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Trump and His Lack of a Moral Imperative

Updated on October 30, 2018
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Mike has a keen interest in the effects of politics in our culture. He has a unique way of simplifying complex concepts.

Truth as a moral imperative

A moral imperative is a strongly-felt principle that compels a person to act a certain way that is reasonable within the context it is used. For example, following the moral law for truth was seen to be reasonable.

We are taught not to lie. Because when we lie, sooner or later it will catch up with us. There is an Italian saying, "Lying is like spitting in the air, sooner or later that spit will hit you in the face." However, I don’t believe Trump was ever taught the moral imperative that lying is not morally good, because sooner or later it will lead to mistrust.

He lies incessantly and so far, he has gotten away with it. Why does he lie? Because no one holds him accountable for his lying. When the press tries to hold him accountable, he just calls them the fake news and enemy of the people and then he moves on from there.

His supporters, including Evangelical Christians could care less about a moral imperative for truth, because they are all about results. In their minds, he has convinced them that the GOP and his supporters are the good guys and everybody else “The Others” are the bad guys, including "the fake news." His supporters trust him explicitly even though he lies constantly.

To me this goes against everything I have learned. Once a person lies, especially if it is a big lie with big consequences, then, I have reason not to trust them. That is the moral imperative. Of course everybody lies and one time or another, but not on the scale and magnitude of Trump.

Trump's rallies and tweets are basically one-way communications where he lies and promotes violence. He is like a megaphone that broadcasts his lies to his audiences. In his rallies, the audiences hold up signs that are made by professionals, which makes them and the audience look contrived to the discerning eye.

Trump and Instinctive Gamesmanship

I have just coined that phrase. "Trump and Instinctive Gamesmanship" I have been observing Trump for a long time. At first, I thought he was a sociopathic liar. But now I'm beginning to believe that he actually enjoys sparrng with his opponents and learned how to do it through the years. But now he has refined it into an art of instinctive gamesmanship. When communicating, he is either on the offensive or defensive.

He uses offence when he is attacking people and things:

  • Name calling
  • Ridicule -
  • Mockery
  • False equivalence
  • Exaggeration

He uses defense when he is defending himself against others and things:

  • Deception
  • Distraction
  • Denial
  • Exaggeration
  • Proclamation

What is interesting is he has the ability to instinctively switch between offence and defense in mid-sentence.

Most of these techniques are self-explanatory, except false equivalence, distraction, proclamation.

Example of False Equivalence:

"After white supremacists held violent rallies in Charlottesville, Virginia, Trump had a chance to denounce the hate and bigotry that led to the current situation during a press conference, Instead, he blamed “many sides.”

“We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides,” Trump said."

Example of Distraction

When questioned about global warming being a hoax created by the Chinese, he looks for a key word, to change the subject. In this case it is the key word hoax. He then says, I don't know about climate change being a hoax, but I will tell you that me losing the popular vote was a hoax...and we are off and running.

Examples of Proclamation

He will proclaim certain things that require congress to approve without them even knowing about it until he proclaims it. For example, he wanted a parade in his honor, or he is creating a Space Force, or he is giving the middle class a 10% tax cut without congress' knowledge because they are not in session.

These proclamations cause his staff to scramble to cover for him.

The following are quotes from recent news reports where Trump has lied and/or exaggerated the facts; followed by reporter's response to Trump's quotes.


Trump on the Honduran Caravan

Trump says, “They have a lot of everybody in that group, it’s a horrible thing. And it’s a lot bigger than 5,000 people,” referring to a massive caravan of Central American refugees currently plowing through Mexico en route to the U.S. (In fact, the migrant caravan is a lot smaller than 5,000 people.) But rather than be content with a heaven-sent midterm talking point, Trump escalated. “Go into the middle of the caravan, take your cameras, and search. . . . You’re going to find MS-13, you’re going to find Middle Eastern, you’re going to find everything.” Criminals, knife-wielding murderers, potential Islamic extremists"—that completes "Trump-midterm bingo.” When asked where is the evidence, he eludes to one of his favorite phrases, "lots of people tell me so."

Analysis

There is, of course, no reason to believe that “Middle Easterners” are mixed up in the caravan of refugees fleeing violence from El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras, beyond the fact that it would be convenient for Trump if it were true. A former senior intelligence official told NBC News that there is no evidence of any Middle Eastern terrorists hiding in the caravan. The White House has not responded to requests for comment regarding any of Trump’s claims.

Update 10/23/2018: When pressed on his claim that there are "Middle Easterners" in the migrant caravan moving toward the US southern border, President Trump said there is "no proof of anything, but there very well could be."

Trump on California Rioting

Trump says, "Californians are rioting against sanctuary cities", which he first tossed out at a campaign rally over the weekend. “Take a look, they want to get out of sanctuary cities. Many places in California want to get out of sanctuary cities,” he told a reporter, who then asked exactly where the riots were. “Yeah, it is rioting in some cases,” he replied, and moved on, ignoring additional questions on the topic."

Trump on Saudi Arabia and Jamal Khashoggi

Trump could not avoid questions about Jamal Khashoggi, the Saudi exile and former Washington Post columnist who was killed in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul earlier this month—but he could inflate the potential consequences of placing sanctions on his new friends in Riyadh. “I don't want to lose a million jobs, I don’t want to lose $110 billion,” he said, referring to an arms deal that has actually only earned $14.5 billion so far. “But it’s really $450 billion if you include other than military. So that’s very important. But we’re going to get to the bottom of it,” he added.

It’s not clear how the money at stake quadrupled in Trump’s mind, but then again, the president has a habit of inflating numbers when the mood strikes. On March 20, when the Saudi crown prince visited Washington, Trump claimed the arms deal would generate “over 40,000 jobs in the United States.” Last Saturday, that number jumped to 450,000 jobs, then to 500,000 jobs, then 600,000 jobs on Friday, and finally “over one million jobs” a few hours later, while visiting Luke Air Force Base in Arizona.

Trump about Ted Cruz

Arguably his most brazen falsehood, however, came in response to a question about Ted Cruz, who Trump was flying out to Texas to support. “He’s not Lying’ Ted anymore, he’s Beautiful Ted. I call him Texas Ted,” he said over the roar of helicopter blades, extolling the virtues of a man whose wife he’d insulted in the past. A reporter reminded him that he’d once accused Cruz’s father of being involved in the J.F.K. assassination, to which Trump replied: “I don’t regret anything, honestly. It all worked out very nicely.”

