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Progressives Have a Binary View on Some Issues

Updated on November 5, 2019
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Jack is a volunteer at the CCNY Archives. Before retiring, he worked at IBM for over 28 years. As of 2/2020, Jack has over 100,000 views.

Introduction

Here is one observation I found about discussing issues with progressives. They see it as one of only two choices. Either A or B. If they support A, and you don’t, then you are automatically assigned to believe in B. Even though you may not and often believe in C. Since progressives don’t see the possibilities of a C, they are often wrong in their views on the issue and more over, wrong in their assessment of the opposition. Which leads to confusion and misunderstanding.

- Oct. 2019

On Illegal Immigration

Progressives are for all immigration. They do not make a distinction between a legal immigrant and an illegal immigrant. In fact, they don’t even like that term. They say no humans are illegal. However, that is twisting the words around. The “illegal” in the term refers to the act of breaking a law and coming over our borders uninvited, not the fact they are illegal human beings. When it comes to immigration, they say either you are for opening our doors to these underprivileged people, the A, which they agree with or B you are against it and therefore you must be a racist and a xenophobe.

That is the binary view. However, we conservatives have a different view - C. We believe in the rule of law. Therefore, we do distinguish between a legal immigrant who has every right to be here and an illegal immigrant, who has broke our laws and in fact are without legal identification. We welcome the first group but wants to stop the second. The reason is not because of race. It is because of several important factors, including economic, legal, health and terrorism. It is true most illegal immigrants are law abiding and hard working people who just want a better life for themselves and their family. Who doesn’t? However, mixed in this group are some drug dealers, human traffickers, people with diseases, and possible terrorists. In order to keep our citizens safe, we need to know who is here and with proper vetted credentials. Every other country in the world has some form of the same system of immigration.

Economically, it is a huge problem. These low skilled workers come here and suppresses the wages at the low end. It also take away jobs from our citizens and our teenagers. Combined, the net effect is to create an underclass in our society. They are exploited by the employers while engaged in a cash society or used a false identity. They maybe using a stolen social security number and paying FICA into the system but never ever receive the benefits down the road.

So, the issue is a complex one. There are more than two views. Progressives have a hard time understanding it. It is so easy to just take the default position and demonize the other side. It makes them feel good and superior, more compassionate and caring.

On Abortion Rights

Progressives take the view that abortion is a right of the women who has total control over her own body. No law or others especially men, have any say in limiting that choice. They call this Pro Choice, choosing to terminate a pregnancy. The opposite of this is Pro Life. The two are on opposite sides of this issue, A or B. However, ever since the Supreme Court made the ruling back in 1973 with Roe vs. Wade, there is a continuing debate in this country about when abortions should be allowed. That is to say some laws to limit the practice of abortion to a time period, for example during the first trimester. The reason should be clear. Once the fetus grows to a point where it is viable, it is essentially a new human being. It has a different set of DNA than the mother. It may survive outside the womb in as little as 6 months. Aborting a fetus at this stage could be interpreted as killing a life.

In this complex issue, the C can be many other options. One is adoption. There are many couples who cannot conceive on their own but would be happy to adopt a new born.

Our Constitution provides for protection of every citizen and the unborn is considered a life different and distinct from the mother. Medical doctors and advances in medicine show us the way. It is not the sole right of the mother to determine if a fetus is to live or die.

On Taxes and Social Programs

Progressives believe in the State as the solution to all our social and economic ills. That is why they believe in tax and spend as a way of life. They want the state to gather the wealth through progressive taxes, and redistribute them as they see fit in terms of social welfare programs. They fail to recognize that there may be a third or forth alternative.

In the days prior to the great society as proposed by President Lyndon Johnson, America was a smaller government kind of country. We ended World War II as one of the two super powers and we have the greatest military in the world along with nuclear weapons. The great society proposed massive expansion to social security that included many entitlements such as housing subsidies, food stamps and medicaid healthcare... These programs were designed to help the poor and the disabled and the one’s that fell below the poverty line. It was suppose to be a safety net but it went way above and beyond what was necessary.

