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The Great Divide in Trump's Presidency

Updated on August 27, 2018

No president has been so divisive on so many levels than Trump. His only die-hard, blinded, followers are less than 40-45% of the U.S. population. These souls are akin to a mania reminiscent of Beatle fans. No matter what Trump says or does, no matter if he committed crimes or cheated on his present wife, colluded with the Russians for financial gain, his base just loves him. He could cuss at God or commit murder, his base would just say, " it has nothing to do with the Presidency". They would continue to cite, "Jobs are way up, so is the stock market, and he's doing what he promised". Even Trump knows he can do extreme things that normally most people will not accept, yet his base will. His followers are devoted to him in an almost eccentric way. They love his personality and policy.

The Rest of US

Now, the remaining Americans, some 60%, refrain from Trumpmania. We may like some of his policies and their outcomes, we may like some things he might say, but overall we find Trump's personality very non-presidential and gutter-like, at times. We are not brainwashed by his fake news that comes out of his mouth on a near daily basis, in fact, we know he lies all the time about facts. Either he is ignorant of some facts or he spins it so he gets the credit, because Trump is in love with himself. We know he is going to give himself an A+ for being president, LOL, would you expect anything less? We know most of the 60% would NOT be so generous with this grade. We know that the economy is growing and the stock market is gaining, and we can give Trump that credit. These are good Trump policies but we still despise his personality. Despise him as a person on a personal level akin to a boss you cannot stand, for whatever reason. Some simply cannot stand his physical appearance, especially that orange hair. But, most, just do not like the character or lack of character of this president.

So, that is the problem. You either like everything about the man and what he has done as president, or you cannot stand him as a person, his past and present DOES matter to you. For the Trumpers, his past has nothing to do with being president. For everyone else, the past and present DOES matter. It defines what kind of man he his, and when he cannot give McCain a tribute as everyone else has since his death, the rest of us simply find this of low character. The lowest of character and disgraceful especially for a POTUS. Trump then tells the media that Paul Manafort is a great American after being found guilty of numerous tax evasion and fraud charges! Well, after all, he was Trump's campaign manager in 2016.

This president has caused the great divide in America. You either like his personality and policy or one generally hates the man for his character and personality (this skews how one views his policies). This is how America is today. Split nearly down the middle.


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    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad 

      2 years ago

      PerryA

      Now you are deleting my comments, and then you and Drivebyyyyyyyyyyy Don are playing childish games.

      I have asked many many times for anyone of you to show the facts, but all I get is red herrings.

      You and Don continue you with your love fest!

      You have a dearth of facts here!

    • perrya profile imageAUTHOR

      perrya 

      2 years ago

      I tend to agree with you Don, Brad uses a law school technique. When a student asks a legitimate question, the professor never answers with the answer, but will deflect and answer with a question, trying to confuse the student. There is no debating a law professor.

    • hard sun profile image

      Don Shepard 

      2 years ago

      You read the facts brad..and you deny them. There's nothing that can be argued with someone who denies the facts in front of them. Have fun. This is not a social network...I may just go delete all the comments I've accepted of yours. I have no obligation to accept, let alone respond to your nonsense.

    • perrya profile imageAUTHOR

      perrya 

      2 years ago

      Bradmaster is just a person who will never be satisfied or will agree with anything that is anti-Trump. If you present facts, he will not accept them because he is a Trump advocate. It is just a waste of time because all he wants to do is to make Trump look good and never in bad light.

    • hard sun profile image

      Don Shepard 

      2 years ago

      Brad-- You can read my articles if you want a thorough breakdown of what I think about Trump. You've done so with at least one, so, once again...what's the point?

    • perrya profile imageAUTHOR

      perrya 

      2 years ago

      My opinion is very valid. Bradmaster's comments are fine, like half of America, we agree to disagree about this president. Trump supporters see some facts as fact, when it is fake news. Trump's immigration policy is now going after American citizens from Mexico that were born in Texas. One man, served several tours in Iraq, went to Mexico to visit relatives and then denied re-entry and his passport confiscated because immigration said his birth certificate was fake. Imagine being this man! Trump tells only half truths or is silent about his immigration policy.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad 

      2 years ago

      Don

      All the info is where?