Trump on Middle Income Tax Cuts

Trump, at the very, very least, appeared to walk back an earlier fairy tale from Sunday, when he had baselessly asserted that he was “studying very deeply, around the clock, a major tax cut for middle-income people” that would come in “sometime around the first of November, maybe a little before that.” The one problem: Congress is not in session until after the election, and indeed, media outlets quickly reported that nobody in Washington had any idea what Trump was talking about. “I’m going through Congress. We won’t have time to do the vote,” he said Monday, barreling through the sort of, blatant falsehoods that might have been a major, years-long scandal for another president. The full conversation needs to be seen to be believed, or not, as the case may be:

Do you think Trump should be held accountable for his lying?

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Do you trust Trump even though he lies?

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Do you think Trump promotes violence in his rallies?

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    • Readmikenow profile image

      Readmikenow 

      3 weeks ago

      Bard, I agree. I've learned when people on the left talk about morals they fail to see their own double standards and hypocrisy on the subject. It always should be pointed out to them.

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      Brad Masters 

      3 weeks ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Mike

      No answer is an answer that you don't know the answer. BM 1-3:)

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      Readmikenow 

      3 weeks ago

      I don't know why the Democrat party values people who come into the country illegally over American citizens and legal immigrants. President Donald Trump values American citizens and legal immigrants over people who have broken the law to get here. Why do Democrats believe it is okay to kill babies who are alive and outside the womb? President Donald Trump wants to end this form of infanticide. Democrats would love to have the United States turn into a socialist country. President Donald Trump vows we will always be a free nation. I always wonder why Democrats are such hypocrites. I blame it on the party being a completely morally bankruptcy organization. Or maybe they just aren't smart enough or honest enough to realize what they're doing.

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      Brad Masters 

      3 weeks ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Mike

      "“ Brad: I just saw this.

      "Brad: You want facts? Below are facts about Trump's lies. In my book, if a president is constantly lying, then he is the one who is putting out fake news and is the real enemy of the people.

      B2: What did he lie about? Those 4,000 alleged lies were not lies, exaggeration maybe. That is a lot different than the media not verifying their facts in a story, or making an opinion about what he said. New is reporting the events, and editorial is giving the media's opinion.

      M2: Boy did you spin that one. I like the way you can use your opinion to dismiss 4,000 lies by calling them all exaggerations. The key operative you used is the word "maybe." I like the way that you”

      B3: You missed the information after Maybe, and the facts “you want facts”. Don’t have any yet!

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      B2: What is the significance of what you call his lies? Obama lied about ACA, and spying on Trump. These are significant lies.

      M2; Obama was given miss-information about "if you like your doctor, you get to keep him." As soon as he found out he corrected it.

      B3: Who gave him misinformation about his ACA? Is this the same kind of misinformation that GW Bush got from the US Intelligence agencies about Saddam and WMD?

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      Trump on the other hand lies about his lies and you call that changing his mind. Prove to me that Obama spied on Trump. If you can't then it is just your opinion.

      B: I asked you to pick the biggest Trump lie and give the significance?

      The FBI got a FISA warrant based on Carter Page and then three extensions that spied on Carter Page and everyone he contacted for a year into Trump’s presidency. Then the executive office went in an revealed the names of the people. Obama knew about it. Carter Page was used as the Trojan Horse to spy on Trump, and Carter Page was never even questioned by the FBI much less charged with any crime. The FISA warrant was given based on the Russian Dossier and it was not revealed as the source to the FISA court.

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      You can't even begin to compare Obama's morality to Trump's. With your view of Trump, you remind me of a parent that has an unruly child at school and when you are called in, you defend your child because my little Donald couldn't do all those things.

      B3: I gave you examples, and you give me a speech without discussing the specifics that I gave you. You haven’t given me any examples of Trump’s lies have you?

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      You see Trump through rose colored glasses. And leave me alone I don't have to prove anything to you. So stop badgering me. I have better things to do. Who cares if it has been 8 weeks since I have published a hub, that doesn't give you the justification to continue to harass me. According to you, I don't have any facts. Everything I have ever written is just my opinion. You may think you have facts, but it is only by your own judgement they are facts.

      B3: Now you are just attacking me. But it is OK for you to demand I give you facts, but how dare me that I ask you to do the same. As for your facts, we have a written record of what you call facts.

      My point about your lack of writing hubs is proof that Hp is not using objective standards for the hubber score. They gave you a 94 score for not writing hubs, and what is this site called hubpages. I write 169 hubs this year and 40 of them were featured, and I get a 32. Why do you think that you deserve a 94?

      What if we compare the performance of the past modern presidents in their first 2 years?

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      Brad Masters 

      3 weeks ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Mike continued from comment above

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      B3: What examples of this Fact Checking have you given? Give it your best shot to show their facts that support your opinions. Don’t just give me a link; bring it in to the comments so we can discuss it. This is their policy but it doesn’t show any examples of how they actually implemented it, does it?

      The Atlantic Link conflates Trump the private citizen with Trump the president. "

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      Brad Masters 

      3 weeks ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Mike

      Mike Russo

      59 minutes ago from Placentia California

      Brad: So you are comparing Trump's behavior and lies with all the people you listed. I call that a false equivalence. To me all of those people you listed collectively can't compare to Trump's behavior. Those listed have been in congress far longer than Trump has been in office. Trump is a chronic liar. You would have to live under a rock to not know and accept that.

      B3: Zero facts, all unproven accusations. My point is what is the significance about what you call Trump lies. How do they have any real value? What impact did it have on the country or the people? Obama’s lie had an impact on people’s health plan and doctors. It is either a lie or just incompetence especially when it is his health plan. If he didn’t know something this basic about the plan, than what else didn’t he know about it.

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      It appears you have no problem with the 8 years that the GOP congress blocked every move that Obama tried to make. Or no problem with Mitch McConnell saying that congress' job was to make Obama a one term president.

      B3: I am not a republican, but do you really think that the GOP on Obama is the same as the democrats on Trump? Do you see any comparison to the resistance of the GOP to the Demcorats? Did you see the GOP use Obama’s first State of the Union to protest him by not attending it?

