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What This Country Needs Are More Patriots: A Moment With Bill Reflection

Updated on February 4, 2014

First a Definition

Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.

John F. Kennedy

Patriot is a word that has had its definition distorted over the years. I found this definition online and it works for the purpose of this article:

pa·tri·ot

[pey-tree-uht, -ot or, esp. British, pa-tree-uht] Show IPA

noun

1.

a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.

2.

a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, especially of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government.

I love the first definition; I can certainly use the second as well.

According to those definitions, the United States certainly has its share of patriots. I suspect that is also true of other nations around the globe. Certainly England has no shortage of patriots; Canada, Sweden, Germany, Italy, Bolivia, Japan…so many patriots, all loving, supporting, and willing to defend his/her country. All devoted to their country, all considered defenders of individual rights…so many people with common goals and desires.

Which leads me to a rather obvious question: why is there so much divisiveness in the United States? England? Italy? If we all want the same thing, then what seems to be the problem?

The government is not our problem
The government is not our problem | Source

We Understand the Problems But…..

Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about.

Mark Twain

We cannot come to an agreement on how to solve the problems, and therein lies the core issue that we must face before it destroys us.

Spend about ten minutes on Facebook and I promise you that you will find some rather nasty statements that go something like this:

“The damned Liberals are ruining our country.”

“Get rid of the Republicans and our nation can be great once again.”

“The Tea Party is just another name for Communist.”

“Democrats want to drown the country in deficits.”

“Republicans hate minorities.”

Does any of this sound familiar?

Can any of those statements in any way be considered constructive? Is there any good that can come from posting hateful comments? Any at all? I fail to see any but I definitely see harm that comes from them.

We badger Congress and we blame the bought-and-paid-for politicians for their failure to act for the common good, and yet we are incapable on an individual level of extending the olive branch and getting down to the business of compromise.

We are our own worst enemies.

An Experiment That I Know Would Work

I belong to a writer’s community called HubPages. In that community I have come in contact with thousands of writers who are also, yes, human beings. As such they have strong opinions not only about writing but about politics, religions, all issues that concern us all.

I do not think I am breaking any confidences by relating a little story to you using real people from Hubpages. There are many writers who I admire but do not agree with politically. Three such writers are men named Chris, Wayne and Will. They, and I, are at completely different ends of the political spectrum and yet we are all patriots. All four of us love our country. All four of us would defend our country and defend individual rights as written in the United States Constitution. I believe the best solutions for the problems in this country can be found to the left of the political spectrum; my three friends can be found a bit more right on that same spectrum.

And yet we are all patriots.

Put the four of us in a room with instructions to solve one of society’s problems; the only rule of conduct is that compromise must be a part of the process; and I promise you the four of us could come to agreement.

I have never formally met those gentlemen but I know I am right. We could find a way to compromise because we all want what is best for our country…not for corporations and not for lobbyists…what is best for our country as a whole.

Could I find compromise with any of these people? Of course!
Could I find compromise with any of these people? Of course! | Source

The Biggest Problem Hindering Our Nation

Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear - kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor - with the cry of grave national emergency.

Douglas MacArthur

We have lost the ability to compromise. Every political discussion, whether it be in the Halls of Congress or Joe’s Bar, consists of my way or the highway attitudes. I am right, you are wrong, and if you don’t agree with me then you must be anti-American. I know what’s best for you and I’m going to shove it down your throat despite your protestations.

And while we are all arguing amongst ourselves, and calling each other names, and further broadening the gulf, the high-paid fat cats in Washington D.C. are dancing to the music of special interest groups who in no way have our interests at heart.

Do you not see it happening? Am I the only one who understands this?

As I write this we are approaching mid-term elections. When those elections are completed there will be some gains and some losses in both major Parties, and then the dysfunctional political system will continue as it has for decades.…malfunctioning every step of the way and accomplishing next to nothing.

It is time for change.

But How Do We Fix Something so Horribly Broken?

I can think of two things I would like to see done tomorrow. I would like to see the Two Party system abolished and I would like to see all campaign contributions outlawed. There would be no Democrats, no Republicans, no Tea Partiers, no nothing….just patriots running for office using their own funds to make that run.