      I commented on PerryA's entire article, and got no response. Especially from you drivebyyyyyyyyyy. You are still doing it beep beep.

      Seriously, is that all you have?

      You don't make a single reference to an issue much less argue and view against it.

      Making you kind of statements make play to your crowd, but it is anything that resembles a real comment about the article or my very detailed comments on it.

      Let me know when you have something. Beep beep......

    • hard sun profile image

      Don Shepard 

      2 years ago

      All the info is there for you to see Brad. No "compelling argument" I make will change your mind, but it will waste my time. Discussing the issues with you will make no difference. That's the truth.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad 

      2 years ago

      Is there anyone out there that can discuss the issues and make some compelling arguments to support them?

      It doesn't take any intelligence, knowledge or awareness to make drive byyyyyyyyyyyyy insults. Make a point, i might even agree with it if it had some substance.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad 

      2 years ago

      Don

      You are just an anti Trumper that has no arguments to make so you continue to do your drive byyyyyyyyyyy. Personal attacks are one of the major symptoms of those afflicted with TDS.

      Don't look now, but your insecurity is showing.

      Anyone else want to do a drive byyyyyyyyyyy instead of actually making a compelling argument.

    • hard sun profile image

      Don Shepard 

      2 years ago

      Brad, I don't converse much with those that are as beneath me as you are. It's a waste of time.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad 

      2 years ago

      PerryA

      you say

      "No president has been so divisive on so many levels than Trump."

      Is president Trump getting all the republicans to resist the democrats like the democrats are all onboard with resisting the president. And the latter is the same as resisting the country, and there is nothing more divisive than that.

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      Kathleen, Don and Perry A then are not real writers, as I read the next sentence, I would have to agree.

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      "Talking off the top of your head commentators is what has driven real writers off this site."

      B:

      What does that even mean?

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      I tend to agree with this Kathleen Cochran. These types of ramblings may be slightly more fitting for the forums, but I don't think they have a real place in comments

      B:

      Why?

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      . BradOCcal worked up a huge rant for one of my articles. I denied it.

      B:

      You deleted it and then commented on it. What a sport?

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      He didn't like that. Maybe he should have put his thoughts together and wrote a cohesive article of his own? Apologies if I'm off subject here.

      B:

      Yes you are very off, in more ways than one.

      If you want to challenge my comment than use my comment. Don't summarily dis it.

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      Kathleen Cochran

      Drive by commentators? Your comments are so long and rambling they should be articles not comments. But that would take actual work. Talking off the top of your head commentators is what has driven real writers off this site.

      B:

      You and Don are the drive byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. You put zero effort into discussing the issue. Your commenters have no reference, they are vague, and ambiguous.

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      Many achievements? He gave rich people a tax break - period

      B:

      The problem is not his tax break, the problem is that both parties support the Income Tax System, and its Internal Revenue Code is where the rich pay less taxes than they should because of all the tax breaks, while in 1986 Reagan screwed the middle class with his Tax Reform Act that removed some important tax deductions that were useful to the middle class.

      Congress in 2013 increased the medical tax deduction threshold from 7.5% to 10%. That means that more money comes out of the average tax payer before the US tax system gives them a deduction. This was inconsistent with the so called cheaper ACA insurance.

      The rich make their money because they are not wage earners, and the marginal tax rate no matter how high is not going to make them pay any more than they do. Look at Bill Gates he doubled his billions since the 2008 economic meltdown.

      The middle income people got a tax break, but Pelosi says that is crumbs. But the democrat platform for 2018 is to RAISE taxes, and that affects the middle class the most.

      The important thing for tax cuts is not who made the most, but did the average taxpayer get a break, and they did. But to raise taxes, how does that help?

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      . With republicans in control of both houses of congress, that's all they got done.

