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Christians' Reactions to Homosexuals

Updated on June 26, 2016

What Makes a Person?

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When I look at other people, I see people. I don’t see sexual orientation. I am amazed that many people still see this as a factor to personal identity, and many parents teach their kids to judge identity using this one factor. A person’s character goes much deeper than sexual orientation. As a high school teacher, I see all kinds of students and behaviors. Being homosexual is hard. Being Christian is hard. Students who are gay and Christian struggle with what is right or wrong because of the social norms that have been outlined in their community.


Young Christians

Young Christians seem to be one of those groups who do not get out of their comfort zone to experience who people really are. Their Christianity seems to be intolerant rather than tolerant of others who are different, especially homosexuals. Having said this, I now must say I am a Christian. I do not say this with shame. On the contrary, I say this with my eyes-wide-open and with honor. I work with the youth in my church and see how some of them embrace tolerance and some reject tolerance, and in most cases, they are emulating their parents. While some Christians do judge, others try to be like Christ and see people for who they are and not what they are. I want to know the person, and I don’t want to turn anyone away from my faith, from Christ. Learning this lesson is sometimes hard for young Christians.


Young Gay/Lesbians Coming Out and their Christian Families

For instance, more young people are “coming out of the closet” today. I suppose our level of acceptance has risen over the centuries, so the young gay community feels more secure in their “coming out.” Okay, so they are gay. Is that all they are? Do they not have feelings, jobs, friends, family, and interests that make up who they are? I know of a case where a young man in our church youth group “came out,” and his parents served in high profile community jobs and were both Sunday School teachers. The “outing” was devastating to the family, but let’s get some perspective. It seems that all of his wonderful qualities had flown out the window and had been replaced with the “gay” label. No, he is more than just gay. In this young man’s case, his parents were at first selfish. They were worried about what others would think of them and how it would look, but they didn’t stop to think how hard it was for their son to confess his homosexuality to a homophobic family. This kid has been awesome at nearly everything he has put effort into, and his personality is gregarious and caring.

Judgments from the Church Family

I guess his parents had a right to fear appearances because, sure enough, judgments were made, especially at church.  I was speaking to another youth director about the young man and stated we needed to handle this situation carefully so we did not turn him away from Christ.  Her response was that he had chosen his course and “would go to hell if he doesn’t change back.”  I was shocked at her lack of empathy for what the young man was going through and would be going through.  And, change back?  Can heterosexuals make themselves homosexuals in a blink of an eye?  I think not.  Where it seemed easy for her to pass judgment, the young man’s parents were struggling with knowing their child and finding out he had “added” homosexuality to his list of items in his identity.  They had to make a choice to either love their son and disagree with his sexual orientation or turn him out. Fortunately, they chose to love him.

 

Christian Friends Reactions to a Coming Out

The young man’s “outing” did not only create problems at home and church but at school, too. To the other students, he had always been “out there,” but until he made no secret about being gay, they were able to overlook his flamboyant ways and embraced him as a friend. One of his long time girl friends who he has gone to church and school with all his life said, “I don’t know how to handle it when he is telling me how ‘hot’ some guy is and how he wonders if the guy is gay. It freaks me out.” She said he seems to want to sleep with every good-looking boy in the school. I told her to continue being his friend. I also asked her what she would say to a girlfriend who appeared to be promiscuous. She said, “I would tell her that she needed to get her mind out of the gutter.” The girl is his true friend and is having a hard time dealing with some of his words and actions, but I told her to be patient, to love him, and to be honest with him. She needs to tell him when she thinks he is going too far with some of his comments. She said she knew that is what she needed to do, but sometimes she got so frustrated and was afraid he would feel she was judging him. He is young and needs to learn what is appropriate and what is inappropriate, just like all of us must learn at some point in our lives. Treating him “different” in a negative or pseudo-positive way will not help him. It will more than likely cause him to rebel and be promiscuous rather than try to understand this intimate part of his self.


He also has other friends who he has been raised with and who have now turned their backs on him. One girl said, “He has made his choice, and he needs to change back.” She is not willing to see any other side in his case. She doesn’t realize he is having a hard time too and needs his lifelong friends to remain with him. I asked her what Jesus would do. Maybe a cliché question now but relevant. She stumbled over this question. She finally said she would try to be a good friend to him and “pray for his situation.” Her answer implies she will not accept him as a friend if he continues “choosing” homosexuality. If he doesn’t make the changes, she will “wipe the dust” from her feet and walk away from him without a second glance back. She believes she is handling this in the Christian way, but she is judging and not putting much more thought into the true nature of the Christian way. I disagree with those who make themselves judge and juror, and I believe Jesus would too – He disagreed with the Pharisees. As a teacher and leader in my church, I feel I must pass on what I believe to be the heart of Christ, which is love, patience, and tolerance.

How Christ Treated Those Judged by the Community

As an example, Christ did not look at the adulteress who was about to be stoned as a whore without worth.  No, He saw her as a person, and He told the men, those who had chosen themselves to be judges and jurors, if there was one among them without sin to cast the first stone.  Well, we know what happened next.  They had to leave because they knew they, too, had sin in their lives.  Many of our young Christians know this story, but they conveniently forget it when things do not seem right to them.  With the young gay man, would it not be better to say, “I love you for who you are, but I do not agree with your lifestyle”?  Seriously, people agree to disagree all the time, a philosophy I try to pass on to my students and tell them we do not know what another person’s destiny holds.  Wouldn’t it be better to just say, “I am here for you, and I love you”?  Isn’t that the Christian way? I believe if those who love him and want him to be a good man should encourage him in all the other areas of his life.  None of us are perfect, so those who think so need to get over it and look deeper at themselves and the lives of others around them.  Granted, our youth are still learning about life, and self-realization is a tough one for young people who think they have most of the answers to life. 

 

What the Bible Says or Doesn’t Say

I do not recall any of the Commandments or Jesus’ teachings stating you will go to hell if you are a homosexual. Some Christians believe this, but I challenge them to find the passages in the Bible as proof. Yes, in Leviticus it states men lying with men is an abomination to God. It also states that cutting ones hair short is abominable to God, so are all our young men with short-cropped hair going to hell? Of course not! Leviticus was a guideline to health and survival for the Israelites as they made their 40-year track to the Promised Land, not a conditional reprimand to be used thousands of years later against others who do not quite “measure up.” Many, especially young adults, just take bits and pieces of the book and conveniently ignore the rest. Sin, any sin, is an abomination to God, and we have all done something that is considered a sin. “All fall short of the glory of God.” Our youth, and especially, many of our adult population, need to remember that compassion and love do not come with conditions. If this were not true, we would all be lost.

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      Susan Holland 4 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Hi Buildreps! I wrote this hub out of personal experience and deep conviction of unconditional love we should have for others. I was prepared for opposition, but it was not always easy.

      Thanks for dropping by and take care! :-)

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      Buildreps 4 years ago from Europe

      Bravo for your very nice 'controversial' Hub. I came on your Hub through search, looking for controversial Hubs. I am busy with a Hub about abortion, but it is still under editing doubting to publish this. Your Hub gave you some 'unexpected maintenance'?

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      Susan Holland 4 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Hi JLPark! I am sorry it has taken so long for me to get back to you. I did not know that "homosexuality" was not a word until the 20th century. That is interesting. I do believe that there has been a lot lost or added in translations. The one thing I do believe though is that God loves each and every person unconditionally. I don't believe there is a lost translation in that message, nor the "judge not lest ye be judged" message. I have no right to point a finger of judgement towards anyone. I have my own baggage/sins for God to deal with. But I know He loves me just like my mother loved me, but on a grander scale and with much more power attached. That gives me comfort.

      You mentioned Leviticus... The one verse I always think of is that men with cropped hair are an abomination to God. Now, I don't know about you, but that sounds like a rule to keep men and women from being over-exposed to the sun as they wandered through the wilderness for 40 years. If I am wrong, God will let me know about it - in that I trust, but it sure seems like a rule to help protect the people. I believe Leviticus holds a wealth of wisdom on how to survive before people knew how to take care of themselves, physically and mentally. We both know that sex without proper cleansing or mental balance could harm our bodies and minds and hearts.

