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The Bigger Story Behind this Election of 2016

Updated on March 10, 2017

Introduction

I know everyone is focused on the election of President Trump at the moment. The bigger story of the election is not being addressed. Let me share it with you. It may put some perspective on everything else.

- Nov. 2016


What is the Bigger Story?

A GOP sweep of all levels of government. Yes, is that a surprise to you all?

I had predicted this months ago. As a Conservative and a Cruz supporter, I rejected both candidates of Trump and Clinton and decided early to sit out this election. I voted but did not choose the top of the ticket.

As predicted, the GOP had a sweep of the House, the Senate and even the Presidency. Even more, local and State elections as well. I will go into some detail later.

Why is this happening? The country is ripe for change of a different order. The last 8 years under President Obama have not succeeded and the American people instinctively and collectively knew it.

This movement did not happen overnight. It started with the 2010 election, where the House was taken over by the GOP after the passing of the ACA. In 2014 the Senate majority went to the GOP and now in 2016, the GOP has won control of all 3 parts of government.

Those of us who has been following politics very closely are not surprised. That is why even before the primaries were over, I predicted a Republican landslide regardless of who is the nominee.

2016 Election Map by Counties

The Local Election Results

Governors - Of the 50 States, there are now 32 GOP governors vs. 17 Democrats and 1 Independent.

State Legislatures - Check this summary of the 2017 results.

Most shocking - there are only 4 States with a majority of Democrats of both Governor and State legislatures. (Rhode Island, Hawaii, California and Colorado).


The Big Question is WHY?

Most people are not political. They live their lives and keep to themselves and avoid controversy such as politics and religion. Come election time, most people vote based on two parts, emotions and pocketbook. If they have an emotional connection to a candidate, that is a huge plus. The other is the economy. If the people feel that the economy is good and jobs are secure, opportunity abounds and their personal prospect for making more money is good, they will more than likely vote to keep the same government in power. If the opposite is true, they will vote for change.

Ultimately, the person most responsible for the results of this election is not Trump but President Obama. It is the progressive policies that he implemented via laws and executive orders that created the condition for a sweep by the GOP. This is my personal opinion.

As it turned out, the best thing that happened to the GOP was the election of Barack Obama in 2008.

The Insiders...vs. Conservatives

Ever since the Reagan presidency (1980-1988), we have not had a Conservative in either party. This election was positioned as a competition between two parties (Democrats and Republicans) but it was really a competition between the insiders of Washington DC and the outsiders of government. The insiders being Clinton, and outsider Sanders on the Democratic side. On the GOP side, the insiders of Jeb Bush and Kasich and Christie and Rubio... and outsiders of Trump, Carson, Fiorina and Cruz.

It was also about the donor class the likes of Soros, Kochs, Goldman Sachs... Some have donated huge amount to both parties to win favors. I heard estimate of $2 billion dollars for the Clinton machine.

The other false narrative is that it was an election between the moderates on the Democratic side and the Conservatives on the Republican side. That is too simplistic and here is why. Most Republican insiders(Ryan and McConnell) are not Conservative. In fact, they actually attack the conservative candidates of Cruz and Carson. And in fact, Donald Trump is not and was not a Conservative. He was a Democrat and an independent before becoming a moderate Republican recently.

Lessons...

One important lesson for all of us is not to rely on hearsay for facts. That advice goes for both side of the political spectrum. In this modern environment of social media and the internet, anything goes. Just because you find it with google does not make it true. And as we've learned from this election, some of the largest tech companies are playing game with information. Facebook, Google, Twitter, Amazon and a few others are trying to influence public opinion.

Healing

I realize this election was especially emotional for many people. Many are truly affected in a deep and real way. Some people have expressed that their faith was shaken to the core. Some have experienced true depression and have trouble getting out of bed.

How do we begin to heal as a nation divided?

  • Take some time alone to reflect
  • Don't demonize the other side
  • Start a dialog and debate issues on their merits
  • Agree to disagree and move on
  • Work for and support candidates you believe in going forward

Moving Forward

The election is over but the hard work is just beginning. I have written in the past that regardless who is elected in 2016, our country will be faced with many dire problems. The major one being our national debt of over $20 trillion.

The following is a two page contract that Donald Trump made with the American Voter. I, for one, will be watching and seeing what is actually accomplished before holding judgement.

Trump's Contract with America

Future of the Democratic Party

The Democratic party is in disarray right now. It is in the same position as the GOP after the election of Barack Obama in 2008. It will recover and come back. It will take time and some introspection. We need both parties to keep our elected officials on their toes. A one party dominate government is never good. “Power tends to corrupt,” said Lord Acton, the 19th-century British historian. “Absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

Winners and Losers

The winners in this election cycle for the most part of the people outside of government. Wikileaks played an important role.

The big losers were the Media, the pollsters, the political pundits, Hollywood celebrities that supported Hillary, Academics in Universities and career government bureaucrats.

The revelations of Wikileaks cannot be under estimated. It exposes corruption at all levels. They did the job of the Media which was their mandate from our Constitution. I am hoping that the media will make a comeback. I won't hold my breath.

The 10 Commandments was Right

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor - 8th Commandment.

Lying is one of the most damaging aspects of life. That is why we teach our children from very young to tell the truth. That is why our court system rely on truth testimony to exonerate the innocent and punish the guilty. That is why it is on the top 10 list of God.

So who lied?

