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Men as Women See and Hear Them in 2019

Updated on June 12, 2019
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As a published novelist, blogger and SEO content writer, I grew up and worked constantly outnumbered by men.

Toxic Masculinity

TOXIC MASCULINITY ON THE RISE

It is easy to understand why some men today are labeled "Toxic Masculinity" by observant women.

The most vocal, most strident and militant in US society today are men who seem to have an ax to grind and their targets are women.

Recently, a 98% male jury in a Midwestern state gave a rapist the right to visitation of the child he forced his victim to bear when he impregnated her.

This is also the state that banned abortions at 6 weeks of pregnancy. That state is Alabama. Not one of the men considered that most women do not know for certain at 6 weeks if they are, in fact, pregnant.

So bascially, Alabama men are demanding women of child bearing age become pregnant whether they want to or not.

10 all white males in AL passed legislation shutting down all Planned Parenthood clinics, banned abortion at 6 weeks and forced parental rights of rapists on women who have been savagely and repeatedly raped.

REF: https://www.al.com/news/2019/06/in-alabama-rapists-have-parental-rights.html

Women know what this is REALLY about. Women, unlike men, possess the gift of a finely honed intuitive nature.

CHARACTERISTICS OF TOXIC MALES

There are several things women notice most about the Toxic Male. These include:

1. Bullying and the need to dominate

2. Attitudes that men are always more superior than women

3. Inability to ever admit they are wrong about anything

4. Refusal to accept that women are their equals in business, government and society in general.

5. The abject trait of hatred for the word "NO" unless it has an expectation of advantage

6. The need to take down any woman who attempts to compete with them by insults, degradation and outright distortions of her reputation

7. Straddling the fence where right and wrong are concerned

8. Bristling when they are outnumbered by women in social circles

9. Ignoring their own flaws in favor of deflecting and spotlighting flaws in women

10. Lack of attention to the words they choose to communicate

THE NEANDERTHAL TOXIC MASCULINITY

Back in the ancestral heritage of Neanderthal man, it is easier to see where the attitude of superiority began.

After all, hunting down T-Rex was a "Man's Job." and only Neanderthal males possessed the strength and bravery to bring home dinner for the women and children they left in the caves.

From the moment a man leaves the birth canal, the word "NO" is a thorn in his side. Breathes there a woman who has not raised children who will claim the word "NO" was not a reason for rebellion in sons more than daughters?

Mothers often are amused by the fact that when they tell a male toddler "maybe" the toddler hears that as a "NO!"

By school age, the male child has already worked out his strategies to turn "Maybe" and "NO" into the much preferred "Yes."

In high school, what teenage boy accepts rejection, a form of "NO" without going ballistic? This applies to girls and female teachers as well.

Oddly, they militarize well enough to obey their sports coaches on demand as if they were in basic training camp.

It is when these toxic males enter the business world that the wall of toxicity begins to build to epic proportions.

In business, toxic male stick together like gum on their shoes on the hottest day of summer when there is a woman they need to take down a few pegs to remind her of her inferiority and where her "place" is.

Women who observe men by microscoping them laugh when it is 2 toxic males about to go tooth to tooth for the same job title or upward rank. Cut throat strategies prevail like a pro CIA agent.

There are a few toxic males that know to keep overt man "power" attitudes in check. That doesn't mean they won't go syrupy sweet patronizing a woman which is intended to insult her intelligence.

A woman in business who is unwilling to obey like a handmaiden of the lords of the universe is called "feminazi," "tight butt," or worse.

If name calling has no effect, the toxic male knows all he has to do is fabricate distortions to her professional reputation. Just a casual hint or two about her morals and scruples does the trick.

FEMALE MATURITY HEIGHTENS AWARENESS

As women age though, they begin to have less and less patience for these toxic males and can become quite toxic themselves as a means of survival of the fittest.

A woman past age 60 knows not to waste time on childish toxic men whose only life goal is world power and world domination. A good book is much preferred to all that toxicity.

Today's women, younger and older alike, have a responsibility to ensure that the bad examples these toxic males set do not become an accepted mode of behavior for our kids. The hand that rocks the cradle must also be responsible to raise responsible, ethical children they will feel confident can succeed in society.

EDUCATED "POWER" WOMEN

Education has changed who women are in ways these toxic males never expected. Today's women are far more cognizant that men are not a necessity but rather, an accessory to their well planned and well established lives.

Thus, when toxic males try to impose their male domination on women and are met with instant rejection and resistance, the outcome is similar to a nuclear explosion.

Not all men are toxic. Just as not all women are feminazis, tight butts or worse. But, today's women have no intentions of always being No. 2 in society.

Responsible, educated women want an equal voice in society even when toxic males go through the strangest convenient deafness at the mere sound of a female voice.

Talented, skillful women will persist in their goals and continue to enjoy success with or without a man's help. Because we know we can. We know what is best for us better than any man.

In the end? It's really a man's choice to be fair and honest...but it won't be in a "Man's World."

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    • Ewent profile imageAUTHOR

      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 

      11 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      Women do not want men to call us toxic because we are insightful, intuitive and be made to burn at the stake by bully males.

      Let me give you are current situation that proves why some men will go to any lengths to make women look "toxic" and play their "Burn Witch Burn" BS.

      Back in 2016, Hillary Clinton, one of those highly intelligent, unusually insightful, intuitive women spoke to a crowd of coal miners in Kentucky.

      What she said and I quote was, "Coal mines are closing." But did these male ignorants hear what she REALLY was telling them?

      You bet not. All these male testicles heard was, "I" am closing your mines.Pathetic excuse for not voting for a female for president so the male testicles out there can do what Trump, Moscow Mitch and Leningrad Graham are doing...getting drunk on power.

      Never mind that Hillary had the knowledge and experience on several Senate Committees to know that mine closings were inevitable given the dwindling use of it and the fact that numerous coal mines were closing over the last decade.

      But no. Men always know more than women. This week on several news stations, there was news that miners in KY (Moscow Mitch, Putin's Bitch's state and Rand "Moocher state" Paul's) were PROTESTING the closing of 4 coal mines owned by their mining company.

      As reported, "Blackjewel LLC abruptly shut down all its mines July 1 and filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

      Partway through a shift, workers were told the bad news and sent home."

      In total four coal mines were shut down and workers received no pay.

      But there was that Queens scum Trump with a sign in his hand back in his 2016 Make America Great Again BS, that read: "Trump Digs Coal."

      Hillary told these miners in her campaign speech not to worry that she would provide alternate training for coal miners.

      Three years have passed. Did the world's greatest BS artist dig any coal? Or maybe he is too TOXIC to dig here in the US and is going to help his Russian lover, RASSPutin the MAD Russian reopen that failed Siberian coal mine?

      You are commie when you call women who are smarter than you will ever be "Toxic."

