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Why Did Hillary Clinton Lose a Won Race? (updated w/information from recent analysis)

Updated on May 2, 2017
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ME has spent most of his retirement from service to the United States studying, thinking, and writing about the country he served.


IT IS ONLY A MONTH AND A HALF SINCE CLINTON LOST TO TRUMP, but a lot has been learned about what happened. As I see it, there are four main reasons emerging.

Supporting Roles:

  • FBI Director Comey's letter to Congress reopening the Clinton email server investigation just days before the election and then reporting they found nothing a few days later. Unfortunately, the tone has been set and now it is becoming evident the FBI might not have even had probable cause to start it up again in the first place.
  • Only Donald Trump and his supporters disagree with the intelligence community's assessment that Vladimir Putin played a significant role in a year long disinformation campaign to sway the election to Trump.
  • The Democratic National Committee (DNC) lost its way. Dr. Howard Dean and built one of the most efficient and effective infrastructures in all 50 states, including very Red ones, It was responsible for President Obama's victory in 2008 against all odds. After Dean left, the DNC let this powerful organization atrophy to the point that they paid the price in 2010, 2014, and the ultimate price in 2016. Had Dean's efforts been maintained, Hillary Clinton would not have lost Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Dean didn't forget the blue-collar worked, the DNC did.

The Starring Role: Hillary Clinton

As will be expanded on below, Hillary Clinton lost her own race by not reading the tea leaves properly, not learning how to campaign, not meeting the email server scandal head-on, and finally, like the DNC, ignoring the white working class.and banking on minority and woman turn-out to carry the day.

It wasn't like the people didn't want her, she clobbered Donald Trump in the popular vote by receiving almost 3 million more votes than he did. But they don't count, the electoral college did and she didn't watch her back. I would argue that if any one of those four factors was missing, Hillary Clinton would be President today.

Former First Lady, Senator from New York, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
Former First Lady, Senator from New York, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton | Source

What Was Behind the Biggest Upset in US Political History?

NOBODY, INCLUDING YOURS TRULY, AND I MEAN NOBODY, not the pollsters and pundits (save for the LA Times/USC poll), not the Democrats, not the GOP, not the Trump camp, and probably not even Trump, given his demeanor at the end, that that this would be the outcome. Even more stupendous was the degree of Trump's win ... he mauled her. To some degree, Clinton has only herself and her campaign staff to blame

What happened? Angry white Americans is what happened. An anger so large that it blinded otherwise intelligent person to make an emotional choice regardless of Trump's proven lack of the suitability of their hero to be president. His suitability is almost zero and Clinton was right, he has exhibited the lack of temperament for the job and has bragged about not knowing what he is doing.

Missing this part of the electorate was the major reason Donald Trump whupped Hillary Clinton at the polls.

Hillary and the Clinton Campaign Were There Own Worst Enemy

WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM FBI DIRECTOR COMEY. Even so, Clinton could have one but for a series of bad decisions within her own campaign and the interference of FBI Director Comey. Here are some other factors;

  • The Drumbeat of Wikileaks Set the Tone - While there was never, ever any truly damaging information in Wikileaks, like an email from her server, the constant drumbeat of their release had a cumulative negative influence. One Clinton could do nothing about. They ultimately worked as Julian Assage intended, he got his revenge.
  • Not Watching Her Back - She should never have lost Wisconsin, and, most likely, Michigan, both solid blue states. She felt they were safe and spent very little of her huge war chest on them. She didn't learn from her defeats to Bernie Sanders.
  • She Ignored the Rural Areas - She should have not lost Pennsylvania either. Again like with Bernie, she focused on minorities and women in Philadelphia and surrounding areas to the excluding of the rest of the State.. Why go into solid red areas? To peel off some votes, mainly women. If she could have peeled off just 160 in each of the counties, she would have won. Clinton certainly should have gone into at least Biden's home county.
  • She was Too Defensive (though she had every right to be) - Even though it goes against the political instinct of ANY politician, Clinton should have come out with, at the get-go, the message she finally settled on regarding her email server. She didn't and it only got worse from there.
  • FBI Director Comey Did Hurt Her - Whether intentional or not, the note he sent to Congress 11 days before the election about Clinton's server was, if not criminal in itself, beyond stupid and irresponsible. y and without good reason released the not about the Anthony Weiner emails to Congress, 11 days before the election, there was an immediate narrowing of the polls. Clinton never recovered from that loss.
  • The Blacks Did Not Turn Out for Her - Honestly, I don't know what else she could have done to get them enthusiastic; maybe have President and Michele Obama;start sooner. Their message could not have been more elegant and persuasive. But it wasn't enough and Clinton didn't even come close to Obama's numbers. Blacks will rue their lack of enthusiasm. After Trump and the far-Right Supreme Court is done with them ... maybe next time ... assuming they can vote at all.
  • The Latinos Did Not Turn Out For Her - This in spite of a huge outreach effort by the Hispanic leaders, it was like she didn't talk to them at all and they don't care what Trump and the Supreme Court are going to do to them. Trump did better with Latinos than Romney did in 2012.
  • She Focused on the Young People Too Late - Clinton, near the end of her campaign, began focusing on young people, but to no avail. She did much worse with this demographic than Obama did in 2008.
  • "Deplorables", While Right, was Wrong - I think Clinton's statement about "deplorables" even though surveys back her up, went a long way toward solidifying the anti-Clinton Vote
  • Racism, and to Some Extent Sexism Played a Role - Although it is political incorrect (from the Right's perspective) to say, the sad fact is, for 75% of America's history, if you start from 1700, America has been an extremely racist/sexist nation. It wasn't until 1964 did the legal vestiges, nationally, disappear and since the 1980s, they have been creeping back again; in many Western and Southern States, there has been constant push back. The Clinton team didn't understand this and, consequently, didn't prepare for it.
  • The Hillary Clinton Factor - Clinton, from a campaign for President view, was often her own worse enemy; and she knew it; she joked about it sometime. But, she didn't or couldn't change her approach to the public and the media.
  • Finally, The Faux Clinton Foundation Scandal - Politics as usual was turned into an image killing tsunami against HRC. The optics, in my opinion, were handled very badly. But again, Hillary and her people were too close to the issue to see what the problem really was and didn't correct for it. with something that was all smoke-and-mirrors on Trump's part and never had any meat to it. If the supposed "pay-to-play" was significant and should send her to jail, then find room for almost every politician from city, state, and federal governments. The kind of thing Trump supporters found so horrible is a way of life in politics AND business.

