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Updated on February 21, 2013

Is It Real?

Is He Or Isn't He? Only His Hair Dresser Knows For Sure...

As I write this I am thinking, "You know Frog, you're going to be accused of being a birther once again." Understand this though, I am not a birther but have strong feelings and thoughts about my right as a natural born citizen myself to know all there is to know about any person chosen to sit in our Oval Office. Over the course of history that has always happened. What my true position on the continued controversy is one thing, and one thing only. If you aren't qualified to a "T" to be sitting there, you shouldn't be.

I've been following the subject all along and lo and behold here comes Donald Trump. He's known to be upfront, abrasive at times but does know how to say, "You're fired." That seems like an endearing quality that a "Chief Executive" should have and our present one doesn't seem to possess.

Birthers, true ones anyway, don't believe that Obama was born in the United States. The facts surrounding that event remain fuzzy and, in fact, are being obscured by legal maneuvering and must be costing the tax payers a tidy sum on top of all the other tidy sums we are having heaped on our plate. My question is, has been and always will be - WHY? I think many people have that same question in mind, which doesn't make them a birther. It makes them a concerned citizen who wants to know where their President of the United States was born. If it ever ends up that we elected someone who doesn't possess that one important qualification, think of the ramifications, if you haven't.

So along comes The Donald. He is eying a run at the highest office in the land so interviews naturally will follow. In one of those interviews, of all places "The View," the left wing ladies approached the subject with him. Now Trump is no "birther" either but I'm sure he, like many an American, was also wondering why an official birth certificate won't be released by Obama if for no other reason than to put the speculation and controversy to bed once and for all. So he expressed that. Man, you'd have thought he'd taken a shot at the Pope and all hell broke loose. You'd have thought Whoopie had a cow.

So the can of worms was opened and I don't believe that it was The Donald who yielded the can opener. I can't bring myself to watch The View. It would be too painful. The interviews continued on various media outlets where the subject gravitated to his statements on The View.I researched this so if you care to go in depth then Google "Donald Trump birther" and take a look for yourself. A lot of the humma-humma has to do whether The Lame Stream media speculates that his questioning "why" is a publicity stunt.

During the course of events and interviews, he was asked if he ran if he would release an official copy of his birth certificate. That's an easy reply in my mind so this is what the man said, "Of course I'd release it. In two seconds I'd release it. If I decide to run, I'll absolutely release it." I, myself, think that's a reasonable expectation from any presidential candidate which shouldn't be too hard to do. If you want to see mine, I could give it to you within 5 minutes. There is a move on in several states to make it a requirement that a candidate do so in order to have their name placed on the ballot. I, for one, actually applaud that move as it would prevent the sort of debacle we have witnessed as of late regarding anyone's qualifications to be the POTUS.

So the next thing Trump did was to provide Newsmax a copy of a "certification of birth." He evidently did this to illustrate how easy it is to obtain a "certificate of live birth" which is what Obama had put on the internet when the existence of his birth certificate came to be questioned. A "certificate of birth" is NOT a long form birth certificate, not by any means. Keep this in mind though. When Obama provided one as proof of his birth certificate, The Lame Stream Media didn't say a word about it, or question it. Remember? This is where the press being hypocritical rears its ugly head.

Almost immediately, elitists of the left wing media cried foul. You know what the foul was? In Donald's case, it was that a "certificate of birth," which is the same thing as Hawaii's "certificate of live birth," is NOT an official birth certificate. Well, I'll be. Isn't that what people are confused about this whole time? And if you question that then you are labeled a "birther?" Welcome to the "Land Of Birtherhood" Lame Stream Media. As soon as he released that document, it was questioned. I think you get the picture about the hypocrisy that is being exhibited. When the media's "Anointed One" produced the very same type of document they accepted that with a wink and a nod.

Ben Smith, from Politico, immediately reported that an actual birth certificate had to have the signature of the city registrar on it. Brilliant Ben. He went on to write, :"Trump's mother, it should be noted, was born in Scotland, which is not part of the United States. His plane is registered in the Bahamas, also a foreign country. This fact pattern - along with the wave of new questions surrounding what he claims is a birth certificate - raises serious questions about his eligibility to serve as president of United States."Now my question to Ben is, "Where the hell were you during the 2008 presidential campaign? Were you being your usual nonsensical self sitting in the corner drinking your Koolaid? Furthermore, what does an airplane's place of registry have to do with anything?

What Trump was illustrating was how easy it is to obtain and release a document such as that released by Obama. What really happened was that he illustrated the hypocrisy of those who accepted it as proof in one instance but not as proof for The Donald himself. Subsequently, he released the real long form birth certificate, a picture of it is in the upper right hand corner of this Hub, which states that he was born in Queens, New York on June 14th, 1946. It is signed by the Mayor, the acting city registrar and the commissioner of health. What he initially provided allows one to actually apply for a passport, but it never serves to do much beyond that. It never serves as one's actual birth certificate.

I don't think the Donald is a birther myself, nor do I think I am one either. What should be done is for Obama to put the controversy to rest. Questions do center around the "why" he fails to do so and that he has gone to great expense to have all his records sealed, and I mean all of them. This is our President, this is someone who should have expected his entire past to become an open book. Wait a minute though. Maybe that was his expectation...

Have a nice day. And let me add, "Run, Donald, Run." I kinda like the guy myself.

TFP

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      Jon,

      The long form just released is a certified copy. Did Trump get access to the original?

