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Why Russia and China Really Oppose UN Action In Syria

Updated on August 10, 2012

Looking to the future....

More is at stake for Russia and China than just the regime in Syria.
More is at stake for Russia and China than just the regime in Syria. | Source

What if they are next?


This need not be a very long dissertation.

Russia and China are blocking any Security Council actions in the United Nations to intervene in the struggles between the current Syrian dictatorship and the Syrian freedom fighters. They are doing so for their own internal concerns largely unrelated to Syria.

If, as has been proposed in the Security Council, United Nations member states could have intervened to avert or take sides in what has now become a civil war in Syria, such actions could also be taken in the future in similar circumstances inside Russia and China.

Such a precedent has already been set by the actions of the Security Council in the mid-20th Century when North Korea (a Soviet Russia and Communist China puppet state) invaded South Korea.

There were two key differences at that earlier time: The Soviets had abandoned their seat on the Security Council in protest of Nationalist China being seated there, following the Communist Chinese conquest of mainland China, and the Chinese communists had not yet been admitted to the United Nations.

Today Russia and China both know that revolutions can overturn established governments. They dabbled seriously with just such tactics of their own during the Cold War years, and they themselves came to power as the result of violent revolutions. They are not about to support actions which encourage today's national struggles for democratic reform, because someday...inevitably... there will be renewed struggles for such reforms in Russia and China.

Dictators may huddle together as Hitler, Mussolini, and Tojo did, but they are only concerned about two things: keeping the power they already have, and getting more.

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© 2012 Demas W. Jasper All rights reserved.

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      Demas W Jasper 5 years ago from Today's America and The World Beyond

      We have some citizenry power still remaining to us in the U. S., and it is the right to run for office at the local, state and federal levels, and to vote rascals out and good guys in. To the extent that good guys don't run for office, we are all the weaker. To the extent good guys do run for office and citizens support them, we can all still find reason for hope that our extraordinary system can still succeed in protecting the average Joe. As for U. S. corporations which share technology and ship classified items and data to foreign competitors, there are cures in the form of punishment (exclusion from bidding on government contracts) which can still be applied to restrict such practices. First though, the good guys have to win elections to the halls of power and remain good guys.

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      f_hruz 5 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada

      I just came across another very good analysis which puts the whole issue in a better light than the jokers in Wishing town want to make you think!

      http://rense.com/general95/putin-dc-chess.html

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      Eugene Hardy 5 years ago from Southfield, Michigan

      f_hruz

      I do not have an argument to fire back at you.

      Alas, some of what you are saying is true.

      Economically, the US of A has become a joke, I have no argument with this because it is true and becoming more true each moment we do not get our s&%t together.

      But consider: If it is true that one party systems are just as bad as two party systems, then what you are saying is there is very little difference between these three countries outside of politics and culture.

      One thing they have in common, however, are corporations.

      The point?

      Perhaps it is only a few corporations or interests that link the US of A, Russia and China in a way in which these interests pay themselves big profits, the remaining fact is that all three are still sovereign countries with their own agenda.

      One set of facts can not be ignored over the other, they are linked and related, and none are angels.

      But I do see your point.

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      f_hruz 5 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada

      The US funded NGO's which Egypt didn't want in their country are for sure not trying to help Putin in Russia.

      You have to understand that the interests of global corporations are not in line with ANY national government trying to advance the cause of the people! These big international companies would simply try and run China and Russia the same way as the US is being run today ... where the local folks have been bought and paid for, where democracy is done with Big Money and the voters have no real say in anything anymore - a two party state is as much a joke as a country with just one official party ...

      Even the economy in Vietnam is doing better than what you have in the US now ... lol

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      Eugene Hardy 5 years ago from Southfield, Michigan

      Even our corporations are working against our interests, and not just the outsourcing of jobs to China.

      Example: United Technologies sent classified materials to the Chinese in the development of the Chinese's Z-10 attack helicopter. I took a look at their design and I'd swear it looked like an Apache.

      No, we are not awake yet.

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      Demas W Jasper 5 years ago from Today's America and The World Beyond

      Eugene Hardy: Point equally well made, not to mentin "stuff" that went to China when it shouldn't have during the Clinton presidency. We are less naive now, but still tend to be more trusting than we should be.

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      Eugene Hardy 5 years ago from Southfield, Michigan

      f_hruz

      I'm not one to take sides easily, but I think Mr. Craig should look at the overall picture. Before making war states have always used foreign influence on each other, and will continue to do so until the cows come home.

      For instance, can anyone honestly say that Russia and China do not have foreign agents in the US? These agents would also include Russian and Chinese "private" concerns conducting scientific and corporate espionage in the States.

      Can anyone honestly say that?

      But, there are legitimate NGOs that are there for the purposes of their charters and nothing more. By Russia calling all NGOs foreign agents is to label them linked subversion and espionage when that is simply not true.

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      Eugene Hardy 5 years ago from Southfield, Michigan

      Exactly.

      As you said in your article, sooner or later, like Egypt and Libya they will implode from their own people. I only hope for fewer deaths and a smoother transition to a better system.

      Oh well....

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      Demas W Jasper 5 years ago from Today's America and The World Beyond

      Eugene Hardy: So far "crush" has normally won out over "reform" in dictatorial states. Syria's present dictator was offered a chance at reform and opted for crush, which has brought him (with the backing of Russia and China) to his present circumstance.

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      Demas W Jasper 5 years ago from Today's America and The World Beyond

      f_hruz In answer to your question: what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. National self-interest applies to dictatorial governments as well as truly, popularly elected ones. The author you cite should know what he is talking about, and both Russia and China have every right to enact the kind of laws we (the USA) enact. There is a difference on occasion as to how they enact laws and how we do it.

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      Eugene Hardy 5 years ago from Southfield, Michigan

      Perhaps I have a little Cold Warrior left in me, but it does appear that their is a self-interest from the point of both countries.

      As the quality of life and growth of the rising middle class in both states continues they will either reform the systems to enhance freedoms or crash any movements that interferes with the status qua.

      Good Hub, and thanks for writing it.

      Voted up.

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      f_hruz 5 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada

      What do you make of this analysis by Paul Craig Roberts here ...

      http://informationclearinghouse.info/article31910....

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