - that's a credible source in your opinion?

    I'm so happy you think what I write is garbage and I'll continue to do it just because it angers you so much you need to try to demean me, therefore I consider it a success.

  • tsadjatko profile image

    2 years ago from now on

    While it may be true" the birther movement appears to have begun with Democrats supporting Clinton and opposing Obama," just because you can't find a direct connection to Clinton doesn't mean she or her camp wasn't behind starting that rumor...we all know how the Clinton's work, they'd make sure they had plausible deniability on that especially since it would benefit her campaign by planting a smear out there of Obama to whom she was losing. I don't doubt for a second she was behind it, that she lied about Benghazi, that she lied about her email scandal that she lies about everything.

  • tsadjatko profile image

    2 years ago from now on

    Of course Hiliary didn't call Democrats stupid! She is never right.

    Ralph. you should know the state, it's I da ho!

    (that was a Jay Leno joke when "ebonics" was in the news).

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    elaine31347 

    2 years ago

    Putting all the lies, flip flops, NeoCon hawk war record and decades of serious scandals behind, it is the vote suppression and election fraud this primary cycle that is causing me to not vote for Clinton if she is the Democratic nominee for president. No fear of a Trump or Cruz presidency can get me to cast a vote for this icon of corruption. I will not be blackmailed into a Hillary vote!

  • RJ Schwartz profile imageAUTHOR

    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    Great point, I'd forgotten about that. Also,the Uranium deal with Russia is still hanging out there somewhere (also had cash flowing to the Clinton foundation) Maybe the FBI finds a link on her server. Thanks for joining the conversation - your comment is a great addition.

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    prettymeadow 

    2 years ago

    RJ Schwartz:

    I know a few people who will vote for Trump if Bernie Sanders doesn't get the nomination. Others will vote for Jill Stein or stay home. Clinton will not win the presidency even if she does win the nomination.

    She has far too much baggage. Not to mention an investigation to deal with.

    What turns me off the most from her, is the weapons contracts given to donors of the Clinton Foundation. That just reeks of poor ethics.

  • RJ Schwartz profile imageAUTHOR

    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    I don't - I've been getting a stuck screen at the bottom of many hubs today - like some sort of video advertising block is jammed up

    What state?

  • tsadjatko profile image

    2 years ago from now on

    what is going on with posting comments to your threads?

    Hey Ralph, did you hear about the ebonics Miss America Pageant? Back when ebonics was in the news Trump was going to start it.He got all the states to participate except one so they couldn't do it. You know which state that was right?

  • RJ Schwartz profile imageAUTHOR

    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    Make you to check out the Liberal Newsletter on my feed - extra extra read all about it!!!

  • RJ Schwartz profile imageAUTHOR

    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    Make you to check out the Liberal Newsletter on my feed - extra extra read all about it!!!!!

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    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    Dwinks on me evwebuddy !

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    Paula 

    2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Hey!! Wha-wha-what's s s s s s s so ba ba ba ba bad ab ab ab about Elmer Fu fu fu Fudd?? He's a ad ad ador adorable! I I I'd v v vo vote f f f f for hi hi h hi...him......I I I L L L L ....Awwwww NUTS!

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    Somerled 

    2 years ago

    This post gave me a much needed laugh and the photo set of drunken monkey Clinton was great - thank you! This Bernie supporter will not be voting for Hillary. I'll vote Jill Stein as a protest vote against Hillary.

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    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    Lana - welcome to the conversation - thanks for the endorsement - I added the Hitler picture as kind of a counter punch to the media who are always portraying Trump as Hitler - it goes both ways.

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    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    Tsad, the posts are both showing up on the thread

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    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    Ooooooh The Carp - she's part of the fix being in at the DNC - buddy buddy with Hillary

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    Jody Coyote 

    2 years ago

    Uh...no. No we won't vote for her. A lot of us will let the DNC crash and burn to get rid of election fraudster, Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

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    Paula 

    2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Lana...Well, it's unfortunate we are on opposite sides of the country. I'm sure you & I could have a wonderful day in November on election day. We could start out in the morning & have breakfast, then walk it off at the Mall, take in a Movie, then have lunch. While doing all that, we could decide on what fabulous sights we'd like to take in and perhaps just sit in a park somewhere, people watch and feed the birds.

    This may wind up being the first time ever, since being of age ( a very long time ago) that I have even considered not voting. If between now and then, I still feel as I do.....maybe you & I can just hang out at our respective voting spots & text back & forth on all the activities....trying to GUESS who people have voted for!

    Keep in touch! I really don't know whether to laugh or cry. Peace, Paula ( P.S. Four times I chose the name "Lana" for a daughter. After the 3rd son, I was SURE I would have my Lana....It was not meant to be. I wanted to name my 4th. son "Lane"...but Daddy didn't go for it! I quit!)

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    Lana Adler 

    2 years ago from California

    I liked your article, you argued your point very eloquently, although Hitler and Hillary side by side was a bit too far, in my opinion.

    I think if anyone embodies the frustrations all Americans have with the government, a.k.a. the corporate oligarchy that rules this country, it's Sanders. And to answer your question, yes, I'm staying home if I can't vote for my candidate. I do not consider Hillary the lesser evil or the "common ground" for the democrats, that's preposterous! I've seen her voting record, it speaks volumes.

    As for Trump - I cannot vote for someone who calls women dogs and fat pigs. And he may be pro-America, but he seems to be mostly pro-Trump.