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      Did you even look at the link that I posted? Why didn't you comment on that? No, you would rather come back with asking me to defend all the people you listed. Prove to me that those people are doing whatever it takes to get Trump out office. That is nothing more than your opinion based on fake news.

      B3: I am not asking a link for an answer, I asked you to argue your opinion. I didn’t ask this link any questions, I asked you?

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      Trump is not a morally just person. Those people have moral values. Now do I have to prove to you that Trump is morally defective? Here is a link that should do just that.

      B3: Your link makes accusations, but they don’t have any facts to prove them, and neither do you. Bill Cosby for example was innocent until he was proved guilty in a court of law, where is this level of proof in your statement or in your link? It doesn’t exist.

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      Mike Russo 

      3 weeks ago from Placentia California

      Brad: I just saw this.

      "Brad: You want facts? Below are facts about Trump's lies. In my book, if a president is constantly lying, then he is the one who is putting out fake news and is the real enemy of the people.

      B2: What did he lie about? Those 4,000 alleged lies were not lies, exaggeration maybe. That is a lot different than the media not verifying their facts in a story, or making an opinion about what he said. New is reporting the events, and editorial is giving the media's opinion.

      M2: Boy did you spin that one. I like the way you can use your opinion to dismiss 4,000 lies by calling them all exaggerations. The key operative you used is the word "maybe." I like the way that you

      B2: What is the significance of what you call his lies? Obama lied about ACA, and spying on Trump. These are significant lies.

      M2; Obama was given miss-information about "if you like your doctor, you get to keep him." As soon as he found out he corrected it.

      Trump on the other hand lies about his lies and you call that changing his mind. Prove to me that Obama spied on Trump. If you can't then it is just your opinion.

      You can't even begin to compare Obama's morality to Trump's. With your view of Trump, you remind me of a parent that has an unruly child at school and when you are called in, you defend your child because my little Donald couldn't do all those things.

      You see Trump through rose colored glasses. And leave me alone I don't have to prove anything to you. So stop badgering me. I have better things to do. Who cares if it has been 8 weeks since I have published a hub, that doesn't give you the justification to continue to harass me. According to you, I don't have any facts. Everything I have ever written is just my opinion. You may think you have facts, but it is only by your own judgement they are facts.

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    • peoplepower73 profile imageAUTHOR

      Mike Russo 

      3 weeks ago from Placentia California

      Brad: So you are comparing Trump's behavior and lies with all the people you listed. I call that a false equivalence. To me all of those people you listed collectively can't compare to Trump's behavior. Those listed have been in congress far longer than Trump has been in office. Trump is a chronic liar. You would have to live under a rock to not know and accept that.

      It appears you have no problem with the 8 years that the GOP congress blocked every move that Obama tried to make. Or no problem with Mitch McConnell saying that congress' job was to make Obama a one term president.

      Did you even look at the link that I posted? Why didn't you comment on that? No, you would rather come back with asking me to defend all the people you listed. Prove to me that those people are doing whatever it takes to get Trump out office. That is nothing more than your opinion based on fake news.

      Trump is not a morally just person. Those people have moral values. Now do I have to prove to you that Trump is morally defective? Here is a link that should do just that.

      https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/...

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      Brad Masters 

      3 weeks ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Mike

      Here is an example from your hub/

      "Trump and Instinctive Gamesmanship

      I have just coined that phrase. "Trump and Instinctive Gamesmanship" I have been observing Trump for a long time. At first, I thought he was a sociopathic liar. But now I'm beginning to believe that he actually enjoys sparrng with his opponents and learned how to do it through the years. But now he has refined it into an art of instinctive gamesmanship. When communicating, he is either on the offensive or defensive.

      He uses offence when he is attacking people and things:

      Name calling

      Ridicule -

      Mockery

      False equivalence

      Exaggeration

      He uses defense when he is defending himself against others and things:

      Deception

      Distraction

      Denial

      Exaggeration

      Proclamation

      What is interesting is he has the ability to instinctively switch between offence and defense in mid-sentence.

      Most of these techniques are self-explanatory, ex"

      B: How does this Trump accusation compare to the likes of what the democrats resistance, and statements made by top democrats.

      LIke, Nancy Pelosi, Kamela Harris, Maxine Waters, Adam Schiff, and others. You don't appear to have any problem with their Moral Imperative. Is there resistance, and their hatred of president Trump to where they say do whatever it takes to get him out of office the reason why they are in congress. Did they fail to live up to their oath of office by resistance in this offensive manner?

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad Masters 

      3 weeks ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Mike

      Once again you totally ignored my comment and started a different one.

      "Brad: You want facts? Below are facts about Trump's lies. In my book, if a president is constantly lying, then he is the one who is putting out fake news and is the real enemy of the people.

      B: What did he lie about? Those 4,000 alleged lies were not lies, exaggeration maybe. That is a lot different than the media not verifying their facts in a story, or making an opinion about what he said. New is reporting the events, and editorial is giving the media's opinion.

      What is the significance of what you call his lies? Obama lied about ACA, and spying on Trump. These are significant lies.

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      Trump calls all news except Fox fake and the enemy of the people because he wants to weaken them and make himself look superior. Everything Trump says and does is to make himself look superior to those he wants to divide and conquer.

      B:What you just wrote is all you opinion. What is the basis of those accusations.

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      Now you want me to prove it? I can, but a reply is not the correct forum for that, it requires and in-depth article.

      B: Why does it take an entire article to prove something? What made you write that accusation?

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      Why do you put so much energy into getting me to argue with you? I have learned that nothing I say is ever good enough for you. Everything is my opinion even if I show you facts like the link below.

      B: Mike you know that isn't true, your comment here is what you call facts, and it isn't fact it is your opinion. I am fine if you say, I don't have any facts, just my opinion.

      And you confuse and argument which is hostile to arguing ones case as they do in law to a jury.

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      It seems you are jealous of my hub score.

      B: I am not jealous of your score, but I don't like it when you attack my score instead of arguing your case. As I have already said, hubber scores are not objective, Hp is biased and applies that bias against pro Trumpers, I already answered that in my last comment.

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      I'm sorry your score isn't higher. I just try to write articles that I think will be of interest to others.