      B:

      That is not the only things that happened, but when the entire democrat body in congress is into RESISTANCE along with Rinos like McCain a lot more could have been accomplished.

      The economy is doing great, jobs are more plentiful than people to take them, the trade balance is being equalized, new trade agreements that benefit the US are happening, Iran is being sanctioned and the people in Iran are rebelling against the leaders. That is far better than a ten year Obama plan that defers Iran from their nuclear program, and that plan had little assurances that it could be properly monitored.

      North Korea is being handled, no president before even tried. The US sanctions on Russian, N Korea and Iran are effective. ISIS lost their ISIL since Trump became president. Trump relies heavily on the generals and commanders in the field compared to Obama who ignored them.

      The previous presidents and congresses left immigration without effective new laws, and the democrats in 2009-2011 were in control and they could have written and passed any immigration law they wanted to but they didn't.

      DACA is a president Obama created problem, and how does the democrat focus on illegal aliens and no border wall work for helping America and Americans. There is a huge homeless problem in the country, and especially in the super democrat controlled CA. What benefit is it to America, California and the people to protect Convicted Illegal Alien Felons from being deported? Does it make America safer?

      These are just a few the our president Trump has achieved in 18 months.

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      Oh, and a Supreme Court Justice. We'll see how much of an accomplishment he considers that to be when he stands before that judge eventually to answer for his crimes.

      B:

      What Crimes? What indictments?

      At the same time you ignore that facts.

      Their was corruption in the Obama executive branch.

      The top of the DOJ and FBI management have been demoted, or fired or both.

      There was a Russia collusion to influence our election but the facts show it was Hillary Clinton with that Russian Connection.

      The Russian Dossier was obtained from Russians to discredit Trump.

      Christopher Steele, Fusion GPS, The Ohrs, and falsely presenting this dossier which has never been verified, and not been truthful to the FISA to get a warrant to spy on Trump through Carter Page for a year, and yet Carter Page was never charged with any crimes that would warrant spying on him. The real target was Trump. And even with all that firing there is zero evidence.

      There was no obstruction of justice for Comey being fired, and as we see even today the investigation continues, so how was there any obstruction. FBI director made these claims only after he was fired, and if there was any truth, he had a duty as FBI director to indict president Trump. Why didn't he do something when he was FBI director, simple there was no obstruction.

      You and Don keep coming up with these anti Trump media sound bites and expect that to be factual or even important. I don't watch them, including Fox. I don't let other people give me their opinions as facts. I do my own fact searching.

      I see the democrat platform of 2018 basically a continuation of resisting whatever Trump does, says, or even suggests.

      So they want to Raise Taxes, that is less money for the non rich class.

      They want illegal aliens given free passage into the US, given them a path to citizenship as a reward for breaking our laws.

      Giving sanctuary to Convicted Illegal Alien Felons.

      Prosecuting ICE

      Eliminating ICE

      Giving Free Medical to Illegal Aliens (who is going to pay for that)

      How does that help the average America or legal immigrant?

      What are they doing to help America and Its people?

      Why aren't they concerned with the corruption in the Obama DOJ, FBI, CIA, NSA and State Department?

      Why aren't they interested in how the most qualified ever presidential candidate according to then president Obama disregarded any policies on classified information.

      Why aren't they concerned with how conflict special counsel Mueller is considering he employed Peter Strzok as the top FBI person to continue to investigate Trump even though he was very biased and working against Trump, while giving Hillary Clinton a free pass from jail.

      Why would anyone want to vote for a democrat politician or a Rino?

      So instead of your usual drivebyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, get out of the car and put some thought into your comments.

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    • hard sun profile image

      Don Shepard 

      2 years ago

      "Talking off the top of your head commentators is what has driven real writers off this site."

      I tend to agree with this Kathleen Cochran. These types of ramblings may be slightly more fitting for the forums, but I don't think they have a real place in comments. BradOCcal worked up a huge rant for one of my articles. I denied it. He didn't like that. Maybe he should have put his thoughts together and wrote a cohesive article of his own? Apologies if I'm off subject here.