      Anyway, I am so glad you dropped by. Just know that even if you do not believe, not every Christian is judging you. There is so much more to you than your sexual orientation, just like there is more to me than my sexual orientation. It is wrong to judge, period, but especially without looking at the whole person. I wish for God to bless you and keep you.

      Thanks, again, and take care! :-)

      Susan

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      Jacqui 4 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks for this one. Finally a hub that tries to think it over, rather than just condemning. And has a thoughtful word for each and every commentor.

      I will be honest and say I did not read ALL of the comments (there are a number!), but the few that caught my eye. One of them disturbed me a little that quoted either Romans or 1 Corinthians.

      As an agnostic gay woman it disturbs me that I know that the word HOMOSEXUAL was not invented until the early 20th Century - I know that both the OT and NT were written WELL before that - but that many people take it as a LITERAL translation of Gods word - as a Christian person, I figure people should know that, not a non-religious person like myself. If there is a translation that includes 'homosexual' it has been translated from the INTERPRETATION of the translator - not literally. So, in essence, from a person who thinks that they knew the will of God in this particular verse.

      I am not surprised, but it's still disturbing, that people insist on providing verses dispraging homosexulaity OUT of CONTEXT. I was over-joyed to see that you had written of the 40yr track to the promised land in relation to Leviticus. ALL Six verses admonishing it appears of homosexuals are always taken out of context. For example:

      Gen 19 - Sodom and Gomorrah - "Yada" - is translated as "to know" in the Bible. Why then, in Gen, is it suddenly "to know sexually" - it is not used this way anywhere else - is it merely another 'translators assumption". Jesus speaks of Sodom's sins in Ezekiel, and elsewhere - never once does he mention homosexuality as it's sin. Again, this verse is used out of context to condemn something that it does not. And besides - if used to condemn homosexuality, you should see what i condones - incest and rape amongst other things. You're a little worried about two men having sex, but no worries about Lot's attempt to give the men his two virgin daughters?

      Leviticus - both verses. TOTALLY out of context. What better way to increase a community than outlaw sex that isn't reproductive. Or things that could make you ill like eating pork that has been improperly stored, or tattooing (Gosh knows what sterilisation they had available!), or....blended fabrics. I don't know any man who asks a woman if she is menstruating before he touches her, yet it is a sin in Lev.

      Romans and Corinthians - written in a time where Paul was trying to encourage people away from the older Pagan faith. What better way to achieve this than disparage some of the more pleasurable practices?

      Out of context - they mean NOTHING of Gods word, and a lot about ignorance, and subtle distain/hatred for something they do not understand.

      In context - they no longer work for cause they were being used for.

      I love learning about religions, and their histories - the reason I am agnostic is I haven't found the 'one' for me. It is disheartening though to see a Gods word used for hatred, when his only intention was to love.

      Thank you again for this hub, and letting me waffle. I get a little hot under the collar occasionally, hopefully not today.

      J

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Must65gt, I am so glad you gave the statics of how much more the Bible concentrates on love rather than judgment. All fall short, and all have sin. God loves all of us, even those who do unimagineable things that are far worse than being gay or promiscuous. I believe gays can be Christian, but in many cases, why would they want to when the Christians who have been in their lives have been pointing an accusing finger of hell at them. I disagree with this sort of judgment and believe we will pay for putting ourselves in God's place. God's Word clearly tells us to love and not judge.

      Thanks so much for stopping by!! :-)

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      must65gt 5 years ago

      People have so many different view of Christians, almost as many as the views Christians have about God and what he accepts and won’t. I believe God will speak to us all in his own way, through time and with patience. The keys are to know the Old Testament and how it relates to the new. After reading the comments left by others and your responses to them, I must say I am impressed as to how you worded your replies. It is also plain to see many people hold fast to what they “Think” the Bible says, and few take time to “Know” what it says. If we are to hold fast to hard standards, then they should be based on knowledge and fortified with Love and Understanding. The word Hate is mentioned in the bible only 13 times and never about people, only sin and corruption. The New Testament mentioned Abomination, with respect to Homosexuality as a way to describe Gods position. Repenting of sin (no matter how great or small) requires accepting the knowledge it is a sin, and then repenting and striving to abstain from it again. Because homosexuality is a sin, he cannot and will not accept it. However, that did not change his love of the people. I know some Homosexuals and lesbians, and they are people just like the rest of us. God ask Christians to be “Christ like” and love one another as we love ourselves. He commanded “Judge not or by the same standard so shall we be judged.” But he mentioned love over 933 times, so it seems this is where the importance needs to rest. If people wish to find acceptance, there must be love in great bounty, and only through that love, can we hope to show them Gods complete plan. It is my opinion that the most important things we should derive from God’s word, are Forgiveness, Patience, understanding, and Love for fellow man. Only through this can I ever hope to share Gods plan.

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Thank you, Ana! I believe God loves all of us. It is a shame that young people feel God "hates" them. It turns many of them away from God, which is the sad thing. When we are finger pointers, we are turning them away from God, which makes us responsible for a soul. I don't want God to tell me on Judgment Day that I turned people away from Him. That frightens me much more than trying to be compassionate to people I don't agree with.

      Thanks for dropping by and your wonderful comment!

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      Anan Celeste 5 years ago from California

      You , my friend deserve an standing ovation! I commend you and your pen for giving a voice to the compassion and unconditional love of God. Growing up I never understood why homosexuals were being trashed and dismissed as abominations. In all my years of being a teacher of the gospel and teachings of Jesus, I have encountered many teens and adults that actually think that they are abominations and that they deserved going to hell for their biological need to be attracted to their same sex.

      I cant, And WON"T turn away from someone that is Gay. Anyone that knows me ,knows this. When it comes to it, every single man and woman that considers themselves righteous has sinned. Including myself. I have no right to judge NO ONE. In the 20 years I have been working and ministering to teens, 90 % of gay teens "know" that God hates them. You heard right, they believe that they are abominations. Loving God, while hating his creation, creates a sore in the message.

      Those that point their finger toward others have the other four pointing at their own sin. I could write a book only citing the sins of those that consider themselves "Christians or godly".

      I wonder what God will say to them when the time comes. I hope for all our sake, He is compassionate and loving, in a way we never could or deserve....

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Hi Linda,

      You make some great points. I, too, believe God is the ultimate parent who loves all His children. Everyone who has ever walked this earth is a child of God. He gave us free will, so just as a child can reject a parent, a person can reject God. I just don't want to be that person who that other person looks at and thinks, "If judging others is what being a Christian is about, then I will turn my back on God." To me that is a greater sin than the sins some Christians feel the need to harp on. God sees and knows all. He will be the only Judge.

      I disagree with your statement that Hell is the pulpit for Christians. My take on it is to go Heaven and take as many people/souls as possible with me.

      Thanks for your comment. :-)

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      LindaSmith1 5 years ago from USA

      There are so many comments, I did not read all of them. However, I do have a few things to say.

      The bible says that we were made in God's Image. The next thing is the topic of Hell. Oh my goodness, Hell is the pulpit for Christians. Homosexuals, prostitutes, thieves, somebody who wears a red shirt, a woman who is perceived as not dressing her children properly for church, those with long hair, and the list goes on is going to hell because they have sinned. The famous line used so often is Wages of Sin is Death. Well, since so many of us is perfect, which you have to be in order to go to Heaven, then Why Did Jesus Die On The Cross? The bible thumping, judgemental Christians need to start walking the walk, rather than just talking the talk. Quoting bible does not impress God. Our judges is God, plain and simple. We tell drug addicts that God loves them. So what do we tell homosexuals, God will love you IF you go straight? God loves all of us. God, like any loving parent, will love all of their children, but it does not mean they like everything their child does. When we go to a dentist, or doctor and then praise them, tell others how wonderful they are, did you ask them if they were gay first? Do you ask your minister if they are gay, which is possible you know. Did you ask the fireman who went into a burning building to save a life if they were gay? Did you ask if the cop who grabbed a child who has drowned and started doing CPR on that child, or who rushed child to hospital in his car with sirens blaring instead of waiting for an ambulance to save that child's life if they were gay? Did you ask all of those in the military who have come back maimed physically, and mentally, after fighting for this country if they are gay? I think not!!!!! Now I ask you this!! When was the last time that you flipped through the bible to find quotes that you think back up your opinon about gays, about the divorced couple next door, about the unwed mother, all you claim have sinned and are going to hell, have you looked at yourself, made a list of all that you have done in the past, and today, then look in the bible to see what it says about your sins that you have committed.