      All men like this prove is how truly insipid and vacuous they really are.

      Women have had enough of the bullying. Step aside boys. Let the ladies show you how it SHOULD be done. That's how ALL of you got here in the first place.

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      sweet80 

      11 months ago

      There are still 'toxic' men in the world? The older I become, the less of them I see. Today's boys are growing up in a different world. They are being raised by their mothers and they think nothing of doing 'women's work' by mopping floors, washing dishes, vacuuming and cooking AND cleaning up after cooking. The same men who are working their 'male' jobs. Maybe I live a sheltered life.

      A psychiatrist once said that 20 years ago his patients with unacceptable violence issues were male. Today they are female.

      It seems to me that there are more angry, 'toxic' females today than males.

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      Shannon Henry 

      12 months ago from Texas

      No. In fact, last time someone asked me if my husband was in jail (because that was apparently a rumor going around), he was sitting right beside me. He said that next time he goes to jail, it would be nice if someone notifies him first. Can't choose family, but I can and do choose my friends carefully. I don't mistake kindness for trustworthiness or kindness for friendship.

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      The Logician 

      12 months ago from now on

      Ain’t that that the truth Shannon!

      Or one of the moderators could be a cop posing as a moderator because he wants to keep your husband in prison, yeah that’s it. Oh, your husband isn’t in prison? Well that doesn’t make it any crazier, does it?

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      Shannon Henry 

      12 months ago from Texas

      I'm figuring these two probably went to spam for some reason. Oh well. I don't really care that much. Just thought it was strange. Kind of wondered if we can set our own spam filters now. HP is a weird creature sometimes. Just when you think you've figured it out, something changes.

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      Brad 

      12 months ago

      Shannon

      There are a number of reasons that cause lost comments. If I am writing a lengthy (the usual) comment, I write in on Word and it has a better editor and it also serves as a backup.

      Just a thought.

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      Shannon Henry 

      12 months ago from Texas

      I guess the hub has been changed to comments need to be approved first before they show up? I just posted one kinda lengthy one and another shorter version and both did not appear right away. Interesting. Good thing I was saying it ain't worth my time arguing.

      Oh, well hell....this one shows up and I can edit within that time frame? Where did the other ones mysteriously disappear to? Can we filter comments somehow now?

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      The Logician 

      12 months ago from now on

      By the way Brad you forgot to point out to our “Keep America Great Leslie”

      Edwards WAS IN POLITICS as a Senator, ran for VP long before HIS SCANDAL..... Trump was not in government or politics.

    • tsadjatko profile image

      The Logician 

      12 months ago from now on

      Like Will said

      “Normal women are simply not attracted to violent rapists and murderers. They are repulsed.”

      Of course you need an excuse for such abnormal behavior, he is innocent, exactly what everyone else behind bars says.

      Leslie~ “This whole country is based on discrimination, and hubpages is a great microcosm of the whole.”

      And you claim you don’t hate America?

      That’s not an accusation, you say it in any comment you have ever made about America.

      Yes Leslie, Will and I are cops who have nothing to do but read articles and comment on hub pages. It is all a ruse solely to give you the attention you crave. And you are not delusional.

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      The Logician 

      12 months ago from now on

      Will, to be fair I know a lot of conservatives who won’t watch movies of actors like Meryl Streep or Tom Cruise (at least not pay to see them) but didn’t care before they went public with their loony political views.

      I’m one.

      I won’t follow the loons on hub pages either but also, to be fair, I’ve never come across one on hub pages who wrote anything that tickled my fancy and I’ve read a lot of them. I’m not a fan of fiction though either. I prefer to read reality rather than other people's fantasies, not that there is anything wrong with fiction, I’m sure I miss out on good entertainment but I’m not so interested in being entertained.

      However that is amazing you lost that many followers in one day!

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      Leslie McCowen 

      12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Shannon, surely you cannot read comments directed at me and say they are criticizing my opinions and not attacking me.

      I mean, what does accusing me of hating America have to do with my opinion on religion?

      You think women are hysterical?

      And how come people can insult me and not be accused of hate, but when I insult trump or your religion, it’s automatically hate?

      Have I said Paula was the daughter of Satan? Have I said you were possesed by demons?

      Have I insulted your husband, called your love for him some kind of ridiculous mental disorder?

      Have I called you a liar? In fact, what personal insult have I made at all?

      You people have a hard time distinguishing what is a personal attack. If I insult Trump, or Christianity, that is not personal.

      When people call me stupid, delusional, hate America, demon possessed, liar......that is personal.

      And this clique of so called Christian right wingers gets away with it all the time.

      “Did you know she actually met Chris originally thru her daughters (who have had numerous abortions among them).......”

      This is a lie. None of my daughters have had abortions. One had 2 ectopic pregnancies, which ended in miscarriage, the other had to have an ovary removed, can never get pregnant.....

      In fact, because my daughter refused to have abortions, I have raised her 2 boys. My family is practicing what you all preach. What have you done?

      So, why do you lie about my daughters? Libelously, I will add.

      Oh we all know. To slander me and ruin my reputation, that’s why.

      And I am eternally grateful to Chris. He once saved my daughter from being raped.

      And myself, who has been raped.....you cannot understand the depths of that gratitude.

      And can never understand the swiftness with which I ran to marry a rapist and murderer....because I enjoyed being raped SO much, I just had to relive it. Derp

      Yes, that’s how stupid, delusional, weak, and oh yeah, self hating, along with America hating I am.

      There......does that made you all feel warm and fuzzy? Happy to be alive?

      So glad I could help....all of hubpages LIVES to cater to you.

      So now, t and Starr.....time to come clean. What do you have to do with my husbands arrest and framing for this murder?

      And why would you protect a person or persons who did the crime? You do know, one of the guys’ uncle says it was a gvt sponsored hit. Says Christa was going to write an expose. Said she was scared, and wanted to put cameras in her house. You know her father is an ex assistant da, connected to a much younger heroine addicted cops daughter, right? Of course you do. So who are you, and what do you have to do with this?

      I joined here in 2010......when did you?

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      Shannon Henry 

      12 months ago from Texas

      That's a shame, Will.

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      WillStarr 

      12 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      I write fiction for HubPages Shannon Henry, and was voted best fiction writer twice by the other HubPages writers. I had lots of followers until one day I wrote a fairly innocuous non-fiction political opinion piece. In one day, I lost almost a quarter of my followers, and they were all liberals.

      There is no tolerance amongst the 'tolerant' left.

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      Shannon Henry 

      12 months ago from Texas

      So I've heard. it's hard to be empathetic to insulting me yet again for the company I keep without even knowing me in the slightest first. You'd think I hung out with a bunch of law-breakers or something. I generally don't choose my friends based on their political opinion, anyway.

