One Progressive’s View: A Message from and to Black America Part I

The BLS doesn't include people not on unemployment. So yes, I do deny their data.

How do you stop the structural problems? That is what Congress is supposed to do, but they have allowed super global conglomerate monopolies to become bigger than the US government can actually handle. Mergers and acquisitions create monopolies and monopolies can control supply, and remove competition. They also put small to medium businesses out of business. It was the SMB that made America different and better than those other countries around the world.

Neither party handled it in 2008, and later.

The party loyalty will keep you and the minorities in virtual enslavement, much like the feudal system kept the King in control of his subjects. True no one know more about YOUR situation than you do, but that is not true of knowing about the handouts for the minorities.

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Among Hispanics, the total fertility rate is 2.4. For non-Hispanic whites and for non-Hispanic Asians, it is 1.8. Non-Hispanic blacks (2.1) have higher fertility than whites but lower fertility than Hispanics.

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Among black and Hispanic mothers, births peak among women in their early 20s. For white and Asian mothers, births peak among women in their late 20s and early 30s. Looking at educational attainment differences among groups, most white and Asian mothers are college educated, while most Hispanic and black mothers are not.

In 2009, according to the National Center for Health Statistics, 41% of births were to unmarried mothers, but the shares varied for different groups: 53% for Hispanics, 29% for non-Hispanic whites and 73% for non-Hispanic blacks.

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How does producing more children while not paying into the system help either them or the country?

More children is also more welfare and benefits, but the burden is on the people that actually pay taxes.

BTW, I don't believe in Agree to DisAgree as it serves no useful purpose. Make a good argument, and I consider it, and I have changed my opinion in the past. Make a bad argument, and I have to call on it.

Thanks

Credence2

It is futile for me to go over this again.

I don't know what white you reference that have the resources that you mention.

The Blacks can't even get out of public school where everyone has access to it.

The economy has not rebounded, millions of people that lost their jobs in 2008 just gave up, after many also lost their homes. Obama didn't help them. Those jobs never came back, they are gone forever, and it took both parties to make that happen.

Once again both parties don't care about the middle class. The democrats want the Black and Hispanic votes so they give them welfare, and bend the law as well.

If you want to see a positive change, for the best candidate, and if they are all bad take away your party loyalty. Let them come to you for your independent vote by producing better candidates, and keep more of their promises.

I will stop here because, I will only repeat myself. Much of what I have said is already in my hubs. I am neither dem or repub, as I blame both of them for failing the country. I blame the loyal party voters for allowing them the opportunity to do it.

Thanks

Credence2

I disagree with you on the causes of the economic meltdown. It was started by the democrats, and continued on with the republicans and the democrats didn't stop or try to stop it.

President Obama put his democrat controlled congress on healthcare, as he deserted the financial plight of the victims of the economic meltdown. The banks got bailout money, and they used it to pay the executives that caused their financial institution to fail, seven figure bonuses. Obama and the democrats did nothing.

The banks also refused to loan their bailout money to other banks, much less to the victims of the meltdown. People lost their homes, their jobs, and Obama didn't care.

I give the credit of the failure of the economy, the loss of jobs, and the loss of homes to both parties. And my opinion is that no one should give either party any voting loyalty.

The average white person, has an education, usually a college degree, is not on welfare, and is not usually involved with gangs or criminal activity. Busing has shown that it is not the different school environment that makes the white students better, as the blacks went to those same schools, and some of the whites went to the black schools.

When I went to school, we had a three track system, and the 3rd track was vocational, or trade related.

As far as making education more available, that is a red herring. Everyone has the same access to public education for K-12. And while I contend that it is a poor system, the whites and Asians seem to do well, while the Blacks and Hispanics not so well.

There are generations of families on welfare, and minorities seem to be prolific in producing more future students than the majority. The people that can least afford to have children have the most children, and the most abortions.

Are there more blacks and Hispanics in jail because the system is out to get them, or is it because they have a higher propensity to commit crimes?

I can understand from my youth growing up in the lower East Side of Manhattan that life on the streets really can give you tunnel vision as to what are your options when you finish school, providing you live that long.

A ghetto is not a physical entity, it is a human entity. You can take the people out of the ghetto, but it is hard to take the ghetto out of the people.

And it has the same effect on all races in my opinion. I didn't even think about options for my life until I left Manhattan.

I am sure that there are white children in some parts of the country that have as many problems as the minorities.

The disparity of wealth distribution in this country, in my opinion, directly related to the Income Tax System. It discriminates against the wage earner.

The blue collar worker was once the mainstream of the middle class, it now has fallen, as both parties allow jobs, and businesses to leave the country.

Credence2

First let me say, and you can verify it from my hubs, I have problems with both parties.

I will repeat my mantra, neither party has had or has the solutions, but both parties have generated the problems. Both of them working against each other causes gridlock, and when one is in control it tears or tries to tear down what every the other party was doing when it was in control.

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when you consider how the Republicans and their economic philosophy virtually destroyed the economy over the first decade of this century culminating with the September 2008 meltdown, it was hard for any Democratic contender to lose, even if he is black and considered ‘not one of us’ by many Anglos

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The 2008 meltdown was actually started during the Clinton Administration. They started the, in my words, anyone can own a home, even if they can't afford it. The republicans helped by canceling out the protection of the Glass Stegall Act.