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Ollie, I am so sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you. I hope you do reconsider God. Forget the negative that has been thrown your way. I even suggest you just read the Bible, especially the Gospels, and find out who Jesus hung out with. He loves you no matter what and that is all that matters. There is a plan for you. Look to God, and let Him have your life. You will never regret it. As the Bible says, He takes care of the lilies and the birds, how much more does He love you??? A TON!! There is much more to you than just your sexual orientation, just like there is more to me than mine.

      If people tell you God doesn't love you, they are WRONG. He is waiting for you to come back to Him.

      Hang in there, and look to God and ignore the others. You are going to be all right. :-)

      Thanks for dropping by. I know God has great things in store for you. Take Care and know that someone is praying for you. God bless you!

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      Ollie 5 years ago

      Ma'am, I'd like to thank you for putting this up for me to find. For the longest time, I've struggled with my parent's (just one,) strong aversion to gay people (not very comfortable as a lesbian teen....) I've always identified more with my atheist parent as she accepted me for who I am without question. I'd come to the conclusion that most of my more religious friends would not accept me or my 'sinful,' ways. I do not have a choice in my sexuality (I have tried to like males but have yet to come across any attraction to one.)

      I have done a lot of studying of the bible and have always been extremely disappointed that the one passage could cause some of my friends to judge me so unfairly. You're post has given me some hope that they may yet accept me, even if they do not agree with it.

      Also, it may interest you to know, that homosexuality in the bible, can be translated to pedophilia, which I agree, is immoral and wrong. I prefer that translation to the bible. Between both this fact and your post, you've given me the strength I need to reconsider religion and God.

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      Willette 5 years ago from Michigan

      I am not sure where to begin. I think that a lot of what I want to say has been said. Yes we must have unconditional love for others. Doesn't that mean that you love them enough to share with them God's punishment for those that do not turn away from their sins. On some level I think you and PlanksandNails are actually saying the same thing. Maybe not saying the same because their was that misunderstanding of the judgment scripture. But scripture was given to clarify. I guess with the free will that God gave us it needs to be made clear that God does not force his love on you. You can choose what you want but there are consequences. Yes we are all sinners, but the bible believing Christian has repented, turned away from their sins. Dosen't mean that we are totally sinless, otherwise we wouldn't need Jesus. But we sin less and less striving to be like Christ. This is a difficult age for children and you do want to be kind in your dealings with them, but at some point they need to know the truth of God's punishment before its too late. We are losing a lot of our kids younger and younger these days so we don't want to wait too long to give them the whole story. I think the scriptures have been covered so just wanted to add that in. Really enjoyed reading the hub as well as the comments.

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Hi Barbara. Thanks for your comment. I understand what you are saying, and I give it over to God to let the Spirit lead any person - gay or straight. As far as calling people "homophiles," I didn't. If you are referring to me quoting Christ in saying "Judge not lest ye be judged," I did and I believe that. Having cropped hair is also an abomination to God, but no one ever seems to go into all the abominations to God listed in Leviticus.

      We all fall short. I know I do. I have disappointed God more times than I care to think about, but I am so thankful that He loves me unconditionally - as He does you, the young man in the hub, and everyone else. He is my judge, and for that I am thankful. If we judge someone, why would that person want to be a part of God's children if we, with our pointing finger, are the example? I would not want to walk into a house where I felt I was going to be ridiculed. Christ says to love one another, and I add to that by saying trust the Spirit to do His work. Don't be a stumbling block because all things are possible through Christ. I say step aside and let Him do His work and remember His timing is not our timing. If that Christian family had not loved their gay son, they would have sent him out into darkness filled with anger and resentment. Instead, they put aside their selfish worries about what others would think of them and showed him the love Christ shows him. I am sure they have their son in their prayers everyday placing him into the hands of Christ. I am not sure what more they could do because they are showing their faith in Christ by doing so.

      Thanks, again, for your comment.

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      BarbaraStanley 5 years ago

      There is a difference between tolerating and acceptance. Jesus might tolerate a person who is gay, but at some point, His tolerance will be over. A gay person is loved the same way any lost person is loved, but Jesus expects them to heed the call of the Holy Spirit. The only path to Heaven is through Jesus. To get to Jesus as Lord and Savior, a person must acknowledge his sin, confess it and turn from it. To the woman committing adultery, Jesus said, "Go and sin no more." He did not say to her, "It is ok that you were found with a man who is not your husband. I understand your need and I will tolerate your sin. Who knows, maybe one day I will accept your behavior as normal."

      Yes, we must love the homosexual. But, we must never accept their lifestyle. By doing so, we are saying to them that it is not sin. They will never confess being homosexual, never turn from it and never find the path to Jesus.

      If a male child is born with a propensity to molest and rape babies and children, should anyone in society tolerate this activity? After all, they say they can not help themselves. They are attracted to children. If a pedophile raped your daughter, would you say that Christians should accept this and not be judgemental?

      No one has the right to judge who is going to hell or to Heaven. However, we were told to make a judge of character and not continue in fellowship with sinners who refused to accept their lost state.

      I know, homosexuals claim to be born gay. Can you remember a time when you were 5, 6, 7, 8 or even 9 years old and coming to the conclusion that you were heterosexual? No, I did not think so. You were like me, we had no sexual desires for either sex. This is a false claim, relieving the lost of their guilt for their sins. Satan is a great deciever. He has deceived many, making them believe they were born gay, so it must be ok. He has deceived you also.

      I have a relative who is gay whom I love with my whole heart. He says he knows his lifestyle is wrong and God does not accept it. He continues in it for the sexual pleasure it gives him. He has never asked anyone to tolerate his homosexuality or to accept it as normal. He does not flaunt it, but keeps it to himself. He is very intelligent. He looks for loopholes in the Bible, but has found none to excuse his behavior. You are giving lost people loopholes which will damn them to hell simply because sin must be acknowledged and confessed, repented of and engaged in no more. Jesus says we mst die to our carnal natures and be born again as new creatures. If you tolerate or accept homosexual behavior, how will they see a need to do the things I just mentioned? Jesus does not tolerate unmarried people of the opposite sex engaging in sexual activity. What makes you think He tolerates it between two men or two women?

      What gives you the authority to call people homophiles? You don't know that these people fear gay people. All you know is that they do not accept it as normal behavior. They have a right to practice their Christian faith which says homosexuality is an abomination to God.

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Thanks, Grace. I appreciate your comment. I do not understand voting someone down for disagreeing. We are a writing community with many differing opinions. Yes, Paul and Christ and many others remind us that love never fails but the knowledge of men does.

      Again, thanks so much for your comment. :-)

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      graceomalley 5 years ago

      Sholland - I agree with you that hubs should not be voted down for personal disagreement. This would make no sense. Some think a person can't think straight if that person does not share their own opinions - anyone who can reason would agree with me, of course!

      Paul reminds us that knowledge will cease, but love never will.

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Man from Modesto, I hope you read the hub. I believe the parents loved their son unconditionally like Jesus loves us. But, Jesus has a much bigger capacity to love and forgive than we do as humans. If we treat the homosexual community with loathing or hate, they are not going to want to give their lives to Jesus. Jesus makes changes in our lives that we cannot predict. He said we would be surprised to see who was in Heaven and who was not. I take Him at His Word. We should try to love one another even when it is difficult. We may be the only Jesus they will see.

      As to your other comment, I felt it did not stick to the topic of the hub. I will say that I care much more about what God thinks than what any human thinks.

      You stated you voted the hub down. Did you vote it down for poor writing or because you did not agree with it? There is a difference. I get disagreeing, but if the writing is decent, I do not vote others down because of personal feelings. I don't think professional writers on HubPages do that. Just my opinion, though.

      Take Care!

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      Man from Modesto 5 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

      There is a lot of "lack of knowledge" in this hub, and in the comments thread.

