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Indiana Pence and the Law of Doom

Updated on March 29, 2015

Holier than THOU?

How to lose revenues in one easy step

Governor Mike Pence of Indiana has really done it this time. With his signing of the RFRA anti gay law, he has not only incensed the LGBT community, he has caused at least 13 corporations (not including Starbuck's, whose CEO has publicly blasted the good Governor) to rethink their positions on Indiana as a viable location for business. (See http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/03/29/13-companies-outraged-over-indianas-anti-lgbt-law-the-state-stands-to-lose-billions/ for the story). Why was it so important for this law to exist? A very good question, which I hope we can figure out here.

Apparently, the religious right in Indiana believes that LGBT lifestyles are unnatural in the eyes of God. Sound familiar? Of course it does. It's the war cry of all hypocritical religions all across the world. I am a Christian raised in a traditional Christian religion (Greek Orthodox for those of you keeping score). I believe, as does my religion, that all people are God's children, and everyone has a lifestyle that they choose according to God's Commandments. I don't recall any of the Ten Commandments saying "Thou shalt only live with a member of the opposite sex", and, as an altar boy umpteen years ago, I don't recall any passage in The Bible that states that. Not in the original Bible, anyway. Lord only knows what "perverted for my purposes" Bible these other morons read. I also believe in Jesus helping those in need, but that is a totally different subject to be examined at a later time.

What a lovely sentiment

Read that photo carefully

"Fags deserve to die". Think about that statement from the perspective of Christian values. According to the (real) Bible, no one deserves to die, not even murderers, although there are some who need bamboo shoots left to grow under their fingernails. God is all forgiving. Those who operate under the pretense of being Christian, are not. They are some of the most prolific haters in the world. In fact, they are more like fundamentalist Muslims than Christians. They use God's name to hide their hatred, when, in fact, they are nothing more than sociopaths under the guise of religious soldiers. I know none of us are perfect Christians or Jews or Muslims or Buddhists (you get the idea), but we, as a whole, are not full of hate for anyone that doesn't conform to our ideals. Sound like anyone you might know of? Hint: He had a little tiny mustache under the center of his nose.

Now, Indiana wants to be the next Berlin, harboring as much hatred as they can muster. What's next? No Christians other than fundamentalists are allowed to do business in the state? Hmmm, that's OK by me. I have no intention of going there anytime soon anyway. I don't like the social climate.

And, just for the record, I am not gay, bisexual, transgendered or a lesbian (well, if you look at it purely as loving women, then I guess I am in a fashion). My interest in this topic is due to the fact that, as a musician, I have interacted with and have many friends who are lesbian/gay/bisexual/transgendered. There is no reason other than I found them to be great people to have as friends. I have a lot of straight friends too. I have also found them to be great people to have as friends. Most of them also have enough of a brain to realize how wrong this kind of segregation is. As opposed to the Mike Pences of this world.

So, where does this hatred come from? Is it in the cells even before birth, or is it a learned emotion? Of course it's learned. We are not born hating anyone or anything. We learn it from our surroundings, especially our parents. Hatred is the most base of human emotions, the very essence of evil. So, what place does it have in a Christian faith? Well, going back to the (real) Bible, it has no place in religion, just as religion should not dictate political policies. Governor, you are in violation of God's laws. Shall we start flogging you now?

That's OK, I hate Chik-fil-A chicken

Who wants your nasty chicken anyway?

Chik-Fil-A is not my idea of chicken. Even though I was raised as a New England Yankee, chicken is supposed to be fried in a deep fryer with breading all over it, preferably with some BBQ sauce (OK, so I'm not a purist, sue me). I have never liked KFC and I don't like Chik-Fil-A any better. So, I have no problem with driving by your "restaurants" without patronizing them. Please feel free to take them out of my LGBT loving state. Our kids will be healthier for it.

As I had stated before, there are no less than 13 companies/corporations who have already condemned this travesty of a law. The list reads like a who's who of corporate giants. The NCAA (the NCAA for God's sake!) is considering moving this year's Final Four out of Indiana, and that's only a couple of weeks away. In fact, Charles Barkley called for that move publicly. The Disciples of Christ have stated in a letter to Indiana's brain trust “…The recent passage in the state legislature of the RFRA bill is distressing to us. It is causing us to reconsider our decision to hold our 2017 gathering in Indianapolis.” The Disciples of Christ are against this law! If that's not a ringing testimony to how wrong this is, I don't know what qualifies.