Donald Trump and His Supporters Were Not the Problem

IT WAS HOW SHE PERCEIVED AND REACTED TO THEIR BEHAVIOR AND THREAT, that was. Before going further, please know that I write the following as a strong supporter of Hillary Clinton, I always have been and always will be. That said she needs to look to herself and her team to find the real reason she let the election slip through her fingers. While Comey had his part as did her troubles with her email server and the Clinton Foundation and Wikileaks, it was how she did, didn't, or couldn't respond to them that cost her the election.

There is no question that Trump and his followers knew no moral or ethical boundary or, for that matter, any feeling of guilt in their historic use of lies, hyperbole, distortions, misrepresentation, and an almost total aversion to anything truthful in their assault on Hilary Clinton. Its was probably more effective in getting his followers to go out and vote than changing anybody's mind. He played to every fear the white working class has about race, income, and a changing world; that was his job.

Clinton's ad campaign, in normal times, would have been extremely effective by using Trump's own vile words against him; she needed no original content of her own for the negative part of her campaign. The problem she fell victim to by not noticing, was Nobody Cared!!! Nobody cared about about policy or the lack there of; Trump could have been Hitler, and nobody would have cared (he has most of Hitler's traits, btw.)

The white working class had bought into 8 horrible years of a professionally produced, Joseph Goebbels-style propaganda effort by the GOP and Trump. And they were angry ... in spite of all the evidence to the contrary; they simply didn't give a damn what the truth was, and loudly repeated the lies. And Clinton didn't notice.

Or if she (meaning her and her team) did notice, they made bad choices on how to respond. They responded with the Truth ,,, Trumps own words. But they thought they were dealing with rational people; they weren't. Instead they were dealing with very emotional people who felt left out and wanted to make somebody pay for their bad feeling. She forgot that emotional people, logic (her forte) means nothing. She should have designed her campaign address that emotion. But she didn't and hear we are, on the precipice of having Caesar fiddling while America burns; unless Trump can change his spots..

Hillary Clinton's Concession Speech

The Forgotten

ALL CLINTON HAD TO DO WAS WIN TWO VERY BLUE STATES, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. The problem is, of course, she didn't (even though she might approach beating Trump by 2 million popular votes, it doesn't matter). In my opinion, as well as most others now pontificating on this, she forgot that there more than women and minorities living in the big cities and there was many more other people living in the suburbs and rural areas. She did this with Bernie Sanders which is why he did so well; she didn't learn her lesson, obviously.

It wasn't her platform. Between the policy parts of her speeches and her website there was plenty of detailed policy to find; all you had to do was listen and look. Her campaign was, however, devoid of ideas on how to translate in such a way to catch the attention of the white working class; it needed to be translated in a way they could remember.

Both she and Bernie had many wonderful ideas on how to fight income inequality (probably the greatest thing on these voters minds), racism, terrorism, foreign affairs and the like. They did, very good ones in fact. The difference between the two is that Bernie knew how to talk to the people at the center of Trump's base (but not his extremists hangers-on). Hillary, on the other hand, obviously did not. Bernie used hard hitting emotional, yet not hateful, one-liners that could be understood while Hillary stuck to trying to explain complex policy that went above many people's heads.