But since the year is 2014 and we are dealing with realities, I will offer the only solution that makes sense for all of us….are you ready?

We must all become true patriots. We must dedicate ourselves to stop the name-calling and stop the vile hatred of the “other side.” We must learn compromise at a local level before we can ever hope to reach it nationally. We must work towards the “common good;” not the good of the Right and not the good of the Left; the common good recognizes that there are those who have no political voice and that they are every bit as important as the chairman of some committee or the CEO of some corporation.

I can work with any of you; are you willing to try?
I can work with any of you; are you willing to try? | Source

I Will Make This As Clear As I Possibly Can

Republicans are not my enemy. Tea Partiers are not my enemy. Those who want more taxation or less taxation are not my enemies. The only true enemies I have, and that this country has, are ignorance, complacency and apathy.

True patriots love, support and defend their country while working for individual rights.

That leaves us, then, with only one remaining question: are you a true patriot who is willing to meet at the table of compromise so that real solutions can be found?

If you aren’t then what exactly are you?

2014 William D. Holland (aka billybuc)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      That says it all, Deb! Thank you!

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      Deb Hirt 3 years ago from Stillwater, OK

      You are so right. How can we have deferent parties and get along? Compromise is of the essence, and yes, we can all sit down together and find a solution. We did it in the past, and we can do it now. Differences are meant to be the melting pot, not something that is bad. We learn from each other, then take those new ideas and create more. Don't say WHY, say WHY NOT!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sanxuary, bravo! I expect the system to collapse and I'm convinced it will help us in the long run. I'm preparing for it. :) Thank you!

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      Sanxuary 3 years ago

      A real patriot would defy the current definition. Its not the flag that flies anymore or honoring decades of false wars and phony history to empower an oligarchy. Its truly not agreeing with our current politicians or a Republic that no longer cares about people. Our nation is corrupt to the bone and the only true patriots are meek powerless and ordinary people who pay a price every day to keep the wealthiest people in power. There is nothing wrong with the system if you work for nothing, pay taxes and complain about the tread mill until they profit from your death. A true Patriot lost any reason to care if the whole system collapsed tomorrow. If anything perhaps it would be a better chance at something better.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ann, you have been a doll today, visiting me so often. Thank you kind lady. I personally do not believe in the political system any longer. I think we need a revolution that will shake the establishment and then force change. It has come to that in my mind.

      Sleep well my friend and sweet dreams.

      bill

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      Ann Carr 3 years ago from SW England

      Every time I read your hubs on this subject, I find that they apply precisely to this country too. We do have a system that encompasses more than two parties but we still have the same problems and, essentially, it does boil down to the main two parties. Each one always blames the other and each one vows to do things better. However, they never do! Funny none of them has noticed that yet but then they're too busy concentrating on their own interests, how much money and power they can gain, how many fingers in how many pies.

      In fact, this must happen all over the world, which makes me think that it must be human nature - how do we deal with that? As you say, one by one, we make a difference, we voice our opinions and we vote for compromise, for common sense, for someone who's kind and reasonable and unselfish - hang on, I don't know any politicians who have those qualities! So we have to change the system I guess. One day, maybe, just maybe.....

      You always make us think, bill.

      Signing off now after a long, busy day! Ann

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Michael my friend, I truly do appreciate your comment and I understand totally where you are coming from with that thought...thank you again and blessings to you and yours this week and always.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dianna, interestingly I think you hit on a major issue regarding patriotism. I don't know how we change things regarding immigrants and a sense of pride in this country. Thank you for your thoughts.

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      Michael-Milec 3 years ago

      Bill my friend , now I'm laughing outloud too, because you made me to. It took me two days fighting this ' verisimilitude ', searching my most favorite pages where a compromise has been at least partially meaningful. ( No success ) As frustration persistently pressured upon my meninges, the only my choice to maintain health and sanity, was to state as it is, "compromise sucks"- anticipating this would be my last comment ever, ( they will throw me out ). As I was going against the prevailing current of influence compromising has embraced controlling over most of the societies affairs except one. Now it's sealed fact in my mind ' never resist that small voice telling you to act in favor of 'betterness'. . . Thanks for your time and double helping my wings...