      First, homosexuality is clearly an abomination, and brings the wrath of God. Scripture plainly warns that those who hang around with wicked men become wicked themselves. We are also told that speaking in agreement with sin makes the speaker co-guilty, as does silently standing by while sin goes on.

      Will homosexuals enter Heaven? There are many arguments about what is said in the middle of the Bible, so let us skip to the end:

      Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

      In the NIV, the word "abominable" is translated as "sexually immoral". This then includes homosexuals, adulterers, NAMBLA, and those who practice bestiality.

      Here is the warning I have for those who think they can support homosexuality: Your problem is, you don't read the scriptures. If you did, you would know this is wrong.

      Voted down, of course.

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Thanks, Gail! You are right, we shouldn't judge. I cannot understand people who are mean to others for any reason. I appreciate your comment.

      Thank you for dropping by! :-)

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      Gail Louise Stevenson 5 years ago from Mason City

      I agree with you, too. I agree that Christ's love is unconditional. I believe that all people should be treated right and with respect. People who are nasty and judgemental, should never be judging anyone ever. Really great hub! I voted Up.^^^

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Joshua, I agree. Thanks for dropping by! :-)

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      Levi Joshua Kell 5 years ago from Arizona

      Just because a human being thinks God is a certain way; this does not make Him become what humans think.

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      We all have our demons to deal with. Everyone deserves a chance to know Christ. We will have to agree to disagree on your harsh words about homosexuals being sick in the head and heart. There are many people who are good people who simply don't believe in Him. Maybe it is because they were treated with harsh words and judgment. No, there is nothing you can add that has not already been said before. I hope you actually read the hub - it was about Christ's unconditional love and our commission to share it, even with homosexuals.

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      Shiningstar4u2c 5 years ago from Hilton Head Island

      Wow! I am sure whatever I could say has already been said in one way or another. I know Sodomy is a Sin and is a filthy low down degrading perverted way of life. God burned two huge cities because of this very thing and those cities were in the millions of people. it is also said in Pauls writings that it is an abomination and also a sign from God of the last days. Good common sense tells you it is wrong and those people are very sick in their heads and hearts and a demon from hell has them bound and only in Christ can they be delivered! I will speak no more of it as I have said my peace.

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      As children of God, we always grow. Like our own children, each is different with different gifts. I have always practiced love and tolerance, but I do believe Christ when He said, "Narrow is the way" -- meaning that we each must believe in Him. God gave us free will and a few commandments and one requirement - to believe in His Son(everything will fall in place if we do as God asks, which is my faith). I will not budge on that one. If people believe I am narrow-minded, so be it. I want to please God, not the masses. :-) Interesting discussion with you. Take care!

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      Steve Essary 5 years ago from Johnston City, Illinois

      I understand being "grounded" but until we are like God (who doesn't change) we must be willing to at least EXAMINE new ideas!!! I won't push the issue because I LOVE the fact that you are at least striving towards Love and Acceptance... But I will tell you (coming from a former traditional Christian) there is more to the story!!! Again... excellent blog!!!

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Freemarketingnow, I said that the Commandments and Christ never spoke against homosexuality, except Christ did say the Sodomites (homosexuals) have a better chance of going to Heaven than the Pharisees (people who judge) do. To me, that says we should give unconditional love and not judge, which is the main idea throughout the hub. If we stay in sin and reject Christ, we will not go to Heaven. All of us fall short and sin, even as Christians. We should not set ourselves up for sin, but our commission from Christ is to spread the Good News, not tell a person, "You have no hope. You are going to hell." Who would want to follow us in our love for Christ if that is how we handled other people who were unbelievers? Many homosexuals face this judgment everyday. They want nothing to do with Christianity. I believe that it is wrong to judge and a shame for those on the receiving end who are not able to understand the joy we have in Christ.

      Once homosexuals comes to Christ, they may minister to others that a straight Christian could not get close to. I leave it to God to change them if that is His will, but that is beyond my power. I just want them to know the love of Christ and let the Spirit move them to do what is God's destiny for them.

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      freemarketingnow 5 years ago from California

      We shouldn't hate murderers. Just because a person sins doesn't mean we don't love them. Jesus spent a lot of time with the marginalized and low life of society. That said, murder is wrong. I think homosexuality is defined in the Bible as a sin. As for the Bible not saying anything about that, I'm just not sure if you're reading the same Bible.

      1 Corinthians 16:9-10

      9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      @ ithabise, yes, it is. LOL

      @ Steve, thank you for your comment and offer. I am pretty grounded in what I believe. While I do believe Christ came to save the world, it is an individual decision to accept Christ. The world is not saved unless the people accept Christ. I believe in hell and that Satan is real. I read the Bible understanding parts are literal and parts are symbolic (the parables). So, I guess I am narrow-minded in my beliefs, but it works for me. :-)

      @ Shalah, thank you. :-)

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      Shalah Chayil 5 years ago from Billings, Montana

      Sholland, Thank you for opening this dialogue. Yeshua gave His life to redeem us from the power of sin! It is not about a religion, but about developing close, and intimate relationship with our Redeemer King and true Father, "God" in the Spirit that affects our souls and entire beings. Life is in the Spirit.

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      Steve Essary 5 years ago from Johnston City, Illinois

      Have you ever considered the possiblity that Jesus has already "saved" the World and that what the Bible means by "salvation" is simply the understanding of what Jesus already did? and that the "torture" of hell is simply a metaphor for the torture of trying to get to God by our own works of obedience to the Law... the IMPOSSIBLE law... I would love to recommend a book to you, but I wrote it, so I won't spam the title on your blog without your permission to do so... :)

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      Michael S. 5 years ago from Winston-Salem, NC

      Sholland, this is a hot hub! (lol)

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Steve, I do think we should love one another no matter what. I also believe Christian behavior should draw people to the faith, rather than turn them away. I do believe God gave us free will and the power to either choose Christ or not. In this day and age, I fear for those who do not choose Him, and hope Christians are reaching as many as possible so we can experience eternity.

      Thanks for your comment. :-)

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      Steve Essary 5 years ago from Johnston City, Illinois

      Excellent blog!!!

      I used to subscribe to traditional Christian teaching and I looked down on homosexuals and was convinced that they would burn in Hell just as a lot of people. I now see the message of Jesus in a whole new way.

      Whether or not homosexuality is a sin is irrelevant!!! The point of the Law (which defines sin) is that we ALL fall short!!! This Law wasn't written for us to live UP to at all!!! How can I say that??? Because it is IMPOSSIBLE!!! Many try, but ALL fail!!! The Law is merely a stumbling block for the self-righteous because you simply CANNOT point at someone and accuse them of being a sinner when you still break the Law EVERY DAY!!!

      The message of Jesus is simple!!! God loves us ALL and sent Jesus to take upon Himself our punishment!!! The end result is the redemption of the World!!! God reconciled the world to Himself by forgiving us ALL of our shortcomings!!!

      "But only for those who ask!!!", I can hear someone thinking!!!

      I no longer agree!!!

      According to Jesus in Matthew 5, we are to 1. turn the other cheek (ultimate instantaneous forgiveness) 2. Love our enemies 3. Bless those who curse us 4. Greet EVERYONE the SAME!!! 5. Forgive EVERYONE NO MATTER WHAT!!! and He finishes the chapter by saying 6. Be perfect like God

      This tells me that we do not understand God at all!!! Why would God ask us to forgive everyone if He only forgives those who ask? Why would He say Love our enemies if He burns His? Why would He say for us to Bless those who curse us if He burns those who curse Him? and why would He say "turn the other cheek" if He doesn't do the same???

      Jesus didn't die for the recognition and I now believe that God is secure enough in His Godliness to Love and ACCEPT EVERYONE even if He gets NOTHING in return!!!

      The Bible is a message about God's Love for us!!! It is NOT an instruction manual to show us How God would prefer we Love Him!!!

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Shalah, I apologize for not getting back to you sooner. We have had a death in our family, and I have not been able to respond to all the comments.

      Please reread the hub. It is about Christ's unconditional love, and it does say we all sin and fall short of the Glory of God.