The media including the New York Times. They recently had to issue an apology to their readers. Their biased coverage and moreover, their arrogance in their support of Hillary actually hurt the process. How? They gave their readers a false sense of confidence that Hillary was going to win. So much so that many voters did not come out in the same numbers for Obama in 2012. There were over 5 million fewer votes on the Democratic side.

Summary

A week after the election, I hope cool heads will prevail. Our Democratic process is not perfect but it is the only game in town. People who were disappointed in the results should reflect and work towards the next election. What did they do wrong and how can they improve next time around?

For the people who were voted in, I for one will hold them to their words. They are expected to deliver on their promise or risk getting voted out next time. That is how it should work. Not what one say but what one does is the ultimate measure.

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    • Dont Taze Me Bro profile image

      Banned cause of pissants promisem and deantraylor 8 months ago from TWO OF THE MANY LYING LIB CRYBABIES OF HUB PAGES

      I wish most Americans gave the kind of thought to things like this election that you do Jack. If they did we'd have a more informed electorate. Thanks for the great information and insights.

      It is amazing how the Democrat party has virtually lost all of America starting from the day Obama was elected. When you consider now that only 4 (5 if u count a tie legislature) state legislatures and governorships out of 50 states (not 57) are owned by the Democrats, on a local level, that's the grass roots, they've virtually lost governing, and now the presidency, congress and the supreme court yet they act like it's the Republicans who are on the way out! And they've done it all to themselves. When Trump turns the tide on the travesty Obama has made of the problems for blacks even they will no longer vote Democrat just give it time.

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      Jack Lee 8 months ago from Yorktown NY

      DTMB, Thanks. I think the next wave of change will be large cities like NYC and Detroit and Chicago and Cleveland... These Democratic controlled cities have failed their constituents year after year and their days are numbered. In NYC, mayor DeBlasio has been a disaster and the quality of life has definitely changed for the worse.

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      Readmikenow 8 months ago

      You made an excellent analysis of the election results. Politics is like a pendulum. When you swing the political force too far one way, it will come back with equal strength the other way. The last eight years have been very liberal and now its going to be conservative. It would be nice if the political pendulum didn't move so much in both directions. Excellent work.

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      Paul Richard Kuehn 8 months ago from Udorn City, Thailand

      Thanks for sharing an excellent analysis of election results. Like you I am a conservative leaning Republican who supported Donald Trump. If this election was a repudiation of President Obama's 8 years in office, why do the polls show him with an approval rating of over 50 percent? I would say the polls are wrong just like the media was wrong about the election. I am sharing this with HP followers and on Facebook.

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      Jack Lee 8 months ago from Yorktown NY

      Mike and Paul, Thanks for the positive feedback. Just a correction, I did not support Trump for President and wanted Cruz or Carson. Being a conservative, I did predict it was going to be a GOP year.

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      John D Wilson 8 months ago from Earth

      jacklee,

      Interesting take on the election. I can understand why you came to your conclusions.

      I'd say the GOP is in disarray, too. Remember how many GOP elite were against Trump, all the way to election night.

      This to me is the turning point of America.

      Will the media change it's bias?

      There's no incentive for them to do so. I don't see MSNBC touting any conservative causes - like freedom of speech on the internet, giving abortion back the the states, repealing obamacare.

      Is the DNC going to change their flagrant bias in the next primary?

      Again, what's their incentive? They got away with it this time with no repercussions, why not do it again?

      The exposure of the corruption by Wikileaks was quite enlightening, but do you see protests over that? I haven't seen any.

      I knew long ago that the corruption ran deep in Congress and most sections of the government. But, I do not see any protests over that...

      What I see are disgruntled mental midgets complaining about a loss.

      I see little anger over the money laundering at the Clinton Foundation, the lies that hillary killary told while running for president, the collusion of the DNC in primaries, the lies from the mainstream media, and should I go on? LOL

      The GOP was just as shameful. Their base chose a candidate, and the elite of the GOP turned their backs on those that make up their party. The elite of the GOP basically raised their middle finger to those that backed Trump.

      The GOP swept for 2 reasons:

      1) The dislike of the democrat's socialist platform, their pushing of BLM and LBGT down the throats of Americans. (Live and let live is fine, but don't try and tell us deviant behavior is "normal" -as in a man has a right to go into a ladies bathroom)

      2) And because of Trump.

      The GOP "platform" wasn't there - it was Trump and that huge dislike of the Democrat's platform.

      I wouldn't be surprised, if Trump is popular as President, that he doesn't run in a party outside the GOP and the Democrats. He could easily do that if his "chutzpah" carries over for the next 4 years.

      I personally didn't think Americans had it in them to change the direction of obama. But they surprised everyone.

      It will be up to the people, it always is.

      Does Trump allow people to get back to business, being productive and go forward?

      Or do special interests get the "Trump train" off track and the corruption, lies and deceit continue on for the rest of America's future?

      Only time will tell.

      I hope Trump is as good in government as he was in business. If he is, then America still has a fighting chance of freedom and privacy for it's citizens.

      I'll take the "Don't tell me, show me" route. So I await Trumps "show"!

      Keep on writing good articles, jacklee!

      Cheers

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      Jack Lee 8 months ago from Yorktown NY

      Claptona, thanks for providing your views. I agree it is a wake up call for all.

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      My Esoteric 8 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      JackC. Your statement "A GOP sweep of all levels of government." is hyperbole on the face of it. Ds Gained seats in the House and the Ds Gained seats in the Senate, just not as many as they had hoped. Those are indisputable facts.