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      The Logician 

      12 months ago from now on

      Shanon, let me tell you I felt the same when I first met Leslie, 6 or 7 years ago?

      I can tell you, with her, any kind of empathy is misplaced, she doesn’t deserve it. She disgusts me.

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      Brad 

      12 months ago

      T

      Will do, thanks.

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      The Logician 

      12 months ago from now on

      You? brad

      Nothin wrong with you, keep doin what you do! :-)

      Your meticulous attention to detail is refreshing and tedious annoyance to liars and distorters.

      I’ve come to the realization that as soon as they return your, our, comments with attempts to demean us, the messengers, we’ve won the debate.

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      Shannon Henry 

      12 months ago from Texas

      LOL. Not always, T! I do, however, tend to look at even arguments from other perspectives than my own. There are some things Leslie says that I can say, "Okay, to each their own," and have no criticisms for her. I could even feel bad for her feeling attacked and bullied. In fact, I do still in a way that is more pity now. I mean, we've all felt like that at some time or more in our life. It's true - people can be mean as hell. Sometimes for no good reason and sometimes they just take things too far. But she keeps yelling at people and hasn't even stepped back to consider even what people have said with respect. So I came across those couple of paragraphs today and thought I'd share them here. Of course, coming back here I found that she insulted me for my choice of friends and I couldn't let that slide.

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      Brad 

      12 months ago

      T

      What is your suggestion for me?

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      The Logician 

      12 months ago from now on

      Brad you just demonstrated how incoherent Leslie’s every thought is.

      But she is thrilled you care enough to give attention to her insanities.

      That is why she says what she says, it is the only way she can get attention and she is an attention-holic.

      Did you know she actually met Chris originally thru her daughters (who have had numerous abortions among them).......Chris....was their "friend" (why would an older black GARBAGEMAN who did a lot of drugs, IN CAPE COD be hanging with her daughters??)

      So this is how she originally met him.......this whole thing is sicker than you can imagine.....she has no problem....MARRYING A MAN, AN ADULTERER, HER DAUGHTERS DATED....or whatever it was they did with him.

      DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT JERRY SPRINGER WOULD PAY FOR THIS TALE????

      And she has the gall to say the word "morals?".....degrade Trump for an off-color, off-hand crude remark, privately to another man??

      I’m only putting this out there because this is a woman who craves attention in anyway she can get it, playing the victim, slandering good people, expressing hatred for America and everything that is good about it, playing the race card and every other card in the left wing deck of hatred and despite the fact that no sane person wants to have anything to do with her and her psychoses she continually trolls hub pages looking for whose intelligence she can insult with her assaults on everything good, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness!

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      The Logician 

      12 months ago from now on

      Shannon keep telling it like it is, obviously you are the adult in any conversation!

      But no sense in telling Leslie. If she even reads your comment it will go in her head, not even bounce around and come out as something unrecognizable in relation to what went in.

      Just watch and listen.

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      Shannon Henry 

      12 months ago from Texas

      I have not entered into this conversation to address your moral code, mine, or anyone else's. When I say don't poke the bear, it has nothing to do with morals. It has nothing to do with your initial opinions about the hub article. It's an analogy, obviously. And it's not just applicable to Paula. If you go on challenging people the way that you do, twisting their words in the process, people will either push back or ignore you completely. I told you earlier what I tell my children. If you don't like me because I like someone you don't, I don't give a damn. Nor do I give a damn about what you expect from me. As the quote goes, "for you to insult me I must first value your opinion" and I certainly do not value your opinion because I do not know you.

      I have not been unkind or disrespectful to you, but even I get snappy if I'm pushed too far or provoked. Don't insult me for my choice of friends just because you don't like her. Clearly, that feeling is mutual. But just because the two of you don't get along, that doesn't mean that I have to choose sides, assuming I felt the need to do so in the first place. I did not. If I did, however, Paula spent countless hours outside of HP being supportive when I needed a shoulder to cry on and an ear to vent to. . . and trust me, it wasn't because she agreed with everything I had to say. Why would I want to intentionally throw that kind of friendship away just because you're morally offended? You thank me for being kind when I leave my honest thoughts on your hub, but then attempt to insult me too based on my choice of friends. Classy of you.

      I had every intention of being done here twice now.....and then I found this. It is literally straight out of a textbook, Leslie. Read it. Again, literally straight out of a college textbook. Save this since you're saving things!

      "Critical thinking is the ability and willingness to assess claims and make objective judgments on the basis of well-supported reasons and evidence rather than emotion or anecdote. Critical thinkers are able to look for flaws in arguments and to resist claims that have no support. THEY REALIZE THAT CRITICIZING AN ARGUMENT IS NOT THE SAME THING AS CRITICIZING THE PERSON MAKING IT. Critical thinking, however, is not merely negative thinking. It includes the ability to be creative and constructive---the ability to come up with alternative explanations for events, think of implications of research findings, and apply new knowledge to social and personal problems. Critical thinking is indispensable in ordinary life. Without it, people cannot formulate a rational argument or see through misleading ads that play on their emotions. They may have trouble assessing a political proposal or candidate, deciding whether or when to have children, or making medical decisions.

      Most people know that you have to exercise the body to keep it in shape, but they may not realize that clear thinking also requires effort and practice. All around us, we can see examples of flabby thinking. Sometimes people justify their mental laziness by proudly telling you they are open-minded. Many scientists have observed that it is good to be open-minded, BUT OPEN-MINDEDNESS DOES NOT MEAN THAT ALL OPINIONS ARE CREATED EQUAL AND THAT EVERYBODY'S BELIEFS ARE AS GOOD AS ANYONE ELSE'S. On matters of personal preference, that is true; if you prefer the look of a Chevy truck to the look of a Honda Accord, no one can argue with you. But if you say, "The Chevy truck is more reliable than a Honda and gets better mileage besides," you have uttered more than mere opinion. Now you have to support your belief with evidence of the car's reliability, mileage, and safety record. And if you say, "Chevy trucks are the best in the world and Honda's do not exist; they are a conspiracy of the Japanese government," you forfeit the right to have your opinion taken seriously. YOUR OPINION, IF IT IGNORES REALITY, IS NOT EQUAL TO ANY OTHER. "

      Which, by the way, is the problem we all have with the premise of this hub, too.

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      Brad 

      12 months ago

      Leslie

      "John Edwards was running for president, just like Trump. His was charged with covering up an affair to get elected .

      Same as trump.

      B:

      That is not the same as Trump because like Bill Clinton there was proof and you compare the things that Edwards did to his wife with Trump. NO it is totally different.

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      "Trump broke campaign finance law. His lawyer is serving time for it"

      B:

      Prove it! Trump didn't break any law?

      -----------------------------------.

      Doesn’t that mean anything to you?

      B:

      Why should it, I have already explained it, don't you understand it?