      Thanks, Stu

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      JON EWALL 6 years ago from usa

      The Frog Prince

      Trump is going to test the paper and ink on the document to determine when the document was made. Do you remember what Obama said about what he will be bringing to Washington, transparency. Now maybe he will release his records from Columbia and Harvard.

      OBAMA made over 1 million in 2010 according to his tax returns. His half brother in Africa lives in a hut and definitely is one of the poor of the world. Obama should think about his plans to spread some of the wealth, why not to Africa.

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      gitrdun4444 6 years ago from North Carolina

      Voted up, useful & awesome! I totally agree with you Frog! Keep up the great work...

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      proudlib - I was not using any stereotype to refer to anyone. I WAS PLAYING GAMES WITH BERNANKE'S FIRST NAME, AS A FORM OF HUMOR. THERE WAS NO OFFENSE INTENDED TO ANYONE IN MY PUN. It's true that I criticized Bernanke's policies following the pun, but none of that discussion was racial. You are reading something into my joke that isn't there.

      Stu

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      The Frog Prince 6 years ago from Arlington, TX

      proudlib - If you have nothing better to accuse anyone of then consider stuffing a sock in your pie hole son. Your baseless accusations against people you don't know or have any idea about indicate a weak mind. Maybe you understand that explanation. Weak minded followers of a fraud couldn't debate Uncle Ben son. I don't like Obama or his policies and it has nothing to do with his skin color. Maybe it is you who see a racist behind every criticism of this unqualified, inexperienced usurper. Feeling a bit of paranoia I reckon?

      Your comment on Trump This is total nonsense BTW. Every word there was fact checked. He even gave you the places where you can read it for yourself. Denial is such a terrible crutch.

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      proudlib 6 years ago

      Who has ever called Bernanke "Uncle Ben?" Using stereotypes like Uncle Ben to refer to Obama is by definition racist. The Pillsbury Dough boy is not a white stereotype. Accusing me of "playing the race card" is not an argument. If you think that racism is not an issue in this country and that many of the President's opponents are not motivated by prejudice you are more delusional than I thought.

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      notpolitical and Frog,

      proudlib is a troll. He called me a racist on my regressive tax Hub just because I said: "Uncle Ben (and I don't mean the rice guy)..." I was referring to Ben Bernanke, and just made the "rice guy" reference as a non-racial pun. I suppose if I said "and I don't mean the Pillsbury Dough Boy," I would be anti-white.

      Stu

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      The Frog Prince 6 years ago from Arlington, TX

      proudlib - Okay so go here and watch the video. Playing the old race card huh? That's usually the last one you play which indicates you have lost the argument.

      This is my trump card so lets play.

      https://hubpages.com/politics/Trump-This

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      notpolitical 6 years ago

      proudlib

      What a crock of BS you just dumped.the on line certificate

      is bogus,it's a live birth certificate,hell I can see he's alive I want to known if he wae born alive in the US of A.

      People like you all pull the race card because you have no other defense.

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      proudlib 6 years ago

      Come on! What a load of b.s.! Trump is a publicity hound who doesn't care a bit about the truth and you people hate Obama, so you will believe anything that confirms your twisted belief that he is not qualified to be president. His birth certificate is online. All of the Hawaiian officials are not lying. what would be their motive? This topic is unworthy of serious debate. The only money that has been spent by Obama was to answer frivolous lawsuits by those who cannot accept that a liberal was elected to the White House. Also a significant number of you are, I think consciously or subconsciously racist. What you call arrogance is the fact that a black is "uppity" enough to be smarter than 90% of the people in the country.

      Get real and focus on real issues. There are plenty of legitimate issues for you to disagree civilly with OUR president.

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      JON EWALL 6 years ago from usa

      HUBBERS

      CHECK THIS OUT.

      Glen Beck’s last show 4/22/11 on Fox Exposes transformation.............America http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/glenn-beck/index.htm...

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      Laura Irwin 6 years ago from The Great Northwest

      I have to say I kind of agree with Jim (themanwithnopants) because he is arrogant and would probably think he is above everyone else to have to present a brith cirtificate. It's beneath him. He's probably laughing at the American people voting him into office without knowing for sure.

      I'm all for Donald trump and hope to be voting for him. Hope he runs!

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      uptohere, OK, thanks, will be on the lookout for it. Stu

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      uptohere 6 years ago

      Stu

      E-mail coming at ya,got to explain something.

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      Hi uptohere,

      I'm very familiar with the billboard campaign. I believe WND is financing alot of it. I'd love to see one of these in the People's Republik of Vermont.

      Stu

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      uptohere 6 years ago

      Stu

      "My opinion is that if Obama can be proven ineligible, then his votes and EO's probably are null and void. This issue does need to be pursued"

      I absolutely agree and it is, but fear of being labeled

      a racist,terrorist or conspiracy nut case.

      There are two Billboards in Pa on major highways that show no names but deliver a message,loud and clear

      "Where's The Birth Certificate"

      It is out there and many are picking up on it ,but not MSM.The ones that are,check it out........

      http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=98546

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      AngelTrader,

      All excellent questions; enquiring minds want to know!

      My opinion is that if Obama can be proven ineligible, then his votes and EO's probably are null and void. This issue does need to be pursued, but the courts are scared. They keep bringing up the standing issue, but it's hard to imagine how anyone wouldn't have standing.

