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So What Has Happened To The Proposed Civil Discourse?

Updated on January 28, 2012

Proving To Be Empty Words Once Again...

Yeah that's me - The Frog wears a white hat during this hub and it isn't meant as a flag of truce during my latest musings. A brief stroll down memory lane before we get into the meat of the subject here. Remember when Representative Giffords took a bullet in Tucson back in January of this year? How can one ever forget such a tragic event perpetrated by a deranged madman? There was much hullabaloo from the left wing media that he was a Tea Party advocate, right wing hooligan, blah, blah, blah... None of which turned out to be true.

Smirkslot (my pet name for Obama in case you haven't noticed) got his usual air time and called for the use of civil discourse in these troubling times in our nation. Before we continue, please view the video about the use of civil discourse by "The Great Uniter," someone he claimed he would be at the time he was campaigning. This is step one in understanding my thought process in penning this missive

That isn't exactly him, at his best, using civil discourse to unite this nation. Actually, it seems to be the talk of a community organizer fanning the flames of discontent with his left wing, adoring followers, which I find hardly presidential in caliber. The man loves the camera, probably not as much as he loves his teleprompter, but it's a close race. He seized an opportunity with this tragic event to try to make himself look good anew about uniting this nation under a more civil banner as events progress. Maybe he should take a look at the video and reflect how his lack of civility at times when he speechifies isn't a good role model to follow. But it sounded good none-the-less.

Then I reflect on the current budget impasse and the war of words that seems to be swirling in Foggy Bottom. "The Republicans this, the Republicans that" mantra seems to, at times, over shadow a critical component of this debate, and it is the message that the majority of Americans sent to him when we shellacked his party in November of 2010 and gave the appropriation of our tax dollars back to a more reasonable, less progressive House of Representatives. One part of the message is rather simple - stop all the excessive spending that was done during his first two years in office, cut the size and scope of the federal bureaucracy and run the government using a balanced budget concept. Many of us try to run our households under that principle. The message seems to be lost on this President, Harry Reid, and various other Democratic minions on the left. How can he not wrap his head around such a simple concept?

An integral part of "civil discourse" in a democracy, to me anyway, is listening and understanding the message that the majority is sending you. You might not like it but the will of the people should be paramount to what you personally think is in their best interests. We send them there to do our will, not theirs. Easy enough to understand if you view the intent of our founding fathers in the proper context as they crafted the US Constitution, something about "We, the People..." comes to mind. The battle of the budget is just getting started and I'm not one who believes it will necessarily be surrounded by the use of "civil discourse." Here's another clip by an Obama Zombie using "civil discourse" in solving problems. This guy needs to be muzzled. His rant is so disjointed that I had to ask myself if there are really American citizens out here who elect idiots like this to represent them. This is almost as outrageous as Alan Grayson's rant (he got dumped) that Republicans "want you to die quickly" during the health care debates. Congress seems to have its share of loons on the loose even to this day.

So far, I have been building up to Wisconsin and what we have been witnessing there, as of late, in the civil discourse arena. I am an active Tea Party member and I fully understand what we are about - less government, less regulation, less spending, lower taxes, and making America great again. We seemed to have slid a bit. Having attended 912, I can attest that it was rather civil in comparison to what I recently witnessed by left wing, union goons in Madison, Wisconsin. Let me add that we were also civil enough to clean up after ourselves. I'm sure you saw all the civility that was on display there and how tidy they were as they ransacked the Capitol building. Right?

The legitimate players there, the educators, were out numbered by the union goons who were bused in by organization such as and another fostered by Obama, the civil discourser, called Organizing For America. These were "paid" protesters who were there to do no more than agitate the situation. So much for his theory of civil discourse in getting things done once again. Nobody had to pay me a dime to attend 912 nor bus me into the event at 912. Civil disobedience was on open display by the union thugs. Did you notice? Here is another video about the types of civil discourse, as defined by union goons and, in one case, a Representative from the state of Massachusetts. It is rather disturbing and if these people are teaching our children in Wisconsin then we are in deep kimchee. However, what I think I watched were paid union goons who were bused in to roil the waters.