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      He won’t release his tax returns, won’t let people in our gvt go before the House, yet he’s innocent?

      B:

      What is he supposed to be not innocent of in relation to his tax returns?

      What did he do? What has he been indicted on? Nothing!

      Yet, you will claim Chris is innocent after due process and being found guilty, while you accuse president Trump of crimes that he hasn't committed or even indicted.

      One rule for you and another for Trump?

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      Please.

      Clinton was grilled by Repubs under oathe.

      B:

      Which Clinton? What grilling?

      You keep jumping out of the box and talking in random connection of words?

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      Time for trump to do the same, only by the Dems.

      B:

      For what?

      Again, connecting words together doesn't make a coherent thought.

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      Hope hicks lawyer objected to every question. Could not speak of her time at White House....why, if it’s all so innocent?

      B:

      ??

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      This is our gvt, not trump inc, not repub central.

      b:

      Your government convicted Chris following an arrest, a trial by jury, and a finding by the jury of Guilty as charged.

      Whose government are you taking about, you don't support the government of the United States of America.

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      And certainly not a safe space for a mobbed up crook.

      B:

      Again, you circumvent due process and the US Constitution making these ridiculous baseless accusations. That also makes your commentary vague, ambiguous and without any reference.

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      Equality. Let him face the American people, like Bill and Hillary did."

      B:

      Unlike Bill and Hillary he didn't do anything. When did they face the American people. All your comments look like this one, which is at best a rant, at worse signs of emotional distress.

      5 investigations on Trump and zero evidence,

      B:

      I gave you the information on Edwards and you ignore it. Do I have to do it for Bill and Hillary again?

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      Leslie McCowen 

      12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Hell no! Bill Clinton was elected, wasn’t he? Didn’t stop any of the 8 years of investigations.

      Man up, and take it like you dish it out.

      Trump can go before congress, like both Hilary and bill. What is he, scared? Big tuff guy, huh?

      And no, I consider trump illegitimate. Stolen election for a criminal asset.

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      WillStarr 

      12 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Was Trump legitimately elected President, Leslie? If the answer is yes, shouldn't the angry Democrats just accept that and serve the people instead of constantly attacking our President?

      That's why Democrats want to root through Trump's tax returns and grill his people. They want to find something, anything, to further attack him.

      The Democrat Party is a national disgrace.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      John Edwards was running for president, just like Trump. His was charged with covering up an affair to get elected .

      Same as trump.

      Trump broke campaign finance law. His lawyer is serving time for it.

      Doesn’t that mean anything to you?

      He won’t release his tax returns, won’t let people in our gvt go before the House, yet he’s innocent?

      Please.

      Clinton was grilled by Repubs under oathe.

      Time for trump to do the same, only by the Dems.

      Hope hicks lawyer objected to every question. Could not speak of her time at White House....why, if it’s all so innocent?

      This is our gvt, not trump inc, not repub central.

      And certainly not a safe space for a mobbed up crook.

      Equality. Let him face the American people, like Bill and Hillary did.

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      The Logician 

      12 months ago from now on

      “Normal women are simply not attracted to violent rapists and murderers. They are repulsed.”

      Well Will, I was just trying to be kind...

      Leslie “This whole country is based on discrimination, and hubpages is a great microcosm of the whole.”

      And you claim you don’t hate America?

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      Brad 

      12 months ago

      Leslie

      "Trump paid off a mistress so you would vote for him. John Edwards went to trial for that."

      B:

      How many times do I have to explain the difference?

      1. John Edwards was already in politics and as the link shows he cheated on his wife and had a child with Hunter. You should really be his champion as his wife had breast cancer and he left her for his campaign aide.

      https://abcnews.go.com/politics/john-edwards-mistr...

      2. If you are talking about Storm, then that was allegedly in 2009 and Trump was a private citizen. It has never been proven unlike Edwards and Bill Clinton. The fact that Storm's allegation on Trump happen during the campaign, it could be construed as blackmail. She waited 7 years? Celebrities and famous people will payoff these kinds of allegations rather than risk the notoriety whether they are true or not true. It is just a business decision.

      Finally, president Trump has not done or been accused of these kinds of accusations.

      Please stop making these wild accusations. We know you hate Trump and his supporters, but don't continue to lie for it.

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      Wesman Todd Shaw 

      12 months ago from Kaufman, Texas

      Of course Leslie is kidding. You can not possibly expect to publish screaming delusional hatred and expect complimentary comments.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      See? Hubpages doesn’t allow personal insults, and those who use them are banned......

      Unless you’re in the clique.

      Case closed.

      Please be advised I’m saving all of this. Some day, someone can compare it to my “you have no credibility with me, either” 90 day ban, and wonder at the discrimination.

      Trump paid off a mistress so you would vote for him. John Edwards went to trial for that.

      Clinton’s friend went to jail for refusing to lie about him.

      Hope Hicks thumbed her nose at congress and goes home.

      This whole country is based on discrimination, and hubpages is a great microcosm of the whole.

      Thanks for exposing the rot.....

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      WillStarr 

      12 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      True, we really don't know the exact motive, T, but whatever the motive, it's the work of a sick mind. Normal women are simply not attracted to violent rapists and murderers. They are repulsed.

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      The Logician 

      12 months ago from now on

      Hybristophilia

      Will I have to offer some possible benefit of doubt in Leslie’s situation.

      To be clear, it’s only hybristophilia if the non-criminal party is actually aroused by the idea of the criminal, Chris, committing a murder or similar — just writing a letter to a prisoner or keeping in contact with someone you already know doesn’t count.

      It’s impossible for us to know if Leslie is actually aroused by the idea of the criminal committing a murder. She says she hasn’t had sex with him and although that doesn’t mean she isn’t aroused by the thought there is no way for you to know that she is.

      So we have to give her the benefit of doubt on hybristophilia and just be resigned to the fact she is a deluded, psychotic, pathological hate filled liar subject to multiple obsessions and perversions of human reasoning. All that is in evidence but hybristophilia? Not quite there yet...unless you know something we don’t?

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      Brad 

      12 months ago

      AB

      It is as close as we can come to perpetual ignorance from the left. The left is above the law, above the constitution, above morality, and nothing is OK if it is about president Trump and conversely nothing is wrong as long as it is done by the left.

      They keep saying that we need one law for everyone, but that law is their law.

      Leslie only believes in the presumption of innocence when it suits her.

      She goes even further by challenging the verdict of guilty because she thinks the defendant is innocent. But when it comes to president Trump she calls him guilty of everything he does, says, or even thinks about doing.

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      WillStarr 

      12 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Leslie stands on the cold, raped and murdered body of Christa Worthington to chide the rest of us on morality?

      Taking up the case of Chris McCowen was one thing, Leslie, but a woman who seeks out and marries a convicted rapist and murderer in prison has no business lecturing anyone on morality.