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    Paula 

    2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Good grief! Hillary's S-H-R-I-L-L is enough to send Norman Bates running for cover..!

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    2 years ago from now on

    I don't know what happened, I was typing and my comment posted itself, says your comment has been submitted but it's gone, can't edit. If you have it Ralph but can't post it maybe you can save it and email me so I can repost - this is weird.

    Anyway to continue it ...dancing like sugar plums in their heads. The prayers of evangelicals will be answered and sHrilliary will go down in history as

    THE BIGGEST LOSER! (The title of the documentary to follow the election.)

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    2 years ago from now on

    I firmly believe if sHrilliary is the Democrat candidate it will be a record breaking turnout vote, not for the lesser of 2 evils but a landslide vote against a woman, not because she is a woman but because she is a travesty of a woman and No charges 'a travesty of justice.

    People including DINOs (democrats in name only or Reagan democrats) will come to their senses and realize a vote for her is putting the fox in charge of the hen house and AOE (anyone else) is better than voting for the devil him/herself incarnate.

    Call me crazy, I don't believe the national polls that say she'd beat Trump, I don't care if the establishment Republicans go bonkers at a brokered convention and nominate Elmer Fudd for president, in the end, the final lap the nightmare of a sHrilliary Clinton administration will be dancing like visions of sugar plums da

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    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    So I'll ask again - do we feel that voters are just going to stay home this election cycle? Can either of the candidates fix their tarnished images enough to encourage people to vote for them? Sanders voters are already polling at 33% will NOT vote for Hillary, so do they go Trump? Write-in? Remember that for many of them, it's their first time voting. I'm really trying to get some ideas on this topic as it intrigues me. It's the lesser of two evils theory in boldface print. I'm supporting Trump, as if you didn't already know, only because he embodies the frustration all Americans have with the deadlock of Washington, the wasted spending, the pledge one thing, then do another. He is pro-America and for now, that's enough for me. He runs his businesses by surrounding himself with the best people and that could be positive for Washington - and we know he'll be very happy to dredge up the dirty laundry of the Clintons.

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    breakfastpop 

    2 years ago

    Hillary is a disgrace and a disaster. Anyone, and I mean anyone, who is still going to vote for her doesn't mind liars. That alone speaks volumes.

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    Paula 

    2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Exactly, Carolyn....Many of us have made that statement due to sheer frustration and disgust. It takes a few moments to ask, as you have, "Where would I go?" I hate that part. They have most of us stuck in our own familiar world, lock, stock & barrel......just like shooting fish in a barrel. They sure as heck use that to THEIR advantage!

    At least we understand why parents simply laugh at their 4 & 5 yr. olds when they threaten to "run away from home..."....We're doomed. :(

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    Carolyn Fields 

    2 years ago from South Dakota, USA

    This is such a mess. It makes me want to revoke my citizenship and move to . . . wait, where would I go? Ugh.

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    Old Poolman 

    2 years ago

    How anyone could vote for this outright lying criminal is beyond me. I guess it could be due to pure party loyalty and nothing else.

    Perhaps it could also be that the process of marking a ballot is just way too complicated for some voters. They only know the party they are loyal to and only have to look for the "D" or "R" to make their decision.

    And as hard as it is to believe, the Bill Clinton fan club is still alive and well. Many think that if Hillary is elected they will have their beloved Bill back in the White House.

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    2 years ago from now on

    Hil LIAR Y, finally someone spelling her name the right way! Although I've also seen it spelled Shrilliary which I think may be an even more accurate spelling.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wSuiSDWro8

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    Paula 

    2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    R.J..That first photo is a doozy. Most authentic picture of Hil LIAR Y Rottenham Clinton's true essence. The Mad Matriarch of D.C..

    No one will ever accuse you of not educating the public, my friend. Rip-roarin job you are doing, trying your best to present where the bear sh#ts in the woods. Kudos to you, Sir. It saddens me terribly to know that the sheer, unadulterated truth falls upon deaf ears & blind eyes. Only those of us who have always known and refuse to delude ourselves, see the huge, ugly frightening picture.

    It has happened. I've assumed the ostrich position. This is uncharacteristic of me~very little fight left in me~just can't deal with the frustration & horror, R.J. The Hil LIAR Y Honchos have nearly done me in. What is there left to do or say when our fellow-Americans fanatically insist to drink the poison? With every gulp, they kill us all.......(Wow, I'm really down & out!)

    Carry on my comrades....I'll be attending to my weary mind and heavy heart. If I don't step back, even just for a while, this old body will cave.

    How has an election campaign caused such massive (as you put it so well) HATRED?

    Don't stop now, Ralph. You're on a fabulous roll. Paula

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    Ralph Schwartz 

    2 years ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    you're right on that note Tsad - could be a very low turnout if the Sanders supporters and the blue blood Republicans stay home. I think there is a lot more Hillary dirt going to be refreshed in the coming months...Vince Foster and the rest of the body count won't rest in peace until they a last word in.

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    2 years ago from now on

    Yeah,

    well done.

    You hit the nails on the head. Too bad those nails aren't in her coffin. Funny how Hiliary was an enabler to her husband's philandering "sexual assault capades" and now her supporters are nothing more than enablers to her criminal behavior. Without their support she'd have no chance of winning an election and would probably be in jail by now.

    Do those supporters https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/12786488_f260.j...

    care at all about decency https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/12826715_f260.j...

    ?

    This will be an interesting election. I don't think anyone can predict what might or will happen.

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