With no protection, the financial industry went on full speed with no brakes. They created some very bad investment and loans. They were helped by the Federal Reserve Board because these loans were so fragile that any increase in the interest rates would have drowned many of the loans. The FHA, along with Freddie and Fannie made these ridiculous Sub Prime loans, and in some cases with negative amortization.

..... Washington, D.C., Dec. 16, 2011 — The Securities and Exchange Commission today charged six former top executives of the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae) and the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac) with securities fraud, alleging they knew and approved of misleading statements claiming the companies had minimal holdings of higher-risk mortgage loans, including subprime loans.

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Congress is divided by both parties going in different directions, while the financial industry become too big for even the government to control. Obama did nothing to change that in the last 7 years.

Both parties failed here, as usual.

There is much more but this should give some light on where I am coming from on your statement.

The loyal party voters are the core of the problem, and the voters should realize that both the democrats and republicans are shrinking the middle class. The democrats want the poor to vote for them, and the republicans want the middle class and rich think it is their party.

The Middle Class has no party representation in government.

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You talk about Anglo wealth, then you are talking about the 10% people, not the average Anglo.

My family didn't have money. I grew up in Manhattan, and than on Long Island. I went to a 2 yr college, and I had to drop out and get a job after the 1st year. Then I took college courses at night, until I got married. I got married moved to CA, and we had three children. I worked 60 hours a week, and took 12 units at UC Long Beach. This went on for a dozen years, at which time I had a divorce before I got my BS degree. I continued on and four more years, I got my MS degree.

I know a lot more people like me. Although, I do know people that actually went to a 4 year college, and just partied and didn't have to work while they were in collage.

There are many successful non sports business people that are Black, but they are the exception. I am a bad judge of why that is because living close to LA, there is too much crime in the city, and too many gangs. So, the blacks seems to flourish in the gangs, but I don't see too many of them in good salaried jobs.

I don't know what it is like in Florida, or anyplace else. Although I didn't see it in northern CA as much.

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Education is not the solution

We need to change the goal of education to that of getting a job where you can raise a family, and have some extras. K-12 needs to be revamped to include a high school degree that is equivalent to a two year college. Then the four year college would be chopped to only two years.

There is no movement on doing this, but I think it would be a step in the right direction.

It is strange that we hear some many complaints about some many students having a hard time with the current system. It would then be impossible for them to pass in the suggested system.

on to part 2

Back at you Jon, Peace and Blessings.

Credence2

''a lot in common'' WE LOVE OUR COUNTRY!

Today in Washington, right is wrong and wrong is right, sad to say.'' we are a nation of the rule of law'' Definately not in today's government.

junko

Your opinions are well respected, keep an open mind and you will attain the final goal '' knowledge is power ''

Have a blessed holiday on sunday.

Jon, I have a liberal arts approach to politics and Iam not swayed by the propaganda on either side. I just express my own opinions based on what I see and hear.

junko

'' Jon, holler at a brother'' I accept the fact that my brothers have not got by the propaganda of the . gov sites. Without another view how would anyone understand what's going on in the country.

Credence2

'' opposition to Obama policies is a relevant response.''

Can anyone explain Obama's policies in the past 4 years that has worked to improve the job market and the economy?

Cred, you worked for the federal government, live on the islands and have an'' other ''for a wife.

Kind of funny THAT we have something in common.I guess that's what makes the world go around.(My 2 sons )

Credence I thought that this was a new hub until I saw your first post. I just wanted to say I see what you see and saw what you saw. I also see "The Suit" has been on the job passing out links. He not a bigot, he just have a one sided view. Jon, holler at a brother some time for no reason, I'll follow you if you follow me,lol. Good bird's eye view Credence.

Credence2

'' A Message from and to Black America Part I''

The message in 2008 '' promises'' Barak Obama Campaign Promises

https://hubpages.com/politics/barakobamacampaignpr...

Obama promised hope and change will be coming to Washington

"This idea that blacks supported Obama only because he is black is the biggest obcession that the White -Right continues to nurse despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."

And while arguing that Obama's supporters only voted for him because he's Black, they insist that race has nothing to do with anybody's /opposition/ to Obama. Funny how that works....

This was a heartfelt article. While the racial climate concerning Blacks and Whites have improved over the decades, there are some areas that need improvement. Yes, President Obama was elected and many people of every race and ethnic group were influential in his election. There are many Whites who feel quite threatened and dismayed that he was elected because of his race. They wanted things to be the way they have always been. However, there has to be change and continuing evolution.

There are Blacks who expect President Obama to rescue them and ease their socioeconomic woes. However, many of those Blacks must look into their socioeconomic situation and take responsibility for themselves. Of course, there is racism, overt and covert, in American society. Let's not be fooled into illustory delusion that racism is not present but Blacks have to start taking responsibility for their sociocultural and socioeconomic dilemmas. If many Blacks want to improve their situation and to progress as a people, they must adopt a more positivistic agenda and be more proactive in improving their communities and schools. They should also stop being mainly consumers but start establishing businesses and enterprises in their communities. Black people can no longer blame the outer society for their dilemma. They must look towards themselves to progress and build their communities.