      As far as who controls Obama, it's hard to know for certain. It's really a matter of who he allows to influence him. He's a greedy man, and money talks. Follow the cash, and you'll know who controls him.

      You are not paranoid about the MSM. I firmly believe, but cannot prove, that the admin has sent private signals out about what will be tolerated. Break the rules, lose your broadcast license.

      Stu

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      uptohere 6 years ago

      Rings like

      "New World Order"

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      The Frog Prince 6 years ago from Arlington, TX

      Angel Trader - This subject should have been thoroughly vetted before the election ever occurred, not afterward. The fact is that our press, which I call the Lame Stream Media, failed to do its traditional job of vetting the candidates - all of them. Instead they anointed Obama for various reasons.

      The hands off now may be what you asked. If he isn't constitutionally qualified to be the POTUS, everything and anything he has done would be null and void.

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      AngelTrader 6 years ago from New Zealand

      If it is proven that Obama isn't American does it then follow that everything he signed off as President becomes null and void, illegal?

      If that is the case then the question of his citizenship should be actively pursued otherwise it is just more smoke and mirrors designed to deflect from the damage he is causing daily.

      Americans should really be asking themselves who controls Obama from the shadows, who are his masters? What are their motives? And you can bet your bottom dollar that it isn't for the betterment of the general population.

      And Stu the fact your mainstream media doesn't cover it should raise some serious concerns about who controls them. Apologies if I'm beginning to sound like a paranoid conspiracy nut job lol!

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      Frog,

      Let me know what you come up with. If you want some research help, let me know. This issue of MSM silence on the Birther issue really needs to be talked about alot more. The Birther issue is one of the biggest topics of the day, and you never hear word one about it, even on FOX. IMHO, there should be an avalanch of investigative reporting, tons of hour long Bill Kurtis type shows, etc. shining a light on this.

      Stu

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      upto here  6 years ago

      Wayne

      great info,quite a bit to consume,where is this all

      hidden.First time I heard all that,but I'm not from Chicago.

      Well Done.

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      The Frog Prince 6 years ago from Arlington, TX

      Wayne - I couldn't have put it more succinctly. I don't care where Obama was born. He is hiding something that he doesn't want people to know about. Why are his academic records sealed tighter than a whore house on Sunday morning? I believe that in the course of events he lied to accept federal student aid by claiming to be a foreign student to defraud the US government. I can't prove he did and he won't prove he didn't.

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      Wayne Brown 6 years ago from Texas

      If the birth certificate don't fit, you cannot acquit! Obie don't want to show his birth certificate even though it may say that Hawaii was his birthplace. He cannot not afford to because it will immediately point to the fact that he lied about his educational background and his origin to gain special favor on his entry into Harvard Law School. That fact will shine forth like a diamond in a goat's ass and leave the President lacking considerable credibility about other aspects of his background which he really does not want to go into. He is heavily indebted to the Saudis for buying him a place at Harvard thus his appearance to lean in the Islam direction. The heat on this issue has trailed him for years and he voluntarily gave up his law license in the hope that it might put the argument as it pertained to his education aside. Quite the contrary, no lawyer in his right mind in his 40's throws aways a perfectly good law license that only cost $600 a year to maintain. No big chunk for a man who grossed $1.7 million last year on books that he didn't write. At the same time, Michelle tossed in her license but for different reasons that seem to be associated with something less thatn stellar that she participated in while working in the office of Mayor of Chicago...you figure that one out. By this time, Obie was already running the streets of Chicago and creating divisions between whites, blacks, and others in the community in the true sense of an "organizer". Along the way, he just happen to make a lot of friends who happen to professed socialist and communists that Obie described as guys who "just lived in the neighborhood". He essentially won the State of Illinois senate seat when his opponent dropped out after his less than satisfied wife accused him of wanting her to have sex with other men while he watched...now there's a walk in the park for you and not a bad day for a guy who was once a drug mule for the Saudis. Obie lists Saul Alinsky's book, "Rules For Radicals" as one of his favorites hand touts Alinsky as the supreme community organizer. Alinsky just happened to be, like the boys in the neighborhood, a devout Marxist. If Obie lied about his credentials for college, then oh my goodness, what would we think of his explanation in terms of associations with Bill Ayers of the radical Weather Underground, Jeremiah Wright and his 20 years of poison in the pulpit, ACORN, The Black Panthers, The Woods Foundation, and on and on...Never has America seen a man or woman come into the office of President with so much "coincidental" baggage and simply shrugged its shoulders. WB

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      The Frog Prince 6 years ago from Arlington, TX

      uptohere - Let me see what I can do with it.

      The Frog

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      uptohere 6 years ago

      I never thought of that but then again I'm not

      much of a writer.I figure a guy like you would

      take the ball and run with it.

      This subject really upsets me to no end and I am by no means a racist,which also upsets me every time it's brought up.

      Some believe,as long as he's doing his job ,why worry

      about a BC,who knows,maybe this is just the beginning of his Real intentional goal.

      POTUS,I say Prove it or loose it.

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      uptohere,

      That is a great link. You should paraphrase it into your own words and make a Hub out of it.

      Another thing to do if you go forward is some research on whether or not there have been implied threats of license non-renewal for publishing stories about the Birther issue. This would not only affect TV and radio reporting. It would have a big time impact on print media, because many newspapers are owned by large corporations that also own TV and radio stations.

      I am appalled that even conservative media like FOX does not report on this issue. My fear about license retaliation might be the explanation.