Hillary Clinton is a policy wonk which is her greatest strength AND her greatest weakness. She knew the details of issues inside and out but unfortunately that knowledge does not translate into simple one-liners and sound bites that people can understand; that is impossible to do with complex topics unless you are a very accomplished speaker. Further, it is clear, most Americans do not want details, it bores them1. They do like Trumps type of histrionics however. Regardless of what he said, they bought into it hook, line, and sinker. Unfortunately for Hillary Clinton, she is one of the worst campaigners in American politics. She didn't have to be that way; she isn't that way one-on-one, I am told. But she and her staff did not know how to do what Bernie did. They failed, even to my accepting eyes, to get the words right, they couldn't even get the cadence of her speech right.

Trump, on the other hand, had no platform at all and few non-general ideas other than what came to mind the moment he opened his mouth, but nobody cared. They wanted to hear his insulting, inflammatory rhetoric that spoke directly to their fears about race (Black Lives Matter), terrorism (Islamophobia), the perceived lack of jobs (hasn't been true for awhile). The males ignored his misogyny because, down deep, many American males (and some females I have found) think women have over stepped their bounds; that has been our history. This is not said, except by Trump, but it is felt; I see and hear it all around me in my own part of rural Florida. Trump's talk about sexually abusing women simply didn't shock much of the nation as the Hillary Camp thought it would. Those women who were going to vote for her still did and those who weren't going to thought it was all lies and overblown.

Knowing she had a weakness with these mostly rural, hard working white people why didn't she dive deep into their territory? Why did she ignore Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania's interior? Granted, she might not have won even one of those precincts, but she might not have lost so badly in the them. Donald Trump understood this and capitalized on it ... BIG TIME, even though his tactics were despicable.

Her "basket of deplorables" actually does exist, sadly, in America; and in large numbers. Instead of ignoring them, as she did, why didn't she try to embrace the few that might be able to be reached; her campaign had lots of money to spend; they just needed a new approach. It would only have taken a few in each precinct. Instead, she focused on the women, blacks, and Latinos where polling was shown early enough to do something about it that they weren't going to come out in Obama-size numbers. Even though Bernie Sanders did his level best to get the young people to come out and vote for her, a surrogate wasn't enough; she should have personally started much sooner in the campaign. Using President and Michele Obama was brilliant, but too little too late to get the momentum going among blacks even though they made block-buster performances.

She has proven herself a very adaptable women, but one thing that needed improving the most was her speaking style. Her emphasis were in the wrong place and, as I said before, her cadence was distracting. For example, at the end of the campaign she was tying hard to get people out to vote. She raised her voice and tone as she went leading up to a crescendo. But then at the peak, instead of finishing off forcefully, she dropped her voice, lowered the pitch, and finished with three weak words "on November 8th". Granted, she did increase the pitch and volume, but not to the level where she started.

What is done is done, unfortunately, but it does seem a direction which the leadership of the Democratic seems to be drifting. If they are going to want to win elections, up and down ballot, then they are going to do their own "postmortem" to determine what went wrong.

1 Only 10% of American actually "likes" that kind of stuff, and she is one of them while Trump is not. Another, 30% MIGHT want to listen to the detail; Trump isn't one of these either. That leaves at least 60% of the American population who either doesn't care, because it bores them, or are not wired to understand the details (like I am not wired to play the piano ... or flute apparently).

January 2017 Polling Suggests Why Clinton Lost a Won Race

The "Forgotten" are starting to explain why they either voted for Trump (white working class) or didn't vote at all (minorities). PACs that support Democratic candidates began conducting polls and focus groups to see what when wrong. The results, of course, aren't that surprising to those outside the Clinton camp.

The research looked at two groups of voters who voted for President Obama in 2012. One was Obama-Trump voters and the other were Obama voters who simply didn't vote (drop-off voters). They surveyed voters nationally as well as in Michigan and Wisconsin, two very Blue states that wen Red. Here is what they found:

  • Bottom line - An overwhelming number of Obama-Trump voters felt the Democrats, as represented by Clinton, favored the wealthy in their economic policy. They did not feel that way about Donald Trump, specifically.
  • The Clinton message, even with the help of President Obama, did not resonate with Obama voters who did not vote in 2016; even though this group was very anti-Trump
  • Many of the Obama-Trump voters feel they are economically losing ground and are skeptical of Democratic solutions to their problems.

Some of the findings are:

  • 81 percent of Obama-Trump voters said their incomes are falling behind the cost of living or is merely keeping pace with the cost of living.
  • 30 percent of Obama-Trump voters votes were anti-Clinton votes. This group would have been susceptible to propaganda from Vladimir Putin and FBI Director Comey late announcement that the Clinton was reopened.
  • 42 percent of Obama-Trump voters said congressional Democrats' economic policy favors the wealthy while only 21 percent said the same about Trump. 40 percent said the same of congressional Republicans.
  • A total of 77% Obama-Trump voters said Trump’s policies will favor some mix of all other classes (middle class, poor, all equally), while a total of 58 percent said that about congressional Democrats
  • 92% of drop-off voters said they are worse off or the same economically
  • While Democrats have a perceived "Wall Street Problem" with the public, the fact is polls show Democrats favor far more in the way of Wall Street accountability and oversight than Republicans do.
  • The polling also shows that, among the Obama-Trump voters, large percentages of the more cautious supporters of Trump are concerned that he will go through with deep cuts to social programs and the repeal of Obamacare.