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      Dianna Mendez 3 years ago

      America has such a high influx of immigrants and visiors, our values and beliefs are becoming vague due our compromise with them. I love your definition: True patriots love, support and defend their country while working for individual rights. It is our goal, to make life better for all.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Michael my friend, you had me laughing out loud with your last line...compromise sucks! Believe me my friend, I was a protester for years, taking to the streets and trying to scream louder than those who opposed me...and what good did it do? I want solutions...if that takes compromising with those I do not agree with, then bring it on...but those I compromise with better come to the table looking for solutions and not just their way.

      Thank you as always and blessings to you

      bill

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      Michael-Milec 3 years ago

      Hello Bill.

      A great article, you've done as usually a fantastic job. ( Nevertheless )- please my next point isn't argumentative, rather a product of long-observed process of thoughts .

      " We all are ' patriots ' - interpretation vary detrimental by compromis"-(mmilec). Reinforcing J.F. Kennedy's " let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or I'll, that we shall pay any price..." - naturally conclusion rings in my mind - " let it be known, we will not compromise"- and they murdered him.

      Let's just look over what " compromise " is producing in one country (perhaps in many parts of the world ?): looking at each other eyes , a one man to another man a"husband is wife, wife is husband", or two women, - woman to another woman a "wife is husband and a husband is wife"- teaching little children under educational provision of what? a new morality or what? - My apology, running out of words ( compromise sucks).

      Voted up, useful , interesting.

      Wishing you very nice rest of te Sunday, my friend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      PS, you said it all perfectly. I don't know about my voice; not sure if anyone out there is listening or acting on it....but it's worth a try, right?

      blessings and hugs coming your way

      bill

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      Patricia Scott 3 years ago from sunny Florida

      Amen!!! Stop playing the blame game and the finger pointing and pull together. If each one of us cared more, what a different place this would be today.

      And it really is all about us, isn't it? Washington won't fix anything. They are puppets as you so clearly point out.

      I am basically Pollyanna as you must know from my writings but I am also not blind. I know WE need to help fix what is broken in our country. What disturbs me so much is that there seems to be a sense of apathy..".throw my hands u and b**** and complain...but don't ask ME to do anything."

      We all, as a nation, need to get a clue

      Keep on, bill....your voice is loud and strong and maybe if the bells keep clanging enough folks will listen that we can begin to turn things around.

      Angels are once again on the way Love hugs and blessings to all. ps

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mary, if there is I certainly don't see him....maybe just beyond the horizon??? Hopefully. Thank you again, Mary.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Flourish, I do too. I have no faith in the system and that really bothers me....but I have faith in individuals, so there is hope for me.

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      Constantly politicians bandy about the word "bipartisan"... yet they cannot (both parties) support anything together. Compromise is certainly the name of the game. It is in their mouth but not their hearts and head.

      George Washington was a President without a party...is there something to be learned there? A true patriot interested in our country. Is there another George Washington out there?

      Voted up, useful, awesome, and interesting.

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      FlourishAnyway 3 years ago from USA

      Unfortunately, the trouble with compromise is that it is a zero sum game and as such it behooves each side to start from a more extreme position. Too many people try to shove their belief systems onto others. I hate politics with a passion anymore.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      vkwok, it is clear for sure; how could anyone not agree with it? :) Thanks buddy!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Availiasvision, right on! I believe in the Constitution as well; we can always debate interpretations of the Constitution, but the central issue is what is best for the country, and right now what is best is finding solutions both sides can live with. At this point I would be quite happy with any forward progress. Thank you for a wonderful comment.

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      Victor W. Kwok 3 years ago from Hawaii

      All this I agree with when the evidence is so very clear.

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      Jennifer Arnett 3 years ago from California

      You hit the nail on the head about our elections being all about the corporations and lobbyists. I am fearful that will never change.

      I believe the tension from the right and the left comes from each holding a different view of the Federal Government's powers and boundaries. State vs. Federal Power, Regulation vs. Anti-regulation, Social Programs vs. Individual Responsibility. We have two sides that want polar opposites. They each have their own version of America.

      I am a Patriot for the Constitution, for the separation of government powers, the freedom of speech, the freedom of religion, the right to bear arms, protection from unreasonable searches, and the right to a fair trial. Those I will fight to defend, without compromise. Those values are what makes America different from other countries. We may be at different places on the spectrum, but we are batting for the same team.