So my advice, President Smirky, based upon what I have witnessed since you called for civil discourse when Representative Giffords was shot is to maybe get your own house in order first so that the rest will fall into place. Not once have I heard the man condemn the violence that was witnessed in Wisconsin. Not once have I heard the man call out the union goons for their unacceptable conduct. Did I expect him too? As a citizen, yes as I did. As a realist, I knew better. That class of people are part of his base and he desperately doesn't want to upset his base between now and November of 2012.

But rest assured, Mr. President, that those of us who are law abiding, working Americans who don't expect to be catered to will not forget what we have been witnessing during your tenure. Your words, actions, involvement or non-involvement are all being captured on tape. What you say, obviously, isn't always what we get. Think about packing your bags now and vacating The People's House. We own it, you're just a temporary tenant. God Bless America. We need it. The Great Uniter has proven himself to be The Great Divider.


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      The Frog Prince 7 years ago from Arlington, TX

      izetti - In the future I will write a Hub concerning what you speak of. It's as obvious as the nose on people's faces. Thanks for an excellent comment.

      The Frog

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      Laura Izett 7 years ago from The Great Northwest

      Good hub. Interestingly, I saw the trait of "narcissism" being used by a commenter- well let me tell you why it's interesting. Before Obama's election I didn't know anything about politics. I started watching the campaigning and I recognized narcissism in Obama and I remember saying to myself "uh-oh. If he get's elected we'll be in trouble". Since I had no political knowledge, I was only going on gut, the fact that my dad is very narcissitic, and my past studying psychology. Based on Obama's traits alone, I did not want him elected. After he was elected, I started learning about politics. Right about the time "themanwithnopants" did as well and we've been educating ourselves since- we grew up in politics together. Well, that's my story, but I would hope others had picked up on that too and I was surprised our country didn't. The one phrase I find myself using about him is "he thinks he's above the law" and I knew that he would because of his personaltiy.

      I smirk a lot (a habit) and often times it's because I'm planning ten things ahead unbeknownst to everyone around me so I recognize that in Obama. My brain just works too fast. Not saying it's a good or bad sign, but it's a sign. I don't plot the collapse of a country or system,but you get the idea. It's an "I know something you don't know" sign.Kind of scary when the guy is in charge of the country.

      Narcissitic personality disorder: excessively preoccupied with issues of personal adequacy, power, prestige and vanity.

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      The Frog Prince 7 years ago from Arlington, TX

      50 Caliber - It's always a pleasure to see you drop in and thanks.

      The Frog

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      50 Caliber 7 years ago from Arizona

      Frog, that last statement pretty well covered my comment and the drift I got from this article, peace 50

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      The Frog Prince 7 years ago from Arlington, TX

      Hi Dave! Good to see you. What I do understand is that the mud slinging needs to stop and the rubber needs to meet the road or this nation is going to go bankrupt.

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      dvines1951 7 years ago

      Well written Frog.You do understand that when the left is screaming and hollering at the conservatives it is only because we are too stupid to see the "Big Picture" and they have to try and help us.

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      Stu From VT 7 years ago

      As per one of your other hubs, Oblabber is flip-flopping again. He talks about "healing the divide," but his actions clearly widen it. Obama thrives on divides. In fact, his whole Alinskyite political strategy is founded on creating divides where they didn't exist in the past.

      And Weiner is acting, well, like a weiner. The defunding of NPR may have been instigated by some faux-pas's on their side, but the broader issue is that we have a public debt crisis. Non-essential programs and agencies, especially those that do harm, must be defunded. Eventually, to close the budget gap and pay off the official national debt, all existing federal powers in violation of the Tenth Amendment will have to be defunded. We simply don't have a choice. Individual states that want the eliminated services can choose to provide them via their own taxing power. A laudatory side effect here is that powers stolen from the states and the people will be returned.