      Also a fact is that the plurality of voters chose Clinton, 2,000,000 and counting as a matter of fact. While elections aren't and, in my opinion, should not be based on the popular vote, the fact is Clinton won considerably more votes than Trump.

      The size of that margin starts lending weight that electronic voting systems might have been manipulated, just as Trump feared they would be.

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      Jack Lee 8 months ago from Yorktown NY

      My analysis cover the last few election cycles. How do explain the Clinton loss in this election if she won the popular vote?

      Which part of my analysis, in specific, is wrong in your opinion?

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      Jean Bakula 7 months ago from New Jersey

      Hello Jack,

      Although I think you tried to be fair in both hubs on the election, it's true each side sees issues in a different light.

      I think because Obama is black, he didn't want to be just known as "the black president" and so didn't do as much as he could for BLM.

      Hillary was never charged, tried or convicted of any of these so called crimes.

      Now Trump is hiring all Washington insiders to fill his cabinet, so he lied to all his followers.

      And he still keeps up the immature tweeting.

      He should have closed Guantanamo, we have tons of high security prisons in the U.S. You can't start to change the power grid without spending money, and Bush left the Presidency in a big whole financially.

      This is a secular country, and the 10 commandments, while good, represent the Evangelicals who want to take our country backwards.

      Still, I hope we can heal as a country and not be so divided. That's the hard part. Thanks for the hard work you put into this hub, though we disagree on a lot of it.

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      Jack Lee 7 months ago from Yorktown NY

      Jean, thanks for checking in. I agree with your last sentiment. We are a divided nation but that doesn't mean both sides can't try and work together for the sake of our nation. I did not support either candidates but I plan to keep an open mind.

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      Jean Bakula 7 months ago from New Jersey

      Amen to that. I'm watching the news and wondering what to think about what some journalists are saying about Trump's Real Estate holdings and wealth. I don't understand Blind Trusts.

      But say a diplomat comes from wherever, of course they will stay in the beautiful Trump Hotel he built around the corner from the White House. And I don't think it's fair if he's made to sell it, he just had the thing built. America never had a President of his wealth or real estate holdings. But he worked hard at it all his life, and it's not right to make him sell it all. They say if his family runs Trump Corp. it gives them too much insider info. Maybe true. But what's the solution?

      I respect his business ability, and really have no idea what should be done. It's like everything is changing. But Trump shouldn't be punished for being successful. This is going to hard.

      Thanks for agreeing to disagree. If we can do it, maybe others can too!

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      Jack Lee 7 months ago from Yorktown NY

      Jean, the blind trust is used all the time in politics. When a wealthy individual take office, all his assets including his properties are put into a trust. A person is assigned to oversee it and make all the investment decisions. This way, there would be no conflict of interest when the politician makes certain decisions that may affect his holdings.

      With regard to his business, he has said he intend to transfer all power to his children. They will make all the decisions for that part. This is not new. As long as he stick to his oath, it should work out. I also heard he intend to skip his salary of 400k, he doesn't need it. I am waiting to see who he appoints as his Cabinet. That will be telling if he really means business of clearing Washington of the insiders...

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      John D Wilson 7 months ago from Earth

      The key to thing to remember about government is this - Government's sole purpose is to negate freedoms of the citizens. There's no other reason for it.

      Trump is not going to change things that much. It's engrained in the American system to have corruption and unconstitutional mandates. It's the nature of the beast.

      Unless we get an informed citizenry that actually wants freedom and the nastiness that comes with it, the citizens will always lose.

      When they only riot and protest when they don't get their way, it's the sign of an ignorant electorate.

      The time to have rioted was when the banks got bailed out.

      When the bankers were allowed to pay fines instead of being sent to jail, that was also a sign that D.C. had sold out.

      If Trump actually does do the 1 regulation for every two rescinded - maybe there's hope.

      But, I'm not holding my breath.

      Trump has realized that only those that infest the swamp are able to understand it. Will the hep in draining it? Time will tell.

      Again, not holding my breath.

      I think it's too late. We're watched 24/7 by NSA, we're told what to do by the government from the time we get up until we go to bed.

      When the government passes over 3,000 new laws and regulations in 1 year, it ain't to enhance our freedoms, it's to take them away.

      Will that change with Trump? Do the citizens of the U.S. really want that?

      I'll give Trump a chance.

      But, me thinks the brainwashing and the socialist wishes of most citizens in America don't give Trump much of a chance.

      We shall see, shan't we?

      As Mark Twain said, "If voting made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it"

      And I will believe that until I actually see freedoms for the American people being restored.

      You have faith in government, jackclee, I do not.

      Again, and I'll stick with the statement - the government's sole purpose is to negate freedom.

      I'll take my chances with messy freedom vs. the safe socialistic garbage that's being touted in D.C..

      I hope your right, jack, but I have little faith in regards to the American Government doing things to enhance my freedoms.

      Keep on writing good articles!

      Cheers

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      My Esoteric 7 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Claptona wrote - "The key to thing to remember about government is this - Government's sole purpose is to negate freedoms of the citizens. There's no other reason for it." - Does this mean you are an anarchist?

      What happens when someone kills your loved one while you are away? Who finds the killer and with what tools?

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      Jack Lee 7 months ago from Yorktown NY

      My esoteric, I don't agree on that statement but I do subscribe to the concept of a limited government. When in doubt, go to the Constitution. Providing for national defense and maitainimg law and order are such legitimate functions of government. However, tell people what types of bulbs to use in their home is an over reach and an infringement of our rights. There is a spread of these concepts as to what role government should play... Given the choice, I would side with less government in most cases.

