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Sexual assault is not a left/right issue

  1. PrettyPanther profile image83
    PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago

    Sexual assault is not a left/right issue. Sexual assault, from unwanted touching to rape, is a cultural issue. Men have historically had the power, the authority, and the physical strength to dominate women. Some men view this power, authority, and strength as  inherent permission to do things to women against their will. Some know it is wrong and do it anyway, knowing their wealth or power will likely protect them. Some actually view grabbing and unwanted touching as "not a big deal." Older men of a certain generation sometimes think this way.

    The only way we will change this cultural acceptance of harassment is to stop excusing it, stop ignoring it, and make the perpetrators responsible for their behavior. This means all perpetrators, regardless of their position, wealth, or political party.

    Will you take off your political blinders and hold your president, your senator, your representative, accountable? I ask this question because I see people excusing their president while excoriating others.

    Are you willing to stand against sexual assault, period? Or, are you going to give politicsl cover to the perpetrators?

    1. wilderness profile image98
      wildernessposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      When we can convince women NOT to use sexuality or outright sex as a tool, or even a weapon, to get what they want we'll find it a lot easier to get the men to quit doing it.

      1. Aime F profile image86
        Aime Fposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

        Yep, let’s see how we can bring this back around to make excuses for men and put more of the blame on women. Sounds about right.

        1. wilderness profile image98
          wildernessposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

          You are going to be trying to accomplish the impossible unless you can change societies views on the matter.  Which includes BOTH halves, and if you don't think some women share the blame with some men you really need to re-think your conclusions.

          1. Aime F profile image86
            Aime Fposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            Please be more specific then about a situation where a woman is as much to blame for her sexual assault as the man who assaults her, and how the perception of women’s sexuality as a “tool” brought that situation on.

            1. wilderness profile image98
              wildernessposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

              I'm sorry Aime, but if you have never witnessed a woman in the job place using her sex as a tool for advancement or other perk, you aren't going to accept anything I might say.  And if you HAVE watched it happen then you know perfectly well what I'm talking about.

              1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                Ugh, I know I said we should save this for another thread, and we should.  I can't let this stand, though.  I've witnessed men use their wealth, athletic prowess, drinking ability, and all kinds of strengths to get ahead in the workplace.  Does that mean it's okay to rob a guy, because he exploited his wealth to get ahead in the workplace?

                Even more simply put, if you wave a $100 in my face, is it okay for me to snatch it from you and keep it?

                1. wilderness profile image98
                  wildernessposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                  If you wave that $100 bill in my face, offering to buy a promotion or a raise with it, is it okay if I take it while giving the promotion - a quid pro quo that is understood by both?

                  If not, who is wrong?  Me, you or both?  Personally, I find that both are wrong, and it doesn't matter if it is $100 bill or sexual favors.  PP, you can pretend that this isn't pretty common practice all you want, but I've seen too much of it to agree.The majority of women won't do it any more than the majority of men will, but it is far from uncommon.

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                    PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                    That is not the example I gave.  I did not offer or imply anything in exchange for the $100. 

                    Sexual assault, by definition, is not consensual.  Mutually consensual bargaining is not sexual  assault.  If, however, the boss says to the employee, I will give you a raise if you sleep with me, that is sexual harassment, due to the imbalance of power, even if the employee consents.  If both parties agree to have a sexual relationship, and it does not affect what happens in the workplace, well, that is not harassment, but it is stupid behavior among both parties.

      2. PrettyPanther profile image83
        PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

        The question was, do you stand against sexual assault, period?  Or, are you going to give political cover to the perpetrators?

        Simply put, do you base your assessment of innocence, or your assessment of the victims' believability, upon political party?  Or, do you base it upon the individual circumstances of each incident?

        I'd like to keep the question of whether a woman is responsible for her own assault out of this thread, if at all possible.  That is a whole other question for discussion.  If you want to continue it, maybe you could start another thread on the subject?

        1. wilderness profile image98
          wildernessposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

          Oh, I fully agree that sexual assault is completely, 100% out of line.  It doesn't depend on which party the perp belongs to, what color they are, which sex they are or how old they are.  I might (might) give some leeway to mental illness or decreased capacity, but not very darn much.

          How about you?  Do you limit it to men assaulting women, giving female predators a free pass because of their sex, or recognize that it can and does go both ways?  Everything you've said here indicates that you do, but it doesn't fit very well with the "persona" I assign to you.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image83
            PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            I believe women can also sexually harass or assault men, sure.  I personally witnessed it in the workplace many years ago.  She was reprimanded by the boss, and to my knowledge, the behavior ceased.

            Is that what you mean?

            1. wilderness profile image98
              wildernessposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

              It is.  I've witnessed it too.  In one case the foreman was firing a female crackhead - he was scared to death of a harassment claim to the point he fired her openly and publicly rather than take her aside to talk to her.  A good thing, too, as she was all over him and far beyond just a "touch", but with everyone watching it was impossible to file any reasonable claim.  All her, and without any doubt at all.  I've also seen it with co-workers without any possibility of "reward", just lust operating.

              1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                I think everyone can agree that sexual power moves can come from either gender.  What we must be careful of, though, is responding to women's allegations about men with the "but women do it, too" response.  Sure, you can find instances where men have been harassed by women, and they are equally bad.  In our culture, though, it is more accepted for men to harass women.

                1. ahorseback profile image82
                  ahorsebackposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                  ......'Fraid someone will have to point out a man sexually harassed on the job ,  I mean  one real case .   I'm not talking about a phony sexual accusation but an actual harassment case .

                  When I was a kid  of seven or eight in the early sixties there was a huge woman up stairs in our apartment building 300 -ibs who used to beat up her tiny husband 110-ibs.and once through him down the appt. house  stairs ........:-]
                  Now he was definitely harassed.

    2. ahorseback profile image82
      ahorsebackposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      There IS absolutely no excuse for the rampant sexual assault and /or domination by anyone .   Man or woman . Republican or Democrat ..................Its against the law  , as you well know there are two sides to these " assaults "  especially mixing them in the office of a political leader.   Liberals love to defend Bill in the sexual power struggle that went on between Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky ........defending Clinton only  because of his ideology ,  yet the same possibility with  Roy Moore  quickly becomes a  "the poor woman " scenario  and has Moore judged , prosecuted and impeached  .The same allegations against Clinton and adult victims , all boiled down to the woman's fault.

      I say this , The hypocrisy between republican or  democratic leaders and their followers   in dealing with the fine lines between  sexual assaults and sexual manipulation is the bigger issue .   You want equality , act equal .  You want fairness , act fairly .  You want equal women's rights ,act equally and not hypocritically  .

      The greater hypocritical views are always projected  from the left's political ideology ,   if you will defend the woman rights always against the man's  , no matter the situation , you're wrong .   If you will use sexuality to attain wealth , power or position , you are still wrong .   There is however no excuse for adults to wait years  to file allegations.
      Sexual assault is against the law , sexual manipulation probably should be and  yet , never will be .

      The left really needs to bone up on the definition of hypocrite .

  2. ahorseback profile image82
    ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago

    Pretty panther , so you know my answer , are you afraid to answer for the power of a woman's sexual endeavors ? Wilderness is a pretty conscientious debater  are you then in denial of his opinions ?

  3. Kathleen Cochran profile image83
    Kathleen Cochranposted 3 weeks ago

    Wilderness:  Of all the outrageous comments you have made on this site, this one is the worst.

 
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