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The First Democratic Socialist U.S. President in 2020?

Updated on August 24, 2019
Voter demographics in 2016, which has changed
Voter demographics in 2016, which has changed

Socialism May Be Arriving

There are few studies that have shown that in the 2020 election, should events align up, President Trump could be dumped. While polling the Democratic candidates is mostly a folly with the election one year away, some conservatives have sounded alarm bells.

Socialism is not bad. It is not like communism or fascism. Yes, the state does erode some freedoms for the good of all. Many countries are happy with it. The appeal for the people is that services are available to all and paid through higher taxes. For instance, in countries where there is universal healthcare, payroll taxes are hovering at 40-50% of wages for those services. Taxes on the rich are also WAY higher because they can afford to pay them. It appeals to those poor and middle incomers.

In America

Today, the income disparity between the rich and everyone else is the highest it has been. Trump gave the rich a permanent tax cut, while everyone else just got a temporary income surge. Themes of universal medical care, pay-off of college loans, Green energy, all have great appeal for many of the X-Generation and Millennial voting age groups (people born after 1965). They appeal to the newest voting group, post-Millennials (born after 1997). They may appeal to many of the Baby Boomers now nearing or in retirement.

In past elections, the older generations more or less dictated how voting turned out because they actually voted. However, in the 2020 election, Pew research shows that if the Millennials vote 70%, not 62%, as in 2016, they have the largest voting block. If you add in the X-Generation and post-Millennial's into the mix, these voters will determine the next president.

Of the Democratic hopefuls, Biden, Sanders, and Warren, are polling the best. Biden is really old school (and he is old) and middle of the road, pragmatic. His appeal remains highest, but has not climbed much. Warren, on the other hand, could be the first woman to be president. She has been touting many socialist agendas and the appeal to younger voters is strong. They identify more with her because she is much younger and many of them have student debt. Sanders, like Biden, is from old school but is a real socialist. His popularity in 2016 was quite shocking as young people supported him. In 2020, this is not the case because of Biden and Warren. Warren's popularity is growing more and more.

Should Warren win in 2020, the host of socialist-like policies would come also. As crazy as it may sound, if enough of the younger generation voters are registered and actually vote in large percentages for her, it could happen. Of course, this presumes that all of these younger generation voters will vote for a Democrat, which is not accurate.

The Trump Factor

The only thing that is constant between now and 2020 is POTUS. You either hate him or love him. There is the middle voters that swing left or right, but their numbers are smaller. With Trump being largely unpopular with Democratic voters and many independents for policy and personal reasons, one can see how the election could turn out if turn out against him is high.

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    • lovemychris profile image

      Leslie McCowen 

      2 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I strongly disagree. The economy will implode because of tax cuts for the rich, trickle down voodoo bs and trumps tariffs. Don’t you get it? Who got our soybean market? Russia. Who’s getting to build plants in the USA? Russian oligarchs.

      Where are trumps campaign goodies and Ivanka clothes made? China.

      It’s all about making he and his benefactors rich, and allowing the international crime syndicate to take over America.

      And of course, fight Beebs war for him, as they wall us in to be the next Gaza.

      It’s the new world order. And like orders before, it’s heartless and cruel.

    • Ken Burgess profile image

      Ken Burgess 

      2 weeks ago from Florida

      perrya,

      The economy will not implode because of "Trump's policies", the economy will implode because of the large array of forces who want Trump out, that can have a major impact on the economy.

      Certain Billionaires on Wall St. (IE - Soros, Steyer), along with China, will do what they can to crash the Stock Market and the Economy as much as they can prior to the election.

      The media will do their part, blaming it all on Trump, they are already doing so, they are already claiming we are in a recession and that the economy is in dire straights, despite this being contrary to the truth as of right now.

      And I agree with you, I believe in the overall gullibility of the majority of Americans to believe it. This is why who wins the Democratic nomination is important, because they just might become President, and most of the 20 something candidates are worrisome to say the least. Bernie is no exception, going back to the 60s is not the solution.

