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Understanding Men: An In-Depth Look At The Male Species

Updated on July 2, 2012
The development of a man begins at an early age
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To the millions of women out there who are shaking their heads in confusion because of something their husband or boyfriend has recently done, I feel your pain. I’m a man and there are times I simply do not understand what makes a man tick. In truth there are times I don’t know what makes me tick, so how can a woman ever hope to solve the mystery that is the male species?

It would be so easy to stereotype men, to label their behavior as childish, uncaring and boorish; easy, perhaps, but in no way justified. Men are every bit as complicated as women and truth be told, quite often they are misunderstood.

What follows are my observations about my fellow man and, by extension, my observations about me. I have no psychological degree nor do I have a behavioral science background. I only have sixty-three years of observations and a lifetime of experiences to draw upon when offering this simple explanation of a complex topic.

If you find this helpful then I am happy. If you are a man and you find it insulting, you are entitled to your opinion. There will always be men who do not fit into a packaged description about the entire species, just as there are women who do not fit any categorization. I do believe, however, that these observations are accurate for a great proportion of the male population.

With that introduction out of the way, let us now take a look at the male culture and see if we can’t gain a better understanding of it.

THE FATHER FIGURE

There is simply no way to deny the effect our fathers have on us as we grow up. The single biggest influence on a male at an early age is his father. What we observe is oftentimes what we become. It is entirely possible to change course as we mature, but the early path that we travel is heavily influenced by our fathers.

My father had two emotions: happiness and anger. My father was generous to a fault, loyal beyond the norm, and the funniest, and angriest, man I have ever known. There was nothing subtle about my dad; what you saw is what you got. If he liked you then you could do no wrong; if he didn’t like you then you would be well-advised to get out of his way when you saw him coming. He would demand respect and fight for it when necessary.

I grew up that way, in many ways a mirror image of my dad even though we did not share DNA. My mother was the softening agent in my life, the voice of reason and a calming influence, but without a doubt my dad was the primary source of development for me.

Conversely, growing up without a father figure produces a whole new set of challenges. The void is practically impossible to fill by a woman no matter how dedicated she is to the task. An important balance is lost when the father figure is missing from a young life.

Changing these learned behaviors is a challenging undertaking and one it took me decades to accomplish. I suspect that is true for many men.

COMMUNICATION

Despite opinions to the contrary, men do communicate. Many times what we do not say is so much more important than what we do say. If that makes no sense to you then you really need to hang out with a man more often.

The description of man as the “strong, silent type,” is a fairly apt description. It seems to be hardwired into our brain although it has been my observation that the new generations are much more open with their communication.

I grew up understanding that a man did not share his feelings; we just dealt with whatever life had to offer. We asked for no counsel and gave counsel only when asked to do so. Is that an unhealthy approach in a relationship? Most likely, yes! There is no way for a partner to understand if the other partner is not communicating.

Men are not open, inviting books. Their cover must be pried off and read page by page. When the book is finished then it needs to be read again….and again. When you are done with that you need to read between the lines looking for that which was not spelled out. It oftentimes is an exhausting process. Is it worth the effort? Only you can answer that question.

Do men tell lies to cover up past behavior? Of course, but I have known women who are proficient liars in their own right. More often than not a man does not so much lie as he does fail to disclose pertinent facts. There is, I believe, an explanation for this. I believe, and this is solely my belief, that men resist full disclosure because they do not want to be subjected to judgment. It is easier to take the silent route and leave people guessing than it is to open oneself up for scrutiny and debate. I also believe that men tend to hold things close to the proverbial vest so as not to show weakness.

The need for clear communication is very real but remember, we are dealing with societal expectations that have been handed down from generation to generation and that is a sticky wicket for sure. Many men that I know will say that they don’t understand what women are trying to say, that it is so watered-down with second and third meanings that it is like navigating a maze in pitch darkness.

The solution, of course, is to find some middle ground. The successful couples manage to do exactly that; over time they establish a form of communication that satisfies both parties and works remarkably well.

MALE POSTURING

From the earliest interaction with other male children, a man is constantly trying to establish himself on the societal ladder. It is Darwinism at its most basic level, survival of the fittest, or King of the Mountain if you prefer. Who is the most dominant on the school playground? Who is the most dominant in sports? Who is the most dominant in school and then the workplace? It is a constant game of show me yours, I’ll show you mine and I’ll bet mine is bigger than yours….and it is exhausting!

It not only manifests itself when males deal with other males but it is also very apparent in male interaction with women. For centuries the mating ritual has included the male puffing up his chest and showing his magnificent plumage, all in hopes of winning the heart of the desired maiden.

Remember, this begins at a very early age, and continues unabated for decades afterwards. It is a rare man who feels no need for such displays of dominance or superiority. Those men are secure enough in who they are that they find such games unnecessary and a waste of time. Find one of those men and you have found a rare gem.

ADD IT ALL TOGETHER AND WHAT DO YOU HAVE?

When trying to characterize a species that consists of almost four billion members, the task is not only monumental but foolhardy on the best of days. There is no “typical” male, but there are characteristics that seem to be common in a great number of men. Women will shake their heads when a man apparently would rather get lost than ask for directions. A man will steadfastly deny any need for directions, all the while instinctively abhorring the need to ask for directions because it will make him appear incapable.

A woman will lie awake at night wondering why her husband will not share his feelings while the husband sees no need to share his feelings, viewing those feelings as a sign of weakness.

And so it goes! The Mars vs. Venus debate has been going on unabated for centuries and will continue to do so, simply because there is a very real difference between the sexes. The truly successful couples find a way to bridge this gap and in fact strengthen their bond in doing so.