    • Kathleen Cochran profile image

      Kathleen Cochran 

      2 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      Drive by commentators? Your comments are so long and rambling they should be articles not comments. But that would take actual work. Talking off the top of your head commentators is what has driven real writers off this site.

    • Kathleen Cochran profile image

      Kathleen Cochran 

      2 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      Many achievements? He gave rich people a tax break - period. With republicans in control of both houses of congress, that's all they got done. Oh, and a Supreme Court Justice. We'll see how much of an accomplishment he considers that to be when he stands before that judge eventually to answer for his crimes.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad 

      2 years ago

      PerryA

      Trump supporters can look at facts and achievements made by president Trump. This is not true for democrats or republicans.

      Your article has a dearth of facts, no truths, and only emotional ranting consistent of TDS.

      My comments don't have emotion they have truth. And the truth is your article has no valid foundation. My president is Donald Trump, who is your president?

      And you and the other drive by commenters have nothing to say to support your rants, they just add more rants as they drive byyyyyyyyyyyy

    • Kathleen Cochran profile image

      Kathleen Cochran 

      2 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      Basically I see Trump supporters as just not wanting to accept responsibility for what they've done.

    • perrya profile imageAUTHOR

      perrya 

      2 years ago

      bradmaster is one of the diehard Trumpers that rants emotion when his idol is criticized and tries to suppress free speech unless you agree with his point of view, so typical of Trump's base. And yes, Trump has caused politics to be gutter-like in his own swamp.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad 

      2 years ago

      PerryA

      Like Hillary Clinton you are not satisfied with just disrespecting the sitting president of the US, you have to disrespect the people that voted for him.

      Calling it Trumpmania is childish, but saying that 60% of the people agree with you is just TDS, treat a child like a child.

      When you say non presidential, you mean speaking to you like a child, and not achieving any of the campaign promises like the previous presidents of the US.

      You mean gutter-like your vile, rude and disrespectful comments about your president Trump.

      But you don't give president Trump credit for his many achievements. Do you want a president that looks and speaks presidential, or do you want president Trump who satisfies the campaign promises on which he was elected president,

      The previous presidents were like we say about cars, all show and no go. President Trump is all GO.

      You say

      " his past and present DOES matter to you. For the Trumpers, his past has nothing to do with being president. For everyone else, the past and present DOES matter. It defines what kind of man he his, and when he cannot give McCain a tribute as everyone else has since his death, the rest of us simply find this of low character. "

      B:

      Are you serious, what matters is today, and what Trump is doing as president, and that is how you judge a sitting president. If you can't find something wrong about what he is doing as president it doesn't matter, does it.

      Senator John McCain didn't do anything for the US during and after Obama. And while we can sympathize with anyone's death, that is very different that praising him for something he didn't do.

      He worked against the Trump team, and then against the president and some of it was illegal. Like his handling of the Christopher Steele fake dossier that has wasted 2 years of the country that could have been used to benefit American and Americans even more than Trump has already accomplished.

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      President Trump didn't cause a divide in the country, it was already there during the Obama administration, remember the riots and the protests during Obama. It was Hillary Clinton, the DNC and even John McCain that caused the divide. When Trump won the presidency the democrat losers proclaimed their resistance to anything and everything that president Trump would do, and they have done exactly that and continue today.

      How does the democrat sanctuary to protect Convicted Illegal Alien Felons from being deported helping the country or improving the safety of its citizens?

      Perry A

      Saying that president Trump caused the divide has no substance other than an emotional rant by one that is seriously afflicted by TDS, a variant of PTSD.

      :)

      del if u wish, but it won't make this article true.

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      Don Shepard 

      2 years ago

      " but overall we find Trump's personality very non-presidential and gutter-like, at times."

      I think this sentence is the reason for the great divide. If he were able to handle himself was some degree of dignity he would have won over more Americans. Are we now to be the gutter nation?

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