      Stu

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      The Frog Prince 6 years ago from Arlington, TX

      uptohere - Thank you Sir.

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      uptohere 6 years ago

      For all who think Republicans are instigating this,here is a must read...

      truebluenz.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/wor-radio-interview-why-obama-bc-issue-is-off-limits-for-mainstream-media/

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      FP - I think Obama might end up in a Geico commercial. :)

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      The Frog Prince 6 years ago from Arlington, TX

      tugbo - It's so easy to Photoshop a certificate of live birth Obama can do it. LOL

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      tugbo200-5 6 years ago

      Oh I think they will come up with a legit BC,

      it's just taking them time to make it look old.

      I hear the WH staff are all compelled to take Photoshop classes.

      great hup

      peace

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      Frog,

      I think O'Reilly would do alot better focusing more time on interviews, where his brains really come out, and skip most of the "factoid segments," which make up most of his show. These segments are very simplistic, and tell us nothing we don't know anyway. I admit it's risky tinkering with a format that's so wildly successful in terms of ratings, but at a substantive level, the show needs improvement.

      Stu

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      The Frog Prince 6 years ago from Arlington, TX

      Stu - He provided no evidence what-so-ever. You know how he does his "fact" segment. Last night it was like he was an Obamazoid.

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      Frog,

      What did O'Reilly provide as evidence regarding the BC in the vault?

      Stu

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      Sunnie Day 6 years ago

      lol that is so true..never boring for sure! Thanks and have a great day!

      Sunnie

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      The Frog Prince 6 years ago from Arlington, TX

      Sunnie - I am trying to write every day now. With this administration I don't lack sufficient material. LMAO

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      Sunnie Day 6 years ago

      Thanks Frog, I am really reading your hubs and taking it all in..You are really good at what you do..I mean that! I was reading your new hub this morning..going wow! Thanks for keeping us informed and maybe in time I will be able to contribute a little more in comments. It is so important to keep up with what is going on around us, as it does effect us on every level. Thanks again.

      Sunnie

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      The Frog Prince 6 years ago from Arlington, TX

      Sunnie and Stu - Last night O'Reilly stated as a FACT that the state of Hawaii has the certificate sealed in a vault and that has been verified. If that is so, then why didn't the Governor of Hawaii, Neil Abercrombie, see it himself when he went to look for it. He stated that there is no long form BC on file. But he remembers his birth. Sure you did Governor. That had to be a memorable birth.

      He wanted to get down to the bottom of it and quell the controversy and came up empty handed.

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      Sunnie,

      "I would think that having a notarized birth certificate to run for president is a small task"

      I think it is a very small task. You just have to give written permission to the birth hospital. Obama could do this very quickly, if he wanted to.

      Stu

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      The Frog Prince 6 years ago from Arlington, TX

      Sunnie - The majority of what I write about you'll never see by watching or reading the Lames Stream Media sources. Stay tuned. I like your style.

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      Sunnie Day 6 years ago

      I will take your suggestion and with my eyes wide open! :) Thanks Frog!

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      The Frog Prince 6 years ago from Arlington, TX

      Sunnie - With what we see going on in this nation and how out of control things have become, may I suggest you proceed into the future with eyes wide open.

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      Sunnie Day 6 years ago

      I am not much of a political junky per say and have never heard the term "Birth-er" so there you go...:) but I have found this issue interesting. My Lord we have to provide a birth certificate to enroll our children in public school, I would think that having a notarized birth certificate to run for president is a small task.

      Thanks for writing a great hub.Think I will learn much here.

      Sunnie

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      LRCBlogger,

      Not end of story. Stare decisis is not intended to be a shield for judicial activism. Court challenges will continue, especially as new evidence comes to light.

      Stu

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      LRCBlogger,

      You are making two serious mistakes.

      The courts are highly activist, usually in a liberal direction. They legislate from the bench, rather than interpreting law according to framer intent. Court rulings must be held to the highest level of scrutiny before relying on their validity.

      Only a certified, long form birth certificate is adequate to demonstrate proof of POTUS eligibility. Short form birth certificates do not contain all the data required, and if not properly certified, may not even be genuine.

      Stu

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      The Frog Prince 6 years ago from Arlington, TX

      LRC - Do some legal research. None of those courts stated he is a legal citizen, not one of them. You're misconstruing the legal facts. There is somewhere between 20-30% of the population that isn't comfortable with this situation. That is a group Trump is playing to, among other groups.

      Don't be at all surprised if by the time this cycle rolls around that a number of states don't have laws on the books requiring candidates to prove their citizenship in order to be on that state's ballot. In fact, the movement is already on in more than a few states. This country doesn't need this sort of controversy ever again.

      And BTW, the issue is still in the court system and Obama continues to spend money in his attempt to conceal parts of his past. End of story.

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      LRCBlogger 6 years ago

      As pointed out, Politifact and Fox news were the sources. I also pointed out that you could use wiki for the explanation but used the other 2 as the 'fact based' sources.

      The 'long form' BC argument is a hoax. Read the facts on this. Regardless of what you think, it is irrelevant. Why do I say this? Because 6 times (3 district court rulings and 3 supreme court dismissals) say that Obama is a US citzen. All the conspiracy spreading isn't going to change the fact that he can and IS going to be the Dem nominee for POTUS in 2012.

      Conservatives should shift their focus to putting up a candidate that can beat Obama instead of fighting losing birther battles. The courts already decided that one.