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      Roberto 7 months ago

      "Government's sole purpose is to negate freedoms of the citizens. There's no other reason for it."~Claptona

      That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard if you are referring to the constitutional government of the United States. What elected leaders do that is unconstitutional or to get around or suppress the freedoms guaranteed by our constitution has nothing to d o with our government's purpose. You are confusing the two. Have you not heard of the bill of rights?

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      John D Wilson 7 months ago from Earth

      Let's use some common sense.

      As it states in the Constitution, the Government enacts laws so that society can live in harmony.

      Whether it's stealing or killing someone, that's against the law - and that's a good thing.

      But, taken literally, it's still limiting your freedoms - you can't kill and you can't steal, without some sort of punishment from the Government

      Should the government tell you that you should wear a seatbelt - or face fines and jail. What right does the government have to do that?

      What right does the government have to tell me I can't smoke a joint when at the same time I can get blasted on booze?

      What right does the government have in requiring you to get approval on who you're going to marry?

      What right does the government have to store electronic data on all citizens of the U.S. in a $5 billion facility in Utah?

      There's common sense laws, and then their are laws in place just to control citizens.

      IRS targeting conservative groups is a good example of the law being used to control.

      Civil forfeiture is another - the government can take you money without accusing you of a crime.

      When you have the government issuing 3,000 new laws and regulations in 1 year, it's not to enhance the freedoms of it's citizens. It's a usurpation of power to control the citizens of the U.S.

      Government is an entity that always needs to be held in check - and in my opinion, it contempt.

      When was the last time the government said, "We're passing a law to make you more free"?

      Laws are always passed under the guise of protecting us or making us safer - never, ever is it to enhance our freedoms.

      Think about it - what can you do once you awaken that does not have the governments sticky, greedy fingers on it?

      Name one thing you touch that is not some how or in some way controlled by the government.

      All citizens of the world are controlled the moment we wake up until we go to bed.

      But that is NOT what the government, at least in the U.S., was intended to be. It was supposed to be a limited entity, with limited power controlled by the states and the citizens.

      We've lost our way, and I don't think we'll ever find our way back to what the founders wanted in a government.

      It certainly is not the convoluted mess that we have in D.C.

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      Jack Lee 7 months ago from Yorktown NY

      I agree for the most part but consider this. What point does your liberty ends and my begin? That is the struggle. Take seat belts laws as a prime example. It is one of the prudent regulations to protect all of us and it comes under the "promote the general welfare..." If you get into your car and crashes in a tree and become invalid because you didn't wear a seat belt, who will take care of you for the rest of your life? It falls to the State and that means all of us with our taxes... If we can enact some rules to prevent or reduce such scenario, though with some limits to individual freedom, it is a good trade off.

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      John D Wilson 7 months ago from Earth

      That's the difficulty, jack.

      "promote the federal welfare" includes the seat belt law - interesting. I guess we have to agree to disagree.

      Again, the main reason for government is to negate the freedoms of citizens.

      How much is the government allowed to negate the freedoms of the citizens?

      And is "freedom" what people want today or is it, as the protestors seek, a "democratic socialism" like they have in Europe?

      And Europe is as close to dictatorial as one can get without being classified as a dictatorship.

      The struggle for freedom never ends, even in these here United States!

      Cheers

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      Jack Lee 7 months ago from Yorktown NY

      small correction for you - it's "promote the general welfare..." It is vague on purpose because they did not want to pin it down to specifics and open to interpretation. I used the seat belt as just one example. You can make a case for requiring liability insurance, drink and drive, illegal drug use..., all these activities, though is free choice on the individual, do have negative societal implications. There are many grey areas as well, such as smoking in a public area outdoors. Some will claim 2nd hand smoke but I am not one of those that believe it. If someone wants to smoke in an outdoor space, it is not the government role to prohibit it. I am not a smoker my self.

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      John D Wilson 7 months ago from Earth

      jack, you're trying to be diplomatic, and I can understand that.

      And a mistype of the "federal welfare" - should actually be "promote the tranquility amongst the citizens" sorry 'bout that. Whoops!!

      In the long run, it's up to people to choose freedom or not.

      From the looks of all the laws (over 3,000 in 2015 alone, with another 2,000 pending) it appears most citizens in the U.S. want to be told what to do by those in government.

      But, one thing to remember - they are NOT our leaders, they're our employees - expected to do what is best for citizens and country.

      For decades I have not seen that nor do I expect to see it any time soon. I will be shocked the day I see the people in D.C. do what's good for citizens and country.

      All I see is power, greed, corruption and a sense of "elitism".

      It became very apparent during and after the election.

      It's a sad day when our elected officials and the mass media consider the average citizen to be a total nitwit and "deplorable".

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      Jack Lee 7 months ago from Yorktown NY

      I agree. How do you suggest we reverse this trend? My contention is to start educating the next generation in conservative principles and the Constitution. The current generation are too set in their ways. You have the baby boomers dependent on social security and vote based on that alone. The current Gen-x are not paying attention and probably not even voting. They are too busy with work and social media and realty tv. The only hope is the new generation of millenials. IMHO

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      John D Wilson 7 months ago from Earth

      You have to remember who controls the education system - it certainly is not the "conservatives".

      The socialists have take a long time to get control of the books and teachings within the school system, they're not going to give it up easily.

