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How crazy is it.....?

  1. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    Hey Hubbers,

    While most people on average are caught up in their daily routine, I figure I would try to catch those who are on HubPages to discuss something.

    However, it is unfortunate, some people might not like what is said, but to be completely honesty, I find it fairly hard to see how things are to work properly.

    Now- religious folk, those who follow god's will or laws, are supposedly not sit in judgment of anyone. There are plenty of religious folk who make judgmental statements about other people's action and deemed them immoral, more often than not.

    On a side note- the laws that govern people are enforced by the citizens(on a jury) of the community. These same citizens, a fairly good portion, have some religious bias, that always plays a factor in their decision making.

    Meaning, if there are bunches of religious folk on a Jury, how can they be trusted to put their bias aside??

    Doesn't having a bunch of religious folk on a Jury automatically provide an appeal? It would be considered prejudice weighted...right?

    So, let me know what you think...?

    Thank you in advance. wink smile

    1. kmackey32 profile image63
      kmackey32posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Your always right.....

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Not really Kmackey. But, usually right more often than not. lol

    2. Sab Oh profile image55
      Sab Ohposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Your fear of religion is affecting your ability to reason.

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Your comment is ridiculous. I do not fear religion. And, religion is not affecting my ability to reason.

        However, religion does skew their followers view. wink

        1. Sab Oh profile image55
          Sab Ohposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Yeah, that is what the fearful always say to cover their shame.


          As for the rest, you really need to think a little more carefully about your 'legal' opinions 'cause they make 0 sense.

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            I wouldn't expect you to understand anything I say. But, thank you for your input. hmm

            1. Sab Oh profile image55
              Sab Ohposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              YOU wouldn't expect anyone to understand you, because you are the guru who understands the truth and meaning of life where others do not  roll

              1. Cagsil profile image60
                Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                Actually, you happen to be wrong yet again.

                I don't expect YOU to understand me. I know plenty of people who do. So, your attempt to mock is meaningless and baiting material.

                So, with that said. Enjoy!

                And, I'm sure you will throw out some comment, to assure yourself and your ego. hmm

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    DoorMattnomoreposted 7 years ago

    also, all people of power have been placed there by God....

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      And, where did you learn that one? tongue

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        DoorMattnomoreposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        smile  I didnt mean I believe it...its just another wierd contradictory thing in religion. shit....

        give me a google minute....


        when I was a kid, I was told to be neutral, as GOD will handle everything. But the bible somewhere says to support political rulers cuz they are all placed by God.

        but I wasnt allowed to vote.

        blech....I dont care. I hope  the world ends in 2012 and I wont have to think anymore.....

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          But, if the world ends, then we cannot be friends no more and why would you want to end our friendship? sad

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            DoorMattnomoreposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            i just dont want to think anymore

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      kimberlyslyricsposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      roll

      OMG

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      DoorMattnomoreposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Romans 13:1 - "Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God.""

      again...just what got punched in to my head as a kid

  3. Ohma profile image75
    Ohmaposted 7 years ago

    A little to much time on your Hands Cags? wink



    But no really yes I agree that a religious jury would tend to sway toward the values of those teachings and in my opinion taint the verdict. Having said that I must add that with or without religion there are a number of things that are just wrong in everyone's mind and for these things like murder, rape, etc. I think the outcome would be the same no matter what the makeup of the jury was.

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      The sentencing phase? Don't you think? wink

      Life in Prison versus Death Penalty?

      And, no I have all the time I need. Can never have too much time for anything. wink

      1. Ohma profile image75
        Ohmaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        I think the sentencing phase could definitely be an issue.

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Thank you Ohma, Door and Kimberly for weighing in. smile Much appreciated. smile

        2. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Hey Ohma, think of it one step further now....

          The appeals process? All the time and money spent on it? hmm

          Remember, like I said, it's automatically a basis for appeal, so appeal process is going to happen, regardless of outcome. hmm

          1. Sab Oh profile image55
            Sab Ohposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            "like I said, it's automatically a basis for appeal"

            No, it is not.

            1. Cagsil profile image60
              Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              You keep believing that. hmm

              1. Sab Oh profile image55
                Sab Ohposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                Like I said, go ask a lawyer or other legal expert about your 'theory.'

      2. Rochelle Frank profile image95
        Rochelle Frankposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        But some 'religious ' people are opposed to the death penalty and some are not, so why would that be different than any other group?