      I like your line, "We could find a way to compromise because we all want what is best for our country…not for corporations and not for lobbyists…what is best for our country as a whole."

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you DDE....that was my purpose.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Celebrate, thank you very much. I am very tired of us fighting among ourselves....let's find solutions and put aside the name calling.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Love it Judy....thanks for the return and sharing that story....I shout in glee for your friend. :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      John, your last statement should be the statement of all citizens...what is best for the country and not the power brokers. Well said my friend and thanks for sharing about your country.

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      Devika Primić 3 years ago from Dubrovnik, Croatia

      You have created an informative Voted up, interesting and useful.

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      Ken Kline 3 years ago from Chicago, Illinois

      BillyBuc,

      As a lifelong Republican, I could not agree with you more - we must not attack the various parties - it is not Democratic or Republican, it is America. Very well written - you stated it beautifully. Thank you. Voted up both useful and beautiful. Too few of us consider the word patriotic - the world is changing and we are seeing more reverence for our soldiers - long over due tributes. We are headed in the right direction - keep up the hard work and continue to guide us in the path we need to be on.

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      Judy Specht 3 years ago from California

      How does faith do that. She is the most pleasant. I agree," United" should be our goal. Bill we agree on the important things, just not on the details. Funny about shouting, after several years of trying to find my best friend from 4-9th grades I met someone who was still in contact with her. After a couple of weeks I got an email from her. It was completely in caps. My husband asked if it was hard to have someone yell at me a whole email. Extended love and grace. I was so proud of her. It was the first email she had ever written. You should have heard me shouting when I got that wonderful email. If you shout for joy with me that's O.K.-Judy

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      John Hansen 3 years ago from Queensland Australia

      Well said Bill. it is the same here in Australia, we need to get rid of the "two party" system that is a constant battle with virtually no bi-partisan decisions on any policy. There has been a slight shift in recent years with the election before last being almost a dead heat between the two parties and the Government had to be decided by wooing three Independent senators to side with one major party or the other.

      The last election was won mainly due to a totally one sided media push by Rupert Murdoch and News Ltd. Everyone was crying for a change of Government and they got it, now we are complaining about the new government. At least our senate is represented by a host of smaller parties(one run by the Richest man in Queensland and Mining Magnate Clive Palmer) and Independents, but that has it's good and bad points too. I only want what's best for my country too, and I agree with all the points you have raised.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Faith! That's the nicest thing anyone has called me in a very long time. :)

      hugs coming your way

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks for your thoughts, Judy; articulated well as always. Please notice I did not disagree with you or call you stupid. That's because I respect opinions that are not shouted at me, which seems to be the way many in our country express them. I appreciate your viewpoint.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Levertis....if I thought it would help I'd put it on a billboard in Times Square. :)

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      Faith Reaper 3 years ago from southern USA

      Well, I will tell you, I am just me ... and we are also forgetting another word ... "United"... for we are supposedly the "United" States of America. Where did the "United" go? I am actually related on my mother's side to a true patriot, Patrick Henry ..."Give me liberty or give me death!"

      Yes, I believe we are all patriots too, as I know I love my country and want only the best for it, as do you and so many others, but the bottom line is no one can agree on what the "best" for it is.

      Hugs and blessings, you patriot, you!

      Faith Reaper

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      Judy Specht 3 years ago from California

      Wish more people put their thoughts onto paper(writing). There isn't anything better for clarifying thoughts than putting thoughts into writing.

      Disagreeing and compromise are not favorite words of mine. I want solutions. Compromise requires someone be unhappy. Looking for solutions focuses on the problem and various ways to fix it. Compromise requires manipulation, and I personally am tired of being manipulated. -Judy

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      Levertis Steele 3 years ago from Southern Clime

      You responded to Genna: "I am sick and tired of this ridiculous notion that there is only one way to solve a problem and middle ground does not exist. If politicians cannot solve problems then please tell me what we need them for. We will either learn this the easy way or learn it the extremely painful way."

      Too bad you could not put this in bold, two-inch lettering before posting. Well said.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Genna, I am sick and tired of this ridiculous notion that there is only one way to solve a problem and middle ground does not exist. If politicians cannot solve problems then please tell me what we need them for. We will either learn this the easy way or learn it the extremely painful way.