      Just like "draining" the swamp, the engrained socialistic ideals of the educational community will not exchange their turf easily nor willingly.

      Me thinks, and this may seem off the wall, that the way to get back to "freedom" is with a sound currency.

      If you look at history, when a country bastardizes it's monetary system like the U.S. did back in '71, the country starts falling morally. Look at the Roman Empire as a prime example. More wars than they could finance, monetary system bastardized, morals of the country and of those elected corrupt to the core.

      I think start with the monetary system, get the banks as a place to save vs. fractional banking and the corruption we have today in the system.

      In reality, I see no hope other than a financial crisis that forces a reset or an open revolt that brings things back to the basics - one taking responsibility for their own lives and corrupt bankers and politicians being thrown in jail similar to what happened in Iceland.

      One of the reasons I left the U.S. is I do not see any of this happening in my lifetime.

      Good exchange of ideas - thanks for the article.

      Cheers,

      John

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      My Esoteric 7 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Jackc, I don't know the answer to this, but has any President ever gone into office owning income producing property without liquidating or selling it?

      Since Trump has no control over what the blind trust does, how's he going to react if he finds out they sold one of his businesses?

      The problem with Trump's business interests is that they will be there for him to take back over when he leaves office. Even if he "turns it over" to his children, the conflict-of-interest problem remains because you are not only allow to enrich yourself while in office, you can't do things t enrich family members unless you enrich it for all.

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      John D Wilson 7 months ago from Earth

      My Esoteric,

      Interesting question. But, I'll let jack answer that one.

      But, I would like to point out that members of Congress (Senators and members of the House) are freely allowed to trade stocks and options on any "inside" information that they get while sitting on any committee.

      For example, Trump wants to increase military strength. So, guns, planes and ammo will probably be ordered. But, a bill to increase the Pentagons budget would have to go through Congress first.

      So, if Congress decides that indeed they will increase the Pentagons budget, before they announce that, they are free to buy stocks and options in the companies that may benefit from that, before they approve the budget increase.

      Now, if you and I did that, it would be illegal - it would be considered trading on inside information. But, Congress, being the greedy little buggers they are, are free to trade on inside info.

      Consider - Ted Cruz's wife works for Goldman Sachs. Pelosi's husband owns a large real estate company. hillary killary's son in law is a hedge fund manger - who probably benefitted from some of the things that she did while Sec. of State.

      To think that politicians aren't gaming the system right now is to be very naive about America politics.

      One of the items in the TARP bailout bill for the banks was that people who structured the bailout could not be sued. Paulson was EX - CEO of Goldman Sachs, one of the beneficiaries of the bailout. Ben Bernanke went to work for a Wall Street firm after leaving as Fed Chairman.

      Eric Holder, who arranged all the fines for the banks - from money laundering to fraud - was an ex lobbyist for the big banks.

      If fact, the lobby firm that he left to become Atty. General left his office vacant for 4 years, waiting for Holder to return. When he was done fining the banks, but not putting anyone in jail, sure enough, he went back to be a lobbyist for all the banks he prosecuted while Atty General.

      So, in short, Trump and his holdings are child's play when you consider what's been going on in D.C. for decades.

      Not saying it's right or wrong giving control of his business to his children, but the real scam's been going on for at least the 40 years I've been watching politics.

      But, good question, and you're right to ask it.

      Cheers

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      Jack Lee 7 months ago from Yorktown NY

      My esoteric, I don't know the answer to that either. I do think a blind trust is just that - blind. Meaning he would have no knowledge of what the investment holdings are (such as stocks of companies, or sector funds...). He cannot profit by decisions that may impact his investments. As far as a company goes, as long as his kids make all the decisions for the company, it should be OK. Once he leave office, he can return to running it if he wish. It is a private company as opposed to a public traded company which would be very different and more strictly regulated...

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      Jean Bakula 7 months ago from New Jersey

      I watched Trump's first Thank You/Victory Tour, and was dismayed. Just because Pence is Gov. of IN, they offered Carrier 7mil to not send all it's company does to Mexico? Companies will all say they want to move if they get a big bonus for staying. There has to be a penalty if they don't keep their word, and agree to stay here for more than the term of the POTUS who makes the deal, maybe 10 yrs.? Plus he still taunted Hillary, and their campaign teams are having bitter fights when normally they review the campaigns to learn from them. Now she's ahead 2.5 mil in the popular vote.

      The conflicts of interest are always there for any of them. I thought if Trump picked Petraeus, he was actually convicted, or put on probation for letting out confidential info to his lover for a book she was writing. Hillary was never convicted of anything, though the taxpayers paid for 8 hearings on Benghazi where they could never find evidence of wrongdoing. The R's behave in such a hypocritical way, and I can't stand watching Kelly Conway and her little girl cutsey pie act, when she's like a venomous shark.

      I'm trying to be fair, but at this point, tonight, when he whipped the crowd into the "lock her up" frenzy, he should have acted like a man and said she fought a good fight, he wished her the best, and told his followers to move forward. He's staring to remind me of Hitler rallies I've seen, and played fast and loose about facts again. Our Nat'l. debt is not as high as he claims, and we are not indiscriminately letting "hordes" of terrorists into the country.

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      Jack Lee 7 months ago from Yorktown NY

      Jean, I hear what you are saying. As a conservative, I am not enthused by the Carrier deal either. It is not the job of government to dictate to a private corporation of what to do... The government can affect business through tax policy and incentives but it should be applied across the board and not dish out favors or special deals to individual business. I don't want to give that kind of power to the President or Congress.