Credence2, I think your observations are dead on.

I'm disappointed, but not surprised, at the defensive reaction to your article from some White readers.

You're right that a lot of White Americans seem to think that if Black Americans start doing better, it must be because White Americans are somehow losing ground.

You're right that a lot of White Americans have been saying things that betray a subconscious racism (or maybe it's a conscious racism that they are deliberately hiding in double-speak because they know that overt racism will be condemned, and that if someone calls them on their racist subtext, they can use verbal judo to make it look like the other guy is the real racist).

You're right that it's not unreasonable for Black Americans to expect that the first Black president will maybe pay more attention to the Black community than our White presidents have done, and you're right that a lot of White Americans have done their very best to make President Obama look scary and foreign, for example, carefully emphasizing his Arab-sounding middle name, which happens to be the same as the first name of the erstwhile dictator of Iraq, to make sure everyone notices how very /different/ he is from "real" Americans. When candidate Obama bumped fists with his wife at a public appearance, conservative talking heads freaked out, calling it a "terrorist fist-bump," when everyone knows that a fist-bump is /very/ mainstream, even in White America. Then there's the birthers, who did their best to convince everyone that Obama wasn't actually born in the US. (Some people call these kinds of things "othering.")

And of course, your right that a lot of White Americans don't understand why Black Americans don't pull themselves up by their bootstraps because a lot of White Americans assume that everyone has boots. That is, White Americans are often blind to their own privilege.

Part of the problem is that we've taught ourselves that discrimination is bad, and that all people are equal. No, really! Consider:

We've had it drilled into our heads since the 1970s that it's always wrong to treat people differently based on their color or race or creed or whatever. That's good, right? Because under the skin, everyone's basically the same, we're all human beings, all Americans together, and nobody should get special treatment--everyone should be treated the same.

Except we've internalized this message so well that we assume that everyone is not only equal under the law, but they actually do have equal opportunities and therefore any hardship they encounter is--HAS to be--entirely due to their own shortcomings.

Because we're told that it's bad to assume differences, we make the mistake of assuming that everyone has equal advantages, and when it's pointed out that Black Americans don't have the same access to capital, higher education, good (or even adequate!) K-12 schools, reliable childcare, nutritious food, connections in business, etc etc etc, we say to ourselves "But discrimination is wrong!" to absolve ourselves from doing anything to help Black Americans gain access to all the advantages that White Americans take for granted (and pretend aren't advantages).

Why? Because many White Americans think (and this is very important to their sense of self-worth) that they're self-made--that they earned (and therefore deserve) everything they've got through their own hard work and discipline. Further, they believe that with enough hard work and discipline, /anyone/ can earn as much for themselves. Acknowledging that they had help (maybe someone gave them a car as a graduation gift; maybe their parents paid for their college tuition; maybe their uncle knew someone at the bank) means that they're not self-made; that they might not deserve everything they've got after all; and that it's not exactly fair that another person might not have gotten a free car, a free education, and an "in" at the company they applied at which got them a better, higher-paying job than they might otherwise have gotten.

Every time you point this stuff out, though, you're going to get CWGs (Clueless White Guys) getting all defensive and maybe even accusing you of "reverse-racism." Not because they're racist themselves, but because nobody wants to feel like their benefiting from institutionalized racism--it kind of makes them racist by extension, and everyone knows that racists are bad people, right? Plus, the conservative political machine has done an excellent job of convincing mainstream White Americans that "Welfare Queens" not only exist, but are the norm, and are mostly Black. In reality, most of the people who receive public assistance are White, but we don't like to talk about that!

Your observations are reasonable and very fair. When White guys freak out at them, it's because sometimes the truth can make people feel very uncomfortable.

Credence2 10

Know the candidates.

THE SHARED AGENDAS OF BARACK OBAMA

A fundamental plan for the US Government

http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_301_31606...

Joyce Foundation's Board of Directors was Barack Obama,

Know your candidate for the presidency

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/funderProfile.a...

Willard Mitt Romney

https://giancarlolorenzo.hubpages.com/question/191...

False Attacks on GST steel

http://www.mittromney.com/blogs/mitts-view/2012/06

Rep. Paul Ryan defends GOP budget plan Chris Wallace

http://wn.com/Paul_Ryan_on_Fox_News_Sunday_with_Ch.../videos

Ryan and Van Hollen Debate Medicare Proposals 6/3/11 '' THE TRUTH ''

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/06/03/ryan-and-van-...

Mark the calendar, Oct. 03, 2012 will be the first Presidential debate.

Credence2

Hope and change is coming to Washington?

Obama chief strategist David Axelrod

Live and uncut, scare tactics?

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-news-sunday/2012...

Paul Ryan on 'Hannity'

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1797716109001/exclusive...

vision for the future

Character matters when running for President

https://hubpages.com/politics/Character-matters-wh...

Hello Credence - Trying to catch up on some older posts today. Excellent, well argued, well written hub. You have the patience of a veritable Job. I do not know how you continue engaging with people like you do. You have my admiration.