The above suggests several things to me when viewed in the contest of Sen Sanders surprising showing and upset victories in the states which Trump took away from the Democrats. If ????? had conducted this poll after Hillary Clinton won the Democratic nomination to determine why Sanders did so well, it is my believe they would have come up with the same results. Either they didn't or they did and the Clinton campaign blew off the results. And because they were unaware of the feelings of those Obama-Trump cohort or the Drop-offs, they didn't change their approach to conducting the general election.

Following from that major failure, she set herself up for what was to come next. With everything we know, Clinton should have had an easy victory. Instead her and the DNC screw-ups it made it a very tight race in states where it should not have been. That, therefore, set the stage for Comey's decision to make public a couple of weeks before the election that he was reopening the Clinton investigation1 and for the Putin disinformation campaign to have a real impact on the outcome by setting the very negative tone about Clinton.

1 Immediately after Comey's announcement, I saw a distinct move away from Clinton in critical states.

© 2016 My Esoteric


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    • Shyron E Shenko profile image

      Shyron E Shenko 8 months ago from Texas

      Esoteric, Hillary lost because of the republicans who have campaigned against her before she ever went into politics, and no body ever believed the truth, most people believed what they wanted to be the truth.

      Blessings my friend

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      My Esoteric 8 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      I can make the math work by dropping Carter. I voted for Ford. Can you spell brain fart?

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      Hillaryfan 8 months ago

      My Esoteric said: "BTW, for me it was Nixon (twice; yes, I am an old fart), Ford, Carter, Reagan (twice; I regret the second time), Bush I, Clinton (twice), Gore, Kerry, Obama (twice), and HRC."

      How were you able to vote for Ford and Carter while voting for Reagan twice? The math just doesn't add up there. Would you care to explain?

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      My Esoteric 10 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Thank you Florish. Problem is 25% of Americans are still blind to his Yuge failings. I suspect most of those blue-collar Ds who got him into office are having buyers remorse.

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      FlourishAnyway 10 months ago from USA

      Shortly before the election, my parents traveled through rural Virginia and saw so many Trump signs that they expressed dismay and hoped aloud that it wasn't a bad omen. Your analysis was a pretty spot on. They seemed to think they had some states in the bag and thus no ads until decisions had been made. We're sure paying for all the short-sightedness now. People wanted change and now we've got it. OMG.

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      Catherine Mostly 14 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      There's still lots of space left for those kinds of responses; and more comments draw people to this hub. Plus, diversity makes things not quite so boring, ha!

      It really has been quite a kick in the gut to watch our country thrown into chaos like this knowing why/how it happened: because we really didn't think so many people were this misinformed, uniformed and subject to targeted, hot-point manipulation.

      You know you're not alone in this frustration; and it ain't over 'til the fat lady sings. If things get flipped (tampering is still unlikely, I keep reading); and Hillary ends up President - I really think she should hire a 'non-perfect' fat lady to belt out the Star Spangled Banner at her big party, just to irritate Trump and his somehow WAY more angrier than us supporters. :)

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      two people i saw on the news got busted for voting twice. trump was telling people to do it at his rallies.

      what they were actually doing was purging dem voters off the rolls by claiming THEY voted twice.

      these trump zombies who actually did it gave perfect excuse and cover for them to purge. "see? people are voting twice."

      thats not the only balloney they wisconsin, trump was given 1,600 fraudulent votes.

      they knew to target swing states, and its a nice operation. trump and his operatives, run by kobach, who ill bet will be rewarded with a cabinet job. and koch bros, who have a massive operation of their own. how else you think a teabagger like walker gets to run a liberal state?

      then of course, wikileaks who just happened to target only the sweet! and russia, whom the intel ops dnc hired traced the hacks back to the kremlin and the fsb.

      there are plenty more dirty tricks, like telling people to stay home, sending out false addresses for voting stations, etc.

      at the federal level, its redistricting. more people vote for dems, but repubs get the office. its all tied up neat in a bow.

      then, they have the internet stooges paid to spread disinfo....lies-r-us.

      and the ones who make fun of even mentioning this. because, you know, they know it ALL.

      thank you for letting me use your space, me. i promise this is the last.

      now back to regular programming: hillary/killary the crook, trump the glorious, and sanders the big white hope

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      10 hrs ago. "want to know if the election was hacked? look at the ballots"--j alex halderman. read it. he suggests clinton campaign do just that. now i know people who make fun of others for kicks on a website are more intelligent than a computer expert at a top ten university, but still.

      if they are so sure there is nothing going on, they wont mind people looking.

      after all, we know it would have been rigged had trump lost.

      halderman says they must act quickly, though. and personally, i think they wont. seems to be over for hillary.

      but dang sure not for me. and plenty others. you all go on with this charade of governing. its a theft of america, and i wont be a part.

      lucky you all can keep your take.

      anyone under 60 is royally screwed.