There is, unfortunately, nothing those of us outside Indiana can do about this, other than to continually show our disgust at such things. Indiana is not the end of it. Virginia is now considering a similar law and I'm sure others will follow. Where does it end?

One can only hope
One can only hope

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      Jess McFarland 3 years ago from Berlin, Connecticut

      As promised, if the Indiana Legislature repaired or repealed this abomination, I would retract my statements in this article. I am a man of my word, but I'll let George Takei speak for me.

      https://www.facebook.com/georgehtakei/photos/a.737...

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      Jess McFarland 3 years ago from Berlin, Connecticut

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      Jess McFarland 3 years ago from Berlin, Connecticut

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      Jess McFarland 3 years ago from Berlin, Connecticut

      By the way, if Pence has truly backpedaled and answered the questions truthfully, why does the Mayor of Indianapolis feel it necessary to blast him (along with many other Indiana republicans) and vow to go against this law?

      http://www.occupydemocrats.com/watch-indianapolis-...

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      Jess McFarland 3 years ago from Berlin, Connecticut

      Firstly, I still haven't heard him answer unequivocally that this vile law was not meant to discriminate, so there will be no retraction. When they actually rewrite the law (which is what he said he would "ask" the state legislators to do) to say that there is to be no discrimination based on ANY lifestyle or race, creed etc, THEN, as I said in the first place, I will retract my statements and this post. The comments that both you and Chris made previous to this have been deleted because smearing anyone for any reason is not allowed here. In other words, it was done with no discrimination.

      Suppose you tell me exactly where the quote from my church came from. I'd like to see your unbiased source, because it would be very interesting to my priest and the gay and lesbian members of my church. Put up or shut up.

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      Cape Wind Girl 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Oh my...you've been labeled a self-hating Christian :-(

      Listen, I know first hand what Pence's Bible says:

      1. Abortion is wrong, unless my mentor's business partner needs to force his workers to have one.

      2. We love Netanyahu and all he stands for, even though Israel has free-of-charge abortions for women ages 20-33.

      in other words: The Church of Do as I say, not as I do.

      Pence, from talk radio to government......

      .....in that case.....Howard Stern for prez!

      edit: Whoa...now you're perverted!!

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      TSAD 3 years ago from https:// www.consumeraffairs.com/ online/ hubpages. html

      News conference was over when I commented here, so where is your retraction? and thank you for proving me right by not producing anything that refutes what I took right off their website, their position that homosexuality is amoral, and I quote again:

      "The Greek Orthodox Church remains faithful to the biblical and traditional norms regarding premarital sexual relations between men and women. The only appropriate and morally fitting place for the exercise of sexual relations, according to the teachings of the Greek Orthodox Church, is marriage. The moral teaching of the Church on this matter has been unchanging since its foundation. In sum, the sanctity of marriage is the cornerstone of sexual morality. The whole range of sexual activity outside marriage - fornication, adultery and homosexuality - are thus seen as not fitting and appropriate to the Christian way of life. Like the teaching on fornication, the teachings of the Church on these and similar issues have remained constant. Expressed in Scripture, the continuing Tradition of the Church, the writings of the Church Fathers, the Ecumenical Councils and the canons, these views have been restated by theologians, hierarchs and local Orthodox churches in our own day."

      Your statements are ludicrous from the Greek Orthodox point of view, and clearly demonstrate you have a perverted view of Christianity that definitely does not agree with any Greek Orthodox Church beliefs and starting with a lie like that certainly doesn't lend you any credibility on this issue and really has nothing to do at all with this law or Mike Pence.

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      Jess McFarland 3 years ago from Berlin, Connecticut

      It's simple. There is nothing in our Bible that states that homosexuality is against God's will. Do you think that it is peculiar to our times only? That is a very misinformed position. If God thought it was unnatural, don't you think it may have been in the Ten Commandments? And, please, unless you are actually a member of the Orthodox faith, don't quote websites to me. If you want to quote, read the Bible and get the full story. Websites, regardless of who publishes them, can be spun to read anything. Even this article can be spun anyway I wish it to, however, I am presenting factual information as it has been reported. If, at today's news conference, the Governor can plausibly answer the question of discrimination vs. religious freedom, I will be more than happy to post a retraction or remove it completely. But, I don't see that happening since he has been doing his best to avoid answering his detractors for the last few days.