      It's been a good debate but that is my last comment on this one. Regardless of our opinions, it has already been decided through the judicial process...end of story.

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      The Frog Prince 6 years ago from Arlington, TX

      No that isn't the argument at all. You contend he has released his long form BC, which he has not done to anyone.The proof will be the release of both that BC and his college transcripts.

      You make me laugh about not facing the fact that there is something there he doesn't want to be seen. What is it is the question here. Why spend 2 million dollars to put up legal obstacles? You seem to have this supreme faith in the courts. Not me.

      PS - Don't use Wikipedia as a reliable source LRC. That really makes me laugh.

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      LRCBlogger 6 years ago

      OMG, you guys are seriously making me laugh. Cmon guys, you're smarter than that. You are really going to argue that all 3 courts are wrong and that the supreme court was wrong 3 times!!! It is a conservative Supreme court, do you really think they would pass up an oppty to impeach obama? Here is a good summary from the PULITZER PRIZE WINNING factcheck.org website. Notice, it is a notable and reputable media source, not Glenn Beck or other insane nonsense:

      http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_th...

      Obama has released his birth certificate MANY TIMES and created this website (part of organizing for America) he created as part of the POTUS campaign: http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertific...

      Read through the wiki as well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizens...

      Cmon guys, focus on real issues. Not issues Beck dreams up so that he can sell you books.

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      JON EWALL 6 years ago from usa

      LRCBlogger

      The date of the article ,Friday, October 31, 2008 was during the campaign for the presidency. Note that’’ state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest''.

      The people of the US do have an interest. An original birth certificate has not been produced. The present Gov. Abercrombie, Democrat past Congressman, can't produce one as he said he would.

      If Obama would OK releasing records from Columbia, maybe the answer is there. He like Kerry, both Democrats, have yet to OK release important records when they ran for the presidency. Business as usual for the Democrats, just being above the laws.

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      Pegasis 6 years ago

      It now appears the grandparents did not publish birth announcements in two different newspapers in 1961. Both newspapers received the information routinely from the DHS. At the time the newspapers actually occupied the same building, but faced different streets and thus had differing addresses. The DHS supplied the information as a courtesy.

      A "Certification of Live Birth" is NOT the same thing as a birth certificate, particularly at that time in HI when many foreign nationals, especially Asians, obtained this form regardless of where the child had been born.

      This was not regarded as especially nefarious; it was simply accepted and not regarded as proof of anything other than that a child had been born alive and had a name.

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      The Frog Prince 6 years ago from Arlington, TX

      LRC - If it has been released, give me a link so we can view it. The Governor of Hawaii, who I happen to actually know, has stated that they don't have it on file. He also then stated but he remembers his birth.

      Neil has been high on drugs his whole life, especially during the time frame he references, which is when I first met him.

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      LRCBlogger 6 years ago

      Stu/Frog, to clarify, Obama has released his birth certificate. It is not "sealed." The long form/short form argument is a complete hoax.

      Besides, you can't argue that his grandparents published 2 birth announcements in local Hawaii papers in 1961. That is also a fact.

      As I have said, the only thing keeper the birther consipiracy alive is blogs and hubs about it that are not factually correct.

      I get my news from independent sources like BBC, NPR, Factcheck.org, etc. However, here is one story on Fox News regarding Obama's birth certificate. Notice how short and 'buried' the story is on their website. If you hide the truth, easier to sell conspiracies.

      http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Oct31/0,4670,Obam...

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      Frog,

      Hit the nail on the head. This is one of those things where you have to ask, what is the only possible reason Obama won't produce a certified long form birth certificate or release his academic transcripts? The only logical answer is that the two taken either individually or in combination would prove he is ineligible to be POTUS. If not, Obama would be the first to get the information out there to dispel the allegations that are dogging him.

      Stu

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      LRCBlogger,

      Birth notices and short form certificates mean nothing; you can simply purchase them utilizing self-supplied information. They lack critical data, and are not official. This is one of those things where you have to ask, what is the only possible reason Obama won't produce a certified long form birth certificate or release his academic transcripts? The only logical answer is that the two taken either individually or in combination would prove he is ineligible to be POTUS. If not, Obama would be the first to get the information out there to dispel the allegations that are dogging him.

      Stu

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      The Frog Prince 6 years ago from Arlington, TX

      LRC - I don't know where you are getting your information so no sense in slinging darts. You tell me one logical reason that Obama won't release his long form BC and unseal his college records then we'll take er from there.

      NOTE: I said, 'LOGICAL.'

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      LRCBlogger 6 years ago

      Stu, you are getting your info from sources most likely spreading gossip, not truth (glenn beck or something similar I suppose?). On 3 seperate occassions, the GOP leaning supreme court has thrown out the case. If there were merit to the birther myth, we know the GOP leaning supreme court would be all over it.

      The 'short form' birth certificate argument has been debunked about 54 times since the election. The Hawaii Dept of health has said they "hav Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures". The document has been produced numerous times including for 3 district court cases, all 3 were dismissed.

      If you want the final nail in the coffin proof: In 1961, birth notices for Barack Obama were published in both the Honolulu Advertiser and the Honolulu Star-Bulletin on August 13 and August 14, 1961, respectively, listing the home address of Obama's parents as 6085 Kalanianaole Highway in Honolulu.