      B: You mean this anti Trump accusation? One that you will not support when asked questions about its veracity. This is not personal Mike it is all about what you write, but you have already made comments that are personal about me. What does my hubber score mean to you, it is now 34?

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      Do yourself a favor and stop expending your energy on digging up my old comments. What does that buy you? It seems it just makes you frustrated and makes you the victim.

      B: I have to comment on your old hubs because you don't write new ones. It doesn't frustrate me, and your topic is still in play "Anti Trump". I am not saying I am a victim, but it seems like you think you are a victim. How many times have you hit the Report Button?

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      I don't like Trump and that is my choice based on my reasons. You like him that is your choice based on your reasons.

      B: Your reasons are only your opinion, there is little to no basis in fact. One of my biggest reasons for liking Trump is that he wasn't a politician, and he didn't cause any of the problems that he inherited. That is a fact.

      Another reason that I like him is that he doesn't treat people like a baby telling them what they want to hear. He has his plan and he speaks about it all the time, and with his Tweets I don't have to have the media interpret for me. He also can change his mind as he gets new inputs. My reasons have a factual basis.

      I don't like everything he does, but he has accomplished a lot even with the anti Trump resistance from the democrats. Can you really deny that Trump hasn't performed and doesn't believe in making America his priority?

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      Here is the link to Trump's lies. I'm sure you won't accept them, even though they are facts."

      B: These are all compiled by anti Trumpers. What I have asked is for you to argue these alleged lies and put them into how they are a problem? You only give links, I am asking for your take.

      Give me the biggest lie, and tell me why you think it is a problem?

      I gave you some on Obama, and it is a problem because people lost their health plans, and their doctors. And this can be verified as a fact.

      It is not the alleged lie that I am having a problem with but it is the lack of significance. Where the Obama lie was significant when people can't keep their doctors. You must know that like any professional like your dentist, your contractor, your auto mechanics, your plumber, once you find one that is competent and honest you don't want to lose them.

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      Mike, I go to a lot of work writing my answers to your requests, but as in this current comment, you ignored most of the answers that I gave in my last comment.

      I also wrote an 1100 word hub to answer your question on Personal Partnership. And you told me to send it to Feinstein and Harris!

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      Mike Russo 

      3 weeks ago from Placentia California

      Brad: You want facts? Below are facts about Trump's lies. In my book, if a president is constantly lying, then he is the one who is putting out fake news and is the real enemy of the people. Trump calls all news except Fox fake and the enemy of the people because he wants to weaken them and make himself look superior. Everything Trump says and does is to make himself look superior to those he wants to divide and conquer. Now you want me to prove it? I can, but a reply is not the correct forum for that, it requires and in-depth article.

      Why do you put so much energy into getting me to argue with you? I have learned that nothing I say is ever good enough for you. Everything is my opinion even if I show you facts like the link below.

      It seems you are jealous of my hub score. I'm sorry your score isn't higher. I just try to write articles that I think will be of interest to others. Do yourself a favor and stop expending your energy on digging up my old comments. What does that buy you? It seems it just makes you frustrated and makes you the victim.

      I don't like Trump and that is my choice based on my reasons. You like him that is your choice based on your reasons.

      Here is the link to Trump's lies. I'm sure you won't accept them, even though they are facts.

      https://www.factcheck.org/person/donald-trump/

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      Brad Masters 

      3 weeks ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Mike

      "Brad: Now you are defining what a comment is? You just proved that nothing I say is ever good enough for you. It's like you are itching for a fight and I'm not going to get into an endless exercise in futility with you as to whether my comments are compelling enough evidence for you."

      B: Mike, my issue with you is that you never support your argument, and this latest comment from you here is the same as your other comments. Thank you doesn't make an argument, and that is why I gave you an argument. But instead of supporting your argument you just ignore it.

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      " I have other things to do in my life besides getting into an endless diatribe with you."

      B:

      My requests of you are not diatribes.

      "A diatribe is an angry speech or article which is extremely critical of someone's ideas or activities. The book is a diatribe against the academic left."

      My requests for you is to provide some support for your opinion. Do you think that writing an article is a one way street. Are the readers just supposed to use it as a factual reference?

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      You just called me a sheep, asked what my goal is for the US, and you want me to go back 30 years to prove what the left has done that is good.

      B: Here is what I said, "You are just a sheep of the left because you can't explain anything. You just avoid, deflect, mock, name call and have no purpose other than to dis president Trump.

      What is your goal for the US today, right now?

      You don't know do you!

      What has the left done for the US, and Americans in the last 10, 20, 30 or more years? Nothing Good!"

      And this is your answer, "You just called me a sheep, asked what my goal is for the US, and you want me to go back 30 years to prove what the left has done that is good."

      How is that an answer, it is an attack on me rather than supporting your opinion?

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      "So you called me a name and have given me a long assignment that will take most of my time and then nothing will be compelling enough evidence for you. And you want to know why I don't answer you."

      B: Yes, you didn't answer it did you? I took the time to read your article and I took the time to comment on your article. You took the time to write the article, but you have no time to discuss the article. You then call my quest for a question on 'your' article a reason not to answer it?

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      "I think you have a hard time looking inward. You claim that your low hub score is because HP favors the left and not the right. Have you ever looked at Jack Lee's hub score? He is a conservative. I don't think you have the ability to think, what's wrong with your own writing, yourr comments, and what you need to do to improve?"

      B:

      Now you have time to attack me, but not enough time to answer me. What I say is that Hp has bias against pro Trumpers. And I am not a democrat, liberal, republican, conservative or any other label. I just like Trump as president, the rest are just politicians.

      Jack Lee doesn't write my kind of articles, and he doesn't ask the questions that I ask.

      I have written and published 169 hubs this year, and I got a hubber score ranging for 40 to14. While anti Trumper's don't even have to write a hub and get into the 90s, and even a 100. Using a Bell Curve grading we already see the 100 and the 14. If Hp isn't biased in their scoring then they should make available the hubber score distribution curve to see where the mean is today. But they don't do that do they?

      Then you attack me further by saying " I don't think you have the ability to think, what's wrong with your own writing, yourr comments, and what you need to do to improve?"

      I have written dozens of hubs where I do research on hp and how they score, and I have drafted and redrafted articles, and unpublished some and I followed the recommendation given by Hp, and none of that has gotten me above a 40. Yet, I have published 169 hubs, of which 40 of them are featured. That alone should get me at least a 60.

