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Vegans Can Eat Meat! Justification for and Objections Against It

Updated on January 27, 2018
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She is a vegan, married and childfree; a lover of nature and wildlife; has two dogs and six, sometimes seven, other four-legged boarders.

Yes! You read it right.

Veganism is not about avoiding the consumption of meat.

  • That chicken you bought at the supermarket was once a living being that didn't want to die or become food for another being. Since meat cannot be obtained without the animal getting killed, vegans cannot, therefore, eat it. No animal, a pig, for example, (or a human being, for that matter) would voluntarily offer its throat to be slit open, its whole body to be grilled and roasted, its muscles and organs to be chopped into pieces so someone gets to eat.
  • There is no such thing as humane or quick and painless death either. Murder is murder, abuse is abuse, violence is violence no matter how "less" or "light" it is. These non-human animals still end up killed/slaughtered for their flesh and/or skin.

~animal flesh in varied forms~
~animal flesh in varied forms~ | Source

Why, then, am I claiming that veganism is not about not eating meat? That is because meat is not the issue. Killing is the issue!

So, when can vegans eat meat?

  • Vegans can eat meat when an animal that has lived a life in health and freedom died of natural causes like old age. But it can be a tricky situation. If the animal, though had lived a life in health and freedom, was raised for the purpose of eating it upon death, then it is not acceptable. The purpose of raising was wrong. The intention was unethical and flawed. Therefore, animals raised for this purpose is not vegan. But if the motive is the care and protection, then consumption is incidental and not relevant to ethical veganism.
  • Vegans can also eat, for example, some of the remains, but not all of it, of a lion's kill. The state or condition (fresh or decaying) of the flesh is not a concern of veganism. To eat or not to eat a carrion or a decaying flesh is a matter of personal choice.

What About Roadkill?

  • Roadkill is problematic. Roads themselves are non-vegan. The construction of roads had made many animals homeless. They are unfortunate instruments of disability and death to creatures that have no use or need of them. This means that a vegan cannot eat it. But if he finds one, he can choose to feed it to a carnivore or keep it off the road for other creatures to feast on.

Oppositions Towards the Concept

Many vegans oppose the concept of eating naturally dead meat due to the following reasons:

  • It is unethical. Ethics always involves life -the living and our relationships with them.

If the thought or the very idea of eating a naturally dead animal (including humans, of course) disgusts us or is revolting to us, that feeling has something to do with our choice or sensibility or cultural upbringing. It has NOTHING TO DO with veganism.

Bringing health issues in consuming naturally dead animals has nothing to do with veganism. If eating a naturally dead human or non-human animal is being disrespectful to the dead, again, it has nothing to do with veganism.

When we were non-vegans, like most non-vegans today, we did not eat naturally dead animals -we only ate murdered animals- not because of a vegan reason, but because of the above-mentioned reasons: choice, sensibility, cultural upbringing.

~piles of dung cakes are traditionally used as fuel in India for making food~
~piles of dung cakes are traditionally used as fuel in India for making food~
  • Using the dead is wrong because we are treating it as a thing or a commodity.

If the dead cannot be commodified, is there a time-frame after which it ceased to be dead? What about using certain parts of the dead as in hair, feathers, or bones? What about certain non-living parts of the living, for example, dung or feces? Should cow dung not be used as fertilizer because, whether we agree or not, fertilizer is one of the biggest commodities there is today? What about human beings themselves? How should we treat, for example, our hair after it is cut? Is it acceptable to commodify it, turn it into a wig, or does it need respectable treatment like burial ceremony? What about the display of fossilized artifacts in museums, isn’t it the same commodification that happens in zoos by this logic?

And of course, there always remains the issue of what should vegans do with the dead and which method of treating the dead is the vegan method. Is it burial, incineration, putrefaction, dissection, left for scavengers, etc? Surely we cannot justify any particular method ethically because the dead do not have ethics.

We also have to remember that there is more to life than just ethics. But it is certainly ethical to eat an animal that has lived a life of freedom and health and died a natural death. Respect for the dead is a cultural aspect rather than an ethical vegan aspect.

  • Using the naturally dead animals is exploitation and is violence.

Violence cannot be done to the dead. So, it is illogical to claim that using naturally dead animals is violence.