      You speak freely of knowing what God did or did not do. I would not feel worthy to put myself in His "shoes." He loves all of us and sees us for what we are.

      We need to show the Fruits of the Spirit to everyone. God will take care of whatever changes He wants to make in each of us who allow Him in. I am saying we should not be a stumbling block to anyone by turning them away from Christ with our human judgments.

      Thank you for your comments, but I do feel you need to reread the hub. It seems that all you saw was "homosexuality," but you did not see anything else surrounding the situation. Would you have reacted the same if I had written about helping a promiscuous young girl? There are sins in every person. Christ's love must shine through us - that is our commission. It is up to Him to change the person, but it may or may not happen in the way we would think because we are not God. We do not know what purpose or plan He has in mind for each of us. Life lessons are learned through hardships. Take Care.

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      Shalah Chayil 5 years ago from Billings, Montana

      Shalom Sholland10,

      Are you saying that we as believers in Yeshua (Jesus) are called to support homosexuals' rights to be homosexual. I think that is the true question because when you say love and accept all parts of the person, that is what I hear.

      And that is NOT what Yeshua means by love.

      Homosexuality is a sin. Sin means to miss the mark. All have sinned (missed the mark) and fallen short of the glory of God. However, we are admonished in scripture to not give ourselves over to sin.

      A person may be in bondage to sin and need a lot of extra prayer and even fasting to be set free. And if a person is not imaging the Father rightly, needs to seek to KNOW Him as He truly is.

      To support someone in their sin, is a perversion of the true gospel of healing and deliverance. All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of our YAH (God)/ Creator.

      When we have unmet needs, a lack of affirmation of who we truly are (God did NOT make anyone homosexual--living in a corrupted world distorts our views of God, self and others) we seek affirmation in the wrong ways and wrong places. NO, we cannot change others. And yes, we must give unconditional love, not based on a person's behavior. (But impossible unless the power of the Spirit is truly alive within.) But we MUST also pray that that same Spirit will illumine their darkness, reveal the truth to them, heal the soul wounds that cause anyone to seek solace in anything or anyone less than the ONE TRUE YAHVEH!

      Speaking the truth in love is more difficult than affirming one in their sin. My son knows I do not approve of his choice of lifestyle. Ephes. says Your were once darkness, but are now children of light. This shows that we were NOT made the way we "are" by God, but are called to be transformed by the renewing of our minds in HIS word. Romans 12: 1, 2

      The church seeks to make us comfortable in our condition. But God calls us to come up higher and closer to HIM, and when we do, He exposes our sin (where we are missing the mark) and when we confess our sin to HIM), He is faithful and just to forgive us and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. I John 1:9

      It is and it isn't really 'hard' to be a Christian. It is unless you truly seek to KNOW the Living God as Father and know that HE shields you from all attacks when you truly surrender completely to HIM, and HE possesses your heart. But if you're merely trying to be a nominal Christian and go with the flow, they it is hard.

      Yeshua is our comfort, our true Peace, our Joy, and our soon coming Redeemer KING! He is a healer and a deliverer. What does He deliver from? False and erroneous beliefs and bondage and slavery to the sins or lusts of the flesh and of the mind and emotions. And that is what those that are bound by lusting after others of the same sex are bound. Yeshua came to set us all free from our sins, not to make us comfy cozy in them. It is a great lie and deception perpetrated by the enemy wanting to steal the real Blessings the Father has prepared for them. Eye has not seen nor ear heard what the Father has prepared for them that love (cling to, pursue after, obey) Him.

      They that sow to the flesh (fornication, adultery, homosexuality, gluttony etc) shall of the flesh reap corruption or destruction (it's a consequence, and a natural law of sowing and reaping)

      They that sow to the Spirit shall reap the rewards of EVERLASTING LIFE of truly knowing the Father, His love, His protection, healing grace and mercy and deliverance from self imposed imprisonment to corrupted desires. IT is not their fault that this bondage came on them! But in no way did the Creator make homosexuals desire the same sex. it is contrary to all His teachings and instructions. HE does not condemn us for our missing the mark, but HE will deliver when we go to Him with all our hearts.

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      Shalah Chayil 5 years ago from Billings, Montana

      Shalom Sholland10,

      Great grace and peace be to you from OUR KING and only Master, Yeshua HA MAshiach. Have you never read I Corinthians 5: 11 and II Thessalonians 3: 14?

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Thank you, Keri. You and I are on the same page. Christ's unconditional love is an important topic. He never said, "Love others, except 'this group or these groups of people'." Even if you do not approve of a part of a person's identity, we should be cognizant of the many of facets of the person. If you cannot do that, you should remember that Christ told us to love our enemies, too. (All "you" comments are for the general "you.")

      Thank you for dropping by, commenting, and voting. :-)

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      Keri Summers 5 years ago from West of England

      I don't think I've ever seen so many comments on a Hub! Congrats on getting people talking about a really important subject - acceptance is so important, and to think that anyone would be rejected by their own family and/or community for just being who they are (or as you rightly point out, for just one aspect of their identity) is heartbreaking. Up & awesome.

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Shalah, thank you for sharing your testimony. :-) I cannot really add to it. I can only tell you what you already know about your son - he is much more than his sexual orientation. Pray for him and love him, just like you would any of your other children. Being gay is not an easy life, and neither is being a Christian. The important thing is that he keep his faith and see unconditional love from you. God will guide him. There is a plan for each of us, and God is in control. Many people try to "change" gays, which causes them to rebel against God and faith in Christ. That is exactly what we do not want. Thanks for dropping by! :-)

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      Shalah Chayil 5 years ago from Billings, Montana

      Shalom Sholland10 and those who may read:

      Please let me share my testimony very briefly. I am a child of the LIVING "GOD" I now prefer to call Father, Elohim, ElShaddai or another 'name' that to me depicts the character I am coming to understand HE IS revealing to me.

      During childhood I was indoctrinated with Roman (Catholic) beliefs and then it was if you dare enter the doors of another church you will go to hell. Because my parents did not know the love of our Father, they also did not know how to give their frustrations up to HIM and instead took them out on their children of whom I am the oldest of four girls. This caused me to develop a self hatred and depression.

      This caused me to fall prey to a male that knew how to recognize and seduce very lonely deeply hurting women and use them for his own sense of manliness. What has all this to do with the subject at hand?

      My image of a father was of an absent, weak yet cruel and angry judge I could not please---this made me susceptible to being seduced. My view of "God" was obsucred, screwed up to say the very least. I was in bondage to this sexual entanglement for many, many years even after I came to Christ and began my journey as a "Christian."

      NOW I know our Father as a truly forgiving, loving, patient, long-suffering, kind, but NOT indulgent Father WHO healed all my hurts, delivered me from the sexual bondage (the emotional bonds created with another terribly insecure and deeply lonely emotionally cut-off from himself person).

      A person that has a strong desire for relationship with the same sex is cut off from their own self and from either the masculine or feminine in themselves and is looking for the missing part of himself or herself that ONLY the Father is able to restore them to when they come to see within themselves that image more clearly.

      I was so attracted to and in desperate need of the tender affections this man used to attract and seduce me that I could not see within myself because it had never had the chance to develop. God has since reconnected me to develop that part of me that never had the chance during childhood.

      I have a son who is the most wonderful son for me. He is convinced that he is more attracted to males than to females and he is searching for the father his father never was and also for that part in him--the masculine part that he never had modeled correctly for him.

      As far as the young man you speak about--when he begins to see himself in the Father's eyes and develops the 'lost' part of himself, he will no long be strongly attracted to males to 'feel a false sense of wholeness' he doesn't 'feel' now. I believe that is a word from our Father in heaven for him. I have not written this post lightly but have prayed over it and will be praying for our Father, by HIS Spirit and HIS Blood to heal the young man and bring forth HIS IMAGE in him in TRUTH.

      Your perspective is beautifully expressed and we do need to learn to give unconditional love and let 'God' heal, restore and bring souls to HIM through us. FIRST we have to come to KNOW Father's unconditional love for ourselves and that is impossible in 'religious settings'

      I found HIS love on my face crying out to HIM to heal me, to restore me, and to reveal HIMSELF TO me as HE TRULY IS. Thank you for your insights. Apparently you have also come to KNOW His love and long-suffering toward yourself and how sinful you were as we all are. The closer one get to GOD, the more HE reveals of our own unrighteousness so WE ARE ABLE TO CONFESS OUR SINS TO HIM and be cleansed. Then we will see Him and others much more clearly and be able to give away what we HAVE.