I noted the lengthy comments by Thomas - pretty solid, it seemed to me. Thanks for all the time and energy you put into this debate. I have to believe that some people are hearing and understanding. Now, on to Part Two. :).

GA Anderson

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but... I still believe the "red phone" was a silly gimmick' yes , I guess so.

@Jon - thanks for the effort to find and post the link

but...I would not have been an avid Beck viewer if I doubted the accuracy of his points - I believe he presented many important "connections" the public would not have known without him

but... I still believe the "red phone" was a silly gimmick

GA

GA

''validate his point. It was a ploy - nothing more.''

Yes it was to validate the truth about what he was saying. Are you aware that president Obama predicted what is happening in the middle east and what has happened on wallstreet and other city protests?

Beck exposed Soros, the AFL-CIO and SEIU unions, the media and what our dear President is doing to the country.

I heard he is on the internet. CHECK THIS SITE, a little background info.http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printgroupProfi...

@Jon Ewall - your mention of the "red phone - direct line" was a tongue-in-cheek" reference wasn't it?

You don't really think it was anything more than a gimmick do you?

I was a HUGE Beck fan, until his format for his message changed - he went off the deep end with the religious tone. And he got too "cutsey" with the sarcasm.

I was a diligent viewer during the series of shows with the "red phone", and I cringed every time he tried to use that to validate his point. It was a ploy - nothing more.

GA

Credence2

WHEN YOU GET TO THE SITE LOOK IN THE OTHER VIDEOS.

It's in'' Founders' Fridays (11 videos) ''

check becks other videos. the red phone line was a direct to the whitehouse. idea was if he did not report the truth , the white house can call to correct him online. the PHONE NEVER RANG!

CRED2

Black Heroes in American History

Save our Country

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/glenn-beck/index.htm.../v/4256317/black-heroes-in-american-history/?playlist_id=163229

CRED2

2/13/10 NOTE ! TODAY IS NOV. 25,2011

President Barack Obama is hailing pay-as-you-go BUDGET legislation he signed Friday night as one in a series of crucial steps needed to snap Washington out of a destructive pattern of overspending.

Simply a beautiful move before the Nov 2010 election. CRED2 IT'S ALL ABOUT SMOKE AND MIRRORS.

Do you remember Obama approved the Bush Tax cuts, later on after the election he said he shouldn't have passed the legislation.

@credence2 - followed your link....damnn...

It was obvious that you had a point you wanted to make, but I am not familiar enough with this "Norquest(?)" thing, yet, to comment specifically, but I will return there when I have more time.

It was only a quick read, as I said time is tight, but it did seem a little overstated

as to the OP here, yes we will have to agree to disagree.

seems true the GOP did have their feet planted, reasonable or not

but it also seems the cuts the Dems are touting as "honest efforts" to compromise weren't really cuts at all, but reductions in proposed increases.

but, let me qualify that - gotta admit that is a very topical response, I haven't really dug beyond the shouted accusations of either side yet

from the beginning the SC thingie seemed like just such obvious political theater that I never really got interested enough to dig deeper.

to me, even its creation was an embarrassment, and the outcome is no less than I would have expected.

hmmm... still think it's a circle-jerk, so I probably won't look any deeper. It's yours if you want it.

talk to ya later

GA

Cred2

Just to fill you in to the past:

On 9/28/11, Senator Reid announced that he will not bring up the President's Job Bill to the Senate floor. Senator Reid sponsored the bill in the Senate and it is becoming clearer that the Republicans are not holding up passage of the Jobs Bill as the president says on the campaign trail. President Obama needs to make a call to Senator Reid.

On 11/23/11, IN RESPONSE TO PRESIDENT OBAMA'S accusations, Speaker Boehner requested Obama to instruct Senator Reid to pass the 25 jobs bills passed by the House sitting in the Senate. The true battle is all about a Pay-Go law passed by Congress. The democrats want to spend more without cutting somewhere to pay for the spending.

The mainstream media and press has not reported the events. One needs to get by the propaganda being fed to the people by President Obama & company.

2/13/10 2:04 PM EST NOTE ! TODAY IS NOV. 23,2011

President Barack Obama is hailing pay-as-you-go BUDGET legislation he

signed Friday night as one in a series of crucial steps needed to snap

Washington out of a destructive pattern of overspending.

“Now, Congress will have to pay for what it spends, just like everybody

else,” Obama said in his radio and Internet address released Saturday

morning. “After a decade of profligacy, the American people are tired of

politicians who talk the talk but don’t walk the walk when it comes to

fiscal responsibility. It’s easy to get up in front of the cameras and RANT

against exploding deficits. What’s hard is actually getting deficits under

control. But that’s what we must do.”

The PAYGO compels NEW spending or tax changes to not add to the

federal deficit. Not to be confused with pay-as-you-go financing, which

is when a government saves up money to fund a specific project. Under

the PAYGO rules a new proposal must either be "budget neutral"

or offset with savings derived from existing funds.[1] The goal of this

is to require those in control of the budget to engage in the diligence of

prioritizing expenses and exercising fiscal restraint. The interest on

the national debt is $1 billion a day and rising. The unfunded

liabilities of the country is $104 trillion.

The Republicans simply don’t want to break the law, they are fighting for the TAXPAYERS.