      So, if you really believe the birther argument, than you believe that Obama's parents paid for birth announcements in 2 newspapers on the hopes that one day their black son would run for president and they could use this as evidence that he was born in the USA....lol. Funny stuff,

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      Frog,

      "The courts have never seen Obama's long form BC, not ever. It is sealed along with all his records from college. I'm curious as to why."

      Please see my post just above this one. I think it may provide the answer.

      Stu

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      LRCBlogger,

      I agree that the Donald is never going to be POTUS, and of course he knows it too.

      But the Birther issue is hardly laid to rest:

      (1) No certified long form birth certificate has ever been released from a US hospital. In fact, the Gov. of Hawaii searched for it and couldn't find it.

      (2) Even if Obama was born in Hawaii, we have no proof of Obama's date of birth. If Hawaii was still a territory on his true date of birth, he's sunk. Obama says he was born just a bit before Hawaii became a state.

      (3) According to some sources, citizenship law at the (assumed) date of Obama's birth required, among other things, continuous US residence of the American birth parent (Obama's mother) for five years following age 16 and ending on the date of birth. Data about Obama's mother's travels point to this requirement not being met. Without a certified birth certificate, there is no way to know Obama's birth date for certain, and thus no way to know whether or not he failed this test.

      (4) Newly surfaced information about Obama's supposed academic history indicate that he may not have even been born in the US. This information needs to be verified, but the allegations are that Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20, by his own admission. At that time, Pakistan was on the US State Dept.'s "no travel" list. The upshot is that he couldn't have used a US passport, and hence could not have been a US citizen at the time, and thus is not "natural born." This may be why Obama has gone to such lengths to seal his academic records (the group "Americans for Freedom of Information" has released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College. The transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program.).

      (4) is a smoking gun. If a certified long form birth certificate can be released, (2) and (3) may be smoking guns too.

      I may do a Hub about (4). I think it would be interesting.

      Stu

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      The Frog Prince 6 years ago from Arlington, TX

      LRC - The courts have never seen Obama's long form BC, not ever. It is sealed along with all his records from college. I'm curious as to why.

      I have Trump running myself. He is a straight up guy and makes no bones about the course the nation needs to take. He is appealing to the roughly 30% of voters who question Obama's legitimacy. That part is sure enough.

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      LRCBlogger 6 years ago

      It is a thorough hub you have written but I have to say, the birther myth stays alive through people like Donald. You can't make guarantees but I can tell you this. Donald is not going to make any type of serious run for POTUS. He is doing this for publicity. Re-hashing the 'birther' argument helps him reach a demographic that has alluded his show.

      On three seperate occassions, Obama's birth certificate was verified and authenticated in court. The argument is a complete myth. We also know that Obama's mother married while she was pregnant in the US. So we know Obama was growing inside of her in the USA...so if 'birthers' believe in pro-life, than that is conclusive evidence that Obama was "Born" in the US. Unless they do not consider an unborn fetus "alive".

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      JON EWALL 6 years ago from usa

      The Frog Prince

      I guess ''ONLY OBAMA KNOWS, WILL HE EVER TELL THE TRUTH?'' MAYBE if he would ok releasing his Columbia file, the question could be answered

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      The Frog Prince 6 years ago from Arlington, TX

      Tina,

      Work to get everyone you know to the polls in November 2012 and we'll do the firing ourselves.

      Jim

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      gr82bme 6 years ago from USA

      Frog, I think anyone running for any office should have to have been BORN in the United States! Period.

      And if you are running you should HAVE to present your birth certificate. Sorry its our government it should be our own that run it.

      Tina

      I think the Donald would be a good choice. Your Fired!

      Yeah, that is what I want to hear.

      Tina

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      FP,

      Defrauding the US government is certainly a possibility. Another one is pumping up his prestige by lying about his degrees, honors, etc.

      Stu

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      Old Poolman,

      Nobody hides documents without a reason. There simply has to be something bad (e.g., not eligible to be POTUS, lied about his academic credentials, etc.). Some reports say he spent almost $2 million to seal all his records. There has to be a purpose for this.

      Stu

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      Harvey,

      You got it right on. The reason the mainstream liberals think Obama's one of them is that they just listen to his opaque speech. His policies and actions prove he is really a socialist.

      I agree about the hiding of his birth and academic information. Nobody would spend $2 million of their own money to hide this information, unless it differed from his public statements about their content in a negative manner.

      Stu

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      Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

      Yes Frog - something is curious. Me!

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      The Frog Prince 6 years ago from Arlington, TX

      Poolman - His defrauding the US government as a college student might just be what is being shrouded in secrecy. Why have his college records been sealed along with the BC mystery? This thing gets a bit circular in nature upon serious examination.

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      Old Poolman 6 years ago

      It is scary that we know so little about our President. And efforts are underway to seal records that would give us a hint as to who he really is. Now this would tell me that there are some serious flaws in our candidate selection process. Either there is something to hide, or he is just demonstrating the power and authority he was granted when he won the election.

      Someone else pointed out that he may be caught in a catch 22 situation. He at one time claimed he was NOT a US citizen to gain certain benefits, and now needs to be a US citizen to be our President. He would either have to admit he lied the first time, or is lying to us now.

      It just makes no sense at all when all he has to do is show us a piece of paper and this whole thing goes away.

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      Harvey Stelman 6 years ago

      Froggy, Nice article! I believe that B.O. is a liar about most things. A quote from Charles Krauthammer as soon as B.O. was elected, "don't listen to what he says, watch what he does."