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      its official: hackers breach election systems in illinois and arizona. wesley bruner, evan perez,cnn

      came from overseas.....fbi investigating. that is, if you trust the fbi.

      hillarys lead in popular vote now over 2 million. "unprecedented"

      #audit the vote

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      well, with the tongue lashing they took for being too mean to poor little donald....maybe they will be angry enough to really look into it.

      however, with trump allied to a guy who allegedly poisons his opponents and allegedly has journo's killed....and his mob ties (obviously doesnt mind the methods), i can believe the fear might outweigh the anger.

      terror is a great silencer.

      which is why i worry about a few out here.

      the only ones who could even dare expose it would have to be as powerful as those they expose.

      watch the omarosa short video...very odd, but also bone-chilling if you believe it.

      this is no longer america-land.

      ....or, really, should i say, we white people have entered the america-land of the murdered and the enslaved.

      no one is safe

      (sounds dramatic, i know. i live by gut feeling. ironically, just like trump)

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      Catherine Mostly 14 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      I've read about those things being connected, too - always just took them with a grain of salt. Plus, Trump really did seem to be WAY too odd of a ball. Something never felt right about him - not even before he won the Republican Nominee part.

      Would it be wrong of me to say that I HOPE this particular conspiracy theory is true? LoL! How wierd is that? Crossing your fingers and hoping for a major conspiracy theory to be revealed. OMG! We can dream!! :)

      Doesn't really look like any news media is picking up on it, much.

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      "outagamie, wisconsin has found that more people voted for trump than showed up to vote at all"--palmer report

      in all the states where hillary was predicted to win, and lost...everywhere it was a shock: you can bet it was hacked. at least i think so. and yeah, it wont do any good anyway. i realize this.

      of course, im a tin foil hatter, so i believe this was a long range plan, going back to snowden betraying the usa. i remember reading something about him. this guy was questioning his credibility...asking how a low-level employee like him is suddenly promoted and making 200k. booze allen hamilton is a subsidiary of the carlyle group.

      and such coincidence that he runs to russia with his knowlege of our system, and the dnc is hacked? course, it is probably easy for anyone with enough knowlege or skill to hack anything. but then the question is why.

      saw a conferance on c-span years ago: cyberwar is next phase of warfare.

      but anyway, it will all come out long after trump has been sworn in. and as with anything, qui bono? i mean big power, qui bono. and also, who will care?

      so far, i see putin amping up his murderous attacks in allepo, and netanyahu ramping up his complete take over of palestine with facts on the ground.

      thumbs up from the american people.

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      My Esoteric 14 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      I looked up the Bonifaz findings ... interesting. I have degrees in both computer science and statistics, so their theory that something may be wrong is worth looking into.

      Probably not enough to change the outcome, but, given the sophistication of Russian hacking, it is disturbing nevertheless.

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      "john bonifaz and j alex halderman, university of michigan center for computer security and society, believe they've found persuasive evidence that results in wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania may have been manipulated or hacked."

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      i really suggest you read the rolling stone article written by greg palast. just google cross check, greg palast.

      all these swing states, where people were so shocked by the outcome..all those states had the voter rolls purged.

      this big surprise is not due to actual votes, but the removal of actual votes.

      guess who was in charge of it? kansas know the one who encourages the wall and muslim registry.

      i know people always say conspiracy theory...but do you really think all the pollsters got it wrong....all of them??

      just please read the article...and remember trump voters voting twice and trump telling them to.

      its not a conspiracy, its a plan--warren ballentine

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      Hamza Badr Aoui 14 months ago

      I was also wondering the same why she lost the winning race.


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      Lisa Parker 14 months ago from India

      I was also wondering the same why she lost the winning race.

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      maybe a different way to say it: black men being killed by police and women imprisoned for miscarriage is not as important as white men losing jobs.....

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      yes, i read that 4 million votes in california dont count at all because they have no electoral rep.

      and i dont think hillary ran the wrong campaign at all.

      sorry, but there are plenty of disenfranchised people other than working clsss whites and christians.

      and i am really so sick of having to bow to them all the time.

      yes, i get that these past eight years was anethema to them.

      but they showed zero class in handling it.

      and now, we are back to worrying about christian whites.

      fine. but obama was helping all of us, whether you acknowlege it or not. and clinton was going to do the same, too. whether you acknowlege it or not.

      and now the rest of us will be subject to being ignored, again, as the republicans, sanders and tim ryan argue about who can best help the angry white male.

      progress is like climbing up a hill full of slippery slime.

      now we slide back

      back to illegal abortion and curtailed voting rights for anyone not voting r.

      the fact that immigrants and people of color are deathly afraid should really tell you something, but it wont.

      anger wins over fear. every time.

      should i get my knee pads now? no, not for a lewinski, to bow on one knee when il duce walks by.

      and listen, even tv's are watching us now. he'll be able to see if you bow when he comes on to make a pronouncement.

      omg, too disrespectful and mean? at least i didnt say hes a terrorist not born here, and call his wife a baboon.

      heil! for the foreseeable future. IMO

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      Godrej United 14 months ago from Bangalore

      it is unfortunate...