The only time using dead animals becomes an exploitation is when we gather all the dead around us to sell for profit or to be used or consumed all for ourselves. The same is true with hoarding all the fruits, vegetables, living space, etc. for our own benefits alone leaving other animals that depend on them hungry and homeless. That is exploitation!

Now, someone might declare and argue, "It is okay then to rape a dead person since violence cannot be done to the dead!" First, it is not rape when one is sexually intimate with a dead person. It is necrophilia. Necrophilia is a mental disorder. And whoever engages in necrophilia must be institutionalized. Second, rape is never ethical. It is an action punishable by law.

  • The dead is not a thing to be used.

What is wrong with treating things as...things? We are surrounded by things. We thrive on them. We depend on them! Don’t we respect our house, our phones, our car, our stove, our camera? Don’t we take care of them?

The dead becomes a thing, which is not a bad thing because it is no longer living. It is no longer sentient and, therefore, not capable of feeling pain and leading an independent existence. The concept of violence cannot be applied to the dead. How we treat the dead is a matter of culture and social consensus. It falls outside the bounds of ethical vegan philosophy.

Let your opinion be heard.

Vegan or not, would you eat a naturally dead animals (animals that are considered food today)?

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The real issue of veganism is murder, abuse, and harm to the lives of other creatures and taking away their opportunity to live a life of freedom and independence and not about eating meat. A man may have abstained from consuming animals and animal products but it doesn't automatically mean that he is a vegan. He can still kick a cat, beat a dog, destroy a bird's nest, or support the fur and leather factory. So, if someone is an ethical vegan, he, without doubt, has understood that meat is not the issue. It is murder and violence!

Veganism is the natural outflow of the philosophy of “live and let live” and “do unto others what you want to be done unto you”. If one understands these utterly simple and ancient concepts, the rest follows. No muddle, no confusion, no rage or rant --just the pure wisdom of love and concern for all our fellow beings.

Therefore, the core theme of ethical veganism is non-violence towards our fellow humans and sentient non-human beings and the acknowledgment of their freedom to lead fulfilling lives.

And just because a naturally dead animal can be eaten, it doesn’t mean we need to. But if we have a problem with other people eating it, then again, it has nothing to do with veganism or being unethical.

Further readings:

For more understanding on the issue, James McWilliams, a professor of history at Texas State University, wrote a four-part series on the philosophical defenses of eating animals. Here's the link to the first-part: Can Eating Meat Be Ethical? You can find the rest of the articles on the page.

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    • Miebakagh57 profile image

      Miebakagh Fiberesima 

      5 months ago from Port Harcourt, Rivers State, NIGERIA.

      Hi Astralrose, thank you for the link.

      Some western trained medical doctors are moving to vegetarian and veganism.

      To me, the best is to combined animal and vegetable.

      Vegetables can be combined in more than four kinds of stuff to equal a single egg or meat protein. Nonetheless, the egg or meat protein still proves superior as regards absorption in the body.

      Thank you.

    • Astralrose profile imageAUTHOR

      Astralrose 

      5 months ago from India

      Miebakagh, all your arguments, and justifications for eating animals have been answered already. I refer you to these two websites, among countless others, for further readings.

      https://theveganspeak.com/guide/

      http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/

      The above two links are about the ethical aspects of veganism. And this one is the health aspect of a plant-based diet: https://nutritionfacts.org/

    • Miebakagh57 profile image

      Miebakagh Fiberesima 

      5 months ago from Port Harcourt, Rivers State, NIGERIA.

      Hello Astralrose, whether you eat a dead animal is up to you. All animals what to live? Okay, some animals depend on others for food, right? Should you go and feed on the killed dead animal? I think this is absurd.

      Again, a lion will kill a cow for food. Can you tell the lion that the cow decides to live, and not die for meat?

      Common sense tells you that certain animals are food for human beings.

      But heretic religion will tell you not to eat cow meat because it has a soul.

      Do not plants and vegetables a living thing? Can you say plants can decide to live or die?

      Plants and animals are not human beings with a spirit soul. That is why these become foods and we eat them.

      I hope this helps.