      In the meantime, please continue to tell me what MY religion says AFTER you've read the only factual information about it in the Orthodox Bible.

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      TSAD 3 years ago from https:// www.consumeraffairs.com/ online/ hubpages. html

      I got that information straight from several, not one, Greek Orthodox websites. If your Greek Orthodox Church has a doctrine or belief anything like "all people are children of God and everyone has a lifestyle that they choose according to God's Commandments" which means they approve of homosexuality, please show it to me, or is it kept secret at your church as opposed to the Official Greek Orthodox doctrines which nowhere say anything like what you have said? I'd like to see what your Parish Council says about that. According to you, if they agree with you, you belong to a heretical parish based on the tenants of Greek Orthodox Christianity.

      I know you will not provide any credible link or person in authority from the Greek Orthodox Church who will support your statements because evidently I know more about what they believe from a simple Google search than you do practicing that religion. That just doesn't add up.

      And when one reads on about your rant it is obvious you have no respect for the truth, you have an agenda which is basically you hate Christians.

      Otherwise you would have included in your"Hub Page" Pence's side of this debate, the fact that the original federal law is more than 20 years old and that the purpose of the new Indiana one is to expand individual rights for those who feel government has impinged on their personal rights. The same federal law is in effect in 19 states and not one challenge of discrimination to it anywhere in the last 20 years has been won. The courts and the Supreme court in the Hobby Lobby case have all supported the intent of this law and it is plain absurd to say anyone involved in these laws had an agenda to discriminate against anyone.

      This is not about discrimination, this is about empowering people to confront government overreach. http://video.foxnews.com/v/4144297736001/gov-pence...

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      Jess McFarland 3 years ago from Berlin, Connecticut

      I take it this means you are also Greek Orthodox, which should remind you that the first Bible, the one that was written by the scholars and Christians of Christ's days is the true Bible. This is why it is called an Orthodox religion, just as Judaism has an Orthodox sect that use the original Torah in its teachings. You're correct in saying that it says nowhere that "all people are God's children". However, it does teach us that god is all forgiving and that Christ died for ALL of us on the cross. Unlike the "Bible" of the fundamentalist "Christians", it has not been changed for centuries to bend to anyone's specific needs. If you were to read both versions side by side, you might actually learn something about both religions.

      And for your information, not only am I a practicing Orthodox Christian, I am also the webmaster for my Church and a former member of the Parish Council. What part do you play in YOUR church?

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      TSAD 3 years ago from https:// www.consumeraffairs.com/ online/ hubpages. html

      Odd, I had a hard time getting past your first statement as a Christian, Greek Orthodox, "I believe, as does my religion, that all people are God's children, and everyone has a lifestyle that they choose according to God's Commandments. I don't recall any of the Ten Commandments saying "Thou shalt only live with a member of the opposite sex", and, as an altar boy umpteen years ago, I don't recall any passage in The Bible that states that. Not in the original Bible, anyway. Lord only knows what "perverted for my purposes" Bible these other morons read."

      Morons? Well I wonder who the moron is. The Greek Orthodox Christian religion nowhere declares "all people are God's children." Nor does any other denomination of true Christianity.

      From the Greek Orthodox Church: Children of God are "all who received him [Christ], who believed in his name." It is faith, this total adherence to the person of Christ, as revealed and expressed through his name, that makes of us 'children of God." The Johannine literature (the collection of New Testament works that are attached by tradition to the person of John the Apostle or to the Johannine Christianity. Johannine literature was traditionally considered to include: The Gospel of John. The First Epistle of John) seems to suggest this identity with the Christian community- that the terms "laos" (people) of God, "tekna Theou" (children of God) and "ethne" (nations), refer to all those who unite themselves into this new people by the death and resurrection of Christ the Messiah. The signs are that they are born of God and are "children of God," are believers in Jesus Christ and that they are "holy" and righteous.

