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On Principle and Pragmatism VIII - Understanding the Conservative/Tea Party-Liberal Philosophical Split [134*-16]

Updated on October 28, 2012

THE FOUNDERS HAVE GATHERED

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A Unique Sort of Hub

THIS IS GOING to be a very unique hub, I think, in that the reader must be a participant for it to work and make any sense. It is going to be a two-part hub starting off with a series of Poll questions to ascertain what people believe about the U.S. Constitution and therefore where they stand on the issue of whether we have strayed from what the framers of the Constitution had in mind when they wrote and signed-off on the U.S. Constitution. This is because, much is made by the Tea Party and Conservative political candidates and their supporters about how we have America has left the Constitution behind in the liberal push toward big government; that the path that government is on today is not the path the signers had in mind when they put their names to the Constitution on September 17, 1787, 224 years ago.

Hopefully, this will give some insight on how each political group in America, Liberal, moderate, and Conservative, view what was the intention behind the Constitution and the purpose it was written. I hope it will be illuminating.

The second part, to be written later, assuming enough people voted to make it worthwhile, will analyze the vote and the questions asked. I know trying a poll in this fashion is very problematic, given the reticence hubbers have in expressing their opinion via the hub polls, but, I thought I would try anyway; always the optimist.

I use the more cumbersome poll because I can gather more interesting information from it even though a quiz gets to the same bottom-line much more easily. The poll, if enough people respond, will allow me to do what is called "stratification", which gives more insight into the answer.

The polls are straight-forward; I make a statement (12 altogether) and you answer whether you agree or disagree (if you are unsure, go with your gut). The cumbersome part is I give you three "yes" and three "no" choices, one each for if you consider yourself a Liberal, a Moderate, or a Conservative/Tea Party member.

I will let you know what I think it means once I have enough votes logged in, so please vote.

UPDATE - Even with only 5 to 7 votes so far, I am a bit surprised by the responses over my preconcieved notions. For a couple of the questions, I am getting the answers I was expecting, but in others, I find it very interesting the initial split even within a political category.

I also want to add, there are no right or wrong answers to any of these questions because these questions relate to purpose and perception and not to mechanics, and the former are matters of opinion and interpretation.

YOU MIGHT SEE TWO STATEMENT NUMBER 6s below. I didn't like the way I phrased it originally; it seemed confusing to me after rereading it later. I closed the original poll and started a new one for that statement.

1.The Advice and Consent clause, the six-year term, and it's 2-member from each State composition gives the Senate too much Executive Power, makes it Unequal in principle, and tends toward Aristicracy

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2. Our Founders Never Intended for the Supreme Court to be able to Exercise Judicial Review.

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3. The phrase "Provide for the General Welfare" in the Preamble and in the Constitution was intended to apply Just to the Nation as a Whole and Not to its Citizenry

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4. The Founders Overstepped Their Mandate to Modify the Articles of Confederation when They wrote the U.S. Constitution.

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5. The Constitution was written such that future Congresses could apply it so as to accomodate Technology and Societal norms prevelant at the Time.

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6. "Arms" as used in the 2nd Amendment, is not limited to Pistols and Muskets , but also to smooth-bore Artillary and other such weapons as well, which were common at the Time.

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EDITED STATEMENT: 6. "Arms" as used in the 2nd Amendment, is not limited to just to Pistols and Muskets but includes more powerful and dangerous weapons as well.

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7. The Founders, in writing the Constitution, intended for the Executive Branch to have equal Power as the Congress.

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8. The Founders, in writing the Constitution, intended the Judicial Branch to have equal Power to the Congress,

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9, It was intended, by those who wrote and signed the Constitution, that Principles unique to the Christian Religion have an influence in the Federal Government.

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10. In writing the Constitution, the Founders are Silent on whether "Arms", as used in the 2nd Amendment, can be Regulated by State and Federal Government.

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11. The Writers of the Constitution Intended for the relationship between the States and Federal government to Change significantly from the Ariticles of Confederation.

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12. The Constitution was Not intended, by its writers, to by a Living document but, instead, immutable.

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AMAZON ON THE US CONSTITUTION

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    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      My Esoteric 

      6 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Thanks HS, I hope so as well, so far I have had 42 page views which means voter turn-out is no worse than 12% at the moment. It is probably a little better than that since I know the unique views are less.

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      Howard Schneider 

      6 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey

      Very interesting Hub and poll questions. I voted on all on the Liberal lines. I am very interested to read about your results in a future Hub. Hopefully you will get a lot more people voting than you have now so you can have a significant sample group.

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      My Esoteric 

      6 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Yeah, you have to know about the AOC to be able to answer. BTW, based on Rommey's comment on the title, I changed that as well to something a little more neutral.

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      My Esoteric 

      6 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Thanks for voting JS. and yes, you are right. I was in the process of fixing that, and a couple of others as you were voting. You might relook at 3, 4, 6, and 11; I had some wordsmithing to do.

      I might also note that if there is a big split in the Tea Party/Conservative responses, (meaning a 50/50 split) that adds legitamcy to your claim of the Tea Party and Conservatives being two, distinct groups with differing views on America.

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      My Esoteric 

      6 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Rommey, and JS, thanks for the comments. Of course the questions are leading, these kinds of inquiries can't be anything else but that way. And yes, the title is provacative as well, on purpose to draw attention to it. Neither of those points, however, detract from what I am after and that is a clear delineation between how Conservatives/Tea Party, Moderates, and Liberals view the purpose of the Constitution and what it contains (and oh, my the way, as you suggest, ascertain what the public really knows about it).

      For example, I am pretty sure how Conservative/Tea Party members as well as Liberals will answer #3, regarding "General Welfare"; however, I haven't a clue as to how moderates come down on the issue.

      Another example, I added "smooth-bore artillary pieces" into one of the questions about the 2nd Amendment, I honestly don't know how that one will turn out, but the regardless, the results should be interesting.

      And JS, as to the Tea Party-Conservative connection, I am just being practical, there is no Tea Party caucus that I am aware of in the Democratic party and when you line up the ideals of those who say they are Tea Party members and simply Conservatives, relative to moderates and Liberals, you can't tell the difference. While you are cetainly right in that there are some Tea Party members who are not Conservative as well, from my observations, they are few and far between.

      So, please humor me, have a go at the polls; its anonymous.

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      Rommey 

      6 years ago from Texas

      LOL, you'll be getting what you asked for (no pun intended). I doubt that I could come up with a set of more leading questions that this. As it is, the premise is leading from the title on... and is built on the hopes that the American public is not fluent with our Republic and Constitution, which, it might be that you are right... our educational system has been changed into a machine intended to train faithful workers for the corporations, preventing the education of the sovereign.

      I would like to remind those who read us:

      "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

      The philosophical principle of our organization is set on the power of our people, not on the power of our corporations, parties, or churches… Our Republic is a Republic of people. Not a Republic of Bank Accounts… Simple as that.

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