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      "The main reason, I'm upset with Trump is because he lies, promotes violence and demeans the free press by calling them the fake news and the enemy of the people.

      A president that constantly lies and promotes violence is not to be trusted in my book. Actually, in my book, Trump is the fake news and the enemy of the "people" and it is just a matter of time until it all catches up with him and his supporters. It can be said all politicians lie, but not with the scope and magnitude of Trump. Have a nice day.""

      B: Here is where I have a major issue with you. These statements of yours don't have a single fact, and they are just your biased opinions. And what you said about Trump is what you say I complain about you.

      Is it too much to ask you to support that unfounded accusations?

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      Mike Russo 

      4 months ago from Placentia California

      Brad: Now you are defining what a comment is? You just proved that nothing I say is ever good enough for you. It's like you are itching for a fight and I'm not going to get into an endless exercise in futility with you as to whether my comments are compelling enough evidence for you. I have other things to do in my life besides getting into an endless diatribe with you.

      You just called me a sheep, asked what my goal is for the US, and you want me to go back 30 years to prove what the left has done that is good.

      So you called me a name and have given me a long assignment that will take most of my time and then nothing will be compelling enough evidence for you. And you want to know why I don't answer you.

      I think you have a hard time looking inward. You claim that your low hub score is because HP favors the left and not the right. Have you ever looked at Jack Lee's hub score? He is a conservative. I don't think you have the ability to think, what's wrong with your own writing, yourr comments, and what you need to do to improve?

      The main reason, I'm upset with Trump is because he lies, promotes violence and demeans the free press by calling them the fake news and the enemy of the people.

      A president that constantly lies and promotes violence is not to be trusted in my book. Actually, in my book, Trump is the fake news and the enemy of the "people" and it is just a matter of time until it all catches up with him and his supporters. It can be said all politicians lie, but not with the scope and magnitude of Trump. Have a nice day.

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      Brad Masters 

      4 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Acknowledgement is not a comment, and it is meaningless, vague and ambiguous. There is no context to determine what is being thanked.

      My point is that you don't ever give any compelling arguments to support your anti Trump opinions.

      Why are you so upset with having Donald Trump as president?

      The country is in the best shape, it has been in many decades. The only thing that is bad about the US today comes from the democrats who refuse to help Trump and the country.

      You are just a sheep of the left because you can't explain anything. You just avoid, deflect, mock, name call and have no purpose other than to dis president Trump.

      What is your goal for the US today, right now?

      You don't know do you!

      What has the left done for the US, and Americans in the last 10, 20, 30 or more years? Nothing Good!

    • peoplepower73 profile imageAUTHOR

      Mike Russo 

      4 months ago from Placentia California

      Brad: A big Thank you is acknowledgment.

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      Brad Masters 

      4 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Mike Russo

      Your comment is another proof that you don't answer, comment or acknowledge my comments. What does that say about you, and your opinions you call articles?

      You are welcome:)

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      Mike Russo 

      4 months ago from Placentia California

      Thank you Brad.

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      Mike Russo 

      4 months ago from Placentia California

      Lela: I believe Lindsey Graham has been a "kook" since we invaded Iraq and said all we have to do is train up the Iraqi troops and democratize the country; then we can leave.

      This tells me he had no idea of the Shia/Sunni dynamic that still continues to this day. I think John McCain kept him in check. Now that his buddy is gone, he is going off the rails again, only now Trump is his buddy.

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      Brad Masters 

      4 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      14th Amendment to the Constitution Was Ratified

      July 28, 1868

      Other groups tried to use the 14th Amendment to further their causes. Women attempted to use it to proclaim their right to vote, and African Americans tried to use it as well. On May 18, 1896, the Supreme Court ruled in the case of Plessy v. Ferguson that "separate but equal" facilities were considered sufficient to satisfy the 14th Amendment. It wasn't until May 17, 1954, however, that the Court reversed the Plessy decision, bringing the era of government-sanctioned segregation to an end.

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      Lela 

      4 months ago from Somewhere near the center of Texas

      Lindsey Graham has changed considerably since tRump was elected. I don't understand how he went from "He's a kook" to Trump supporter in less than two years.

      I have lost all faith in the Republican party.

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      Mike Russo 

      4 months ago from Placentia California

      Readmikenow: Quite frankly, I don't know how the Supreme Court would rule in this matter, given the new makeup of the justices. I do know that Lindsey Graham said he is sponsoring legislation to change Birthright Citizenship.

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      Readmikenow 

      4 months ago

      Mike, I agree with you. If the children of people here illegally can be denied citizenship will ultimately be decided by the Supreme Court. How do you think they will rule? I say they will uphold either President Donald Trump's executive order OR a law enacted by Congress denying citizenship to children born from parents here of illegally.

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      Mike Russo 

      4 months ago from Placentia California

      Readmikenow: I read the article and it looks like the key words here are "the full and complete jurisdiction of the United States." It seems like the SCOTUS are the only ones that can really interpret that phrase and provide a ruling.

      I just found this from the Annenberg Classroom. It is very informative about the 14th amendment.

      http://www.annenbergclassroom.org/page/fourteenth-...

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      Mike Russo 

      4 months ago from Placentia California

      Lela: Thank you for your comments. They are true hypocrites.

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      Lela 

      4 months ago from Somewhere near the center of Texas

      Golly gee! I wonder how some trumpsters could handle Obama or Hillary trying to change our constitution with an "executive" order?

      But for their "boy", well, anything goes, without question, without a challenge of any kind. They just cheer and cheer. It's almost like they are true hypocrites.

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      Readmikenow 

      4 months ago

      Mike,

      I agree that no president can change an amendment to the constitution. When Obama made DACA with an executive order, he stepped over the line of immigration laws.

      What can and probably be done, and will be done is laws based on an interpretation of the 14th amendment.

      It is complicated, but here is an article that puts the history and application of the 14th amendment in perspective.

      http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/23/no-fourteenth-...

    • peoplepower73 profile imageAUTHOR

      Mike Russo 

      4 months ago from Placentia California

      Brad: LMAOROTF!!!

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      Brad Masters 

      4 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Mike

      Is that your writing skill?

      You are really terrible at supporting your opinions. Do you really think that your writing is almost perfect, or do you think that hp is as biased as you are here?