Obama and the Democrats don’t tell you the whole truth, do they?

Note that the House has approved a 2012 budget, the President and the Senate has not. ONLY 1/3 of our government is working, the other 2/3’s want to talk and BLAME THE OTHER GUY.

Hello Cred2: All valid points for sure. It is too bad people cannot step aside of themselves and experience the world through the eyes and emotions of those they oppress or defame. This, of course, would be the ultimate in understanding. However, since we have not this ability, (nor do I think that it is a necessity) we have to understand that we are all of mankind.

The best way to remove the “crumb” analogy, is to remove the table itself from the equation. A leveling, if you will, to cause a conjoined existence. Some religions speak of the races being separated by God for a reason. They point to this as their escape from responsibility. However, they miss the inference that we are “all of one blood.”

This prejudice, this racism, has baffled this writer for the entirety of his life. I, in the past, studied the KKK and several other racialist groups at length trying to get an understanding of why these people proclaim their ideology as right. I came up empty handed of deeper understanding, and remorseful that these people and their progeny were amongst us. It is unfortunate that even the media tends to these lines to some extent. It has not been lost on me either of the unbalanced coverage between black and white, on whatever the issue or occurrence. The thing is…will these depressive prejudices ever be removed from the psyche of mankind?

Thanks for commenting back, the fan mail, and following. I, too, look forward to our conversations.

Thomas Thyros.

Credence2

‘’I blame the GOP ‘’ so does President Obama and the Democrats. The failure is ALL President Obama’s failure to show up to the party! Wow, why BLAME THE PRESIDENT?

IF ONE UNDERSTANDS how legislation becomes law , you can agree that the President has failed to provide the leadership necessary ( a third party ) to arrive at a solution to FINALIZE a deal between the rival ideologies.

The founders of the US Constitution produced a document ( US Constitution ) that provided checks and balances in how the government makes laws. Congress, the House and the Senate, must agree on legislation before the legislation goes to the President for his signature. Without the agreement by ALL 3 PARTIES nothing becomes law, THAT’S A FACT.

The super committee was made up of equal members of each party who failed to arbitrate an AGREEMENT to present to the President (3rd party ). President Obama was AWOL in the final days of the debate and in addition of not providing his leadership to wrap up a deal to solve the problems. Shameful neglect of his duties as the President.

Today, Nov.22, 2011 while campaigning in New Hampshire , President Barack Obama again blamed the Republicans for the failure of the Super Committee , forgetting to place any blame on members of his own party. One can recall some of Obama’s past words ,’’ THE BUCK STOPS HERE’’. Somehow one can see through him and who he really has become. Remember these words, ‘’ you can fool some of the people some of the time but you can’t fool all the people all the time’’.

@Credence2 - I'm surprised at you!

Revenue enhancements? Come on say the real words - tax increases!

and seriously - MSNBC? Would you expect them to announce a poll with any other outcome? about the same chance as Fox news announcing a negative GOP poll.

Even so - You are correct on the point that the GOP has blame to shoulder - but only half of it.

The Dems get the other half for their obstinate behavior also.

SC was a doomed blame game from the beginning - the only thing either side was bargaining for was the upper hand.

GA

Hello credence,

First, let me say this is a great hub and it is well said and well thought out. Secondly, I am Caucasian and live in the Mid-West; an area where racism and all manner of prejudices seem to be acceptable; however, I am not, nor do I condone or accept these.

When one begins to consider racism in all of its malevolent stations, only the closed-minded see it as a correct or moral thought. Racism, indeed prejudice, knows no intellectual level or station in life. No authority needs to be given to the angle of spin which may be put upon it, nor from which group or entity from which it is extended; prejudice is wrong and rotten to its very core.

It is unfortunate, that in our times, race is still an accepted mode of argument; a route to take on a troublesome issue, or a weapon to be wielded at the hands of someone less than informed about the subject for which they argue. It is often the libretto of troglodytes who lay their problems at the feet of those they wish not to understand. Therefore, it is assimilated into the political arguments of today, just as it has been throughout our nation’s history.

There is no doubt as to the extended period of time for which the African-American has endured the darkness of oppression and financial hardship. These facts are charted throughout our history and continue to be a chartable issue today. If you will allow, I wish also to include another segment of the populous into these numbers, that of whites, those poor in station, in rural America.

As aforementioned, I live in a small town in the Mid-West. Here, we continue to experienced much of the same plight as other minorities. Education is cut off from these people and the unemployment rates are calamitous. Here, we are experiencing unemployment rates at depression era levels. There are no jobs to be found and many have alighted to other areas of the country to find relief. The reason I bring this to your attention is not to belittle or equate your argument, but only to inform that these people are many times forgotten. Our media, (which I too question as to their liberality) as well as our government, only speak of the “middle-class,” thus leaving the poor and worker poor completely out of the issue.

While I support the Occupy movement, I believe that if it were not for the middle-class becoming affected by our present economic plight, the much-maligned poor and working poor would still be a forgotten group. In the end, these whites, have not the advantages for which some may think they are accustomed, nor is the experience something removed from their grasp as a result of our governments ineptitude.