In hindsight, it was a mistake. We allowed the government to take over what used to be a private affair. In those days prior, families help out other members when they were faced with financial difficulty. The local churches and synagogues provide soup kitchens, Many private charities that are tax exempt provided many of the social services. People helped their neighbors in time of disaster.

In the aftermath of the great society experiment, most people decided to sit it out. They defer the assistance to these federal programs instead of taking an active roll. This over time have had a major impact on our approach to community and church and religion and social responsibility.

The progressives had a dual agenda. First, remove God from the public square using the courts. Second, replace it with the State which will be the savior from cradle to grave. Big brother knows best. They will provide us with all our needs. In return, we will worship at the altar of Statism Instead of at our churches.

The way they brought this about is by way of increasing progressive taxes and spending even more and putting us on a path of never ending deficits. This insure them the power over us. It was never the intent of our founders. They were afraid of an all powerful government controlled by a handful of bureaucrats.

Conservatives are the last holdout against this encroachment of our freedom and liberties. When you loose control over your finances, you loose your freedom.

Summary

Progressives have a binary view of some complex issues. They have only one solution or often they frame a problem into one of two solutions...theirs or a bad alternative. They either fail to recognize or in some cases deliberately avoid the possibility of other solutions. One that does not require a big government program.

This content is accurate and true to the best of the author’s knowledge and is not meant to substitute for formal and individualized advice from a qualified professional.

© 2019 Jack Lee

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    • wba108@yahoo.com profile image

      wba108@yahoo.com 

      3 months ago from upstate, NY

      Eric Dierker- I think I get it, I think I know where you're coming from :)

    • Ericdierker profile image

      Eric Dierker 

      3 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      We are in full agreement of the need for a moral compass set by God. Those who operate "independent" of our creator are simply a swamp of reptiles. If not for a cause of the whole of right and wrong we are ships without captains or rudders.

      On the other hand I kind of like my adversaries that way ;-)

    • tsadjatko profile image

      3 months ago from now on

      I have to agree with that Jack. Without a holy creator anything goes. Who is to say what is right and what is wrong? By what authority?

      The only answer is “right is might” of course. That’s why everything they do is aimed at acquiring power in any way that they can.

    • Ericdierker profile image

      Eric Dierker 

      3 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      T it is in a sense binary. Perhaps not what is meant here. They young ones who could not get a job now have them. That is just a black and white fact. They are working and not hanging out getting high or whatever it is these days.

      So I am suggesting that the binary is going both ways now. Of course Jack was not speaking in absolute terms here. And neither are the folks that have moved out of tenements because they now have income.

    • jackclee lm profile imageAUTHOR

      Jack Lee 

      3 months ago from Yorktown NY

      T, maybe not all but I do believe it is part of the progressive psyche. They don’t believe in a higher power and they worship at the feet of humanism. That is why they are more open to these insane ideas. When you reject that God created human nature, you become like god in your own mind.

    • tsadjatko profile image

      3 months ago from now on

      Sorry guys but you are way off.

      Jack do you really think progressives honestly believe there are more than two sexes? This is only a recent thing, for decades no progressive ever espoused such idiocy! Not until they realized they with the help of the media could use it as an issue to create anarchy and more importantly one more thing they can use to say anyone who opposes the idea is simply a bigot, a white supremacist or religious nut!

      Just like every issue they wade into, it’s never about solving a problem it’s about sewing hatred for the right. Creating a characterization of the right with the help of the “progressive” media which is a lie.

    • jackclee lm profile imageAUTHOR

      Jack Lee 

      3 months ago from Yorktown NY

      Wba108, you are absolutely correct. On some issues, progressives are making things complicated such as gender. We know from biology that there are only 2 sexes male and female. Yet, progressives claim there are all these other genders which may exist in nature and in the mind of some but are not the norm. By elevating them to equal status, is when we run into trouble. Life is conpcated enough without having kids growing up not knowing about or confused about the basics of gender.

