Folks, this is just a light-hearted conversation starter.
My wife came in this morning practically foaming at the mouth and stuttering.
"Are you watching this! Who the hell does he think he is!"
*Those were just two of her comments that I would repeat.
Turns out, she had been watching Pres. Trump's Victory Celebration event this morning. And that he said "Bullshit" from the Presidential podium was more than she could tolerate.
*(Note: My wife and I never talk politics. I just say yeah, uh huh, and try to keep my head down and nose unbloodied.)
And then, just a few minutes ago I caught Nancy's response, (first one I caught, there may have been others).
If you folks have missed these you have to go find them. They are worth the effort.
As a play-by-play commentary, the Pelosi response I just saw would have been at least a knock-down in the ring. I am not a Pelosi fan, but if' you gotta give the devil his due, then you gotta give Speaker Pelosi hers.
Perfect examples of the High Road and the Low Road.
Yes, watched both of their speeches. Trump hasn't learned anything from being impeached, as we knew he wouldn't. I loved the part when he admitted he'd done wrong in his life....but not on purpose.
Donald Jesus Trump! Has nice ring to it, eh?
Yes, I saw all of it and thought Pelosi nailed him to the wall. Of course, I recognize my bias so was not sure my interpretation would be the consensus.
She took the gloves off but maintained dignity and class, in stark contrast to our boorish Don.
Ugh, it's going to be a long 2020.
My bias may counter your bias. I think she nailed him too. And with class.
*(I can't remember the last time I said anything good about her)
However, this lapse just may be an anomaly triggered by the Pres. Trump's AM No-class Victory event.
If I'm being honest I shake me head every time Pelosi speaks and that clip was no different. I'm tired and, as a woman, embarrassed at her constant inability to keep her emotions in check and her stunt at the Stateof the Union was pure catty female behavior I would expect to be beneath someone in her position.
Trump will always be a twit but if you act like a twit in response, then you're no better.
I assume you shake your head thousands of times when Trump speaks, if that's the case. Be careful, it may fly off and hurt some innocent bystander!
It is amazing how real and authentic that Blue dress/Gold dress phenomenon is.
Two, not greatly dissimilar, minds look at the same thing and end up with such dissimilar perspectives.
And can be civil about it. I wish more people had the ability to accept that not seeing eye to eye is not a reason to insult.
I simply find Pelosi fake. It's hard to look at anything she does as not calculated. Her childish behavior at the State of the Union, her faux outrage. Her sanctimonious ' I pray for the President'. If she were a Republican she'd be called out for it and laughed off of the stage.
Yet you accept Trump's childish display with relish, LTL.
How indignant can you pretend to be?
I have not previously been complimentary of Nancy Pelosi, so let me be clear that my comments in this exchange are relative to her press conference today, (2/6), in relation to the State of the Union Address.
I think Pres. Trump's Am event was so classless that Pelosi could have been forgiven if she responded in-kind. But she didn't. In my view, she did take the 'High-road' and demonstrated class by doing so.
That is not to say she didn't get in a few jabs, but at least they were classily thrown.
That's the crux of my confusion. I find little classy in the behavior of either. An open show of emotion toward a politician over the barbs thrown back and forth is childish. She plays the game by her own choice.
Maybe it's just me. I consider most of her statements about Trump openly hostile and, at times, rude. As are his comments about her. Can you honestly express outrage when the reciprocal rudeness hits home, when you actively participate in the game? It sounds rather weak to me; to pretend that you have a right to outrage.
Here's the thing, LtL. You insult "the left" instead of having the courage to speak directly to the poster you are insulting. And then you adopt this hollier-than-thou posture on civility. We see right through it, though.
And Don sure was civil today, wasn't he? Made you proud, I bet.
If you say so pp. I think I spoke directly to you when you choose to insult me. But okee dokee. I didn't stutter in my response when you purposely lied about me. But, if you say so.
Trump has never been civil. I have never argued that he was. But, I can't ignore the obvious simply because Trump has never been civil. You don't get a pass at incivility because you can claim someone else lacks civility.