It is correct that those in the disenfranchised groups must work much harder to sustain their families and themselves. Additionally, while there are many blacks using social services, many poor and working poor are as well, regardless of color or creed. However, this should not be viewed as some kind of a deduction of the human being. For, survival is embedded within the genetics of every one of us, and those who point a condemnatory finger at those who are less fortunate, should be relegated to these lower stations for a time to gain some understanding of these trails.

In closing, it is this writers belief that race should never be an ax used to chop at the neck of a problem…societal or otherwise. It is prejudice, in all of its many renderings, that is causative of many or most of our present happenings and problems. Prejudice is the demon guarding the gate of avariciousness, and it bites at the flesh of anyone it deems a threat. It is present in the racial problems we experience still today, and it is present in our current class war as well.

Thanks for posting your Hub.

Thomas Thyros.

Credence2

It's all about smoke and mirrors, the cuts if it happens don't take effect until 2013.The Democrat/Obama plan is a stall tactic, the Obama administration continues spending while the Senate delays voting on job legislation passed by the House. President Obama held a press conference today, Nov. 21,2011, again blaming the Republicans when it is the Senate's inability to act on legislation passed in the House. Typical Obama press conference where no questions are allowed from the news media. Congress next move should be to start cutting waste out of government,$4 TRILLION for starters.

Credence2

''both sides involved in using the SS Fund ''It started with the President Johnson administration.The answer is yes they both are guilty.

A copy of an e-mail that I sent to the Speaker,Senator Reid and all members of the super committee on Sat.

Dear Speaker Boehner/ Senate Leader Reid

The President promised open and transparent government. The Super Committee working behind closed doors have not agreed to a resolution on the deficit and 2012 budget.

We the people have had enough of the statements coming from the party leaders.

We the people DEMAND that future meetings of the Super Committee be held in OPEN session without any censure of the proceedings. It is important for we the people to witness each sides positions in the debate.

We the people will be making a decision in the near future as to whom we will cast a vote for in the coming months. To deny our request would be a dereliction of duty to the electorate who sent you to Washington.

You are the 2 leaders in Congress who have the power to grant our request to open meetings. There should be complete cooperation in the matter.

Sincerely,

Troubled voters and taxpayers.

It’s time for Congress to make the cuts necessary to approve the agreement. There is $9 trillion in waste in the government, cutting $ 4 trillion should not be a problem. It was reported today that the US government ‘’taxpayers ‘’ owe the social security trust fund $2.66 trillion.

THE TIME FOR BIPARTISANSHIP IS NOW!

PASS IT ON, IF YOU BELIEVE IN WE THE PEOPLE.

oops - the order of my last response got jumbled in edit - but I'm sure you can piece it together

GA

@Credence2 LOL - My eyes thank you. Just to be clear on one point.

I believe in the betterment of society, but I am not in line with with is usually label progressive/liberal ideas of what that is.

As for our views differing - isn't that a great thing! The ability to do so and still live in the same societal group is much better than the historical examples of the alternative.

GA

I am also not a Republican - what logic is there in supporting a dog that is biting you - just because he isn't sharing you with the rest of the pack?

No, I don't oppose the 16th - taxes are necessary, and it is easy to understand the hardship it would be, and the inability that is a reality, for too many families to have to come up with a mulit-thousand dollar check at tax time.

Credence2

VERY VERY GOOD! Maybe you are closing in on the middle of the road.Check out Cavuto on Fox News during the week and give me an opinion.

Be good and have a terrific thanksgiving holiday.

Credence2

It was reported today that the US government ‘’taxpayers ‘’ owe the social security trust fund $2.66 trillion. The President and the Democrats believe money grows on trees somewhere in Washington.

The Democrats in 2007 won majority control of Congress, the recession started in Dec. of 2007. Just now viewed a news clip ,July 14, 2008, of Congressman Frank on CNBC telling the public that Fannie and Freddie Macs were not in trouble of failing. Today Congressman Frank was on MSNBC blaming the Republicans for Fannie and Freddie’s failure. The difference between the parties, the Dems continually are blaming others while the other side is trying to solve the problems without blaming the Dems, so funny.

It is remarkable to always blame the Republicans when the Democrats have had 2/3’s control of our government since 2007.The Democrats passed Tarp, the Stimulus, take over of Student Loan programs, Dodd/ Frank banking regulations and the Healthcare Bill, all without the help of the Republicans. THEY JUST ADDED $4.5 TRILLION to the national debt without a return on the investment.

The Healthcare bill was passed by intimidation and deal making for votes. The 72 hours to review the bill was rammed thru with members not even reading the bill or debating the unwritten bill that was not on the House floor as required by House rule.

Famous words of wisdom from Speaker Pelosi ’’ we need to pass the bill so that we will know what’s in it ’’.

The people should demand that the super committee hold the coming meetings OPEN to the public .The public needs to find the truth of what is actually happening behind closed doors. Call your representative and demand to open meetings. President Obama promised a transparent and open administration and government. Just another broken promise!

Please excuse the long reply.

@ Credence 2 - Is there room in this sandbox for one more?

before I start, an aside - hey guy - throw a few paragraph breaks in Part II - my eyes are wore out from reading this one.