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      The Frog Prince 7 years ago from Arlington, TX

      Will - I was referring to your experiences before Hub pages. Been there, done that and won't go back under any circumstances.

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      WillStarr 7 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      No, I was attacked for my replies to Hubs. I was called a liar (twice).

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      The Frog Prince 7 years ago from Arlington, TX

      Tom - Maybe soon I'll do a Hub about Obama and his narcissistic personality disorder. One of the traits is that one likes to hear themselves talk. He needs to use those big ears more to listen while his pie hole is closed.

      Jim - I'll stay tuned for that Hub.

      David - Most conservative bloggers have been attacked by left wing morons on more than one occasion. It means they have lost the debate and that's when I shut them down.

      Will - See my reply above to David. I can almost bet you I can name two of the forums where you were attacked and the management stood by watching with a wink and a nod. I won't do that here though. Personal attacks are a sign of a pea brain residing betwixt one's ears.

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      WillStarr 7 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Before HubPages, I spent quite a bit of time on a couple of political forums and the left there consistently initiated almost all of the personal attacks.

      I have been personally attacked twice here on HubPages, both times by ardent leftists. Both were snarky morons who had no idea that their arguments were obviously flawed and invalid.

      A personal attack in lieu of a cogent argument simply tells me I have won the debate.

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      Writer David 7 years ago from Mobile, AL

      With the liberal left-wing, civil discourse is when you agree with them. Personal attacks are during those times you disagree with them. The Democrats, to their credit, did not show to be hypocrites when the President called for civil discourse. They continued with their blatant attacks despite Rep. Giffords being severely wounded and a nine-year old child being murdered. They tried to even score political points while the bodies were still warm. The most telling point during the Tucson shootings? The liberals "outed" themselves. The American people saw them for what they are; a bunch of self-serving, zealots who will stoop to any level to push their agenda on the American people. Excellent hub! Glad to be following you.

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      TheManWithNoPants 7 years ago from Tucson, Az.

      By the time politicians or entertainers reach the highest levels, they've lost the ability to be in touch or relate to the common person. There are a few exceptions here and there of course. Hussein and Mike (Michele) have taken this to a higher level than I've seen. I'm going to do a hub on this very thing. I call it the "Nero Condition." These people become isolated in their little world at the top, and honestly feel that the rules don't apply to them.

      One of the things on the agenda of "The Housefire Project" ( is to make sure that Hussein and Mike leave the White House in 2012, but we'd better make damn sure that who ever we replace them with doesn't suffer from the same condition.

      Well written. Thumbs up and useful.


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      tom hellert 7 years ago from home


      hit the nail on the head and drove it deep into the 2x4. great writing But the problem isn't with his ears-they hear fine its the ego between them thats the problem. he is delusional- he thinks his$hhh!t don't stink and that is the issue he and his ivy league education that he can't find a diploma certificate for his time in college- lets not even get into certificates....


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      The Frog Prince 7 years ago from Arlington, TX

      cjv - One of the traits of a narcissistic personality is not using your ears more than your mouth. He does have rather big ears. I suggest he learn how to use them more and his alligator mouth less.

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      Carol 7 years ago from Michigan

      Don't forget Mr. Smirksalot also never stops blaming the Bush administration for everything, absolutely everything.

      And where was Pelosi with her "this is an astro turf group" comments with regard to the bussed in, paid union organizers and lying teachers who showed up on "sick" leave. How quickly we forget the doctor in the crowd handing out phony sick excuses. Why lying thieves they are! Those teachers should have been immediately fired (can't because of the convoluted union laws that Walker is trying to overturn) and that Dr. should lose any ability to practice medicine.

      I so agree with you, Mr. Obama needs to have someone button his lips. Every time he opens his mouth he says something utterly stupid. The problem with him though is - he does and doesn't do things that also humiliate us as American citizens. So just zipping his lips isn't going to solve our problem. He MUST be voted out in 2012 if his past doesn't get him impeached before that. I can only hope some rumored scandals come to light to get him out of office sooner than that via IMPEACHMENT.

      Great observations and well written at that!