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          That is a nice point Rochelle. Why would it matter? It just means that they do not understand their own beliefs nor do they understand how they formed that belief, for which, when it comes time to decide...they cannot be honest enough to be of any good to the system. Their choice will be tainted, compared to those who are not of any religious view or outlook.

          1. Rochelle Frank profile image95
            Rochelle Frankposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Everyone's choice is tainted. (and I'm being objective) big_smile

            1. Cagsil profile image60
              Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              lol

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    kimberlyslyricsposted 7 years ago

    There is no human possible way that jury would not be bias.  It's an argument that should be forced for those who believe different to be the criminal and have a jury full of religious people opposite of your religion and a death penalty would be possible.

    My terribly written point is why do so many of us have to be right?  Why do most of us never consider walking in someone else's shoes, and not even having to know the details?

    I judge no one and your belief.  It would not enter my mind, nor do I feel I have the right to, it;s ignorance.

    But what is consistent is hate.  Hate for each others beliefs, so judgement is spit out.

    I hate that!

  5. Ohma profile image75
    Ohmaposted 7 years ago

    But the appeal will not overturn the conviction only the sentencing.
    When thinking about it in dollars and cents yes it could be very costly.

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Not could be costly. IS costly! hmm

    2. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Btw- prejudice jury on appeal would overturn the verdict, and bring on a new trial, with a new jury? wink

  6. Diane Inside profile image80
    Diane Insideposted 7 years ago

    Yes there is no possible way any jury will not have some biases no matter what their beliefs are.  But they do have a jury selection process that both sides get to weigh in and  have jury members that both sides agree upon.

  7. seanorjohn profile image80
    seanorjohnposted 7 years ago

    When it comes down to it you could find a case for no one being eligble to sit on a jury.Should the: rich sit in judgement of the poor,white v black,Republican v Democrat,High IQ's v low IQ's,city folk v rural folk etc. All will lack some degree of empathy and bring prejudices to bear.

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Nice to point that out, but you offer no solution? hmm

      1. seanorjohn profile image80
        seanorjohnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        The solution is that we trust the people to collectively act in a just manner, accepting that we are not infallible.

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          That would be all well and good, but religious folk cannot be trusted. hmm Sorry, but they cannot.

          1. Diane Inside profile image80
            Diane Insideposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            no fanatics cannot be trusted.

            1. Cagsil profile image60
              Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Yes, of course fanatics cannot be trusted, but how would you be able to tell the difference, on a jury? hmm

              1. Diane Inside profile image80
                Diane Insideposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                you can't thats why we must trust the jury selection process, that's what it is there for the weed out the people with agendas.

                1. Cagsil profile image60
                  Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  And it is still manipulated. So, no solution. Thank you for your responses. hmm

          2. seanorjohn profile image80
            seanorjohnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            But do you think whites can be trusted to judge blacks and rich v poor etc.Why single out religion.We have to trust the majority to put prejudices aside. Otherwise we leave it to the select few.That is the path to tyranny.

            1. Cagsil profile image60
              Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Religion breeds distrusting people who are not honest with themselves, much less other people.

              You compare color of people or status, like rich or poor? Which have nothing to do with it.


              Edit: distrustful people is what religions breeds. wink

              1. seanorjohn profile image80
                seanorjohnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                Cags, you should study the troubles in Northern Ireland.The fighting and killing was never about religion.Pure power and politics.

                1. Cagsil profile image60
                  Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Okay, and what is your point? Nice, irrelevant post. Thank you for your input. hmm

              2. Sab Oh profile image55
                Sab Ohposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                "Religion breeds distrusting people who are not honest with themselves, much less other people."


                Exactly the opposite.

  8. Ohma profile image75
    Ohmaposted 7 years ago

    I think there are some on both sides of the fence that can be trusted and some that can't.
    Lumping people together into a standard of behavior based on their beliefs is sort of like saying all all redheads have bad tempers or all overweight people are jolly.
    It is a very bad habit to get into.

  9. Diane Inside profile image80
    Diane Insideposted 7 years ago

    There are people with agendas on both sides of the aisle. That the truth no way around it. The jury selection process was put in place to help weed those people out. It is not infalable, but it is all we have, and it works pretty well. It's not perfect but it never will be because we are human, not machines.

    Cags, you say religion breeds distrusting people but it seems to me that you are the one who sounds distrusting.

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Why do you say that? You make no sense.