      And I don't want to hear you whining that you 'fell in love'. Only very sick women do what you did. Women seeking out and marrying convicted rapists and murderers in prison is a known form of insanity. It's called Hybristophilia.

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      A B Williams 

      12 months ago from Central Florida

      Brad, I've gone over this with Love, more than once, but she refuses to note the many differences and continues to bring it up over and over, every chance she gets. It's useless to try.

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      Brad 

      12 months ago

      Leslie

      Talking in a private conversation in 2005 is not an action, it is words And it was Trump a private citizen not the president of the US. You have to go back that far because Trump did no actions as president.

      And even in the conversation there was no mention of doing anything against their will.

      Bill Clinton had a trail of action as Governor and then as a two term president. I guess your moral ground is using the Oval Office as a cheap motel for Clinton. Oh by the way, this was a factual event that was action.

      And what high moral ground is there for Biden?

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      Leslie McCowen 

      12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Dont need it spelled out, lady. I get it loud and clear. We all do.

      “You can do anything.....grab em by the p*ssy”

      Is fine for all of you. But you hold the moral high ground, and I am scum.

      We get it.

      Hopefully, hubpages will stop kissing up to it.

      It’s morally offensive.

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      Shannon Henry 

      12 months ago from Texas

      Just in case ya'll wondered, I meant mauled! Perhaps the bear is mulling it all over, too. Who knows. Oh well. Have a laugh at my expense. Lord knows, I do it quite often.

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      Suzie 

      12 months ago from Carson City

      Shan & T.....Here's a Mad Lib for you to play with! Don't say I never gave you anything.

      She's an utter waste of my precious time and brain power. I'll not waste another second on her double standard, scum behavior.

      Talk to you later, guys.

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      Suzie 

      12 months ago from Carson City

      Seems to me, Man-hater Eleanor oughtta be deleting this entire page real soon!

      I spoke to the office. They're lovin it!”

      Get a handle on that paranoia...and learn not to rant when you don't know what the HELL you're ranting about. The "OFFICE" I'm referring to, big mouth, is MY office, where the staff follows me on HP now & then! and LIKE I SAID....."Eleanor oughtta be deleting her page any time now."....That's my opinion of what she'll probably do. YOU are an absolute mistake waiting to happen. You call it derogatory maligning......but it's merely telling it like it is. Get some sleep girl!

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      Shannon Henry 

      12 months ago from Texas

      Ok. Whatever. If you need it spelled out for you, I don't have time right now.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Uh huh. But I’m banned and she’s still there. Just like children one is the black sheep, the other the golden child who can do no wrong.

      And I’d like to know how I poked the bear by responding to Eleanor’s hub?

      If you excuse Paula’s derogatory maligning, I just expect you to excuse others as well. On principle!

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      Shannon Henry 

      12 months ago from Texas

      See my last comment, Leslie. There's your answer. I don't have to approve of everything Paula or anyone else says or does. I am me. Paula is Paula, and she'll do or say whatever she wants to - just as you will.

      This is the way I look at this entire squabble.....I have taught my children that they don't have to like everyone their friends like. Their friends are free to like people they don't like. And if someone can't be their friend because they like someone they do not like....well, then that person wasn't their friend to begin with. Even my youngest child can understand that concept. If you don't approve of her behavior toward you then quit provoking her "on principle."

      And remember this - it takes two to argue.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      “Just stating my personal opinion. I would think it would take personal threats or excessive expletives to receive a permanent banning, but that's not my department.”

      No, it was excessive threads about Israel, and my opinion on it.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Mz Paula: you, 2 days ago:

      “Seems to me, Man-hater Eleanor oughtta be deleting this entire page real soon!

      I spoke to the office. They're lovin it!”

      And why would you say Jake is not long for this place? You working on removing him, too?

      Will gets to threaten to shoot people...I mean wtf.

      And it was you and PhoenixV who were laughing about sending AP on a vacation.(banning him) I believe you said he should go take his meds. As is the standard personal insult from you god people.

      And I’m curious Shannon, if you approve of Paula’s derogatory and inflammatory language? Or is it ok for her, while others get a 90 day ban?

      Do you think she treats people with respect?

      I hear sharlee was “warned” to behave. How come she doesn’t get an automatic ban like everyone else? It was she I reported for calling someone stupid and a sicko.

      She was not banned, while I was removed from reporting.

      If that doesnt tell you something, nothing will.

      Ahorseback was a lib hater in the extreme. And, he was suspect because he hated trump at first, then made a 360 turn around.....$$$$$$ or what?

      Same as colorfulone, who was pushing Russian military propaganda!

      Hated trump, then became his biggest supporter.

      Nope. There is something going on here that stinks. And it’s smelling up the whole place.

      You a cop, t? It’s not that hard a question.

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      Shannon Henry 

      12 months ago from Texas

      Poke the bear, you're gonna get mulled. Principle or not, accidentally or purposely......you push and you'll probably be shoved. It's human nature. Relationships get ruined this way and complete strangers make enemies that way. I couldn't care less about who squabbles with whom on HP. And I don't know the others mentioned, I personally never saw Ed make a rude or disrespectful comment to anyone so that news surprised me.

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      The Logician 

      12 months ago from now on

      Alternative Prime got banned?

      Omg, is there hope for HP moderators after all?

      Ahorseback too! Oh I see.

      Odds are the HP gods needed a sacrifice so they took one good hubber and one bad hubber. I think I noticed that usually happens on the season solstices.

      Jake’s up next for sure, i’ll offer myself up for sacrifice if it will make them ban Jake.

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      Suzie 

      12 months ago from Carson City

      Mz McCowan....You wonder why you have such a bad reputation as the biggest LIAR on this site...(Like your idol, Scumbag Hillary)....Because you don't know how to READ but you sure can flap that mouth of yours. "Paula" did NOT try to get this article taken down!" Check the comments, Lady!! I SAID.....I wouldn't be surprised if Eleanor deleted it! Get the friggan story straight. Have a problem with your ABC's?? Had I wanted it down...it would be DOWN.

      Yes, Shan, horseback (Ed) was banned.....terrible, I know. We also know who's responsible for that. Don't even know who Phoenix is...don't care.

      Thanks to Leslie...this is going to be a great day! I just found out now about Alternative Prime being banned! The 100% pure, unadulterated Psycho. I always thought he and Jake were one in the same person, because they're both sure candidates for padded-cell lock-up rooms in our facility. But, if Jake is still here, I guess they're not the same idiot. Not to worry, Jake's not long for this place. Leslie should stay really because she's great entertainment. She wants to know WHO deletes comments....See? she does not know how to follow a thread and read properly! Leslie your new BFF, Eleanor deleted Roberta's comment, one of the first few she got here.....because she didn't LIKE what Roberta said. Oh, she deleted her comment but THEN, she posted a response to it!!! LMAO. You 2 have so much in common. She writes to herself too! You make a lovely couple. Here's wishing you years of bliss!