But it was a good one - (except for the paragraph formatting)

I do not support Pres. Obama's agenda for social change, I don't agree with any type of forced wealth redistribution.

But I also don't agree with many of the right wing's pro-business mantras either, nor do I agree with responses that are merely reiterations of tired talking points.

I do agree with the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps"

theory of self-improvement, but do understand some folks might not even have bootstraps, or the strength to pull on them - so they may need a little help.

In the discussion of welfare programs and recipients, both in your hub and the comments here, why is no one mentioning that there are more white folks enrolled in the social assistance programs than blacks?

Referencing Pres. Obama's lack of accomplishments due to congressional obstructionism (ie. Republican), what about the almost three years that Democrats controlled both houses, and the Executive branch? Don't blame it all on the Republicans.

High marks to him for his handling of his Commander-in-Chief responsibilities though. I was very worried about several of those type issues when he was elected.

I hope you don't get too caught-up in the "rich don't pay their fair share" thing, unless you can define what their fair share is of course.

It appears to me that Democrats/Progressives live by the credo - spend what we need to get what we want, (ie. programs), and then just take the money we need from wherever we can get it. As the saying goes... when you rob Peter to pay Paul, Paul ain't going to complain.

On the other hand - the Republicans are as "bought" by BIG Money and BIG Business, as the Democrats are "bought" by the BIG Money Special interests(read: Unions)

So I would just as soon throw them all out and start over.

That was just a long-winded attempt to get acquainted, I liked your well-thought our effort, above, salient and articulate, and anticipate a few more visits.

GA

ps. don't forget those paragraph breaks

Credence2

Thank you for your response. For all one sided hubbers, I was a longtime registered Democrat, recently changed to Independent. HS and others have attacked my writings as right-winger, sad to say .What I write are facts, many of the attackers don't reply to what I write. They are entitled to their opinions which in most cases are not the whole truth but a half truth similar to what the president does when he speaks to the public.

Take notice that in many of his press conferences he leaves without ALLOWING QUESTIONS.

I always enjoy a debate with HS, TELL HIM I MISS THE ACTION.

Credence2

IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW OUR GOVERNMENT WORKS, you need to understand that the leader of the House and the Senate are in command of what bills and legislation gets to the floor to debate, amend and vote on. In order for the president (3rd party of control)to give his approval by signing a bill, both the House and the Senate needs to agree by voting to pass the legislation before any action by the president.

The Republican House has passed 15 jobs bills that are sitting in the Senate waiting for Democrat Senator Reid to act on, meaning a debate and vote.

The President ,if he told the whole truth would not be complaining about the Republicans, it is his party that is the hold-up to getting any thing accomplished.

With due respect, please find another source of information and I mean no offense to you in anyway.

Credence2

Will patiently hope for a reply.

The Senate passed a continuing resolution (a CR )TO FUND THE GOVERNMENT TO DEC. 15,2011.Obama and the Democrat contolled Senate has yet to pass a 2012 budget, wonder why?

The Republican House passed a bipartisan 2012 budget in Feb. as required by congressional rules.

SOMEBODY IN WASHINGTON ARE NOT DOING THE JOB.

Credence2

'' I am satisfied ..... with his current performance,''

WHAT do you consider his performance?

Can you list some?

Credence2

''I will always err on the side of Obama over the unsubstantiated criticism ''

WONDERING WHY OBAMA CAN'T LEAD? The Super committee needs to come to an agreement before thanksgiving, a continuing resolution to keep the government open is needed next week and a 2012 budget has not been presented by the Senate.

The President continues to blame Congress for not passing his jobs bill, mentioning only that the Republicans are the cause of why the bills are not passed.. The Republican House has passed 15 jobs bills that the Democrat Senate has not voted on as yet. Please tell the people that ''THE MAN '' is incompetent of performing the duties of the highest office in the land.

Credence2

Veterans Day was yesterday,11-11-11. Today the President and wife left for a nine day asian trip (vacation) to hawaii,bali and indonesia while the super committee works on how to cut $1.2 BILLION out of the budget, how covenient for him to leave the nation.

Credence2

Watch CAVUTO on Fox News during the week and on Sat. morning. CAVUTO will always have a Democrat and a Republican on at the same time, ask questions from both. Afterwards make your own decisions on what they say in relation to what President Obama is saying. Obama says good stuff but what his administration is doing don't coincide. On Monday, Nov 7, 2011, Obama held a rose garden press conference ( took no questions as usual) regarding Congress not passing his jobs bill. The President threatened Congress that if Congress don’t pass the veterans job act, he will take actions to pass the bill without Congress. Note that our Constitution don’t allow the President to make law. The President blaming Congress and the Republicans is not a truthful statement. The facts are that the Republican controlled House has passed 15 jobs bills, they are sitting in the Democrat controlled Senate. If Democrat Senator Reid don’t allow the bills to get to the floor for debate, amend or vote on, nothing moves forward. The Republican Senators have NO control in the Senate, hence they are not allowed to provide a vote. President Obama blaming the Republicans has not been truthful to the American people. Note that Obama NEVER mentions Democrats , who are holding up passage of the jobs bill.

The mainstream media does not report the whole story, sad to say.

HAVE A GOOD DAY

Credence2

That was a terrific response, I loved it.