    • perrya profile imageAUTHOR

      perrya 

      2 weeks ago

      Polling is that now, the top 5 candidates of the Dems can beat trump. While that is stretching it, I think Trump will implode as his policies cause more unrest and the economy stagnates or worse. Many of the young voters (under 35) want more government programs. I think most do not trust Trump in what he says as it is proven he is a liar. Countries like China are willing to stall and wait to see if he is reelected before acting, which puts Trump in a holding pattern. The trade war is a face-off, who will blink first?

    • lovemychris profile image

      Leslie McCowen 

      2 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Lol! Say, I see someone else constantly refers to Venezuela....could it be they are glued to Fox propaganda and subversion network? Or Breitbart bs for the masses? Never forget:

      “Early this morning, news broke that Sen. Ted Kennedy had passed away after serving in the U.S. Senate for nearly 50 years. Soon after, conservative commentator Andrew Breitbart began a sustained assault on Kennedy’s memory, tweeting “Rest in Chappaquiddick.”

      Over the course of the next three hours, Breitbart unapologetically attacked Kennedy, calling him a “villain,” “a big ass motherf@#$er,” a “duplicitous bastard” and a “prick.” “I’ll shut my mouth for Carter. That’s just politics. Kennedy was a special pile of human excrement,” wrote Breitbart in one tweet.“

      That’s journalism????

      Eh, what’s the diff? Fox, Breitbart, NY FBI field office.....they’re all the same. Rosenstein: (Daddy), “I can land the plane.”

      https://youtu.be/JXecLXlzEXE

    • lovemychris profile image

      Leslie McCowen 

      2 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      There is too much church control, bank control and big biz control! Take my boss.....he decided to save money by paying us every two weeks instead of every one.

      So, our first paycheck was for one week, of which we had to live on for 2 weeks.

      I still have not recovered.

      Take the church, which wants to criminalize abortion, bringing women back, as Bill Weld said, to the stone ages.

      Banks? My banks overdraft fees went up. What do you think happens when you have to live on two weeks bills with one weeks pay?

      I pay a lot in overdraft fees, of which the very rich get it all for free.

      You complain about gvt? I will match you complaint for complaint!

    • Ken Burgess profile image

      Ken Burgess 

      2 weeks ago from Florida

      Perrya,

      I don't know what trends you refer to, but as with the last election, I doubt the Media or the Washington elite or their pollsters have the real picture of that the American people want, or how they are trending.

      The 65 million people who voted for Trump last time will still be voting for him because there isn't an alternative they will find acceptable.

      Unless Warren grabs the nomination and picks Gabbard as the VP the only ticket that has a strong chance, it would pull a larger swath of the Women and Bernie supporters than Clinton did or Creepy Joe could. But I don't see the DNC allowing such a ticket, both are too much outside the acceptable 'establishment' norms... and the last thing the corrupt system wants is another disruptor to follow Trump.

    • perrya profile imageAUTHOR

      perrya 

      2 weeks ago

      If trends are accurate, 2020 may yield a president that will be a much more like socialist in some ways(like healthcare for all,aka Canadian system) but overall, it will still be capitalist.

    • Readmikenow profile image

      Readmikenow 

      2 weeks ago

      Anyone who loves socialism should look at what it has done for Venezuela. It was at one time one of the wealthiest countries in South America.

      Anyone who likes socialism should spend time living in a socialist country. That would NOT be the Scandinavian countries. They all know capitalism is the goose that lays the golden egg for them.

      I suggest Cuba, China, but especially Venezuela. It may provide a first-hand experience of socialism.

      I also suggest we stop spending so much government resources on illegal immigrants and redirect these funds toward helping America citizens. Illegal aliens in the US are treated better than America homeless.

      The problem Democrats have is they love illegal immigrants far more than they do American citizens. They are far more upset about the conditions at ICE detention centers than they are the homeless living on the streets in the major cities in California.

    • Ken Burgess profile image

      Ken Burgess 

      2 weeks ago from Florida

      There is too much socialism and too much government influence and control as it is. It is the real reason why we are running up such Debt and why monopolies are continuing to grow and stifle competition.

