I have no problem saying I did not realize the difference between a democracy and a republic.
Watch this short video and let me know what you think.
Good film. Many Americans have been fooled into believing they are in some way being taken into consideration by the gov. I myself was shocked to discover when I moved there that there is no proportional representation, having been fed the "by the people for the people" line.
Oh well. As I have always said, I have a tough time seeing any differences between any parties.
And I agree with knolyourself. Too much glorification of the "republic," and it is really an oligarchy. No matter the right-wing/left-wing BS. The same here in France. A republic where 100 people can change the laws to suit themselves.......
Sadly, the same applies in the 'Home of Democracy.' Mind you, the Greeks break stuff if the government goes too far - maybe democracy by direct action
My goodness. I could no agree more. Being in the army I am especially sick of the "We're the greatest government in the history of the world" talk. Whatever your opinion there can be no accepting of that statement without a true understanding of the past governments OF the world. People who have no knowledge of the past cannot claim that ours is the best simply because other countries tremble in fear of our army.
This truly is an oligarchy. The founders envisioned a govt. of representatives close to home where people could voice their grievances quite directly. However, over the course of 200+ years the representatives have distanced themselves that most people go their entire lives without sometimes even knowing their congressperson's name, let alone ever actually meet them.
I would be very interested to hear what the people in this forum believe would be a better form of government. This is an issue very dear to my heart as I have studied this for about 12 years now. Of course I have my own carefully guarded ideas of government. What say you?
I say less is more.
We have too much damn government all over the world. Seems to me like 50% of the population is supporting the other 50% that work for The Government Inc. Almost no matter the country - and America is certainly no better than many.
The only politician I have heard say anything that makes sense is Ron Paul. Can't say I agree with everything he says, but he makes some good points. Of course, he is unlikely to get the necessary backing to get anywhere.
This video is spot on. It is very sad that so many do not comprehend the very basic truths presented in that ten-minute video.
Thanks for posting!
"Watch this short video and let me know what you think."
Excellent little film. However I would quibble with the glorification of 'republic'.
The US is a republic meaning representative government. The question becomes who do the representatives represent? I would suggest the US is already a hybrid republic/oligarchy.
I was in the service in Greece. The government was overthrown soon after I left. When I came back a year later there were notices posted at all the cafes:
no political discussion allowed. But that didn't last long. The students overthrew the dictatorship, after I think 2 or 3 years.
Thanks, knolyourself - interesting that you witnessed it!
One of the reasons that the Greeks still cherish freedom - the dictatorship was a horrible part of history. The students indeed started the overthrow process - that is the reason why the Greek police are barred, by the constitution, from entering university premises.
"Color me very unimpressed." So how does life work out without stop lights?
"I would imagine it wouldn't work too well. What's your point?" Would imagine the point is an anarchist would not believe in stop lights since these things would requiree governent.
"Right, it's impossible to put up a stop sign without the government." Try Las Vegas.
We've got plenty of stop lights in Vegas. In fact, the bigger issue has been the complaints that the city won't allow people to pay for stoplights at dangerous intersections in newly constructed neighborhoods. That kinda kills your theory.
"the city won't allow people to pay for stoplights at dangerous intersections"
So you't saying the city won't allow the anarchists to put up stop lights?
We do organize parties where we get drunk and run from corner to corner installing unauthorized traffic devices. It's quite the rush.
Used to know people who installed unauthorized traffic devices. Think they were a little more serious though.
You shoulda explained to them that, if they really were serious, they would have to join the government in order to learn how to properly erect signs.
I take you draw your own water, generate your own heat and electricity,
make your own roads and figjht your own fires.
You're probably right. I've never heard of a private road or a volunteer fire department. In fact, I'm pretty sure that the settlers of California and other western states waited until the government showed up to drink anything or build a road.
I've been studying principles of sound government off and on for about 16 years. It's my belief that the US Constitution represents the best founding document for a just form of government that the world has generally ever seen. Alas, it has been amended badly at times and interpreted even more badly so that if you compare the government in the US today to the one established and envisioned by the Framers you would see two quite different creatures. Much of this difference came and comes about because of the blurring between a "democracy" and a "republic".