      The Greek Orthodox Church remains faithful to the biblical and traditional norms regarding premarital sexual relations between men and women. The only appropriate and morally fitting place for the exercise of sexual relations, according to the teachings of the Greek Orthodox Church, is marriage. The moral teaching of the Church on this matter has been unchanging since its foundation. In sum, the sanctity of marriage is the cornerstone of sexual morality. The whole range of sexual activity outside marriage - fornication, adultery and homosexuality - are thus seen as not fitting and appropriate to the Christian way of life. Like the teaching on fornication, the teachings of the Church on these and similar issues have remained constant. Expressed in Scripture, the continuing Tradition of the Church, the writings of the Church Fathers, the Ecumenical Councils and the canons, these views have been restated by theologians, hierarchs and local Orthodox churches in our own day.

      If you are a Greek Orthodox Christian you need to reexamine our beliefs because you are dead wrong. My guess is you are not a practicing Orthodox Christian or you would not espouse views diametrically opposed to he doctrines of that Church.

      And if you start off dead wrong and actually lying about the scripture you claim to believe why should anyone give credence to your obviously misguided rants.

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      Dennis L. Page 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border

      Eventually the economic impact of Indiana's new law will be the catalyst to amend it. The governor is playing to his base and thankfully, the majority of Americans think his bill (pardon the pun) stinks to high heaven. There has been a groundswell of those on the far right who are attempting to roll back the positive and affirmative steps this country has made surrounding equality.

      I firmly believe that if a religion advocates exclusion and the shunning of others then it isn't really a religion. Instead, I would classify these zealots as being members of a cult. They seem to have lost sight of the "live and let live" philosophy

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      Jess McFarland 3 years ago from Berlin, Connecticut

      Superkev, my "forgetting" to mention Muslims is because this legislation, and all others, are brought on by "Chirstians", and, being an Orthodox Christian myself, it pertains to me and MY beliefs. Funny how, as is the usual case with those like you, you pick out something I forgot when you don't even have the balls to put up a profile picture of yourself.

      Also, if you had been able to read the entire post, you would see that Muslims (non-fundamentalist) ARE mentioned. But I suppose that would have given you a headache, all those words strung together.

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      Cape Wind Girl 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      "MOORE, Okla. – Scott Esk is running for House District 91 state representative.

      On his website, he says he is a conservative who wants to apply biblical principles to Oklahoma law."

      ****

      Sharia, anyone??

      “This guy posted on Facebook that homosexuals should be stoned to death. My first response was you’re nuts, nobody would be stupid enough to do that.”

      Morris says he found those postings from last summer on Facebook.

      At the time, Esk had commented on a story about the pope saying “Who am I to judge?” on homosexuality.

      Esk posted some old testament scripture that referred to homosexuality being punished.

      Someone asked – “So just to be clear, you think we should execute homosexuals (presumably by stoning)?”

      Esk responds – “I think we would be totally in the right to do it. That goes against some parts of libertarianism, I realize, and I’m largely libertarian, but ignoring as a nation things that are worthy of death is very remiss.”

      *****

      THIS is what the Tea Party has unleashed!--and everyone who votes for them can take blame.

      If you can't see what these people are all about: please open your eyes.

      And just BTW...Pence's mentor was Tom "The Hammer" Delay.

      That creep used OUR tax money to help a friend of his get a factory in Marianis Island, where the female employees were FORCED to get abortions should they become pregnant.

      THEN, he comes home with his pro-life bullarkey.

      It's all about suppressing women, suppressing gays, suppressing anyone who challenges their self-appointed power.

      Nothing to do with love for God whatsoever, IMO

      Trust me, if they were men of God--you'd know it.

      These are men of that other deity...the rotten one. IMO

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      Superkev 3 years ago

      First I am going to take it as a given that the Muslim population in Indiana feels the same way about the gay lifestyle as you say the Christian right does. Funny how you forgot to mention that.

      And second why such a big deal over Indiana when 19 other states have similar laws already? Is it because Mike Pence *may* run for president perhaps?

      "A federal RFRA signed by President Clinton in 1993 shares language with Indiana and other states' bills, prohibiting the government from "substantially burdening" individuals' exercise of religion unless it is for a "compelling government interest" and is doing so in the least restrictive means."

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/201...

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