Why did the 'founding fathers' separate church and state?

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   Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago

   There is no word God in the US Constitution.
   
   If there were the US would be ruled more like the many of the Middle Eastern Muslims countries where God rules all in their constitution.
   
   No joke, from death to America news. Some kidding there.

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   Live to Learnposted 5 years ago

   I would say different people had different reasons. I know Jefferson got his ideas on separation from a Baptist minister. Many Baptist ministers preached long and hard on there needing to be a wall of separation. Jefferson's wording on the subject was plagiarized from one of them.
   
   Which is really funny. Now that the Baptists are so powerful they aren't on board with the idea.

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      wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Not surprising; the original intent was to preserved freedom of religion and once a particular sect or belief is strong enough that is no longer necessary.  Indeed, it can prevent a strong religion from taking over and requiring ALL to accept it.

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         Mark O Richardsonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         That is my understanding to about not forcing a certain religion for all.

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      Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I love studying history and empires that keep on repeating themselves. With Government, Religion and Military all in Bed together. Their ultimate power of authority to kill and steal greater than the public do throughout history. It's just these 3 hierarchy take turns at it at different times.
      
      Even Richard Dawkins said, Nationism is more dangerous than Religion, right now. I fully agree.

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      TessSchlesingerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

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         Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Individually, perhaps that is seen as justification for attempting to bludgeon freedom of thought in other individuals.
         
         But, as with all organizations, the idea is gain as much power as possible within the sphere of your interest. Then expand your sphere of interest to gain more power. The more power attained, the more likely those on board are to assume the power gained proves their beliefs on social structure are right and should be forced on others through legislation.
         
         Religion is just one manifestation of this type of structure. I don't think a Christian has to subscribe to an arminian belief to support, even tacitly, pushes for legislation we assign to be driven by it.  Because even if you don't support a particular interpretation you realize you have no proof that interpretation is wrong. You just hope it is. Your understanding of God doesn't support it but, again, you have no proof. You won't support it but you won't fight it.
         
         I think what bothers me is that Americans don't get the fact that desire to control through government mandate, where hard facts can't support a shared belief, is not unique to religious organizations.
         
         Desire to criminalize individual ideas and actions within the whole, solely because they run contrary to an agreed upon norm within an individual group, is alien to the values espoused by those who began the great experiment.

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            Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Taxes began in world war two. Now they own you by debt and your mortgaged house and the your little unhappy job too.
            Of course Religion does not have to pay taxes wail the poorest paid Feild like artist like me, have theives like government for every turn.
            
            What group I have learn most from about individual freedom is entrepenurs anarchist. If you follow the hierarchy scripts for your entire life, you will be economy slaves of the synthetics and will not even notice it because your comfortably numb in your state of mind. You won't even know your not really living life to the fullest.
            
            Write your own script for your life.
            Love is Godlike and nature is my Religion and nobody owns me.

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               TessSchlesingerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

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                  Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm speaking of income taxes that were supposed to be temporarily during the war.
                  
                  Product taxes is understandable for most part.

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                     TessSchlesingerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

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                        Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        Didn't I say , supposed to be temporarily during the war. I forgot my s that's all, bad habits. Now they are up to averaging 2 major wars a year. They always need more money than we got to support greed.

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            TessSchlesingerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

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               Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               This drive to what? Criminalize thought or speech contrary to what those pushing for power disagree with?
               
               I'd say the drive for globalization. There's some,to me, weird stuff being pushed. I think the influence of Europe is causing trouble here.

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