That type of argument is self indulgent and is used to make excuses for a lack of self control.
I know, you've never met a woman you didn't blame for every man's woes.
Your childhood must have been somethin'.
Kind of catty comment you made, pp. You are certainly welcome to make up lies about me. It's a Democrat thing. I guess.
Aw, now, now, it's an observation. If you can tell me when you've ever sided with a woman over a man in any situation discussed in these forums, or ever believed a woman over a man, then my observation would be proven faulty.
For one thing pp, in these forums I don't assume anything about the poster. For all I know you could be a guy; as goes me. I come here,as do you, to share a point of view. I don't owe anyone support.
As to supporting a woman over a man, why would I allow the sex of anyone determine my opinion of right and wrong? For the most part, we talk politics so, politically speaking, I can't support anyone who depends on identity politics for support.
You've made a general accusation. You can either bring up a few specific incidents which caused what I perceive to be your lie, or I'll assume the lie is an attack because you have nothing relevant to argue with.
"As to supporting a woman over a man, why would I allow the sex of anyone determine my opinion of right and wrong?"
I believe you answered your own question when you said "...the lie is an attack because you have nothing relevant to argue with." Just as the House did in both of their attacks on Trump, assumptions of wrongdoing must be made in order to support the attacks. When truth and fact does not support an attack all that's left is an assumption, so that is what is used.
Yes. And this hubber does it quite often when responding to me.
I agree that gender should not be a consideration when judging a person's actions. That is exactly my point. Some people, though, operate under a conscious or, most often unconscious, bias that influences their views. For most people, this bias is not so extreme and therefore not really noticeable.
Did I lie? No. I merely noted that you don't seem to like your own gender very much and then I quipped about why that might be. I invited you to counter it with just one example of when you ever took the word of a woman over a man, or sided with a woman over a man, in any discussion here. It would be easy to prove me wrong, if I am, so please do it.
No, you haven't insulted anyone yet in this thread but I was referring to your typical pattern of couching your insults by generalizing them toward "the left" when It's clear you're insulting the poster.
It's truly laughable when any Trump supporter bemoans a lack of civility anywhere.
I've made my point, though. No need to hammer it.
Yours is similar to the 'have you stopped beating your wife' question.
A lie does not become valid because you won't own up to it. Also, I don't owe you an explanation to counter a lie.
A lie is a lie, pp. No matter how often you pretend otherwise.
Lol, if you say so.
I am not missing the irony of how quickly you define my speculation as a "lie" versus how often you have defended or minimized a Trump lie.
"A lie is a lie." Pardon me while I recover from a giggling fit.
Your lie is a pretty minimal reason to get upset, also.
It's all about context pp. The only thing I know about you is our interaction on this site. You lie about me here and have done so elsewhere, in other threads. Maybe, if I had more context I could change that view.
But, still, your falsehoods are as inconsequential as the ones you insist are high crimes by Trump.
In terms of a political tactic, it is a good one by Trump.
As bad as Trump has looked, Pelosi has looked far worse, and spoken with even more idiocy and arrogance (she ISN'T the President, just the Speaker of the House for a few more months) and that petty display during the SOTUS where she tore up the speech...
What it tells Americans... the Dems are even worse than Trump.
Their ideas are worse, their antics are worse, their pettiness is worse.
That is what has been on display the past few weeks.
And that is why Trump is more popular than ever.
That, and the economy, makes him a lock for 2020.
It will be interesting to watch the haters on here...
As they watch it all come to fruition.
3 years of vile & bile...
Only to watch the man get re-elected.
Yes, the revenge guy makes good on his promises. What a POS you admire, Ken!
I suppose one could say , " The difference between the two is black and white."
Okay, I know I am breaking form, and I shouldn't be weak, but, after that Victory Celebration, I just can't resist.
We should pair links:
Loved that! Thank you both for sharing.
"....not passive-agressive, aggressive-aggressive."
Now that we're sharing...
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