      Thank you so much for stopping by and sharing your thoughts.

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      Genna East 3 years ago from Massachusetts, USA

      “Put the four of us in a room with instructions to solve one of society’s problems; the only rule of conduct is that compromise must be a part of the process; and I promise you the four of us could come to agreement.” I heartily agree.

      Labeling has become de riguer; and all of the limitations associated with this index card, convenience thinking and pigeonholing of “I’m right…you’re wrong.” So many important issues have become political footballs, and reason is lost in the yelling of the crowd. It’s ridiculous, myopic and disturbing.

      “The only true enemies I have, and that this country has, are ignorance, complacency and apathy. That leaves us, then, with only one remaining question: are you a true patriot who is willing to meet at the table of compromise so that real solutions can be found?” YES! This is the type of mindset (I’m uncomfortable with this word, but it’s the only one I could think of at the moment), we must espouse…each and every day. Excellent, Bill! Voted up and shared.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ruchira, such a simple statement and yet one that holds so much truth...we are humans first. Thank you for that.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sheila, we can only hope that that day comes. Thank you for your input.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL....Marlene, hilarious of course but there is some truth in your story as well. It is amazing that our country isn't in all-out war among ourselves. How do we ever get along on any issue? We are so different, as you pointed out. Maybe it is hopeless. :) I sure hope not. Thank you my dear friend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      You are welcome DrBill, and thank you for stopping by.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cecileportilla, it is a mystery to me what is going on. I've never seen anything like this refusal to listen to opposite points of view. My goodness, so many people just want to shout louder than the next person and what is the point?

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I don't know, Dora, but it seems to be. Hopefully that will change. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      It is the same, Eddy; we are all tied together and we need to help each other figure this all out. I just hope we do that soon.

      love always

      billy

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Joelle! I don't know what it is going to take to wake people up; we are in this together. What effects you in Ottawa affects me in Olympia; the loss of rights in one place is the loss of rights for all. We must work together.

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      Ruchira 3 years ago from United States

      I agree Bill.

      We are humans first and then the classification of which party we belong to...as long as humans take care of the basic needs of any human...I have no problem either :)

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      Bill 3 years ago

      I'm having trouble leaving responses....my apologies to all of you...once this little problem clears up I will respond to each one of you.

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      William Leverne Smith 3 years ago from Hollister, MO

      "The only true enemies I have, and that this country has, are ignorance, complacency and apathy." Thanks! Bill ;-)

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      sheilamyers 3 years ago

      Very well said. Compromise is very often the only way to solve problems. I believe there are many things which can be overcome without involving politicians if we learn to compromise at a more personal level. As you said, work at the local level. If we do that the higher levels of government may never find a need to get involved.

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      Marlene Bertrand 3 years ago from Northern California, USA

      Compromise is such a big word. We've grown into a nation with such large gaps that I wonder if there is any hope for a compromise. In my household, we rarely compromise, so I can see how a whole nation would find it difficult to compromise. The other day my husband and I were looking at color chips to decide what color to paint the house. He wanted a color on one side of the color spectrum and I wanted a color on the other side of the color spectrum. Normally, my husband gets his way because he squeaks the loudest. But as I selected colors that were closer to what he wanted, he selected colors that were closer to what I wanted. Eventually, we settled on a color that the both of us would be happy with. When I said thank you for the compromise, honey. He said, "Compromise? Those are fighting words." He was joking, of course. But the day my husband and I (who are complete opposites) can decide on a suitable paint color is the day the people of our country should be able to come together with the thought that compromising is a solution rather than one side losing to the other.

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      Cecile Portilla 3 years ago from West Orange, New Jersey

      You summed it up billybuc! Without the ability to sit at the table and compromise long lasting meaningful solutions will never be found in Washington. There is such unwillingness to even listen to the views of others. The way they behave leaves me to wonder whether holding Republican or Democratic views are based on genetics such that people affiliated with one party are biologically programmed to think in certain ways and are physiologically unable to let go.