      I strongly suggest you never attach MY NAME to any of your ignorant lies. No joke, Lady SerialLiar. Your utter crap is getting much too old!

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      Shannon Henry 

      12 months ago from Texas

      It's really pretty simple here, I've found. Treat most people with respect and you will be treated with respect. Respect does not necessarily mean agreement. No, I'm not new here.

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      A B Williams 

      12 months ago from Central Florida

      Just stating my personal opinion. I would think it would take personal threats or excessive expletives to receive a permanent banning, but that's not my department. I've yet to figure out why my personal score dropped 50 points in the course of a day and has never gone back up. Was I "reported", for having a differing opinion? Perhaps. I never get a direct response when I ask the question....we all have our crosses to bear.

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      Shannon Henry 

      12 months ago from Texas

      ahorseback got banned? Why??? Ed was always sweet and encouraging to me. He used to write some really good poetry too.

      All this drama is why I usually avoid political articles. They can turn nasty all too quickly. But Angie is right about not being in.a rush to delete opposing views.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Great. Why don’t you tell your compadres that? Paula tried to get this hub taken down. I’m banned from forums for life....who is deleting opposing views?!?

      I will add ahorseback was banned. Phoenix was banned and I don’t know what happened to TM mason....

      But i saw 2 of your crew laughing about getting Alternative Prime banned. And I see many want to remove Jake.

      And those who say “people are affecting my income”....what? This is not your hubpages!

      So, if you truly believe people have the right to an opinion, talk to your own crew.

      I am living proof of their desire to censor those they don’t like. Hate, I will say really. You don’t say someone is demon possessed without having hatred for them.

      Gotta go

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      A B Williams 

      12 months ago from Central Florida

      You see it as "targeted" Love, I see it as dialogue.

      I did not enter into this thread to target you or to target El. I entered in, because I've written on this subject, I have an opinion on this subject. My opinion is much different than yours and Eleanor's. Expressing one's opinion should be allowed without threats of "getting reported". Discussion should be allowed to take its course, without the rush to delete an opposing view. It's not complicated!

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      Leslie McCowen 

      12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      If you are new here Shannon, you will never understand. You just have to believe me, or don’t.

      There are people who get targeted harassment here, in order to shut them up.

      There are others who can say whatever they like, and never suffer any consequences.

      I just want to know why.

      I’m a member here, like anyone else. A loyal member. I’m not just letting this devious crap go unattended.

      And it does get very nasty.....but that takes two.

      Believe it, or don’t. To me, its a matter of principle.

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      Shannon Henry 

      12 months ago from Texas

      Actually, Eleanor attempted to insult me. I don't know what clique you're talking about. I've stated that I follow only two people here, at least as of today. I only started talking to you, to begin with, because you are so vocal here that I confused you with the author.

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      Shannon Henry 

      12 months ago from Texas

      Okay....back from satisfying some curiosity.....Leslie, the first thing I did was look to see who is following you. Of the people that I follow who follow you, it's totally absurd to think that they would be criticized simply for "associating" with you. Second, I read some of your poetry. . .and I actually enjoyed it. You know, I kind of feel bad for you in the sort of way that does acknowledge we're all humans who can hurt and feel deep pain. . .but what good would my pity do you?

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      Leslie McCowen 

      12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Still no answer, I see t. So, you are captain, or Sargent?

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      Leslie McCowen 

      12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      You have it backwards.

      I came to Eleanor’s hub, responding to and agreeing with her!

      Then, this clique of rightwingers came here to disrupt and insult

      not only Eleanor, but myself.

      You should be asking them why they came to a hub to insult and attack the author.

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      Shannon Henry 

      12 months ago from Texas

      Leslie, just saw your comment.....Let me assure you that I have no intention of bullying you or anyone else. Can't speak for the rest of anyone here, but they seem to be saying the same thing. I can say that whenever I've had people say something nasty on one of my hubs or attempt to draw me into a losing argument meant to insult, I usually just tell them something like "to each their own" and allow them their own opinion. It's very rare that someone I don't care about, let alone a total stranger I've never talked to before, can upset me that much. Someone asked you earlier, why are you here arguing with people that you deem to be so negative toward you? Seems to me there would be no love loss on either side if you didn't speak to one another.

      Okay, Paula, curiosity is getting the better of me now. . .

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      The Logician 

      12 months ago from now on

      Leslie all you do is talk about how everywhere you go people reject you...did it ever occur to you maybe you are the problem and not them? They ruined your reputation?

      Just what was your reputation before “they” ruined it?

      Really I want to hear this, what was your reputation, an honest, kind hearted, articulate truth seeker?

      And what ruined it?

      Is demonstrating you routinely lie and distort the truth, express hatred for all the targets of left wing propaganda, your advocacy of abortion, romance with a convicted murderer while accusing the President of things not even near as disgusting as that, making ludicrous accusations of anyone who criticizes you, are all these things what ruined your reputation?

      Or have all these things always been your reputation? I think, possibly, well just maybe, odds are, the latter.

      But please explain how that is wrong.

      Oh wait, before you do that I, being a cop am required to mirandize you. Yeah, you nailed it with another ludicrous accusation.

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      Shannon Henry 

      12 months ago from Texas

      Paula, I'm gonna send you a picture you just reminded me of.

      I don't know who George Carlin is, but from a personal perspective. . .why the hell would I want to have sex with any man who would want to ignore a responsibility he had a hand in creating if I were to end up pregnant. I mean, women know when they consent to sex that there is a chance for a resulting pregnancy. So maybe they should think about their body, their choice before consenting. We all know that contraception can fail.

      Of course, I've probably offended a certain few here with my thoughts. And I'm aware that things like rape and medical emergencies can and do happen. But that's a pathetic excuse for justifying murder on a large scale. In my opinion, anyway.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Yes. The group you are so enamored with has made it a point to ruin my reputation here.

      Back when we could vote down hubs, they always did.

      When we had q and a, they always voted down my answers there.

      If I showed up on a hub comments, they would insult the Hubber for associating with me.

      And they had me banned for 3 months once for saying “you have no credibility with me, either”

      Then there are the ones who joined years after I did who tell me to leave, I dont belong here.

      And I always wondered why.....it’s not like there arent other points of view like mine here.

      There is an ulterior motive.

      T and Starr, are you cops?

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      Suzie 

      12 months ago from Carson City

      I wish everyone could see the darling Mama Duck and her cute waddling babies, wandering around my yard. I went out early this a.m. and left some bread out there for Mama.....the babies are eating it too. BTW......she made a nest and laid her eggs on the roof of my shed!! I was really shocked......could she have done that to be safe from the coyotes?