    • Astralrose profile imageAUTHOR

      Astralrose 

      5 months ago from India

      Miebakagh, eating meat or animal flesh is a personal choice but taking a life of another is nobody's choice. Only the animal can decide whether they want to live or die. All evidence points to that every animal wants to live. After they die (not murdered, but a natural death), what is done to their body is not relevant to them. If you read the article again, you might get a better understanding that you can eat a dead animal if you want to but you or any other human can never kill for food or other purposes. You have the right to eat anybody but you don't have the right to murder anybody.

    • Miebakagh57 profile image

      Miebakagh Fiberesima 

      5 months ago from Port Harcourt, Rivers State, NIGERIA.

      Hi Catherine, the question of eating meat or animal flesh, to put it simply, is up to each person to decide.

      Thanks.

    • Miebakagh57 profile image

      Miebakagh Fiberesima 

      5 months ago from Port Harcourt, Rivers State, NIGERIA.

      The question of eating meat or animal flesh, to put it simple, is up to each person to decide.

    • CatherineGiordano profile image

      Catherine Giordano 

      5 months ago from Orlando Florida

      You have given me a new understanding of veganism. I thought it just meant not eating or using animals. You use the word vegan, the way the word kosher is used--as part of a religion. I knew ethical concerns were behind veganism, but I did not realize that veganism was a quasi-religion which dictated on ethical issues. If I had a question about what was kosher, I would consult a rabbi, but who speaks for vegans? Isn't it an individual decision?

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      Sanxuary 

      8 months ago

      I find it odd that people choose a diet strictly on belief. Even in the Bible the idea of kosher was about being clean and avoiding dangerous foods. It also taught people to have control over their own bodies. It was the lesson and the practice that was more important then the rules governing their lives. I will tell you that being vegan is most important when it comes to health. I have proof that going vegan for 30 to 60 days a year to simply balance your system has major health benifits. I am not convinced that going vegan your entire life is the best thing. Its incredibly difficult because the food industry is terrible. What I am really trying to tell you is promoting it for health reasons is far more important then animal activismn. I could tell you right now that anyone with heart issues or cholestrerol problems would see results in 30 days. Convincing someone to do anything to improve their health even if its killing them is extremely hard to do. It can be just as difficult to convince people of belief to realize there are other very good reasons to promote something. A 30 day vegan diet once a year can balance you for the rest of the year. A person who is suffering from just about everything would find it worth trying.

    • Mandy Mason Marti profile image

      Mandy Mason Martin 

      8 months ago from Nashville, Tn.

      Thank you for your article and the information. My son is a vegan. My husband and I love veggies and fruits. In the last two years, my son and I share our vegan recipes and create new ones together. Once in a while we will still eat meat as we are in transition, but really prefer dishes of veggies or fruit. My son has turned us on to lots of tofu and soy recipes that we enjoy weekly. After reading your article, I am going to begin studying veganism. I must admit, the philosophy is foreign to me but I would very much like to learn. Thank you again,

      Mandy Mason

    • Astralrose profile imageAUTHOR

      Astralrose 

      8 months ago from India

      @ptosis: "choice, sensibility, cultural upbringing" mostly refer to vegans and non-vegans 'not eating naturally dead animals'. Killing animals for food or clothing is not a matter of choice for humans because that is neglecting the fact that the animal has his/her choice, too, and that is to live.

      Yes. There are places in the world that are not suitable for human habitation, and though those who choose to live in such places hunt/kill animals for food, it doesn't mean that the action acceptable and justifiable. If, these people scavenge or find an already dead animal and eat it, it is still a vegan or an ethical act.

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      ptosis 

      8 months ago from Arizona

      Thanks for the article. "choice, sensibility, cultural upbringing"

      Somebody who live in Barrows, Alaska is unable to become a vegan.

      My Dad always bagged a deer every year. After a week of eating deer, I would go to the store and GAG from the stink of the rotting meat on the shelves. But once eating store meat - the smell didn't bother me anymore. The meat that is not vacuumed pack has an unnatural bright red by being gassed with carbon monoxide to make decayed meat look good.

      Open a family sized hamburger product that looks bright red on the outside and grey in the inside is disgusting.

      I don't blame vegans for not eating store bought meat, it's really is rather old and rancid. But I bet that if ever had to kill to live and dressed it and ate it, they would not throw up.

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