      Thanks for repeating without opposition to all my points in your comment. No opposition is the same as agreement.

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      Mike Russo 

      4 months ago from Placentia California

      Readmikenow: Thanks for your comments. It's a moot point anyway. Trump is not going to be able to change the 14th amendment. This is all just fodder for his base, because of the mid-terms. It's typical Trump on his campaign trail.

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      Mike Russo 

      4 months ago from Placentia California

      Brad: LMAOROTF!!!

      Your analysis skills are poor, your writing skills don't really come into play because you just keep writing anti Trump stuff.

      You don't support your opinions, you don't use facts and you want accolades on your writing. These other people are too kind to you.

      You and your party are not America, and while you may be a citizen of the US, you don't reflect values of the country.

      You want the country to be like CA, and that is not a good thing. The democrats have run CA forever, and they have made it into a TAX TAX TAX social disgrace. And it has spread to the entire Pacific Northwest as CA left CA and moved to Oregon and Washington.

      Perhaps you would have liked to have Jerry Brown as president of the US. A $30 billion high speed train project that should be operational by now is now looking at $100 billion and not operational until 2030 or later. That is the accomplishment of democrats in office.

      And who starts a Los Angeles to Sacramento high speed train project in the middle of no where, only Jerry Brown.

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      Brad Masters 

      4 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Mike

      Your analysis skills are poor, your writing skills don't really come into play because you just keep writing anti Trump stuff.

      You don't support your opinions, you don't use facts and you want accolades on your writing. These other people are too kind to you.

      You and your party are not America, and while you may be a citizen of the US, you don't reflect values of the country.

      You want the country to be like CA, and that is not a good thing. The democrats have run CA forever, and they have made it into a TAX TAX TAX social disgrace. And it has spread to the entire Pacific Northwest as CA left CA and moved to Oregon and Washington.

      Perhaps you would have liked to have Jerry Brown as president of the US. A $30 billion high speed train project that should be operational by now is now looking at $100 billion and not operational until 2030 or later. That is the accomplishment of democrats in office.

      And who starts a Los Angeles to Sacramento high speed train project in the middle of no where, only Jerry Brown.

      As far as giving automatic citizenship to babies born on US soil the answer is simple. The product of illegal has to be illegal. Otherwise, there is no law and order.

      We now even have rich people around the world spending $80,000 just to dump their birth on US soil, so their baby will automatically be American Citizens. What other country allows that kind of citizenship. What is the benefit to the US when people take advantage of loopholes.

      Do we really want to reward Illegal aliens, and give them an anchor baby to bring in more of their family?

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      Mike Russo 

      4 months ago from Placentia California

      Brad, Brad, Brad, what am I going to do with you?

      B: What game are you playing.

      M:I'm not playing a game, but you are. You suckered my back into this sick game that you play.

      B: You are a very old white dude confused and bewildered by writing this socialist, left wing trite, but you can't, won't, don't have the fortitude to back up your sick view of politics.

      M: All you have to do is watch and listen to Trump instead of playing this sick game. Have you even watched any of his rallies or interviews, or proclamations, they speak for themselves?

      Mike, you are the one playing a game.

      B: You again and again complain about president Trump for doing exactly what you and your illegal alien party do.

      M: I have an illegal alien party, why don't you back that up?

      B:

      I will give you another shot at responding to this.

      "Mike

      "He uses offence when he is attacking people and things:

      Name calling

      Ridicule -

      Mockery

      False equivalence

      Exaggeration

      He uses defense when he is defending himself against others and things:

      Deception

      Distraction

      Denial

      Exaggeration

      Proclamation

      "

      These are the same things that you do when you comment, hardly a comment because it has nothing to do with what you didn't respond.

      If you write this, then why can't you support it.

      M: Again all you have to do is watch and listen to Trump. Even if I did do those things, which I don't. I'm not the president of the United States, when Trump; does it, it has far reaching consequences. I'm not going to defend myself with every one of the techniques that Trumps uses.

      B:You are a failure as a writer, an American, and a human being.

      M: Sure that is why I have a hub score of 95 and you can't get out of the 30's. That is why only a very few if any reply to you articles. That's why people, even in this article compliment my writing.

      I served in the Air Force and protected your young a$$ during the cold war. What did you do as an American other than put all those abbreviations after your name?

      B: That is your life!

      B: You and your politics have made CA the real s........e that it is today, and now you want the whole country to be like CA poop and all.

      M: Sounds to me like the wheels are starting to come off your wagon.

      B: Do you really support illegal aliens, carrying their country's flag and telling the US they will just walk across the US border because democrats like you say they will protect them.

      M: If I could answer that question, do you think I would be here arguing with you? I would go tell the POTUS, but he wouldn't listen to me anyway.

      B: You are your politics are totally despicable.

      M: Sounds to me like you have MDS (Mike Derangement Syndrome)

      del if u wish, that is the way the left rolls.

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      Readmikenow 

      4 months ago

      Well Mike, you and I don't agree. So, I hope you have a good day. On the birthright citizenship issue, you should read more about it. If your parents were in the country LEGALLY, you'd still be considered a citizen. I think there is more to it than you realize. My situation is a bit different. I wasn't born in the United States, but both my parents were US Citizens, so that made me a US Citizen. Yes, you do write well.

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      Brad Masters 

      4 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Mike

      Seriously, what are your values.

      This mob is carrying Honduran flags, they are being helped and staged for the mid term election. They have no allegiance to America, they don't care about the sovereignty of any country as they violenty bust their way across the border.

      And this is only one of three mobs formed in Central America, how do you not see this as an attack on the country.

      You choose to help these violent people while over a half million Americans are homeless and many of them drug addicts. Is that the way you treat your family, your home and your property.

      If so, give us your address so they people know where there is sanctuary.

      Stop your lies about using facts!

      What is your solution for these invaders?

    • peoplepower73 profile imageAUTHOR

      Mike Russo 

      4 months ago from Placentia California

      Thank You Paula. I'm an analyzer and I'm constantly analyzing him. You can tell by my style of writing that is what I'm doing. Writing for me is cathartic and I try to stay as factual as I can. If I didn't write about Trump, I would have to talk to my wife about him and she doesn't want to hear it.