      With regard to Petraeus, I think it is still under consideration and the infraction with confidential documents should be considered but should not disqualify him.

      On the fact the Hillary was not indicted or convicted of a crime is a ruse. She did comit perjury and miss handled confidential information as described by the FBI director. The fact that they choose to not pursue it was a political decision being influenced by the DOJ.

      I will have to disagree with you about the national debt. The 20 trillion dollars is a serious problem. It is probably the single most long term problem affecting you, me and our children and grand children. Each of us owe 62000 as of this moment. The only reason it has not cause a crash is the manipulation of interest rate to near 0%. By the Federal Reserve. Once interest rate is allowed to rise to normal levels, the service of the debt will be disasterous to our budget. I hope you see what I am describing. If your family have racked up that level of debt, you would have to declare bankrupcy. Unfortunately, our country cannot do that. We are stuck with that debt for years to come. It must be addressed now before interest rate rises.

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      Jean Bakula 7 months ago from New Jersey

      It seems the National Debit is different wherever you get the info. To some extent, I believe there is usually one anyway, even if it's manageable?

      The DOJ is what cost HRC the election. Comey should have been forced to step down, not bring up the emails from Benghazi after 8 committess a few days before the election. Plus the young people didn't vote at all after Sanders was out of the race.

      I'm scared of Trump. I agree the deals can't all be like Carrier. Still trying, but it's getting harder. Not your fault though.

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      John D Wilson 7 months ago from Earth

      Actually, the government can declare that it's debts will not be paid.

      It wouldn't be the first time a sovereign nation has reneged on their debt.

      There are currently 11 countries that have missed payments or have renegotiated term with their bondholders.

      A financial debacle would certainly ensue, if the U.S. reneged on it's debt.

      A good example was when the U.S. reneged on the Brent Woods agreement, telling the world they would no longer redeem real money - gold and silver - for U.S. dollar. Hence we had runaway inflation in the 70's.

      Don't ever think that the Federal Bank, which is a privately held company by the largest banks in the U.S., cannot do the unthinkable.

      Look at todays interest rates, and they have never been this low in the history of mankind.

      One of the rules that changed after the bailout of the banks, the Federal Reserve Bank's - which is buying bonds from banks and dabbling in the stock market - losses are now the responsibility of the American taxpayer. You can thank Ben Bernanke and Paulson for those new rules.

      The next thing up is probably a cashless society - where banks will not accept cash from citizens.

      Don't laugh, this is whats' going on in India right now.

      Citibank in Australia does not accept cash nor does it dispense cash at any of it's branches. Sweden is close to doing the same thing.

      It's not a "safety" measure, it allows the government and banks to control the citizens more.

      I'll let you imagine what the government and banks could do in a society where you could not purchase anything without prior approval by the government or the bank.

      We's met the enemy, and they is us.

      1984 is here to stay, and Trump will not be able to stop the infringement on our freedoms.

      He might give it an effort, but there's going to be much more draconian measures before citizens are given back any of their lost freedoms.

      Have a great weekend!

      Cheers

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      Jack Lee 7 months ago from Yorktown NY

      John, you are right on the money. We are headed for disaster. It is uncanny how the Bible predicted this thousand of years ago in Revelations. The mark of the beast will be tagged on the forehead or the hand, in order for one to buy or sell... This is now technically feasible with the RFID chip. I do fear for our nation, in recent years, when we walk away from God, we suffer the removal of his protection.

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      John D Wilson 7 months ago from Earth

      Roberto,

      I feel sorry for ya man.

      If you don't understand the difference between setting up the parameters of a government and those that actually do the governing, well, lets just say that common sense is not so common.

      What other reason is there for government other than to keep the citizens in check?

      Laws against theft, murder, fraud, etc. and of course forcing us to get governmental insurance the way the government tells us enslaved citizens to do.

      The bill of rights was written to ensure that the government that was being formed would have parameters that they would not be allowed to go outside of.

      Fo example, the right for citizens to have privacy. That's written in the constitution. It's also been nullified by the NSA snooping in on any phone call or email that's sent. That's the U.S. government.

      Civil forfeiture - you have a lot of cash, the police can take it without cause - just thinking that you might be using it for some illegal activity. Then you have to sue the government to get it back. The bill of rights was written to ensure the government would not be able to do something like that. But, the U.S. government does it anyways.

      So you see, it wasn't our government that wrote the laws protecting citizens from the government. It was citizens telling the government what it could and could not do.

      But, instead of us citizens making sure that the government does not exceed it's authority, we sit on our butts in front of big screen tv's, or protest in the street about who should have won the presidency. Both of which does nothing to stop the government from infringing on our freedoms.

      So, you show me a government that does not limit the freedoms of it's citizens, and I will recant my statement.

      But, being 64, literate and by using a bit of logic, that statement - government's sole purpose of existence is to negate freedom - is as true a statement as you'll ever read.

      Your lack of comprehension of why that statement is true ought to give you pause about your way of thinking.

      Cheers

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      My Esoteric 7 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      John Locke, one of the principle forces behind our Constitution and Declaration of Independence thought 1) government was mandatory for a civil society to exist and 2) its main purpose was to prevent one member of that society from hurting another as well as protecting the whole society from external threats. It is also there to guarantee the Rights to Life, Health, Liberty, and Property were not infringed by others.

      And that is what OUR government does.

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      John D Wilson 7 months ago from Earth

      My Esoteric,

      We could get into a long discussion on this, where I could prove your wrong with numerous examples.