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      The Logician 

      12 months ago from now on

      I think that’s what you call a freudian slip and as that she meant it, she knows it, she’s proud of it.

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      Suzie 

      12 months ago from Carson City

      I know We read it correctly. Clearly, it seems Leslie didn't mean to write it that way. But that would NOT be the first time she said something utterly stupid. Basically, she admitted that it's considered a "SMEAR" to be associated with her. OK...whatever she says. No argument from me!

      I don't know however, what bully she's referring to who used that "allegedly OLD tactic." I don't give a rat's ass who associates with either one of them.

      I do LOVE George Carlin...a comedic Genius (Rest his soul) Funniest man on the planet. I will watch his videos over & over, especially if I want to cheer up!

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      The Logician 

      12 months ago from now on

      Leslie knows associating anyone with her is a smear on them? She said it, not me!

      Well that’s progress, keep thinking that way Leslie and you may see you need to change.

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      Shannon Henry 

      12 months ago from Texas

      Will, I hadn't thought of it like that, but perhaps you're right. Maybe not. I said I have liberal friends, and I do, but the kinds of people I tend to interact most with are those who ask questions for the purpose of seeing different points of view. That includes my liberal friends.They appreciate the opinions of others.

      Leslie, did you just insult yourself? Is there something about you that would smear her name simply by association with you? I don't know either one of you. I haven't looked at your links because your comments don't have much to do with the topic of this hub.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Here are some toxic males....trump supporters, of course. Gives credence to what George Carlin said, “How come people who are anti abortion are people you wouldn’t want to have sex with anyway?”

      https://twitter.com/PhilipinDC/status/114106784390...

      Lolololol! THATS how people see conservatives, Will.

      Especially those who never answer questions and just avoid what they don’t want to discuss.

      And the pathetics, who seek to smear Eleanor by associating her with me. That bully tactic is old. Get a new one.

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      WillStarr 

      12 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      "Believe it or not, I was actually taught to think critically from an early age."

      To me, critical thinking is the main difference between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives tend to look at all sides of a topic while liberals seem to view everything through the myopic lens of emotions. I've lost track of the times liberals have accused me of 'not caring' about the latest silly outrage. Conservatives ask what someone thinks about a topic while liberals ask how they feel about that same topic.

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      Shannon Henry 

      13 months ago from Texas

      You preach, Eleanor, but who exactly are these "others" you speak of? I'm not even speaking on any political level, but you couldn't possibly comprehend how many liberal friends I have. I told you, I grew up with diversity and tolerance. Believe it or not, I was actually taught to think critically from an early age. Imagine that, an education system that teaches kids to think for themselves no matter what gender or race they are. And college, well, that's just further critical thinking. What say you try it? Look around. Observe your world. Really read the comments and opinions people have offered you and THINK. Your theory has so many holes, it can't hold water. Stop ignoring the open and honest thoughts you have been given if that's your true goal.

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      Brad 

      13 months ago

      Eleanore

      Who appointed you to tell women about men and dictate what they should choose?

      Your article and your comments seem to have a foundation in failure with the men in Your life.

      There is one quandary? Is this a question of equality or of democrat social re-engineering. Not satisfied with corrupting classical marriage, you now want to disrupt male female relationships.

      Yet, women are still using their gender with beauty contests. Why should they still exist under the concepts of your article?

      Finally, you are attempting to put all Men and All women in a box, and not in the same box. Yet, equality seems to be your reason. The fact is that Male and Female cannot by design be equal. Men and women have different emotions, and they have different hormones. The common ground for men and women was love and marriage but the government took control of marriage and passed the no fault divorce. That made marriage unstable, but the point is that when government gets involved in people and their direction, it is a recipe for failure.

      People are not animals, but that is what you and the government want to do to keep them in line with your views. Government should protect people male and female against the criminals in the world. Apart from that they shouldn't tell people how to live or think.

      As for you vocabulary and disrespect for men, especially the president, it is wrong, and childish. President Trump is not your equal, he represents the office of the president of the US.

      You probably voted for Hillary for president simply because she is a woman. And while you say you don't hate president Trump, it doesn't fit with your actions.

      As for education, it doesn't really make people smarter, it just makes them educated. Core values, street smart and other everyday living skills are acquired or taught in different ways.

      In fact, most educators in CA and most likely in the country preach the liberal life. That is not education, that is indoctrination.

      .

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 

      13 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      I realize that for some individuals, a conscience is not important nor is open and honest dialogue for the fighter boys with the clenched fists ready to chew up yon fair maidens errant in their bedroom duties.

      In these times, we are seeing more and more ways men in particular but also the women who suck up to them being unable to look in the mirror and see what the rest of us see.

      This was not supposed to dissolve into another right wing opportunity to discuss that Maggot in the White House.

      I don't hate Trump. I hate his childishness, his lying and his attempts to BE the government. Sorry, not on MY tax dollars.

      But enough of that Maggot. I stand on what I wrote.

      I see more and more MEN today acting as if they are threatened by the sound of an intelligent woman's voice.

      No matter what you boys and your little girls continue to debate, Men have grown far more trigger happy, far more unable to learn negotiation skills with women and the number of men who are true to their sense of fair play is at a minimum.

      If you can't face yourselves as others see you, what good are you to society?

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      The Logician 

      13 months ago from now on

      When El deletes legitimate comments and leaves the lies “Less lie” posts you know she’s no one any southern lady would waste their time on. She and Leslie are two peas in a pod.

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      A B Williams 

      13 months ago from Central Florida

      El....not sure if this is still your article or if you’ve handed the reins over to Love, but nevertheless, I was able to find your last comment.

      Not only do you generalize about men being toxic, you also have a very low opinion of Southern women (“ignernt Sweet ole gals”) is how you describe us, along with some other descriptions that I’ll not repeat. If you’d stop stereotyping long enough and allow yourself to really get to know a woman from the South, you’d have a lifelong friend, a confidant and a woman that would love you through, pray you through, help see you through...those tough life moments, that all of us go through.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      13 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      “And don’t be too surprised when all the dirt on trump comes out. And there are witnesses to that, not some confidential informant lying on the stand.“

      Violently raping a 13 yr old girl. Epstein party, 1994.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      13 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I’m curious how you would know what Chris was doing will. Aren’t you in Arizona?

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      Leslie McCowen 

      13 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I do believe Hitler and his followers considered themselves good christians, too.

      History repeats. It is happening here.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      13 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      It’s not a velvet glove, it’s a jackboot

      “Trump vows mass immigration arrests, removals of ‘millions of illegal aliens’ starting next week”

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/trump-v...

      @mykola

      “We've got the concentration camps, now comes the part where the gestapo come and drag your neighbors away.

      In case you didn't realize what's going on and where we are in this process.“

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      Suzie 

      13 months ago from Carson City

      What a cutey.....little blonde! "Happy Father's Day, Grampa...I wuv you." Awwwwww. Makes your day!