      In one way he is fascinating to me. In another way I can't stand him. The thing that drives me most crazy about him is his constant drum beat of the MSM being the fake news and the enemy of the people. That poisons the well for so many well intended, real honest journalist and he knows it.

      I know that voting is the only way to hold him accountable, but ignoring his despicable behavior doesn't help either. I believe, it just emboldens him.

      This latest thing with the birthright order is insane. I'm Italian my parents came from Italy and I was born here. If Trump's policy was in effect, I would never be a citizen. It looks to me like he wants a white nationalist nation.

      You can say that all politicians are alike in terms of lying and their behavior, but Trump is not a politician. He is a well oiled machine that knows how to manipulate people and play to their fantasies. I believe he wants to manipulate and divide this country so that he can control it.

      Now he wants to put up to 15,000 military on the border. I just read his proclamation took the Pentagon by surprise.

      There are politicians that become president and they act presidential in some form or another. But Trump is neither a politician nor does he act presidential.

      Finally, you you also write well Paula

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      Brad Masters 

      4 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Mike

      What game are you playing.

      You are a very old white dude confused and bewildered by writing this socialist, left wing trite, but you can't, won't, don't have the fortitude to back up your sick view of politics.

      Mike, you are the one playing a game.

      You again and again complain about president Trump for doing exactly what you and your illegal alien party do.

      B:

      I will give you another shot at responding to this.

      "Mike

      "He uses offence when he is attacking people and things:

      Name calling

      Ridicule -

      Mockery

      False equivalence

      Exaggeration

      He uses defense when he is defending himself against others and things:

      Deception

      Distraction

      Denial

      Exaggeration

      Proclamation

      "

      These are the same things that you do when you comment, hardly a comment because it has nothing to do with what you didn't respond.

      If you write this, then why can't you support it.

      You are a failure as a writer, an American, and a human being.

      That is your life!

      You and your politics have made CA the real s........e that it is today, and now you want the whole country to be like CA poop and all.

      Do you really support illegal aliens, carrying their country's flag and telling the US they will just walk across the US border because democrats like you say they will protect them.

      You are your politics are totally despicable.

      del if u wish, that is the way the left rolls.

    • peoplepower73 profile imageAUTHOR

      Mike Russo 

      4 months ago from Placentia California

      Brad: I'm not playing this game with you. Get a life.

    • peoplepower73 profile imageAUTHOR

      Mike Russo 

      4 months ago from Placentia California

      Brad: i'm not playing this game with you. Get a life.

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      Paula 

      4 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Hi Mike....Gotta give you credit for your persistence. The only reason I'm able to understand your passion (hatred of DJT) is that I can equate your utter contempt for him to my own, of your girl, HRC. However, the difference between us is that I don't continually write about her because she's not worth a moment of my precious time and she does a superb job of making a liar, ass, & pure phony of herself. Then again, she's not POTUS, nor will she ever be, THANK GOD.

      I do find it necessary to repeat myself though. Since I recently commented on my total lack of surprise and/or shock regarding Trump's behavior that has half the country in a continual uproar.....this article of yours allows me further cause to yawn....(No disrespect intended) I mean, seriously, Mike.....Politicians lie?? Oh My! In my opinion, "deceit" is a blatant, obvious, constant character flaw of P-O-L-I-T-I-C-I-A-N-S....Period! Are you honestly going to tell me I am wrong or that this is not true? They ALL lie, some more than others, some lies bigger, or more damaging than others, many, lie as a rule, others when they're covering for egregious behavior or actions. Bottom line, without question, lies, deceit, cover-ups, manipulation, exaggeration.....these are all part and parcel of presenting one's self as a Politician. For Pete's sake, Mike, it's the very definition of the word! From our own local people, Mayors, Municipality judges & officers to Congressmen, Senators ...all the way to the top.

      I'm not going to add links, articles of proof, a long tedious list of PROVEN lies by Politicians through the years. It's not at all necessary. We all know how to access this info and we can all read. Most importantly, in private,we can all admit to ourselves what we may not be willing to state publicly. Human nature. In my case, I don't give a damn if someone agrees with me or not. It's only important to me to be honest with myself & true to what I know.

      I appreciate hearing many diverse opinions. It's helpful to know how our fellow-Americans think and feel. Sometimes I agree, often I don't.....this is what makes us free-thinking individuals in a great country that allows it. Quite often, I also will listen to someone and all I can think to ask is, "So, what's your point?" with a series of questions to follow. Our only real power is our VOTE. Right? If you or anyone knows of something more, I'd love to know what that is.

      Needless to say, I apologize for not being able to respond to your polls. I realize your article focuses on Trump, thus your polls do as well. Had you substituted his name for the word "Politicians," I could have and would have voted.

      YES, I feel "They" should be held accountable for their lies.

      NO, of course I do not trust them even though they lie.

      No, I personally don't believe violence can be promoted except in weak-minded, morally bankrupt people prone to violence, to begin with.

      I trust ZERO news outlets. (I can't think of a single valid reason why any of us should)

      Finally, you write well, Mike!

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      Brad Masters 

      4 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Mike

      Can you give examples of moral imperative for Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, or any one else that contrasts that of president Trump?

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      "A moral imperative is a strongly-felt principle that compels that person to act. It is a kind of categorical imperative , as defined by Immanuel Kant . Kant took the imperative to be a dictate of pure reason , in its practical aspect."

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      " For example, following the moral law for truth was seen to be reasonable."

      Really what does that mean?

      "The moral argument: If God does not exist, objective moral values and duties do not exist. Objective moral values and duties do exist. Therefore God exists."

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      Brad Masters 

      4 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Mike

      B:

      You deflected again, I took the time once again to go over your article, and your comments and made responses to them but you did what you blame president Trump for doing.

      And that was my key comment, and you made my point by not answering my response.

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      "Brad: I am over it. You and your Trumpsters are the one who keeps bringing Hillary up.

      B:

      You keep saying that but why should anyone believe you.

      If it is not Hillary than why are you upset with everything Trump?

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      I don't care about his campaign promises so far, they haven't worked out.

      B:

      His campaign promises were not lies like all the previous presidents. And what didn't work was the resistance of the democrats.

      Why do you want open borders? Why do you want illegal aliens to come into the US, like those carry Honduran flags and coming to invade the US border. Why are these people who could care less about Americans they carry their flag. Why should you want to help these people, while a half a million people in the US are homeless?

