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Gay Marriage

Updated on June 8, 2008


Then....and now?

Faith vs Rights

So California looks like they are going to let gay marriage become a legit marriage just as straight couples. Cool with me, I'm not gay so it doesn't really effect me but it's good to see barriers being broken down and equal opportunities for everyone. This one guy at work though seems to feel differently stating that it infringes on his rights, takes away from his marriage, goes against the bible, and isn't fair to straight couples. Keep in mind he is a very conservative (republican) person who holds close to his Christian faith and who holds himself as a true American Patriot. I am just a normal guy who he would consider liberal (democrat), no faith, open minded, and just feel everyone should be treated equally.

We get into a debate about whether or not gay marriage should be legal. Here are the thoughts.


I am all for gay marriage because everyone should be treated equally without judgement from religious ideas. I consider myself very Patriotic because I care very much for my country and feel the core principles were were built on are very important and logical for our country because we are not one type of people like most countries but yet a larger group of random types of cultures into one like trail mix. Going against gay marriage would be like striking out multiple lines in the Constitution for equal opportunities and creating another tear in society just as the Civil Rights movement that left many dead and lasting negative feelings towards one another. Was all the drama really needed over the fact that one person had different color skin than the other? So that is my political view on it and the fact that anyone who sets up laws against equal rights should not be allowed to call themselves an American. Why does it matter to you, what other people do as long as they aren't hurting you. Marriage was defined as being between a man and a woman but was that definition really justified for the time? Same sex couples really have only been coming out more and more in the past decade or so and with that comes new ideas, one of them being marriage. They Should have the same right to b e happy and unified as straight couples and not have to call it something else. If it is called something else, then they might as well sit at the back of the bus.

His Thoughts (which I feel go with most of the people who oppose same sex marriage)---

Marriage was defined as being between a man and a woman. God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, God doesn't like gay people, it's not right, "they take it in the ass". Those are hi arguments which he feels very passionately about. I can respect the fact that he has an opinion, but I can't accept the fact that he thinks he is so American but all of his arguments are probably some of the most ridiculous arguments made by someone who claims to support our Constitution. Let's go over them shall we?

---Marriage defined as being between a man and a woman--This is probably his only good point because yes it was defined as that and i can respect that. But definitions are only made for what they can explain and at the time that was what was expected, marriage between a man and woman. Only recently have we seen more people coming out and wanting the same rights so in this sense I could see this definition being changed.

---God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve--I am so tired of hearing that stupid phrase. Yes if you believe in creation then yes this is what happened, but last time I checked Adam and Eve messed everything up. Regardless, this isn't relevant because because our laws says there is a separation between church and state. "One nation under god" also not written for our time because of the different types of religion.

---"they take it in the ass"--- Probably one of the most ignorant and stupidest things for someone to say who is trying to make an argument. Not all gay people are men, for one, and not all of them do that. Even so, why does that matter to you, it's not your problem, it's not you, don't worry about what other people are doing.

---Takes away from his marriage---This I don't understand because marriage between a man and a woman has to do with love (hopefully) and so why can't others feel that same love? Some argue that saying "life partner" is better. I think that is just the same as making people drink out of another fountain.

So there are his and my points. I obviously agree with myself but I thought I'd shed some light onto some points that people make. People that claim to love America and want to hold its rights seem to always stretch this notion into a grey area where their own convictions effect the outcome. Why not just allow for an equal opportunity country like it was set up to be as long as it doesn't really hurt other people in some way. Using the Bible also doesn't justify anything. You can't base life on a book that was written centuries ago that may not even be real. This doesn't hurt people because if it did, a lot of people would b e hurting right now because same sex couples are getting married, and if you haven't noticed, The Apocalypse didn't happen. Peace


P.S. Just because Gay Marriage is legal, doesn't mean you have to do it

Check this website out for info on hate crimes. Really interesting, those who may not like gay people should check it out too, it's different to see it at a different angle.

random thoughts on gay marriage

John and Ellen

Good points

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    • YoJDawg profile image

      YoJDawg 9 years ago from Arroyo Grande

      I agree, too many times do we make laws based on personal views rather than basing it on whats equal, whats fair, and a wider view.

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      J_Eds 9 years ago from Blackpool

      Although i am not gay myself, i am ALL for gay marriage. We cater for far too many religions in each country in this day and age to cater for everybodys relgious views. This is why i am for all law being based on LOGIC and FACT not relgion.

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      YoJDawg 9 years ago from Arroyo Grande

      Yeah, i agree, there are bigger issues in life that have a negative impact on society, drugs, abuse, violence, hate, it's really sad to see people making issues out of things that shouldnt be an issue.

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      stylezink 9 years ago from Atlanta, GA.

      You've written a great hub. It's so sad people can't get past anything that doesn't directly affect them. What irk's me a little is that your co-worker can't come up with any original ideas of his own and why he is against it. Everything he says is stuff you hear on television, movies, and other random people that swear they're saying something new. I just feel like if your going to be against something you should have YOUR OWN valid reason; don't use everyone elses. You know what I'm saying.

      A new thing I do in my life that I think all these hateful, nosey, and closed minded individuals need to ask themselves, How does it really affect you? I ask myself this in many situations.