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      John Welford 14 months ago from UK

      Might it have something to do with the arcane system that decides a US Presidential election? The idea is to elect a President for the whole nation, but it turns out that votes in some states (the "swing" ones) are worth vastly more than those in "safe" states such as California.

      These elections should be decided on the overall popular vote across the whole country - if that had been the case, Hillary Clinton would have won, and the United States would now be looking forward to being led by someone whom more people voted for than against.

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      Catherine Mostly 14 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      I would agree that most of the things you have listed were indeed factors. But, things started decades before now...

      For 8 yrs, Republicans have made it clear that they do not respect the votes of the people; and have been trying to convince everyone that gov is bad bcuz of us EVIL liberals, leftists & elitists (your NORMAL American neighbors) - WHILE portraying themselves as ‘the abused’. They refused to work across partisan divides to work out budgets, immigration laws, jobs programs, climate change, tax reform, energy, etc - AND had a majority, yet Obamacare exists.

      As citizens became angrier with a stalled country, GOP continued to blame Obama & those of us who voted for him. Since they haven’t changed in decades & simply CAN’T win an election based on anything but fear – Tada, Trump!

      Nasty women were calling Trump racist & misogynistic BEFORE the election for divisive-hype reasons. Trump needs to say & do something ELSE to unite us beyond using the SAME lame, hateful rhetoric that somehow got him there.

      Beyond that, most men are misogynistic toward Hillary and have been for decades. Most women (except white Christian ones) were able to separate her from Bill’s scandals; and could see that the ones she DID participate in weren’t NEARLY as incriminating as any other male politician before her.

      Hillary worked in a male-dominated culture WHILE 'being a lady' – and failed miserably against Trump, a good ‘ol locker room pal with a hot-head, fear-mongering, cocaine-mentality and practically NO experience in politics. Plus, he obviously knows how to use his big businesses to both rip people off & evade taxes.

      Misogyny is also why many Bernie voters rejected Hillary. Its not just GOP men. This is the part that really sickens us women. We expect this attitude from the disoriented right-wing.

      And, let's not forget the affect of fake news: Fake-news writer: I think Donald Trump is in the White House bcuz of me. Confesses to creating that 'paid protestor' fake news & MORE:

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      My Esoteric 14 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      I have read the Federalist Papers, which is more or less the history behind why there is an electoral college in the first place; it was an attempt to prevent exactly this from occurring. It shouldn't have but HRC simply ran the wrong campaign and lost a won race. In any case, consider this:

      - The major flaw in ANY system you choose is it disenfranchises a lot of voters and will always lead to a few battleground states.

      - If it is a popular vote basis, as many want, then you won't have battleground states, you will have battleground metropolitan areas; LA, Chicago, NYC, etc virtually all D strongholds. Left out entirely are virtually every rural area in the U.S. In other words, you almost guarantee a Democrat for President. It is not that that is a bad thing given what the GOP is today, but absolutely what the founders had in mind.

      - Another possibility is vote by Congressional district like in Maine and Nebraska. But that is just as bad because you will elect a far-Right Republican every time since rural Congressional districts far outnumber those in the city. So long as gerrymandering is alive and well, this dynamic won't change either.

      Originally the House would be the only one elected by the populous. The Senate by appointment by State legislatures and the President by electoral college, some of who were voted for in some States or appointed by the legislatures in other States. Now the electors are chosen by each State's voters. Much time and debate during the Constitutional Convention was spent devising this system.

      Sorry about the long-winded story, but it helps keep it fresh in my mind.

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      well, im sorry. hillary clinton is coming up on 2 million more votes than far as im concerned, she won.

      but we have a silly system. so be it. just remember, if electorates vote hillary in, that is also part of that antiquated system.

      and trump was going to contest the election if hillary won. lets get off that high horse, shall we?

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      My Esoteric 14 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      You might not "walk" the far-Right, and now I will add the far-Left (they look the same to people in the middle) line; both are extremists and that is how you write, which is my only insight into how you think. It is possible you write different from what you think, but I have to take you at your word.

      You can certainly "despise" HRC, clearly you have that right whether based on reality or not. There is Much factual evidence that Trump is despicable' (and no, I don't insist you feel the same about him); but I seriously doubt you can present similar factual evidence against HRC to warrant that view/ You may have an instinctual dislike of her; which everyone does from time to time; but there are no substantial facts you can point to to support your view.

      But to say "but for being personally and undeniably responsible for the hatred & disgust all the Trump voters have for her" is simply untrue. And, if I am to take you at your word, you actually believe what you wrote which is not words of a Moderate.

      BTW, for me it was Nixon (twice; yes, I am an old fart), Ford, Carter, Reagan (twice; I regret the second time), Bush I, Clinton (twice), Gore, Kerry, Obama (twice), and HRC.

      Happy T-day to you and your family as well.