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Thanks, Mom's Secret! Thanks for dropping by and reading. :-)

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      Lissette 5 years ago from Central Florida

      excellent...

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Indigital, I hope it is the Love of Christ working through me, rather than my own choosing. It's all about Christ's unconditional love, and some people in much earlier comments turned it into a way to bash homosexuality and missed the point of the hub. I believe in the Bible literally and symbolically. Two things I know with certainty from the Bible are the Golden Rule of LOVE one another and the warning to judge not lest ye be judged - both came from Christ. :-) I appreciate your comments! :-)

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Cheatlierepeat, I am sure you did get a lot of negative input on your hub. I am fine with agreeing to disagree, but I want people to stick to the subject rather than going on a tangent. I bet you saw a lot of tangents, too. I was new to HP when I published this, and I didn't delete some that I should have. I only hope that I handled it well. That is all we can do. The Bible says hating ones brother is the same as murder - I believe that. People just don't know what they do when they sling the word "hate" around. Good luck with your hub. Stay on topic and delete those who don't (that was my lesson learned on this one). I appreciate your comments. :-)

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Hi Jennifer, I do believe the Bible to be God-inspired, but I also see those who feel it is their "duty" to put themselves in the place of God. I do not believe that way. My hub was meant to be about Christ's unconditional love through us and how some don't get it. Some people have posted pure judgment. I think we can say what is right or wrong, but I do not believe that gives us the right to say who is saved or condemned. Only God knows that. I appreciate you dropping by and commenting. :-)

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Thank you, Lord de Cross! Yes, the Truth will set us free. I believe in being Christ-like, and my Jesus loves all. :-)

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Thank You, SJ! Yes, the Pharisees were the ones Christ judged and still will. I do believe we will be surprised when we get to Heaven. The Bible states that, and Christ said He would say, "I do not know you." That would be horrible.

      Thanks for the votes. :-)

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      LindaSmith1, yes, I agree. Christ taught unconditional love. I am thankful for that Grace. :-)

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      Indigital 5 years ago

      I'm glad you're one of the few that are not completely against anything that isn't written in Bible. We need more people like you, who can choose their religion but also use common sense once in a while to find the solution.

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      cheatlierepeat 5 years ago from Canada

      I wrote a hub on the situation between One Million Moms and Ellen DeGeneres, I received countless emails calling me a sinner and other unmentionables for supporting Ellen and her perverted lifestyle. I have had to delete several comments on the actual hub itself and believe I only left a few opinions remaining.

      I'm straight but I dont look at anyone any differently because of whom they choose to love. It's sad that people still think this way, maybe not so much that they think it, but how they choose to mask love and morals by spewing so much hatred.

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      Jennifer Essary 5 years ago from Idaho

      I think a lot of the judgement stems from lack of education about the human body. So many people assume homosexuality is a choice although scientific evidence proves otherwise. If a person can be born with an extra finger or missing an arm why can't people make the leap to understand brain chemistry. We've all witnessed women go through hormonal fluctuations and kids go through the teenage years and the affects it has on their personality. If a person isn't getting the right chemicals in the right places at the right time it is normal to be homosexual. In the end I don't believe there is a God out there who would teach people to look down upon others and judge them. Sadly there are Christians who do so I think they should question their teaching. There are nearly 27,000 forms of Christianity in the world based upon one book. It is man's interpretation of the book not God's will.

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      Joseph De Cross 5 years ago

      Surely, you will get polarized and antagonism from commenters, but the true will set you..free! I have friends from all sexual status and all I can say is that we all are human beings. Thanks for putting this hub together Susan..!

      LORD

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      SJmorningsun25 5 years ago

      sholland10: This is a beautiful Hub. I was going to read through all the comments, but I'd still be here tomorrow! :-) Thank you for being brave enough to write this article, despite some of the less-than-loving comments. I think there are many people in the so-called "church" today who will be very surprised at who we will see in heaven, having spent all their earthly energy on judging others instead of loving them. Jesus judged the judges much more harshly than he ever did the sinners--we should take that example! God bless you for your difficult, but important, stand. Voted up and all but funny. Thanks for sharing!

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      LindaSmith1 5 years ago from USA

      I should remind the good Christians who quickly use scripture to back up beliefs, another line from Christ himself: He who is without sin, cast the first stone.

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Thanks for sharing it Ithabise. An interesting article! :-)

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      Michael S. 5 years ago from Winston-Salem, NC

      Sholland, whenever you get some free time I encourage you to read this link start-to-finish. It is eye-opening (even the comments) and very relevant to your article: http://www.challies.com/book-reviews/the-struggles...

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Yes, Alocsin, I believe it is possible, too. So many people don't want to see the plank in their own eye when they are pointing out a speck in another's.

      Thanks for taking the time to read, and thanks for the votes. :-)

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      Veronica Roberts 5 years ago from Ohio, USA

      Great! I'm so glad to hear that! =]

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      American View, the problem I had with some of the comments was the people who made them missed the point of the hub, which is Christians need to show unconditional love as Christ did. I had a hard time getting through some of the comments. One guy commented months later to direct me to another hub. He wanted me to say he was right. That seemed to be all he cared about - not the Christian message that was being sent through the hub. His way was judgment, and I leave that to God. It is one thing to say what is right and wrong, but quite another to judge.

      Thanks so much for taking the time to read. I hope your ill-wishing commentators are able to stick with the topic and get off their high horse. :-)

      @Veronica - I forgot to tell you the young man has gone on to be quite the success. I am very happy for him. He still holds onto his Christian beliefs, too. I am so glad his family was supportive. :-)

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Veronica, you aren't ranting. Just saying what you feel. Your comment goes along with what the hub was trying to say. Even if you disagreed with me, it would be okay. I found the judging and speaking out against what Christ said about unconditional love shocking.

      Thanks for taking the time to read the hub. :-)

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      alocsin 5 years ago from Orange County, CA

      Can't believe I haven't seen this before. Wee-thought out writing proving that it is possible to be both Christian and gay-supportive. Voting this Up and Interesting.

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      American View 5 years ago from Plano, Texas

      I will honestly say about half way through the comments I passed on the rest. I do not believe, but you will find no one that has more respect for those who have faith than me. I have 3 problems with religion,I will only speak of one. Just as I have a problem with politicians telling what I can do and not do, I have the same problem with religion. One cannot help what the heart tells them. Love is more than following the teachings of a priest, reverend, or rabbi. People just do not say "oh today I will become gay". It happens just like it did for me. We walk down the street and BAM!! there is the person you want to be with. Intolerance, bashing and other ignorant behavior is just ridiculous, how dare they tell anyone how to live. Tell them how to live and see what happens. Great hub, well presented, well thought out. Up Awesome and across the board.

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      Veronica Roberts 5 years ago from Ohio, USA

      I absolutely agree with you.

      It irks me that Christians seem to be the first to judge when something happens that they do not quite agree with. I say this from my own experience. I don't mean to stereotype, and I don't mean to offend Christians. I was raised Catholic, and believe in God.

      I am going through something similar with my own family. It is difficult to say something that Christians may not want to hear (something that goes against typical beliefs), and then, to feel badly about saying it is another thing. To live in fear of others - to be judged by the ones whom preach love and acceptance - is not what God would want.

      I feel badly for the student in your hub. I hope that he's able to find his comfort zone, and good, solid support. Being isolated helps no one. People should be open to asking questions and trying to understand the situation. The girl whom said that she'd pray for him - I feel as though that's a perfectly suitable response as well - put it in God's hands, not each others. After all, He's the one whose opinion matters in the end, right? =]

      Sorry I ranted a bit. You're a wonderful teacher and woman to care so much! =]

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Hi Mae. I am not even addressing whether homosexuality is right or wrong. I am addressing unconditional love that Christians should show like Christ did. You loved your friend and by doing so, you may have been the only "Jesus" he saw. You may have helped save him. We cannot change people, only God can do that and we can be His instrument. We were commanded to love people even if we don't like what they do.