    • wba108@yahoo.com profile image

      wba108@yahoo.com 

      3 months ago from upstate, NY

      Eric Dierker- I'm sure Jack acknowledges exceptions to his binary theory but his main point I feel is valid. When discussing hot button issues such as abortion and illegal immigration, the liberal media or liberals, in general, often use simplistic straw men arguments to demonize conservative views rather than actually debating the real issues.

      "They Black kids down the block have dissipated. They have jobs. Our section eight housings are looking for tenants and not kicking them out."

      Not sure what you're getting at here?

    • tsadjatko profile image

      3 months ago from now on

      I think I need to make clear that when I said “It was” I wasn’t replying to Jack’s comment, Eric.

      I was actually answering yours, which was

      “That is just danged rude T”

    • Ericdierker profile image

      Eric Dierker 

      3 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      WBA let me address this more normally. I live in a total binary political state (not my my mind but California). So we are do democrat it is ridiculous. On the other-hand our life here is great for us common folk. Of course we bemoan our taxes (my wife an H&R tax accountant.}. And we vote against the curve.

      They Black kids down the block have dissipated. They have jobs.Our section eight housings are looking for tenants and not kicking them out.

      It is not binary at all. What the feds do and what my state does is a mix and match. Even our pot growing and immigrant issues are not binary they are gray.

      So if I meet someone rally just about one point of conclusion I roll my eyes. "Dude it is not black and white".

      Maybe that is more down to earth.

    • Ericdierker profile image

      Eric Dierker 

      3 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      You guys are great. I think friends for over 5 years now. xcuse me now to address the issues.

    • tsadjatko profile image

      3 months ago from now on

      It was.

    • jackclee lm profile imageAUTHOR

      Jack Lee 

      3 months ago from Yorktown NY

      I thought that was a compliment...haha

    • Ericdierker profile image

      Eric Dierker 

      3 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      That is just danged rude T

    • tsadjatko profile image

      3 months ago from now on

      “Not sure what you're trying to say?”

      A common reply to Eric’s comments. Apparently we are not evolved enough to reason on his level.

    • jackclee lm profile imageAUTHOR

      Jack Lee 

      3 months ago from Yorktown NY

      California is a prime example of progressives gone amok...it is an incubator for progressive ideals of tax and spend...

      They only see two color, black and brown...not grey.

    • wba108@yahoo.com profile image

      wba108@yahoo.com 

      3 months ago from upstate, NY

      Eric Dierker- Not sure what you're trying to say? Is it partly that you remain a progressive but do not hold overly simplistic views of conservative positions? And that you'll try anything on its own merits if you think it works, conservative or progressive ideas?

    • Ericdierker profile image

      Eric Dierker 

      3 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      This is great. I am watching so many change from binary applications. "I agree with this but I have a good job". Feeding your children better is not binary. My household is still on the fence. But we are enhanced by one and hurt by the other.

      Out here is So. Cal. it is brutal. Better jobs and jobs for migrants, African Americans and Latinos. Not to mention women. Yet to date we remain progressive. It is not binary.

    • wba108@yahoo.com profile image

      wba108@yahoo.com 

      3 months ago from upstate, NY

      Possibly the reason for the progressive binary view is that they tend to not be familiar with the views and supporting facts presented by conservatives. Whereas conservatives are generally more aware of progressive views because of its exposure in media and education.

      T also has a valid point, and that is that the left doesn't put a very high value on truth and will often lie to meet their goals.

      Some other reasons that the illegal immigration issue is important are the preservation and respect for the rule of law and the manipulation of illegal immigrants from poor countries with the promise of government assistance which of course favors the liberal big-government welfare state.

    • tsadjatko profile image

      3 months ago from now on

      Jack, giving the “progressives” the benefit of the doubt that they even have a binary view of any issue is a joke.

      Their view of any issue is never a truthful view. All they do is try to paint any issue in a way that condemns conservatives and benefits giving power (power comes in gov’t control or votes) to them.

      Plain and simple, they are liars!

      If you want to call that binary ok but to even entertain the idea that they ever view an issue purely to assess an honest assessment or solution is just ridiculous!

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