      He's doing it again. This case is being fought in California, I'm not sure where it is at. The attorney opposing B.O. believes B.O. has spent close to two million bucks to hide everything. There must be a reason to hide anything, or why hide it.

      I'm not completely a birther, but what's the difficulty here or with his school records.In Illinois he was always lucky to win an election. The one time he lost, the decision was 2-1 against a community advisor. That was Congressman (former Black Panther) Bobby Rush. H

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      Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

      Hey thanks Frog - I'm going to check that out! I dontmwant to miss another great party:). Then if one of you would like to dissect it for the sake of RealHousewives everywhere - we would know better what it REALLY means!

      I mean have you ever really looked at the tragedy of day time television - 99% crap. Shows like "the view" or soap operas! Sorry if your a fan of soaps, but I think watching imaginary problems in imaginary lives is counter productive.

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      FP - I've heard about the interviews, but haven't seen any of them. I'm beginning to have some doubts about whether Obama was even born in the US. Hawaii Governor Abercrombie tried to obtain the long form from Obama's claimed birth hospital, and was not able to find one. Later, the hospital said they don't have one, even though a copy of a letter by a hospital administrator was made public saying that they did in fact have it. So far, the hospital has refused to release the original of the letter.

      RH - There are a few states that have a bit under 10% each of the electoral votes. If a few of these enact a proof law, Obama's toast.

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      Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

      Stu - I took a note of that - I can't wait to see if you are right!

      My hunch is that there is something not is not right about the birth of O BAM! Ah:)

      He is just hoping the public will let sleeping dogs, LIE:).

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      The Frog Prince 6 years ago from Arlington, TX

      Stu - Don't know if you've been following O'Reilly's interviews with The Donald the last couple of nights. He's right up front with his observations. He'll be on the show again tonight.

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      It'll be interesting to see what happens. If say NY, FL, CA, PA and a few other big states pass a law this year or next, Obama will have to cough up the proof or face certain defeat.

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      Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

      True so true! I think I have yelled at it several times! Thank you for helping me try to understand this. There's so much crap involved it's hard to see the forest through the trees. Your way cool.

      I hope they do change the laws. I think that is just a no brainer - even I can figure that one out!

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      Hi RH,

      Some states are already in the process of debating laws requiring POTUS candidates to prove their eligibility. Candidates that refuse will be ineligible to receive electoral votes from those states. If only a few big states enact such laws, the party's over for the fakers.

      You can ask the newspapers anything you want. Getting ANSWERS is the hard part. :)

      Stu

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      Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

      I still think he should have to prove it! I'm from the show me state - SHOW ME!

      How about if I just decide not to pay my taxes until I see some proper ID! Lol

      Thank you for taking your time to answer me. This is really interesting to me. I have been wondering about it since I read the news article. You can't ask a newspaper questions though!

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      Hi RH,

      You're correct that there is an age requirement, although thus far that is not what the suspicion is about. The big issue is whether or not he qualifies as a "natural born US citizen," under the rules that existed at the time of his birth. Since we don't yet have a certified birth certificate, we don't actually know for certain what his date of birth was. And as a result, we don't know which body of law to use to determine whether or not he is a natural born US citizen (these rules have changed over time, and the applicable rules can only be determined if his true date of birth can be verified).

      I agree he would want to settle this, IF his long form birth certificate contained facts that support his claim that he is eligible to serve as POTUS. The fact that he has gone to such extraordinary lengths to hide his birth details makes me believe that he probably is not eligible.

      Stu

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      Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

      First! Thank you so much for telling me! I see, but still I thought there was an age requirement for the president. If my memory serves, I thought it was like 35? I could look it up totally correct me if I'm wrong, but if that is true shouldn't he have to prove he is of age?

      There's something fishy, because as president you'd think he would want to settle this. The need for a cover up - suspicious.

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      OP, please see my response above to RH; I think it addresses your point nicely. Stu

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      RH,

      The difficulty in forcing Obama to prove his eligibility to be POTUS is "standing." In order to file a lawsuit at equity demanding that he prove his eligibility, you have to demonstrate that his not doing so causes some type of unfair harm to you. You may remember the recent court marshal of Col. Lakin, who refused to deploy overseas because he questioned Obama's eligibility to be POTUS. Since not having this information would severely damage his defense, I was hopeful that the military panel would honor his petition to subpoena Obama's long form birth certificate. The panel refused, with the chief panelist (Col. Lindh) offering the lame explanation that "she didn't want to offend the president." Lakin of course was convicted, dishonorably discharged, and sent to prison (in connection with a plea bargain which reduced his sentence).

      Yes, I know Obama could easily produce a long form birth certificate if he was in fact born in the US. But there are some issues that could get him into real trouble if he did (copied from an earlier post):

      (1) Obama's precise date of birth is critical if he was born in Hawaii. If Hawaii had not yet become a state at the time of his birth, he would be ineligible. Hawaii was a US territory until very shortly before Obama's claimed date of birth. If Obama is misstating his birth date, the Hawaii situation brings up a major problem.

      (2) I've read some articles claiming that around the time of Obama's birth, citizenship law in regard to persons born in the US of one US citizen (his mother) require, among other things, continuous US residency of the citizen parent in the US for a period of five years starting after age 16, and ending at the date of birth of the child. I don't know whether this truly was the law at the time, but if it was, there is some evidence that his mother was in violation of this provision. Sadly, without a certified long form birth certificate, there is no way to tie the mother's travels to the key "trigger dates" the law references.