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      Paula 14 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Eso....All due respect, it is not for you to take it upon yourself to "label" me. My voting record is my statement as an Independent. Reagan, Bush Senior, Clinton (Twice) George W. (Twice) and Barack (Twice)....It should be clear, even to you, that I do not walk a "Far Right line".....never have, never will be ALL of one party or the other. IMHO, this is the practice of narrow-minded, PARTY-devoted fanatics who remain steadfast, unmoving, blind, deaf and dumb, despite the clearly obvious. This equals "ignorance," wouldn't you say? I am not ignorant, Thank you.

      Looks to me & should look to anyone interested that I certainly have a great formula for voting for ultimate winners of the Presidency.....

      I'm sure you realize that this fact about me, speaks for my Independent status~~and not my particular verbiage that may have displeased you. I can't help what rubs someone the wrong way.

      Excuse me, but how do you find it acceptable that you insist I refer to Trump as hateful & disgusting? I've already admitted to not being fond of him. What he was to me and quite obviously to MILLIONS was our only other option to keep your girl out of office.

      We used him and took a chance on change. Let's all wait to see if in fact, all of you in opposition get the opportunity to rub our noses in the pile of $##t. When & if that time comes, I will be as honest, open and up-front as I am at all times. No whining, no pouting, no protesting. I'm not only a proud, self-assured, independent American, I'm a BIG girl with an excellent head on her broad shoulders who can handle defeat without losing my mind.

      I'm sorry I cannot love your girl. It's merely politics. I see no reason to attack supporters of the opposition when I can use all that energy to despise the candidate I feel is pure poison in the flesh.

      Once again I thank you for taking the time to interact with me. I hope you understand I simply will not stand silently by while anyone assumes to know me, my methods, my reasoning and my decisions. This is my business and my call.....only "your own" belong to you and only you know why.

      If you noted, I have not resorted to the bully route of referring to you as a Lefty, Left wing Loon (that's a popular one ) and the simple reason for that Esoteric, is that I don't know you well. I have no right to assume that because you love Hillary, that means you walk the fine Left lane at all times. It follows Sir, you may not make such opposite claims about me, simply because I despise the woman.

      Wishing a peaceful Thanksgiving Day to you and yours.

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      My Esoteric 14 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      LoveMyChris, I can't agree with your voter suppression argument. The only State that may have affected, even though the voter laws were reinstated at the end, is North Carolina.

      The unfortunate fact is that HRC and team didn't do the proper homework. If they had, they would have put people on the ground all over the battleground states, to make person-to-person contact with voters in the cities AND the rural areas. Had they done that, they might of gotten the sense that Trump was winning traditionally D voters over. But, she didn't so they went on flying blind and banked on HUGE minority turn-out, which didn't happen; not because of any suppression, but through lack of caring.

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      My Esoteric 14 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      fpherj48 - What does "one of those people" mean to you? To me, it means that "of the group of people who have a common characteristic, you are one of them". Simple as that. You are, however, and based solely on your comments, definitely NOT an Independent. Every word you write toes the far-Right line, whether you think so or not.

      An Independent is someone who does not profess such things as "but for being personally and undeniably responsible for the hatred & disgust all the Trump voters have for her" when it is provably not true and simply shows extreme bias in one direction. You could say "Trump is a disgusting, hateful person" and then write a hub, as I have done, full of different kinds of examples to back up that statement. On your side, you only have a very bad decision by HRC to have a personal email server, a la George W. Bush. The 17 or 19 GOP investigations cleared HRC of Benghazi. She never said the things a couple of the families of the dead claim she did, as reported by other families that were there.

      The Clinton Foundation interface with the State Dept happens at ALL levels of gov't from city council up to every Congressman and Department head alive ... including in my own Defense Department; it is a political fact of life. (A scandal would be if HRC personally or financially benefited from those interfaces and not even the far Right has suggested she has.)

      I do thank you, however, for your thanks and the vast service of your family and relatives. That was very kind.

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      Larry Rankin 14 months ago from Oklahoma

      Interesting analysis.

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      "blame trumps victory on college educated whites, not the working class", eric sasson

      that would suggest to me racism. sexism, too. *hi catherine!*

      and look at sanders....everything hes talking about: how hard it is to get by, has been going on forever in the black community....and single moms, i might add.

      look at his audiences....predominantly white.

      he and trump are two sides of the same coin, as is tim ryan, going for pelosis job. they represent white male rage....and, as ive said many times mad?

      get in line!

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      plz read:

      A Dark View From Flyover Country, Sarah Kendzior

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      a lot of the vote was suppressed, due to republicans, whose supreme court gutted the voting rights act. and republican states made sure of that.

      her foundation gets an a+ rating, while trumps has been ordered to stop taking money.

      where was media in this election? billy bush was the only sour spot for trump, even though he had a trial coming up for fraud! and the media seemed to agree that sexual degradation is just fine. "locker room talk". and women agreed with it, too! even so far as to have t shirts made that said trump can grab my p*ssy!

      the viciousness of trumps rallies and NOW these people care about riots? get out of here...your guy relishes violence.

      the planet will suffer, immigrants, black people, muslims and women will suffer, but hey: e-mails.

      and in my opinion, anyone who votes for someone who thinks women need to be punished for abortion is no independent. that is straight-up far right.

      you all can stop pretending you dont know how donald will do his job. hes told you millions of times.

      and you want it. god help us all.

      by the way, 1.6 million more of us dont.