      Politicians like Bernie Sanders tout lies, they point to Sweden as a success story for socialism, it is not. It is less of a welfare state and more of a free enterprise system than we are.

      Back in the 70s they tried socialism on a large scale, their economy was near collapse, and so they made drastic changes and dumped socialism. See video link:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i9FQ834yFc

      We may end up with a very socialist President eventually, but it will be very bad for our economy when we do.

    • lovemychris profile image

      Leslie McCowen 

      3 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      IF? It’s when. Some say 2020.....for me, it began as soon as I did my taxes in 2017.

      Business knows nothing about running a country.

      And trump knows nothing about America.

      He wants to end birthright citizenship, a staple of this place.

      And all his campaign stuff is being made in China..... where he just ordered US business to stay away from.

      Scaramucci asks for an off ramp for people who made a mistake.

      Tell that to the mom who will never see her child again.

      Hillary would NEVER have done that.

      But trump is better.

      2.8 million of us knew better. So now u listen to us!

      He should be impeached, but I’m starting to think Pelosi is right.

      Who the eff wants pence in there, even for a second? More embarrassing than trump, if that’s possible.

      I don’t think dems will go for a socialist type candidate. I think we stick with old skool.

      Drastic change doesn’t work here.

    • perrya profile imageAUTHOR

      perrya 

      3 weeks ago

      If the economy really tanks, Trump will lose. He knows this.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad 

      3 weeks ago

      President Barack Obama’s legacy of running up the tab for taxpayers during his family’s exorbitant and frequent vacations is projected to reach an excess of $100 million before the close of his two terms as president – putting a strain on the economy, military and Secret Service.

      As the Obamas finish up nearly two weeks of vacation in Hawaii over the holidays – with their White House stay coming to an end – the president’s hypocrisy is becoming increasingly evident.

      “As a candidate in 2008, then Sen. Barack Obama (R-Ill.), vowed he would give up vacations if elected president, in order to completely focus on his job,” WND reported. “Fast-forward to the present, and it is now projected Obama will have spent more than $100 million in taxpayer funds on vacations during his eight years as president.”

      A legacy of waste

      A government watchdog organization has monitored the Obama’s expenditures since the 44th president’s inauguration eight years ago.

      “[We] received new documents from both the Secret Service and the Air Force relating to Obama travel expenses, bringing the known total over the past eight years to $96,938,882.51,” Judicial Watch informed.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad 

      3 weeks ago

      LM

      Stop the rodeo clowning and comment on the issue of this hub which is Socialism.

      "https://www.golfdigest.com/story/weve-crunched-the...

      Obama played 306 rounds while in office, a healthy amount, but well short of the estimated 1,200 rounds Woodrow Wilson played during his term, or the 800 rounds that Dwight Eisenhower played as POTUS. Still, it's more than his immediate predecessors George W. Bush or Bill Clinton, both of whom were golfers as well.

      Now how about getting back to the issue of the hub.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad 

      3 weeks ago

      LM

      Stop the rodeo clowning and comment on the issue of this hub which is Socialism.

    • lovemychris profile image

      Leslie McCowen 

      3 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Speaking of saving money to help the homeless....

      “The President to date has spent 278.5 years worth of annual presidential salary in tax payer money to play golf.”

      Helllerrrrrrr

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad 

      3 weeks ago

      perrya

      you say, "Socialism is not bad. It is not like communism or fascism. Yes, the state does erode some freedoms for the good of all. Many countries are happy with it"

      Communism is where the states takes over the companies, Democrats Socialism is where the government control, regulates and overtaxes the companies.

      Social Security, Medicare and ACA are examples of the government running a business, and failing at it.

      Compare these three government services, and see how the federal government employees has these three but they also have FERS, FEHS and a Thrift Plan.

      The government pays for these expensive functions, but the private sector only has SS, Medicare and ACA.

      The Bernie Sanders Medicare for ALL including for Illegal Aliens is $4.0 Trillion a year for 10 years. The current US budget is $4.4 Trillion. That would double it. Then he suggest $16 Trillion for AGW. The Warren and Sanders want Free College educations but they don't know how much that will cost, and Warren wants to forgive Student Loans.