Try c-span, local business section of news papers, scan CNN and FOX news. Funny how the news looks from 2 sides. Try Saturday morning business programs. Some how Fox shows clips of the past and present of our favorite public servants. Not much of value from the blogs, many only give biased opinions. Looking at a website ,check who the principals are who are in charge. in the end use common sense truthful un biased reporting.

That's it my friend, love the reply.

That was a terrific response, I loved it.

Try c-span, local business section of news papers, scan CNN and Fox news. Funny how the news looks from 2 sides. Try Saturday morning business programs. Some how Fox shows clips of the past and present of our favorite public servants. Not much of value from the blogs, many only give biased opinions. Looking at a website ,check who the principals are and who are in charge. In the end use common sense truthful un biased reporting.

That's it my friend, love the reply.

PS all the rest of the mainstream media reporting is mostly liberal propaganda.

Credence2

If you get information from whitehouse.gov, you need to get out in the world and find out what I mean when I say '' the whole truth and nothing but the truth '' or '' a half truth is not a whole truth''. I recently reviewed some of my old hubs only to find out that Obama is still using the same old dung and fodder he used in 2008,2009,2010 and now again in 2011.

Hubbers get over it, come out of the dark and wake up!

Have a wonderful day and hoping that you all will find the TRUTH ONEDAY.

Credence2

Obama continually blames the Republicans for delaying a jobs bill. The Republican CONTROLED HOUSE has sent the Harry Reid , Democrat controled Senate, some 15 jobs bills that HS has not even taken the time to put the legislation on the floor. Obama and company speak with forked tongue, the mainsteam media hasn't woke up yet,their silence is golden.

The people are getting a steady diet of OBAMA PROPERGANDA.

This is a well thought out and brave hub. It seems when anyone tells certain truths, the backwash can be overwhelming. Keep it up and don't quit!!

Credence, Mr. Ewall seems to have the ear and the voice of the Almighty since he is laying claim to be the only one with "the Truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth". I think his ministry is lacking in followers though. Many have claimed "Divine Truth" but few have proven it. Even though he may claim not to be religious in intent he is in fact preaching. so no matter what anyone says his answer will always be "the One". Sorry for butting in but your discussion was going nowhere and will continue to do so, Thanks

Peter

Credence2

How about letting us all in on where you found the truth.

Share your information with us so that we too can have the truth.

Please tell us the WHOLE TRUTH, not any half truths.Anxiously waiting.

Thanks in advance.

Credence2

''Obama offered major cuts 4 trillion''

ONLY TALK, NEVER put on paper or submitted in detail.

ALL PROPAGANDA- SMOKE AND MIRRORS.

Wake up and find the whole truth, not just a half truth.

Try to have a good day.

Credence2

You said ''We bear a certain amount of blame for our current plight which I will address in Part II''

I SAID ''The 50,000 on food stamps, the 14+ million on unemployment and all time poverty rates are records of the Obama- Democrat majority control of the government.''

MY reply to another hub

On the way to the poverty rolls. LOST 6% on my small IRA, paid $3.67 /gal for gas on my 1988 beater, got a 25% INCREASE in my healthcare insurance, paid 20% HIGHER for food and utility bills that have gone UP 20%. The kicker on my electric bill is a surcharge to pay for green energy regulations to build alternate energy projects. Just another hidden tax that Obama don’t tell people about because people are DUMB. OH, I forgot to include the value of the dollar worth 20% less and value of my small house losing 25% of it’s value in the marketplace.

Followers of Obama believe that the president is doing a great job. Smoke and mirrors covered with a big dose of propaganda helped by the mainstream media and the press.

Americans wake up, seek the whole truth not just a half truth of what Obama is selling. THE RESULT IS POVERTY, HERE WE COME!Just another one of the 14.3 million group.

Have a great day

Credence2

''but not those that protect the health, safety and FAIRNESS concepts betweeen the American people and the so called Job Creators''

Allow me to repeat

1.Costly Regulations Cost Us American Jobs, WHY?

http://www.gop.gov/indepth/jobs/regulations

2.The Senator Coburn Report July 21, 2011

DEFICIT WASTE IN the US GOVERNMENT see video

Back in the black, the SOLUTION

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tVJ2gqqKWs

It's now time for the government in Washington to step up. There is $9 trillion in wasteful operations, $4 trillion could be a starter.

FUNNY, HOW THE SUPER COMMITTEEE CAN’T FIND $1.5 in savings.

Credence2

THE GOP PLAN IS SIMPLE,stop the spending,cut government WASTE and tell the american peole the whole TRUTH.

SENATOR COBURN identified $9 trillion of waste in the government.

The House Republican PLAN for America’s Job Creators

A blueprint to JOB recovery

http://www.gop.gov/indepth/jobs

Obama tells the public that the republicans have no plan, Obama lies again.

The President's jobs bill is scheduled to be debated in the Senate this coming week. Check c-spans program listings, they should have some hearings to show.

The 5.4 surtax on millionaires reminded me of the luxury taxes Congress placed on high expensive products some years ago.

The millionaires just stopped buying airplanes, boats, cars and stopped investing. Many of the effected industries went down the tubes and many workers were laid off.