      Stu

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      Old Poolman 6 years ago

      I think it is because of his position that he doesn't have to show it, and nobody can order him to show it. We should be saying show us your Birth Certificate or start packing, but that will never happen.

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      Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

      I am ignorant of political matters but I do read the news regularly. I read about the Obama birth mystery and my first thought was - shouldn't he be compelled to do this? For gosh sakes he's got the highest rank in the White House shouldn't he at least have to prove he is a legal citizen? How can he dodge THAT of all things.

      I can go downtown first thing in the morning and grab a copy of my birth certificate in 10 minutes for about 10 bucks.

      Btw - I have to show a birth certificate so my children can go to school. Public school.

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      OP - Exactly. It would be in Obama's interest to release his academic and birth records IF they comported with his public statements about those topics. The fact that he has these under seal speaks louder than words. Stu

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      Becky - right on! I believe exactly the same thing. Stu

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      The Frog Prince 6 years ago from Arlington, TX

      Poolman - O'Reilly is interviewing Trump this week on his show. Last night he was straight up. I have to admire his candidness without any fluff.

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      Old Poolman 6 years ago

      I have been trying to think of even one valid reason why any honest person would refuse to show their birth certificate. Nope.....can't think of even one.

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      Becky 6 years ago from Oklahoma

      I believe that Obama has deep and dark secrets that he's going to great lengths to keep hidden so that he can continue to pursue his original agenda-his reason for seeking the presidential office in the first place-which is to weaken us, ruin our reputation as a world leader and bring our country to it's knees, to force us to bow to the international community and Islam.

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      Pamela, see my response to Frog above. Stu

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      Hi Frog,

      This issue is very complex. Even if Obama was born in the US, there are some serious concerns:

      (1) Obama's precise date of birth is critical if he was born in Hawaii. If Hawaii had not yet become a state at the time of his birth, he would be ineligible. Hawaii was a US territory until very shortly before Obama's claimed date of birth. If Obama is misstating his birth date, the Hawaii situation brings up a major problem.

      (2) I've read some articles claiming that around the time of Obama's birth, citizenship law in regard to persons born in the US of one US citizen (his mother) require, among other things, continuous US residency of the citizen parent in the US for a period of five years starting after age 16, and ending at the date of birth of the child. I don't know whether this truly was the law at the time, but if it was, there is some evidence that his mother was in violation of this provision. Sadly, without a certified long form birth certificate, there is no way to tie the mother's travels to the key "trigger dates" the law references.

      One or both issues above may be reasons why Obama is refusing to allow the birth hospital to release his detailed records.

      Stu

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      Marcuss 6 years ago

      Ronald Reagan produced his birth certificate, GHWB produced his. So did GWB and McCain produced his.

      Why not MA0bama?

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      The Frog Prince 6 years ago from Arlington, TX

      Pamela - If memory serves me correctly, a big deal was made of GWB being a "C" student at Yale. Not exactly a community college huh? LOL

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      Pamela Oglesby 6 years ago from United States

      I have wondered why he won't produce his birth certificate too. If if is real, than what is the big deal. He wouldn't release anything he wrote in college either. That does not hold true for most other past presidents.

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      50 Caliber 6 years ago from Arizona

      Frog, I'm relatively unsure of the real answer, but my heart tells me he's legit. I don't know what a "birther" iz for sure, this is the first I've heard it used widely. You gotta remember I live in the out back with no TV and if I went to get one of them boxes that let old sets understand the digital broad cast, I'd have to check to see if any stations here still broadcast as I figure they had to lay out a pile of cash to convert or hook on to a cable provider. So the news I get is from reading and day old videos. I'm a Foxer and I check MSNBC for an opposition to see if the dude with the tingly leg is still wetting his pants.

      It is one of many smoke screens thrown up while other gags are being pulled on those watching the birth certificate. So as the campaign fires up for 2012 maybe we will find the truth.

      Either way he needs voted out! Peace dust

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      The Frog Prince 6 years ago from Arlington, TX

      Stu and cjv - What I find interesting is reading the various comments here and how people are all over the place with different angles.

      My main point of this is pointing out the utter hypocrisy of The Lame Stream Media. I think The Donald baited the hook and they took it hard.

      Thank you both for your input.

      The Frog

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      Carol 6 years ago from Michigan

      I'm with the manwithnopants on this one. I have to agree with man - I believe Obama was born here. What I think has happened though is that he actually claimed he WASN'T born in the U.S. when he attended all the colleges he allegedly attended. I think that's where this gets dicey for him, along with man's theory - he is the most arrogant man to ever sit in the Oval office. I believe he wanted to receive foreign aid so he lied and said he was born in Africa or wherever and I believe he received foreign aid. Why else can't anyone find a shred of paper that would lead to a trail of his educational background?

      That's my conspiracy take on the whole matter...

      ;-)

      Great Hub Froggy!

      Carol

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      Stu From VT 6 years ago

      Hi Frog,

      I for one am a Birther. I make no claim to know where Obama was born, but I am forced to believe that the overall conditions of his birth would disqualify him from POTUS eligibility. Were this not the case, he would surely have given the birth hospital permission to release his long birth certificate. The combination of location of birth, age of mother at time of birth, and other factors would be dispositive in the matter. According to some reports, Obama has spent almost $2 million of his own money hiding both his birth records, as well as his academic bona fides. Essentially, everything about him prior to his Chicago political days is on a "trust me" basis.

      If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, well, you know the rest.

      Stu