      I appreciate your comment. Thanks for dropping by.

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      maewallace22 5 years ago

      Satan is very smart and very busy. It seems like homosexuality is the new fad. People say Christian use the bible more or less to there benefit. My thing is either you believe or you don't, there is no in between. We are all sinners , but that doesn't mean we have to practice it and make it a part of our everyday lives. I do know gay people, women and men. A very good friend of mines who passed away a year ago was openly gay. I loved him much and I miss him, but he always knew that I was against gay marriage and homosexuality. If homosexuality had been ok, then wether or not had God created us, we would all have been created the same. Stop trying to turn wrong into right. It is what it is!

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Ithabise, very well stated. We are all sinners. It is up to God to forgive us, which as the Ultimate Parent, He loves and forgives us. Christ came to save, not condemn. He did say upon His return, He would come back to judge. I hope I am able to show Him that I did follow His commandment to give unconditional love in the form of compassion to others. You might be surprised to know that some of the most strict ministers who have preached against homosexuals (and other sins) are starting to say, "Love those who do things you loathe because Christ does." I have been shocked to hear that at times, but I am glad it is being said. Thank you so much for your well-thought-out comment. And to you I say the same. Continue ministering God's healing grace. Now is not the time for Christians to be scaring others away or making others so angry they do not want to see the Truth. Take care!

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      Michael S. 5 years ago from Winston-Salem, NC

      Sholland, I also often find myself going against the current of my fellow Christians on this topic. Sometimes we need to turn the scenario of Jesus being so accepting of others and view it--really see it--as the answer to the question "What made Jesus so inviting to those 'others' no one else cared for?" Something in his person and spiritual character made all the difference in other people.

      I'm of the opinion that being homosexual (I have other thoughts on the term 'gay') may not be a choice. Sexual orientation may not be a choice; sexual behavior IS. Ultimately, what we choose to feed ourselves is the choice. As with any person who attempts to live a Christian life, we must always be swimming against the current of sin, regardless of what that sin is. Only when we embrace it do we truly choose.

      So there may be Christians in a real struggle against all sorts of things, and are; but this is what God's grace is for. God doesn't condemn us for having to struggle. He empowers us to cast the yoke off of us; and that we must do until we see his face. We are condemned only in the sin (for embracing - John 3:18). Remember, Paul spoke to his readers with these words: "And such were some of you" (1 Cor. 6:11)...and I'll add: such still we are.

      A WONDERFUL article so very much needing to be said and heard, from pulpits even. Thank you. Continue ministering God's healing grace.

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      MommyGoneBonkers, it was a wonderful "rambling"!! Thanks so much for giving a complete explanation of what you believe. :-) We do see right and wrong in the world and have a right to say what is right and wrong, but I wanted to be clear in the hub that it is God's ultimate judgment. If a gay person can minister to others with the Spirit leading them, that would be wonderful. Gay people have an uphill struggle with Christianity because so many place themselves as judge. You and I will befriend gays for the people they are inside and love them for who they are and not their sexual orientation. Some Christians will simply write them off, and I think that is wrong.

      Thanks for dropping by, reading, and your great comment!! :-)

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      mommygonebonkers 5 years ago

      I guess I'll throw my 2 cents in on this controversial subject :o)

      I wholeheartedly and completely agree that homosexuals should be treated with respect and love NOT hate.

      I also agree that "gay" and "lesbian" should not define who they are.

      As for is it right or wrong...I still say wrong

      There was one comment in here somewhere, while the tone was spiteful, I do agree with a couple points...

      There have been studies that show pedophilia may be programmed in the genes...are we someday going to accept this because they were born that way? I most certainly hope not!

      I had a very close gay friend and he knew exactly where I stood and where I believe God stands on the matter, but he also knew that God loves him and I love him and it didn't affect my friendship or opinion of him.

      Like you said, we all sin, where he is indulging his homosexual tendencies, I indulge in gossip and lies other sins.

      Should a gay couple be turned away at the church doors, no way! How does that show Christ's love and compassion? Everyone would be turned away, because we all sin.

      I also don't want to downplay the awful struggle to have homosexual tendencies if you don't want them. I don't believe it's a simple "choice", you can't wake up one day and say I don't want to be attracted to him/her anymore...it's a lifelong struggle that only Christ can help with.

      I'll stop rambling now!

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Thank you, Rastamermaid! You are right - we are all human with good and bad. It would be great if we weren't taunted by others, but as you know, there are some people who are not happy unless they are taunting or stirring the pot in order to make "THEIR" point. We have to do what is right. For me, that is trying to love unconditionally as Christ told us to do. :-)

      Thanks for dropping by, reading, commenting and voting! I really appreciate your input! :-)

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      Rastamermaid 5 years ago from Universe

      Great hub,very informative and full of compassion.

      We all have to deal with our own happiness,religions and beliefs.

      I was raised that it takes a man and a woman to make a child,God made it that way for a reason,that's His plan.We all know that same-sex lifestyles can't achieve this ultimate goal.

      Does that mean they shouldn't be happy,be judged,taunted or ridiculed because of it?

      Do we ridcule people about their politcial choices? No,because you know it's their right.

      It's everyone's right to be happy,to love and to be loved.

      It's just their orientation sexually,which last time I checked took place in the bedroom,when I wouldn't be with them anyway. Everything else is pretty much the same.

      We all breathe,bleed,walk,talk,sleep and crap the same.We are all people that want to be loved.

      Voted up!

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Thanks, Chris! I am definitely not one to judge for the exact reason you gave - I have sins of my own. God will judge me and all. I just hope I am doing what He wants by spreading Christ's command to "Love One Another." We also agree that there should be no conditions in our love to others.

      Thanks so much for dropping by, reading, and commenting. I really appreciate what you had to add. :-)

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      I'm just jumping in here,

      My 2 cents is this.....I think God and the Bible is very clear about sexual immorality...clearly wrong. That covers more than gays, but those who cheat on their spouses...

      But, more importantly, as a Christian we must have the fruit of the spirit....being; love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control....

      That leaves NO room for hating or judging.

      I do not condone homosexuality, but I do not have any hatred toward them, NONE.

      I have my OWN sins to worry about, let alone if others are good. God will make those decisions.

      I think you said it best with "“All fall short of the glory of God.” Our youth, and especially, many of our adult population, need to remember that compassion and love do not come with conditions."

      Excellent hub,

      Chris

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Thanks, Jackie! I agree with you. We have our instructions and our map to follow. While all of us have the basic instructions, I believe we each have individual instructions and maps, too.

      Thanks for dropping by, reading, and commenting!! :-)

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      Jackie Lynnley 5 years ago from The Beautiful South

      All we need do is read the word of God to know what Jesus and/or God would do. As Christians we are not the judges, God left instructions and a road map, what we think doesn't really matter. It is what it is.

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Thank you, Sharyn! As a Christian, I am a firm believer in unconditional love and "judge not lest ye be judged." I truly appreciate your kind words and appreciate you taking the time to read the hub and the comments!!

      Susan :-)

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      Sharon Smith 5 years ago from Northeast Ohio USA

      Susan,

      This is an AWESOME hub. I wish many others would read it. It may be a controversial subject but the way you approach it and keep your integrity throughout the many comments is truly inspiring. I've gained even more respect for you my friend!

      Sharyn

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Hi Tricia, yes, it is true that some Christians get it wrong, too. And, I think we should think about the point you made, which is that Christ came to those people who the religious people/Pharisees rejected. Beware the self-righteous and look to the God-righteous. Christ loves unconditionally. It is up to us as to whether we accept or reject Him. It is also up to us as to whether we bring people to Him or push them away. Those who judge are pushing people away from Christ. But Christ's unconditional love never fails to be there for all of us.

      Thanks for dropping by! :-)

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      Tricia Ward 5 years ago from Scotland

      Christians get it wrong too at times. What you have said is good. I went to Uni and a lesbian friend in my class did not tell me for ages about her lifestyle because she had had a "christian" flat mate that cut her off when she had found out.. and was scared stiff I would do the same. God is a God of love and Jesus did not spend lots of time with the religious folk he spent time with the people who were social outcasts and showed them love.