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      I do care about him calling the MSM the fake news and the enemy of the people. That is what Hitler and Stalin did

      B:

      You realize that kind of talk is inflammatory, divisive and not true. When people hear Hitler and Stalin they think about the millions of their own people that they killed. And they didn't have any resistance, while the democrat spend every second resisting and dividing the country.

      When the bombs were mailed to the democrats, and then we found it was a nut that was a Trump supporter. What did the media do with that story? They blamed Trump and that is why they are the enemy of the people. There is no basis to report these things, especially in a headline. Where is the objectivity of the media?

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      That is so dangerous and all you people are focused on his campaign promises

      B:

      The danger comes from the bias reporting by the media, and people like you that mimic it.

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      . Did he bring the coal miners back to work? Did he bring the steel workers back to work? His tariffs are making it far worse for many industries that buy material from China. He has increased the budget deficit by 600 billion for this fiscal year."

      B:

      None of these are facts, they are just stories from your left biased media.

      Compare the eight years where Obama didn't accomplish his campaign promises, and what he did to the economy? Now he wants to take credit for Trump's economy.

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      B:

      I will give you another shot at responding to this.

      "Mike

      "He uses offence when he is attacking people and things:

      Name calling

      Ridicule -

      Mockery

      False equivalence

      Exaggeration

      He uses defense when he is defending himself against others and things:

      Deception

      Distraction

      Denial

      Exaggeration

      Proclamation

      "

      These are the same things that you do when you comment, hardly a comment because it has nothing to do with what you didn't respond.

      Your polls are also biased, you make the assumption that the only choice includes Trump lying? I started to take the poll but then realized it was biased no matter which answer you choose.

      It is ironic that you use the technique of the left and then you apply it to the president. It is OK for you and the left but it is different when you apply it to the right.

      As for the left, president Obama said we shouldn't let illegal aliens come into the country, Mr. Obama now is carrying the left's open border let everyone into the country.

      There are tapes showing president Obama and Mr. Obama making these contradictory statements, but if president Trump said it they would be called lies.

      Did Trump lie about his campaign promises, no, he accomplished many of them even with the total resistance of the democrats.

      Get over it Mike, your Hillary and the democrats lost the 2016 election."

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      Mike Russo 

      4 months ago from Placentia California

      Thanks Lela for your comments: When Trump makes proclamations like ending birthright with an executive order and sending up to 15,000 thousand active military to the border, it just drives his staff and the GOP crazy to have to cover for him. I feel so sorry for Sarah Sanders. She has to lie through her teeth to cover for him. She never looks happy.

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      Lela 

      4 months ago from Somewhere near the center of Texas

      Yes, the biggest thing to me is not that the Republicans are "sore losers", but that they are now in control, they won, they control all 3 branches of government, and now they continue to be "sore winners" too!

      Blaming everyone but themselves for issues they can't solve, won't solve, won't even work togeter with themselves to solve. It's total madness.

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      Mike Russo 

      4 months ago from Placentia California

      Brad: I am over it. You and your Trumpsters are the one who keeps bringing Hillary up. I don't care about his campaign promises so far, they haven't worked out. I do care about him calling the MSM the fake news and the enemy of the people. That is what Hitler and Stalin did. That is so dangerous and all you people are focused on his campaign promises. Did he bring the coal miners back to work? Did he bring the steel workers back to work? His tariffs are making it far worse for many industries that buy material from China. He has increased the budget deficit by 600 billion for this fiscal year.

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      Mike Russo 

      4 months ago from Placentia California

      Lela: Thanks for your comments. Trump is not uniter. He is a divide and conquer kind of person. That's how he gains control.

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      Mike Russo 

      4 months ago from Placentia California

      Don: Thanks for your comments. Trump has to be held accountable, but there is no one to do it and he knows it, so he will continue to do it.

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      Don Shepard 

      4 months ago

      Good points here...the lies will catch up. And, as Lela states, not all politicians lie like Trump. I've never seen a politician lie, get caught in a lie, and then lie about what he said when the evidence is so clear. He lies about lying and basically says, "So what, my supporters still adore me."

      Also, Trump was not supposed to be a politician right? That's what so many said they like about him. So simply stating he's playing political games doesn't work either.

      This is not how democracy lives on, this is not American behavior and there will be repercussions.

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      Lela 

      4 months ago from Somewhere near the center of Texas

      Just because "all politicians lie" doesn't mean anything. It's HOW they lie, How big the lie is, and who will suffer because of it.

      The president of the USA is accountable to we, the people. When he lies, he is hurting all of us.

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      Brad Masters 

      4 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Mike

      "He uses offence when he is attacking people and things:

      Name calling

      Ridicule -

      Mockery

      False equivalence

      Exaggeration

      He uses defense when he is defending himself against others and things:

      Deception

      Distraction

      Denial

      Exaggeration

      Proclamation

      "

      These are the same things that you do when you comment, hardly a comment because it has nothing to do with what you didn't respond.

      Your polls are also biased, you make the assumption that the only choice includes Trump lying? I started to take the poll but then realized it was biased no matter which answer you choose.

      It is ironic that you use the technique of the left and then you apply it to the president. It is OK for you and the left but it is different when you apply it to the right.

      As for the left, president Obama said we shouldn't let illegal aliens come into the country, Mr. Obama now is carrying the left's open border let everyone into the country.

      There are tapes showing president Obama and Mr. Obama making these contradictory statements, but if president Trump said it they would be called lies.

      Did Trump lie about his campaign promises, no, he accomplished many of them even with the total resistance of the democrats.

      Get over it Mike, your Hillary and the democrats lost the 2016 election.

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      Miebakagh Fiberesima 

      4 months ago from Port Harcourt, Rivers State, NIGERIA.

      Hello, Mike, don't you think Trump is in the mode of politics? He is a politician and a business man. You know how politician behave. They talks are not always forthcoming. It is double speak always.

      They was this United Nations Secretary-General, from the West African country of Ghana called Kofi, now late who during the nascent democracy of Nigeria, my country come visiting President Olusegun Obansanjo. When leaving, he said he is coming again. More than sixteen years before he died, we did not see him. He's he lying? That I do not know.

      Now, all politicians are like that. They speak on both sides of the mouth. That is they game. Thank you.

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