      I've had these discussions before - and here's the gist of it.

      1) You are not basing your beliefs on facts but on "feelings"

      2) You have not read the information that is available online and in numerous books that prove your statement is false

      3) You have what's termed cognitive dissonance - and you're not alone. The facts that are available to you prove over and over again that the government routinely infringes on our rights to life, health, liberty and property.

      I cannot change your "dream" land that's shaped in your mind.

      Unless you're willing to face facts that disprove what you say, you'll continue to believe the propaganda that's dispensed daily.

      Your choice.

      Unless you can back up your fable with facts that show the last law that was passed to enhance your freedom, not take it away.

      With over 3,000 laws and regulations passed in 20115 alone and having 2,000 more in the process of being approved - only a blind person would think that there's anything the U.S. government is doing to allow you to be more free.

      I do not come to these conclusions and get a "great" feeling from it. I'm more disappointed than you can ever imagine.

      But, I would be a fool not to recognize the evil that's in all portions of our government - local, county, state and federal.

      And when I say evil - I mean people conniving to control and gain power over citizens in the U.S..

      It does not affect my life one way or the other if you choose to "feel" the way you do. But, let's not even consider your supplying any factual information that proves your point.

      Just type into google - "How is the government infringing on the rights of the American people" and you will get all the facts and information that prove your statement is false.

      Or don't, if your afraid to read the truth. Most people choose that alternative.

      They're too afraid to read how their whole belief system in the U.S. government is based on lies and deceit.

      Your belief does not change those facts.

      Have a happy weekend

      John

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      My Esoteric 7 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      "1) You are not basing your beliefs on facts but on "feelings"" - Sorry, if you had read you history like I have, a lot, you would know my statement is fact, not feelings.

      "2) You have not read the information that is available online and in numerous books that prove your statement is false" - Sorry again, but you are VERY wrong, instead, I research a lot. What I don't use are proven propaganda sites like Drudge, Breitbart, Fox, MSNBC and the thousands of other fake news sites

      I assume you have read the;

      - "Declaration of Independence" (and books/lectures on how it came to be)

      - Madison's notes of the Constitutional Convention

      - Constitution of the United States

      - Federalist Papers

      - The biographies of Washington, Jefferson, Adams, and Madison

      - Paine's "Common Sense"

      - Paine's "Age of Reason"

      - Paine's "Rights of Man"

      - Numerous lectures on the history of the United States

      - Numerous lectures on the history of the world

      - Jane Meyer's "Dark Money"

      - Sun Tzu's "Art of War"

      to name a few.

      It is your view that is totally "feeling-based" my friend.

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      John D Wilson 7 months ago from Earth

      My Esoteric,

      Like most people who try to defend the U.S. government and think they live in the "land of the free", you're entirely missing the point.

      Don't tell me, show me where the government is NOT taking away your freedoms.

      I accept your blindness to the corruption with in the U.S. government and the fascism that makes up D.C.

      Don't try and justify your feelings to me.

      Show me where the government is not infringing on your freedoms and rights, then I'll listen.

      The list you offer gives no concrete evidence that the U.S. does not have a fascist government.

      Have a great weekend.

      Cheers

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      Readmikenow 7 months ago

      Claptona I think the problem is you don't quite comprehend the concept of "fascist." As a person with relatives who lived too long under communist dictatorships, I can tell that you don't understand what it means. Let me explain something to you. If the U.S. Government was as "fascist" as you claim, you would not be able to write your hub without the government coming to talk to you about it. Should you be told to stop freely expressing your opinion, and refuse to stop, bad things could happen to you and your family under a "fascist" government. If the U.S. Government was as "fascist" as you claim, and you continued to freely express your opinions, the government would have people watch you, follow you, talk to your neighbors, employer and everyone in your life. You could be subject to secret trials. Local police would notify criminals they could rob and steal from you with no repercussions. Stores may stop selling to you. You could disappear and be taken someplace for education about the benefits of the state and more. You do NOT know the intense daily fear people experience when they live under a "fascist" government. You view it as as part of an intellectual and political debate. You need to speak with individuals who have lived it. Then you will know the real meaning of the word "fascist." You say what you do because you can and that's the difference.

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      John D Wilson 7 months ago from Earth

      readmikenow

      Fascism - is defined as a centralized autocratic government.

      That's the definition - period.

      Go to google, type in the questions you are asking me.

      Does the U.S.government infringe on the rights of those that disagree with the current administration.? I saw this back when Nixon was in office. Currently there are 426 organizations involved is a suit against the IRS for this specific reason.

      Watch "The Big Short" if you want to see how banks "legally" stole trillions from U.S. citizens with government approval. Not one senior bank official has gone to jail for the crimes the banks committed. Now, during the Savings and Loans debacle back in the 80's and 90's, there were hundreds of bankers that went to jail because of the crimes they committed.

      I don't know the intensity of the fear because the U.S. is not that fascist at the current time, but it does not mean that fascism is not alive and well in the U.S.

      But, unless you really want to know information that is contrary to your beliefs, nothing I say will change that.

      You have to take the initiative to find that out for your own sake.

      Most people are content to being blind to the fact that the U.S. government is fascist. You're not the only one who chooses to turn a blind eye to the facts.

      I choose to believe that fascism is in the birthing stage in the U.S. and is only going to get worse.

      Have a happy weekend.