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Hi Dejhoo,

      I do depend upon God's word for what I believe. I appreciate your comments.

      Thanks for dropping by!!

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      dejahoo 5 years ago from Georgetown, TX

      One scripture comes to mind that is at the end of the Bible that everyone should be familiar to help you solve the issue. Remember, these are Christ's own words recorded by John.

      Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

      14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

      15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

      Now, if you know the meaning of dogs in this passage then you have your answer no matter how you personally feel. I know it is a touchy subject, but you have to depend upon God's word for final authority.

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Ytsenoh, you and I feel the same. God has given each of us a purpose. Whether we listen to Him or to our own self rightgeous conscience depends on us because He gave free will too. Thanks so much for reading!!

      Thanks for dropping by!! :-)

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      Cathy 5 years ago from Louisiana, Idaho, Kauai, Nebraska, South Dakota, Missouri

      sholland10, thank you for writing this hub because it addresses an important subject. I believe somewhere in the Bible, it states that God is not a respecter of persons and the way I interpret that phrase is another definition of unconditional love for all. I believe we all interepret the Bible to our own liking. I also believe it's so easy to be judgmental or unkind and takes a very big heart to simply treat everyone the same. As a parent, you want to be a great example for your children, so you teach them to be kind to everyone. I have a lot of friends who are straight, gay, or lesbian and I have learned a lot about the way people judge. Even if you're straight, people can be pretty harsh just by the clothes you wear. I believe that each individual has a set of emotions which are important to him or her. We judge something every day, whether it's ourselves, bad traffic, bad weather, bad days, or other people. Remember the kindergarten lesson, "if you can't say something nice, don't say it at all." Thumbs up on your hub.

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Hi Hillbilly Zen, I do understand how you feel about those Christians who judge, but do not let them keep you away from the much higher mission of Christ. There are many good churches out there, and there are always going to be people we do not agree with. Keep your faith and know God loves all of us; we need to only accept His Son. :-)

      Thanks for dropping by!

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      Hillbilly Zen 5 years ago from Kentucky

      Ms. sholland - churchgoers like PlanksandNails are the reason people like me don't go to church. True Christians like you are the reason we continue to hope that someday we will.

      Voted up and awesome.

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Thanks, Hush! All I know is that Christ came because God loves all of us without condition.

      Thanks for dropping by!

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      hush4444 5 years ago from Hawaii

      I really admire you for writing this hub. I cannot believe we Americans are still having an argument about whether everyone is equal. Thank you for shedding light on the subject from a Christian point of view.

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Thanks, PDXKaraoke! My blog is only my hub links, but I will be more than happy to share your blog link on Tumblr, Reddit (if they let me on), StumbleUpon, and Digg. :-) I will go to your profile and check out your blog. I am humbled that you feel inspired by something I have written. Thank you!

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      Justin W Price 5 years ago from Juneau, Alaska

      Of course, Susan.

      You've inspired me. I'm going to blog about this on my other blog and link back to this one. Maybe we could crosslink each other?

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      Apryl Schwarz 5 years ago from Nebraska

      Work in progress, as are we all. :)

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Apryl, thanks for commenting. I think we each have a purpose, and as far as "getting it right," I am definitely a work in progress. LOL I doubt I will ever get it right, but I know Christ loves me anyway. His unconditional love is not a reason for me to go wild, but it is a great comfort. :-)

      Thanks for dropping by!

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      PDXKaraoke, thanks for your thoughtful response. I feel that in order for others to see the Jesus in us that we should try to love unconditionally - gay, straight, liberal, conservative, etc. We all live with sin in our lives, but it is up to God to judge us. If we see someone doing something wrong, we should speak up. I think we should try to get to know each other in order to help rather than condemn (condemning is not in our job description from God). I will watch your video - thanks for sharing it with me. I have another hub with a video of Kathy Troccoli singing "Love One Another" that I think captures the Jesus-like love we are supposed to be sharing with the world.

      Thanks for dropping by!! I appreciate your thoughts and comments on this important subject.

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      Apryl Schwarz 5 years ago from Nebraska

      So amazing. You captured my own beliefs and opinions in this hub exactly. In the end, the only thing that we are called to do as Christians is LOVE. Not judge, not condemn, just love a person how they need it. I think there are many other Christians that are moving towards this philosophy, but like everything it will take time for us to get it right.

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      Justin W Price 5 years ago from Juneau, Alaska

      What a great hub. Up and shared.

      Growing up in a Christian home, this is an issue I struggled with. Before my parents divorced, my mom taught me that homosexuality as the gravest sin one could commit. After my parents divorce3d, my mom taught me that divorce was the gravest sin that man could commit. Needless to, her interpretations of what is sinful and what is not sinful lost much, if not all of the credibility with me.

      here's what i think. The Bible does list homosexuality as a sexual sin. Okay. it lists lots of things s sin. Jesus also commanded us to love one another and not to judge and to take the plank out of our own eyes before we took the log out of someone else's. While exhortation is taught in the Bible, it is never to be done with an arrogant, holier than thou attitude but, rather, one of love and with the intent to help the other person.

      My sister in law is a lesbian. She is married to another woman and they have two beautiful children together. They both grew up in the church, but no longer go because the church shuns their lifestyle. This makes me sad. I've been shunned at church because of my tattoos. Church is for everyone. Jesus spent most of His time on earth with sinners and condemning the "righteous".

      A year or so ago,I used the following for my facebook status: "I love living in the city with all my liberal, Jewish, Christian, gay, muslim, athiestic and transgender friend." One of my former friends, a girl from high school who is also dumber than a box of hammers (not because of this statement, though the statement that follows is certainly one bred from ignorance." said, and I quote directly here. "How can you live with such sinners and libtards?"

      wow. She was not only asking how I, as a Christian could allow myself to be friends with people who weren't Christians, she was also equating liberalism with mental retardation. Really loving. Totally what Jesus would do. She is what is wrong with church and Christianity. She si the reason that those who are not Christians look at the church and view us as judgemental, ignorant, rubes.

      It made me furious, aided, of course, by the fact that I have a mentally challenged nephew.

      I loved this HUB. Thanks so much for sharing it.

      I’m going to close by linking a couple of songs by Christian artists who address this very issue. I’ve included some of the lyrics below:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9cdbFVk2dU

      “he wants to know about Jesus/He came here with a friend/he’s been gay since he was thirteen and he hopes they’ll understand/ people talk about him/they say can’t you see your sin/He came here to worship Jesus/not be condemned/You better find some love/or you’re never gonna see him again”

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      I will do what I feel God is convicting me to do. I cannot answer for other Christians, but I know there are many out there doing good things and loving others the way Christ commanded. He will return to judge. I will leave it to Him. :-)

      Take Care!

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      Steve Orion 5 years ago from Tampa, Florida

      Good philosophy to live by! Just saying that the beliefs you hold, meaning the opinions you just expressed, are a sort of dissension from the general Christian faith. Many Christians aren't of the mindset to accept, or at least not cast out, anyone of a different view or lifestyle. Not enough Christians like you! If you are going to hold religious beliefs, at least you shouldn't cast judgement on others.

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      Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      Hi Steve, my point in writing the hub was to say Christ loves all of us - He was hanging out with the tax collectors and prostitutes and probably homosexuals when He came to earth. He loved unconditionally without judgment. It is not about acceptance, but it is against judgment. I may agree to disagree with you ("you" in general sense), but I don't think you are damned to hell because I disagree. By disagreeing I am showing disapproval but not turning my back, especially if kindess and love are needed. I believe that all of us should try to live Christ-like lives, but there are going to be people like the thief on the cross. People have until their last breath to accept Christ. I think that is amazing. Thanks for dropping by and commenting! :-)

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      Steve Orion 5 years ago from Tampa, Florida

      Interesting to see that so many Christians seems to pick and choose which parts of their religion to follow. "Well, I'm Christian but I'm ok with gays and science and people of other faith. I just disagree with them is all." A strange sort of tolerance in some cases, like a racist being ok with blacks that have a certain characteristic. No criticism to the author, just an observation. Good Hub and voted up!