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Why Mess With the US?

Updated on June 18, 2013

The Insanity of Insurrection

Like many cities, especially State Capitols, Harrisburg, PA had what was billed as a "Pro 2nd Amendment" rally. The rally was in response to the measures that the president proposed that include a restoring of the assault weapons ban and restrictions on large-capacity magazines. While it looks as many of the people there, most of which who likley came from the more rural communities, were unarmed, though a few probably were carrying concealed, the groups that provided the fertilizer for this "astroturf" event; the NRA and the firearms manufacturers they basically represent, and a few of their followers may aspire to see an armed assault on Pennsylvania's Capitol, among other places.

As many of them espouse what the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence calls "Insurrectionism." The idea of "Insurrectionism" comes from part of a Supreme Court decison that determined that the 2nd Amendment applied to individuals:

This idea, which we call “insurrectionism,” is part of a broader ideological perspective that opposes a strong, activist government in nearly all of its forms. Insurrectionist philosophy degrades the democratic values and institutions that protect all of the freedoms we enjoy as Americans. Gun lobby extremists have been perfectly willing to trample on any freedom that gets in the way of their pursuit of unrestricted private access to firearms (i.e., property rights, access to justice, freedom of information, public safety, etc.). This toxic mix of ideology and firepower has moved beyond rhetoric and resulted in real violence in our country.

The idea, though more common on the American Right, is not confined to that side. Since Newtown, I have found myself debating insurgents among the left. Of course, the Democrats and progressives have done better relegating these folks to the fringes than the right, The rhetoric of folks like Gov Perry, Rand Paul, and Michele Bachmann would be examples of that.

I can see why the Right would see a need to plot for armed uprising, They see they are losing ground. The 2012 Elections and the support for paths to citizenship for the undocumented, gays and lesbian rights, marijuana legalization, and even gun restrictions, could all show that the United States is shifting left. There are still pockets of opposition; the South, the Plains States, and other places that are more racially and ethnically homogeneous; a sort of "bunker network" of AM-Radio and it's cable news channel (FOX), and bloggers like Drudge and internet programs like Alex Jones, create an echo chamber of sorts.

But do they know what they are messing with? The United States has shown time and time again that should the need to use force against domestic insurrection, they will; the Whiskey Rebellion, the Civil War, and times during the Civil Rights Movement where the National Guard needed to be called in are all examples. The same folks who cheer when a drone takes out a Taliban may find themselves victims of one.

Would there be deserters in the ranks, perhaps? But there may also be Americans who would join to oppose the new rebels. Also, since many of the members of the uprising would be from radical reactionary groups, organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center and One People's Project would likely provide intelligence and even act as footsoldiers.

There's also a matter of foreign support. There are few countries that would likley back a right-wing uprising against the United States, there may be some support from fascist, etc, elements of Europe, and a counter balance from the anti-fascists and anarchists of Europe.

I have for years believed that in my lifetime we will see an uprising in America. This is not that time, but I fear that the impetus will come not from the left, but the right. The rhetoric from the NRA and it's political hired guns seems to prove that correct.


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    • Rheagl profile image

      Bill Scherzer 

      5 years ago

      peoplepower73 , You are right - "Our constitutional frame work will not allow for that." as it now stands. Unfortunately, there is a tool in place that could change the Constitution as we know it. It is called the Constitutional Convention (Con Con for short). Jimmy Carter tried to push it through and came up just short. Obama has openly expressed his belief the U.S. Constitution needs to be interpreted through the lens of current events.

      The current plan is to take control of the House in the next election by publicly villafying anyone who has anything to do with Republicans. The media has already started and by 2014, there will be such an outcry against Reps that it will assure them control of the House.

      I am not a Republican; but if Obama gets full control of Congress again, Obamacare is just a glimmer of what he will cram down our throats since he does not have to worry about re-election.

      Here is an article that shows just how close we are to a Constitutional Convention. We need to open our eyes to the possible reality and stop it while we still can.

    • TeaPartyCrasher profile imageAUTHOR


      5 years ago from Camp Hill, PA

      I would suggest you peruse my hubs.

    • Rheagl profile image

      Bill Scherzer 

      5 years ago

      Hi TPC, just a note to let you know that I have read this.

      As you probably know, you and I have a difference of opinion. I would love to relate my perspective, but would I be met with open discussion or just called names? I have a couple of people that when they are shown proof that what they believe to be facts is incorrect, they just call me names and try to change the subject to some other MSNBC talking point.

      A note about me - I am a conservative, not a republican. I look at Fox news, Huff Post, MSNBC, etc. with equal disdain. I see all of them as escewed viewpoints and then research whatever they say for myself. When I am in a discussion, you will VERY rarely see me use any of them as a source of fact.

      Since I research everything, I only state what I see as fact based on the data I have at the time, but I am willing to consider other points of view and WILL research what is contrary to what I think I know. Will you do the same?

      Also, will you acknowledge that mainstream media (and I am including FOX) is biased and agree not use them as proof of a point you are trying to make? That you will verify for yourself what anyone (including myself) says. If so, then both of our HUBs will benefit from the open discussion and I will welcome your perspective on my pages any time.

    • TeaPartyCrasher profile imageAUTHOR


      5 years ago from Camp Hill, PA

      Switch is on!

    • TeaPartyCrasher profile imageAUTHOR


      5 years ago from Camp Hill, PA

      I wanted it to be and changed my mind.

      Perhaps a "switcherooo" is in order,. . .

    • peoplepower73 profile image

      Mike Russo 

      5 years ago from Placentia California

      TeaPartyCrasher: Great article. I cannot wrap my head around why a government in these United States of America would want to commit to tyranny! First off the person would have to be a dictator. Our constitutional frame work will not allow for that. The person would be impeached before he or she even reached dictator status. Secondly and I've said this over and over again, if our military wanted to take out an insurrection, they could do it in the blink of an eye and it isn't going to be mano a mano with AR 15's . I chalk all this up to the propaganda that has been spewed by right wing talk radio for years. I'm more afraid of those people and their followers than I am of our government. Voting up, useful, and sharing.

    • ImKarn23 profile image

      Karen Silverman 

      5 years ago

      i don't know if you got my THIRD amendment to my comment?

      i very respectfully suggested that perhaps you might think about changing the title from what it is to your first line: "Why Mess With the US?"

      i fancy myself a bit of a title-ho - and many would agree, and - i GUARANTEE that it will garner you many more 'views'...

      and - we WANT people to read this...

      just a suggestion...

    • ImKarn23 profile image

      Karen Silverman 

      5 years ago

      if they see they are 'losing ground' - how do they also not see that 'resistance is futile' in TODAY's world - something i fear they are sorely out of touch with..

      i believe if they were allowed - MANY of these deeply indoctrinated and highly volatile folks would raise the confederate flag, shake off their white hoods, and get their slaves back as well..

      ahhh...the good old days...

      i'm soooo sick of the bullshit - the smoke and mirrors - the zillions of dollars - AND THE DEATH!

      great hub, see civil war as well - perhaps in the nearer future than you..

      i believe a black president is absolutely unacceptable to them - and his having the gall to win a second term has them frothing at their collective mouths...

      i will 'hub-share' this...


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