      Cheers

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      My Esoteric 7 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      One actual definition of Fascism:

      fas·cism

      ˈfaSHˌizəm/Submit

      noun

      an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

      synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy; Nazism, rightism; nationalism, xenophobia, racism, anti-Semitism; jingoism, isolationism; neofascism, neo-Nazism (Sounds like Trump to me)

      Another is:

      often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

      Neither of those are America today or yesteryear.

      Name me one country that has more individual freedoms than America does.

      Here are freedoms which I will agree aren't allowed in America; they all boil down to "you are not free to hurt other human beings". Virtually EVERY law on the books at the Federal and State level are their to deny you the freedom to hurt others. This includes all criminal law, most tort laws, and most contract law.

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      John D Wilson 7 months ago from Earth

      My Esoteric,

      You're free to think you're free.

      It's exactly the place the U.S. government wants you to be.

      You are a nice, enslaved U.S. citizen. The government couldn't ask for a better citizen.

      You're "Virtually EVERY law on the books at the Federal and State level are their to deny you the freedom to hurt others." is so cute, I think I might frame it. It gave me quite the laugh.

      You are the reason the government gets away with the fascist actions that they take daily.

      Myself, I see through the B.S.

      Carry on.........

      Cheers

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      Readmikenow 7 months ago

      Claptona I find you unable to comprehend the reality of living under a fascist government. I have relatives who have done it. I've listened to their stories. You can keep your definitions you throw around. YOU know nothing of what you speak. Your responses are based on ignorance not knowledge. Good luck reading that dictionary of yours. Live in a place like North Korea for a year. When you come back I'll then believe you'll have something to say worth listening to...until then...you're nothing but entertainment and comedy.

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      My Esoteric 7 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Claptona, Readmikenow has it right.

      You enjoyed my assertion that "Virtually EVERY law on the books at the Federal and State level are their to deny you the freedom to hurt others." While I know there are some that are not (probably administrative in nature), give me, say, 20 examples of those which do not fulfill the purpose of law as I stated it.

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      Jack Lee 7 months ago from Yorktown NY

      My esoteric, while I disagree with claptona's extreme views about our government, I will say the government has infringed on our rights more than necessary. Say example on requiring use of CFL bulbs instead of incandecent. I write about this in another hub -

      https://hubpages.com/technology/Transient-Technolo...

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      John D Wilson 7 months ago from Earth

      My Esoteric,

      Sorry, I'm not your research agent.

      But, off the top of my head I'll give you a few.

      Taxes

      Obamacare

      Anything to do with the National Security Agency

      Anything to do with the TSA.

      Anything to do with the EPA.

      Anything to do with the Department of Education.

      Anything to do with the FDA.

      Anything to do with student loans that the taxpayers are getting screwed on

      But, hey, you want to believe your free, knock yourself out. I'm not here to debate you.

      If you don't have the interest to understand what I'm saying, ignore me. But, don't confuse your feeling about being free with actual freedom.

      Cheers

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      John D Wilson 7 months ago from Earth

      Ok, jack and others,

      I'll ask the question once again, name me one thing that is not controlled (or the government tries to control you through propaganda) by the U.S. Government, once you start your day.

      Cereal has rules and regs, as does coffee, as does eggs.

      Bread has rules and regs, you're alarm clock has rules and regs about the way it has to be made, your stove has rules and regs as does your coffee maker.

      The clothes you wear, the toothpaste you use, the soap all have rules and regulations surrounding them.

      The U.S. government lies constantly to the America people. Obamacare was lied about, the WMD in Iraq was lied about, hillary lied, obama lied, Bush lied, they lied about the NSA spying on American citizens.

      So, honesty has to be available for the American Citizens to form opinions, but we can't rely on the government to be honest with us.

      Now, you may want to rationalize that all the rules, regs and laws are needed. That the lies are justified.

      This is probably where we agree to disagree. I think as a consumer and an adult, I'm intelligent enough to buy the items that I think are safe to eat and use. I can handle the truth about the criminal activity at the major banks, the NSA the WMD's - but, obama has denied a record number of freedom of information requests for the last 2 years and is on track to make it 3 years for record denials. So, we citizens can't even get the truth from out own government!

      How is this living in a "free" country when your government lies to you to get you do do things?

      While you think the governments responsibility is to set up departments, take bribes to get things to pass the rules and regs, and determine, for you and me, what is available for sale.

      I think this is fascist and you may think it's needed.

      It's OK to disagree.

      But, like most things, if they take away one freedom , they will take away more freedoms. And if you can't see that, it's OK.

      I see it as such.

      We don't need to look at N. Korea to see fascism, it's happening in Europe, Canada, India and of course there's always good ol' China.

      And I will stick to my belief that America is becoming more and more fascist as the years pass.

      Have a great week, y'all

      Cheers

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      Jack Lee 7 months ago from Yorktown NY

      Claptona, while I agree with many of your point on goverment intervention, I do think libertarians goes too far. There needs to be a balance because human individual rights does not trump other people's rights. A good example is the requirment for liability insurance for drivers. In case you cause an accident, and other people and property are damaged, the law requires you to have the insurance to pay for them even if you don't choose insurance coverage for yourself or your property.

      There are many instances when a law is there to protect others from your freedom of action.

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      Jack Lee 7 months ago from Yorktown NY

      Everyone, thanks for the active discussion on this topic. I think we have touched on all aspects and may just have to agree to disagree. I suggest we all take a break and enjoy the holidays and the great weather. We have a bright sunny day here in the Northeast. Peace!

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