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      Paula 14 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Esoteric....And I see you are "one of those people" who uses such terminology as "one of those people," when attempting to be dismissive of someone else's opinion. Yes, I am a person, An American, voter (Independent) and within my rights, as you are, to state my opinions, without insult or attempts at diminishing my freedom of expression.

      Per your biography, I see you are former military. Thank you for your service, which as I believe has been so integral in protecting our rights & freedoms..... as my Dad (WWII) my late husband (Viet Nam) and my son, USMC~(Operation Iraqi Freedom) as well as numerous friends and other family members, have also served. My respect, gratitude & admiration for this segment of our fellow-Americans is eternal.

      So frankly, your snide, snarky response is disillusionment in stark contrast of your history and causes me only to be disappointed.

      I use no "Trump-style" anything....ever. I am not a fan of the man, in the least. This merely tells me you know absolutely nothing about me, least of all, that my excellent brain is always engaged. It's unfortunate a grown, seemingly intelligent man feels the need to refer to my statements as "ridiculous," in yet another immature attempt to insult & belittle my opinions. I will not reply in kind.

      You have earned the right, Sir to be as nasty, disrespectful and dismissive as pleases you.

      Just know that this changes nothing in terms of the fact that I am 100% certain, we Americans dodged a lethal bullet in this election. Period.

      How Mr. Donald Trump will handle this job, I have no way of knowing at this point and neither do you.

      Exchange with you has been an enlightening experience. You stay warm, safe and happy in Florida Sir.

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      Aimen Shah 14 months ago

      Because Trump is a cheater

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      My Esoteric 14 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      HS - I have had similar experience with people who can't engage their brains in a rational way (my family, except my wife)

      fpherj48 - You must be one of those people HS just described; not with this world. You said "not only for the huge wuppin she took". This, of course, is Trump-style hyperbole. In fact, Trump won by just two states, PA and WI. He won those (and possibly MI) for EXACTLY the reasons I gave. That is his technical win. Clinton is still the choice of 1.3 million voters, so far,

      Since you started out with a ridiculous statement, there is no point in finishing your diatribe.

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      Paula 14 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Good Evening Esoteric....I agree with you 100%. Hillary has no one but herself and her campaign staff to blame......not only for the huge wuppin she took, but for being personally and undeniably responsible for the hatred & disgust all the Trump voters have for her.

      She is responsible for the fierce insistence & efforts to keep the woman OUT of the White House. It wasn't easy, but we did it, Thank all the stars, the sun and moon in the Sky!! And thanks to her exposed dirtiness.

      As well-informed, fully-researched and sufficiently experienced as I am and have been for many years, no one.....NO ONE will ever be able to convince me that Hillary Rodham Clinton is not her own worst enemy.

      I began keeping a very close eye on this slippery little she-devil while she was yet First Lady to her philandering, lying, impeached hubby. She surely had me sit up and take notice when she gave birth to the concept of "The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy..." of her fantasies, dreams and delusions. Sad though~only her loyal libs bought that insane nonsense, hook, line and sinker. So much so, to this day, through all of her scandals, lies, games & greed, they hold tight to the ludicrous idea there's a Right Wing Conspiracy.

      It was great for me when she was right here in New York State where I could watch her, hear her and keep abreast up close and personal & through my many political connections,,,as to what this woman is truly ALL about.

      To those who are thoroughly convinced that Hillary (and loverboy Bill) are egregiously corrupt, PHONIES/FRAUDS (one face to the public...another on the inside shadows) liars to the degree that telling the truth never even occurs to them, thieves, manipulators, traitors and just plain old nasty, evil people....? As much as you are absolutely correct and justified in your bad as it boldly appears to haven't even a clue or a brush of the surface to how much worse it actually is.

      There are several books out that spell out the unadulterated truths about Hillary & Bill and their crooked by a former secret service agent, one by Dick Morris....and several others.

      There will be more to come. Most importantly, there will be both a book and 3-hour documentary available to the public, just after the first of the New Year. You cannot even begin to imagine or guess what will be proven about the entire life of Crime, with accompanying proof positive.... lived unapologetically and even "smugly," by the Bonnie & Clyde of Washington DC.

      Rest up and wait for it.

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      Howard Schneider 14 months ago from Parsippany, New Jersey

      I totally agree with your points. It was all crystallized to me when I went out to dinner with 3 of my closest friends this past Thursday evening. None are overly political but they have been generally sensible and interested in voting correctly. All 3 told me they voted for Trump and it was because they wanted change. I asked incredulously, what change has he called for? They said they did not know but he would shake things up. I couldn't believe it. Hillary should have done much better but President Obama caught her off guard in 2008 and Trump did this election. Hopefully America withstands this also and common sense returns to our country.