      Religion breeds selfish people. How can you trust a selfish person? hmm

      1. Diane Inside profile image80
        Diane Insideposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        No religion does not breed selfish people, there are selfish people in all beliefs religious or not.  I respect your decision to not have a religion that is your choice, but it seems like you do not trust anyone who is religious. And by religious I mean believes in God. I do not go to church, but I believe in God.  Even though you do not I still would trust you if I knew you and felt like you could be trusted. I have friends who do not believe the way I do but I know they can be trusted.  You need to not put people in boxes not all religous people are fanatics. Just as all atheists are not bad people. I like you from what I see on hubpages. You make people think and challenge people which is always good, but I would hope that you could see that their beleifs do not interfere with being a trustworthy person.

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Religion breeds selfish people. Parents teach their children about god, even if they do not believe it themselves, to give them an option. When religion obtains a follower, that follow becomes selfish through the use of the doctrines religion teaches. So, yes religion breeds selfish people.

          And, yes selfish people can have no religion. Elimination of religion provides less selfish people in the long run.
          A religious person is more inclined to be selfish, because that's what religion teaches. Again, how can you trust a selfish person to do what's right?
          It's a higher cause other than humanity. That action is selfish.
          I trust only two people. I have faith in people to do what's right when necessary. The problem is too many looking out for themselves. Too much selfishness. Not enough caring about others.
          I did not say they were all fanatics. I said they could not be trusted.
          Actually, with the irrational ideology of god, makes most religious not trustworthy. Because, they cannot think for themselves. They do not guide themselves, but are lead.

          Again, Thank you for your input.

          1. Sab Oh profile image55
            Sab Ohposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            "Religion breeds selfish people."

            Human nature breeds selfish people. And fearful people. I'm sure you know what I mean...

            1. Cagsil profile image60
              Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Human nature breeds a lot of things. hmm I have nothing to fear. hmm

              1. Sab Oh profile image55
                Sab Ohposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                No you don't, so you should work on getting over your irrational fear.

          2. Sab Oh profile image55
            Sab Ohposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            "A religious person is more inclined to be selfish"

            Exactly the opposite.

            1. Cagsil profile image60
              Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Actually, not true. For those who are religious and follow the teachings of being selfless, then they turn selfish, it human nature.

              Sorry. hmm

              1. Sab Oh profile image55
                Sab Ohposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                Your fear of religion is clouding your thinking. If you get ahold of your emotions and think about it, you'll see that almost all religions are about community. Community is not about selfishness, distrust, or dishonesty.

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    kimberlyslyricsposted 7 years ago

    someone said weed, honest.

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Hey Kimberly smile

  11. Diane Inside profile image80
    Diane Insideposted 7 years ago

    Okay what scenario if any are you thinking in a courtroom, would there be a mostly religous jury, that would damage the outcome of the case. Just curious.

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      More than 75% of American citizens are of some sort of religious faith, so you think about it? hmm

      1. Sab Oh profile image55
        Sab Ohposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Maybe YOU should think about that...

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          I have thought about it. You make no point. Nice post. hmm

          1. Sab Oh profile image55
            Sab Ohposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            I don't think you have thought about it. Ask a real lawyer about it.

  12. Diane Inside profile image80
    Diane Insideposted 7 years ago

    No I mean is it about the death penalty, is that what you are opposed to? Or are you for the death penalty? Is that the bottom line? I mean if the verdict of guilty is stated beyond a shadow of a doubt. According to all the evidence presented. Then what do you oppose exactly? And I am saying for the charge of 1st degree murder.

  13. Diane Inside profile image80
    Diane Insideposted 7 years ago

    Are you avoiding my question, whats up?

  14. Diane Inside profile image80
    Diane Insideposted 7 years ago

    Sab Oh why did you hijack my conversation with Cags I was really curious to what he thinks and I don't understand why you did this. I understand you beliefs are very strong and you want to share your opinion but really it just seems like you are trying to provoke Cags. I just wanted to learn his prospective.

    1. Sab Oh profile image55
      Sab Ohposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Feel free to carry on any discussion you like.

      1. Diane Inside profile image80
        Diane Insideposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        yeah right thanks.

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    ralwusposted 7 years ago

    hmmm, personally I have always believed the worst convicts should be both judge and jury. Would they be tainted?

  16. zzron profile image56
    zzronposted 7 years ago

    You got me on this one brother, I'm not religious but I am a Christian so if telling a jury that I'm religious would get me out of jury duty then that works for me. LOL.

 
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