      Kabul sounds like a character......My neighbor has 2 ..mmmmm, I think she said, Cockatiels? One talks....actually has a very New York potty mouth! Swears a lot LOL.....Also says, "Frankie's a Pretty Girl"..even though he's a boy.....so I guess the poor confused thing is a transgender bird? But here's a real head scratcher...she also has 2 regular little parakeets.....and since she's had Frankie who talks a lot, one of her parakeets is talking!! I know that's possible ( or I guess it is) but I've never had a parakeet who talks and she said she hasn't either. She's had the parakeets for years and the one only began talking after Frankie moved in. I haven't had birds since I was a kid. My grandmother always had to have a canary and I remember it sang all the time. Those are my only bird experiences...except for the ton of different birds that congregate in my yard....hummingbirds, robins, an owl, wrens, ducks galore in the creek...a Mama and her babies....so cute. and Herons......several heron.

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      The Logician 

      13 months ago from now on

      Paula Yep, i only have 1/4 the grandkids you do but they all wished me a happy grandfather’s day just like my youngest here:

      https://www.dropbox.com/s/ye6woo9cjsre2vi/7071E826...

      Kabul: https://www.dropbox.com/s/e2q71cxawzldcpr/ACA8C93F...

      is not a father but he woke up in the morning with his usual “good morning” as soon as he hears me get up, then when I uncovered his cage he welcomed me with his usual “praise the Lord” after which I open his cage. I say “Kabul go out to play?” and he climbs out of his cage to on top where he sits on his perch, does a poop, then he says “Kabul go out to play” hops on my hand and I take him outside to his outdoor cage. As I walk back to the door to go into the house I heard him say “see ya later”

      Same old routine, every day, even on father’s day.

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      Shannon Henry 

      13 months ago from Texas

      Careful now. Lots of things have a different meaning in the south....like the time I told a bank manager I'd retaliate for their wrong doing.....You should have seen how silent the room suddenly became. And just in case you're wondering, the culprit was one woman singlehandedly being toxic with a capital T. But because she was an officer above even the corporate level I'd been dealing with, she did what she wanted even though it was against general policy and no one else understood why.

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      Suzie 

      13 months ago from Carson City

      T.....Hello............Did U have a nice Father's Day? BTW......Does Kabul have any kids? LOL

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      Suzie 

      13 months ago from Carson City

      LOL...Will....Whew! Am I glad I'm not a Southerner.....I needn't waste my time with the "Bless your heart," crap!! I can get right to the slap! LOL

      Do you have any tools in the trunk of your car, Will? There's some kind of an annoying screeching noise in this thread....could you give it a couple taps?

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      Shannon Henry 

      13 months ago from Texas

      Oh, Will, that just literally made me laugh out loud!!!!

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      WillStarr 

      13 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      When a Southern lady says, "Well bless your heart!", you've just been gently slapped with a velvet glove.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      13 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Your god approves of this?

      http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/national/human-do...

      Trump does. He’s no man, he’s a monster.

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      A B Williams 

      13 months ago from Central Florida

      Yes ...love it Shan!

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      Leslie McCowen 

      13 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Keep following sheep t. Remember, Oj was found innocent.

      Do you believe it?

      I married a man who was framed for murder. His courage in dealing with it is what made me fall in love with him.

      I would have gone ballistic.

      Of course, I’m white and have always been given the benefit of the doubt.

      I don’t know what it’s like to be guilty for the color of my skin.

      And don’t be too surprised when all the dirt on trump comes out. And there are witnesses to that, not some confidential informant lying on the stand.

      Chris is 5 times the man trump is. Trump cries when you insult him back.

      Chris cried when his life was taken away.

      And those bums don’t give a crap who killed Christa.

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      Shannon Henry 

      13 months ago from Texas

      Hey, Angie......Maybe we need to put together a good ol' country song playlist. You know the kind.....about men (and women) working hard, loving their country, and most importantly loving one another. I can even think of a few with lyrics about a man loving his heard-headed woman for who she is.

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      A B Williams 

      13 months ago from Central Florida

      Hear hear girlfriends.....and T!

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      The Logician 

      13 months ago from now on

      Which Chris, a convicted murderer, isn’t ... and YOU married him!

      Epic FAIL of a lifetime!

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      Leslie McCowen 

      13 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Which trump isn’t, and you all voted for him, so.....

      FAIL

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      Suzie 

      13 months ago from Carson City

      A-----MEN....and I do mean, MEN! Real men....The kind we know and love. Good job, ladies!!

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      Shannon Henry 

      13 months ago from Texas

      . . . help neighbors clean up after the recent storms around here. . .do work on an elderly woman's home for super cheap because she won't let him do it for free. . .stop in the middle of a six-lane highway after witnessing a wreck to help lift a car off of an infant who was trapped underneath in its car seat. . .take an entire class of children out to eat at Braum's just because it was a promise to keep.. .donate hundreds of dollars in supplies to a family in need with no expectations of anything in return. . .give money to people at a gas station who find themselves without a way to pay for fuel. These are all things various men in my life have done. Even when some of them occasionally behave like an ass, there are good things to remember. Not all men are nothing more than chauvinistic pigs.

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      A B Williams 

      13 months ago from Central Florida

      ....and spending their entire Father's Day mowing acres of grass for their brother who is recovering from a stroke and for the vacationing neighbors, so that the grass will look nice when they return home and they won't be faced with that task......

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      Suzie 

      13 months ago from Carson City

      and bring us breakfast in bed, and take us to 5-Star restaurants, and bring us flowers for no reason at all.......and brag about us constantly, help keep the house neat, hire a house cleaner, tell us we're the best thing that ever happened to him, compliment us about everything we do, let us cry on his shoulder and comfort us, fix what's broken, buy us a new car, let us vent & keep smiling..............just give me a minute, I'll come up with more......and the reality is, this is actually how I was treated.....spoiled rotten!

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      Shannon Henry 

      13 months ago from Texas

      See now. Chilvary is definitely not dead here where you men treat us women like delicate flowers and open doors for us. Wait, I'm confused. Shouldn't that be an insult?

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      Wesman Todd Shaw 

      13 months ago from Kaufman, Texas

      Yes Ma'am, Shanmarie! Tips hat :)

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      Shannon Henry 

      13 months ago from Texas

      Now, there's a Texan! Sure, Wesman. I'll bless her heart. Texas has got to be the only place it can mean God bless you or piss off. Maybe both at the same time.

      Funny thing is I'm not even worked up about any of this because it's not worth it. But it is astounding how many erroneous assumptions are on this webpage.

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      Wesman Todd Shaw 

      13 months ago from Kaufman, Texas

      Oh just bless her heart and scroll past poor Leslie. Her heart needs some blessin'

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