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      Dora Isaac Weithers 3 years ago from The Caribbean

      Bill, this proposal would certainly be the answer. A patriot would think only of what's best for the country (that is, the people in the country). There would be political parties or special interest groups to distract from the common good. Why does doing the right thing appear so difficult?

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      Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales

      Even though I live in Wales/UK it matters not when reading hubs such as this one because the story is basically the same. Voted up and shared as always Billy and keep on shouting with all your followers in good voice right behind you. Enjoy your day to you and Bev and a whole load of love for you both from Wales.

      eddy.

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      kidscrafts 3 years ago from Ottawa, Canada

      Great article, Bill. I think the biggest problem in some societies is that people think "me" and "my need", etc. It's important too but as individuals, we have to think "we" for the better good of the society. If we all do our part and care, we can change the society for something better! The worse culprids now are the politicians. They seem to forget that behind them, there are people waiting for them to take their responsabilities and care about the nation.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      breakfastpop, please forgive me for making sense. LOL I won't let it happen again.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sha, I have serious doubts that voting makes any difference at all...but I do believe that writing does.....so there is hope. :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jason, thanks for your perspective from the other side of the pond. I think we could switch governments and see no difference in our countries.....we'll take your Prime Minister and you can have our President for a year....and life would continue as normal....and how sad is that?

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Larry, I always keep the faith. As long as we have a voice and are willing to use it, there is hope. Thanks my friend.

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      breakfastpop 3 years ago

      You make far too much sense, I'm afraid. There was a time (think Clinton) when both sides of the aisle could sit down and agree. This President has made that process disappear because compromise is not his thing. Up, useful and awesome!

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      Shauna L Bowling 3 years ago from Central Florida

      I've never been a political person. I hate politics and all the lies that comes with it. I'm not convinced that having a say, by way of voting, even works. I don't believe America put some of the people in office that are there now. Money talks and we peons have nothing to say about. I would love to see that change. I agree with you regarding doing away with political contributions. Perhaps then the people's voice will be heard.

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      SuffolkJason 3 years ago from Ipswich, Suffolk, England, United Kingdom

      Well said. When I started reading this, I thought it was going to be about Edward Snowden. In my opinion (speaking from the safety of the other side of the pond) he's a great patriot.

      I totally agree with thrust of this hub. While left and right argue about increasing or decreasing tax by a percent or two, professional politicians and Corporations are quietly eroding our rights and democracy. It's happening in the UK as well.

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      Larry Kitzmann 3 years ago

      Well said my friend. As you know I couldn't agree with you more if I wanted to. What really scares me is the ignorance of history demonstrated by way to many people today. Yes I hold the schools responsible for much of that ignorance. Couple that with mass media and no wonder we see more coverage of Justin Bieber than we do of what is happening around the world, from climate change to revolutions in other countries we cast a blind eye to most if not all of it. When it comes to patriots, well I'm afraid I'm really at a loss on that one. Sad but true. Keep the faith though my friend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Poolman, no doubt about it...huge hurdles ahead my friend. I hope you and I live long enough to see some progress.

      As always, thank you for your astute observations.

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      Old Poolman 3 years ago

      Bill, you pretty well summed it up with this one. Unfortunately change will never happen as long as the career politicians remain in office. It is they who invented the way things really work in Washington and they are beyond change at this point in time.

      You nailed it with your comment about ignorance and apathy on the part of the citizens of this country. That is perhaps the biggest hurdle we need to get over before we can begin taking back our once great nation.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Eric, I have fought enough battles when I was younger...now I prefer to find common ground....get past the bullshit and make things happen. Thanks buddy!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Janine, I don't think we are even close to having this kind of change, but we can dream and plant the seeds of change....and then keep raising awareness....so that's what I've done. Thank you dear friend.

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      Eric Dierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Very well handled. I am one of those mixed up folk who really moves from side to side without a thought to it. And sinse I have constant battle with myself I do not mind it with others. But there is nothing better than a good compromise. "The best agreements are where both sides feel cheated"

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      Janine Huldie 3 years ago from New York, New York

      Yup, said beautifully and perfectly. Seriously, we need so much more compromise, less name calling and no more of both the parties we have. Bill, I seriously hope that this can happen, but I know that so much has to be done before we could ever indeed get there. Thanks for the push towards it though and have a great day now!