A poster above says he is in the army. He might be interested in the old U.S. War Department's training manual (see link for details) definition of the difference between these two forms of government:
I'd agree that Ron Paul sticks close to the principles of the Constitution - in both his walk and talk I would add - and the original intent of the Framers.
From what I have been able to garner I believe Joel Skousen's ideas on government and a Constitution most clearly adhere to the spirit of just laws and liberty. You can find his "Foundations of the Ideal State" here: http://www.joelskousen.com/Philosophy/philosophy.html
My own blogs are an attempt to simplify and put together some of the basics of "Understanding Liberty" - though I have written only 2 thus far and have little time Tom Mullen's blogs also cover many principles of sound government, usually taken from the starting point of a current issue.
Howdy AngloSaxon - good to hear from you.
Reading your definition of democracy, that seems to fit the Greeks perfectly - discontent and mobocracy!
Mind you, I have a lot more personal freedom here than in the UK, so it always seems to be a case of 'swings and roundabouts.' I am not sure about US government, as I only have a grasp of the basic structure, but the Greek Constitution was largely modelled on the US version, albeit a little more modern, as you would expect. It works well and still serves the people rather than the 'elite.'
I'm from the UK. Much of the philosophy of the US Constitution was taken from the old Anglo-Saxon Common Law libertarian (aka classical liberal) tradition of England.
The US Constitution did have a good effect on the constitutions of other countries - indeed, the British Prime Minister of the time (Gladstone) remarked that the document was the most marvellous work ever struck off by the brain of man (or words to that effect)...
Yup - Anglo-Saxon law is a little more familiar to me. I am originally from the North-West of England - although my favoured area was Viking history, the two traditions were very similar!
Sadly, we did not like the way that the UK is going, one of the many reasons that we moved to Greece (apart from the weather, food, sea and scenery!). In Greece, because the Fascist regime lies within living memory, they refuse to allow the government to sneak in restrictive laws by stealth. The news reports showed that the Greek riots were a result of 'anarchists,' but that was very lazy reporting - the underlying reasons run a lot deeper than that.
by Credence2 2 years ago
I was disturbed by an article I had recently read. The main theme emphasizing similarities between the current administration and the period during the 1920's after WWI and before the deluge of Hitler's ascendency in Germany. Yes, the article is from Salon but its content is still food for thought....
by Kathryn L Hill 18 months ago
The president of the United States of Rukraine would be a man who has familiarized himself with America's Declaration of Independence and it's Constitution determining what makes (made) it work, (or not work.)Each state would be converted from country-hood to statehood. The citizens of each state...
by SportsBetter 11 years ago
Is the United States a Republic or a Democracy?So most people believe the United States is a Democracy. The US was actually founded as a Republic. Some of the founders had put much thought in what they wanted the country to be. They knew that all of the previous democracies in the...
by ga anderson 4 years ago
In reading an essay on Cicero's On the Republic I stumbled across a couple of passages that force me to consider their pertinence to our modern times.Speaking to a Democratic Republic form of government and society, (ours) ..."Yet, in this greatest of strengths also resides the deepest of...
by Kathryn L Hill 6 years ago
Democrats expect people to pull together to help one another in a collective way. They do not realize this system removes a certain amount of individual freedom through raising taxes. Republicans want to empower the individual by keeping taxes low. They believe individuals, (through the self-effort...
by lady_love158 12 years ago
http://biggovernment.com/rlaurie/2011/0 … o-success/Lol!This is hilarious because it's sooo true!
Copyright © 2023 The Arena Media Brands, LLC and respective content providers on this website. HubPages® is a registered trademark of The Arena Platform, Inc. Other product and company names shown may be trademarks of their respective owners. The Arena Media Brands, LLC and respective content providers to this website may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website.
|HubPages Device ID||This is used to identify particular browsers or devices when the access the service, and is used for security reasons.|
|Login||This is necessary to sign in to the HubPages Service.|
|HubPages Traffic Pixel||This is used to collect data on traffic to articles and other pages on our site. Unless you are signed in to a HubPages account, all personally identifiable information is anonymized.|
|Remarketing Pixels||We may use remarketing pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to advertise the HubPages Service to people that have visited our sites.|
|Conversion Tracking Pixels||We may use conversion tracking pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to identify when an advertisement has successfully resulted in the desired action, such as signing up for the HubPages Service or publishing an article on the HubPages Service.|