      ----

      Student Loan Debt Statistics In 2019: A $1.5 Trillion Crisis

      [Search domain www.forbes.com/sites/zackfriedman/2019/02/25/student-loan-debt-statistics-2019/] https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfriedman/2019/02/...

      Feb 25, 2019 · Distribution Of Student Loan Borrowers By Balance. As of 2019, more than 42 million student loan borrowers have student loan debt of $100,000 or less.

      --

      Those Sanders and Warren socialism packages amount to over $60 Trillion over 10 years. Can any democrat do simple math.

      I guess they save some money by not taking care of the US homeless.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad 

      3 weeks ago

      perrya

      you say, " not an easy thing to repair the damage Trump has done on so many levels"

      This is a vague, ambiguous and baseless statement. It is only meaningful to the left. But it has no meaning because it has no facts.

      You should probably write a hub to fill in those blanks.

    • lovemychris profile image

      Leslie McCowen 

      3 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Yeah, but it’s better than not having it! As per usual, tax cut and spend Republicans will destroy it, then a dem will have to fix it, all the while being blamed for it by republicans.

      It’s called the the two Santa clauses theory:

      https://www.salon.com/2018/02/12/thom-hartmann-how...

      I don’t think the damage is irreparable......but the divide between us is.

      The best thing to do would be to have a prez of one party and a veep of the other.

      Everything must be done in a bipartisan fashion.

      That’s why I think Biden could pull it together, or Bill Weld. Kasich is ok, but far too Right religiously. Women cannot be thrown under the bus for compromise.

      But who knows....we could get Warren, Harris or even Walsh on the other end of the spectrum.

      Truthfully, it’s going to be anyone but trump. He should do himself a favor and resign. By the time he’s done, he’ll be a dead weight on the whole world. And America will be a pariah.

      Which,of course is the plan. That’s what I think.

      Weld, Walsh....now Scaramucci......the veil of illusion is starting to tear.

    • perrya profile imageAUTHOR

      perrya 

      3 weeks ago

      If a democrat does regain the WH, it will be not an easy thing to repair the damage Trump has done on so many levels. Also, if Republicans still control the senate or regain the Congress, little can get done. So many things can happen that having a democrat in the WH will not resolve.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      3 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Yes. But as a Warren is calling for, a 2% tax on wealth over 500 million or something does not sound unreasonable to me. Back during Occupy Wall Street, people we’re calling for a 1% sales tax on Wall Street transactions.....said it would solve world hunger.

      But of course, it never happened. Instead, the wealthy are getting tax cuts! Its unbelievable.

      But yes, if the young people vote, trump is a goner. Which is why the propagandists use the old “ they’re all the same, don’t vote at all” routine. I fell for that one myself.

      It is critical that people vote,and that the elections and the counting

      process are MONITORED.

      We do not have fair elections in the USA.

      Hillary should be prez, and Stacey Abrams should be gvr of Georgia.

      We was robbed.

    • perrya profile imageAUTHOR

      perrya 

      3 weeks ago

      It really depends on how the younger generations vote bc the boomers are no longer the dominant voter. But, this is a mix of voters as well, but if the anger against Trump is that great by Nov. 2020, and most of the younger generations go for a democrat, Trump will be dumped. The question remains what far left promises will actually occur when the debit is already over a trillion dollars.

    • lovemychris profile image

      Leslie McCowen 

      3 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Why don’t we call it compassionate capitalism?

      No one can really be proud we let people suffer and die for lack of money, can they?

      At least the gvt is a voted in body. Vote for trump, and the church will run the state. And not the right church, the fire and brimstone one (exceptions for rich white people)

      We don’t need Sharia, American style. Get a grip.

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      MG Singh 

      3 weeks ago from Singapore

      Frankly, you have painted a simplistic scenario. Two and two sometimes give a result of something else than 4.My gut feeling is the middle class American white voter is going to see Trump home and dry. Lets see.

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