Can change occur in men? Of course it can and it has in millions of men over the centuries, but like all change it takes willingness, understanding and hard work. It is entirely possible to put away the play things and attitudes of a child and find freedom from the constraints that bind most men. Feeling secure in who they are is a monumental first step. Having that safe place within themselves, free of expectations and judgments, is incredibly liberating.

In a very real sense men have been programmed over the years to act exactly how they act; the same can be said for women. Like all programming, it can be changed, but there needs to be a desire for change or it will not happen.

The common misconception is that men are a much-simpler life form than women. I think men are every bit as complex as women and in many ways much more difficult to understand. Like any great puzzle, solving it brings wonderful rewards.

2012 William D. Holland (aka billybuc)

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      Murphy 4 years ago from Chicagoland, Illinois

      Interesting topic... *grins*

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      Terrye Toombs 4 years ago from Somewhere between Heaven and Hell without a road map.

      I find that physically threatening the males in my life brings about instant communication. :) Great information, Bill, totally enjoyed and VUMS. :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Critical, interesting on any given day. :) Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      TT, an excellent approach! Fear will change the most stubborn of men. :) Thanks Sis!

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      Terrye Toombs 4 years ago from Somewhere between Heaven and Hell without a road map.

      lol! Anything to help my big bro! :)

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      Jennifer Vasconcelos 4 years ago from Cyberspace and My Own World

      Thanks for this intriguing look into common male characteristics. I think you have helped shed some much needed light on the topic.

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      kelleyward 4 years ago

      Since I'm in a majority male household this is very useful information for me! I especially witness what you described as male posturing. I see my boys doing this everyday. Who is the fastest, I'm bigger, I'm taller, I'm older etc. Voted up and useful! Kelley

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      TT, you keep me on my toes! LOL

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jlava, if it helped I'm glad. Thank you my friend; always nice to see you drop by.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Kelley; I can only imagine being around that many men! You have my admiration! LOL

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      Jools99 4 years ago from North-East UK

      I like your point about communicating - what you don't say is as important as what you do but I need it kept simple :o) Vive La Difference!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Without a doubt communication is the key....a talent very few people really, truly have. Thank you for the quick visit; the ink isn't even dry on the hub and here you are. :)

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      Natasha 4 years ago from Hawaii

      I agree, it is a stereotype that women are more complex, but men might be the truly more complex ones because they seem like they aren't! If that makes any sense. In today's world, it's probably even more difficult. Will he be the traditional, as you mentioned, strong and silent type? Will he get on the metrosexual bandwagon? A woman can be flippin' crazy for a day, and society will forgive her, but a man can't.

      Anyway, great hub! Thanks for sharing your insights. Most man advice articles online seem to be from a woman's point of view and I don't know how valid they are, as a result!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Natasha, your last point is an interesting one...how valid can they be? They may be based on studies but they still lack perspective. Anyway, thank you very much; always nice to see you.

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      jellygator 4 years ago from USA

      I love men. Heck, I've studied 'em for decades! I love what you said: "Many times what we do not say is so much more important than what we do say." Such truth to that!

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      Mary Craig 4 years ago from New York

      Gee Bill, you know a lot about men ;) There are methods of withholding that will get a man's attention as well...

      Men are more difficult to understand because they keep things to themselves while most women are like an open book!

      Voted up, useful, and interesting.

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      Joshua Zerbini 4 years ago from Pennsylvania

      This was excellent Bill, you hit us dead on! I enjoyed your last section when you explained that we are also difficult to understand, I have always thought that as well. Great job, voted up, and more and sharing!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jelly, thanks for visiting. I'm glad you enjoyed my little study of men. We are interesting creatures.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mary, there is truth in what you say; it's an interesting dynamic and I really have no trouble understanding why there are so many divorces. Thank you my friend and have a great day...stay cool!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks nephew! We are fairly interesting although most of the time rather annoying. :)

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      Russ Moran 4 years ago from Long Island, New York

      Excellent Hub Bill. There seems to be almost a genre of humor poking fun at men. We do have our points, as you articulate. A positive note: the ubiquity of the GPS device has taken away from us one of our most annoying proclivities. Not need to ask for directions! Voted up and interesting.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      rfmoran, great point on the GPS...haha...thank you for taking the time to read and comment; so glad you enjoyed it.

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      Janine Huldie 4 years ago from New York, New York

      Very interesting indeed and will say even though I am married and love my husband dealry there are times I truly just do not understand him and he doesn't understand me at other times either. I totally agree that both men and women are complex. Voting up and sharing too!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Janine, thank you; I don't think any of us ever get to the point where there is total understanding. I do think, however, that through acceptance we can still make it work nicely.

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      Janine Huldie 4 years ago from New York, New York

      Again, I totally agree with you. Thank you by the way for the fan mail. Nice to find other teachers on here too!

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      b. Malin 4 years ago

      What a Rich and Rewarding Read Bill...Great Insight, Flaws and All, so Appreciated. Yes, Man are from Mars at times...but if we choose the right partner for all the Right reasons...We wind up with Someone that we have lots in common with...A Talker, A Walker, a Good Love Maker, and a Best Friend. My Second time around, I got all that and more. Do we Fight, oh yes, but we don't stay Mad long. Life is too short and we Grown together when we Communicate.

      I too Vote this Hub UP, & Interesting, and Useful. Excellent Video too!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Barbara, I, too, have found it all finally after a couple failed attempts. It is a miracle to finally experience love and Bev and I have learned how to work through our differences and communicate. Thank you my friend.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Janine! I'm looking forward to knowing you better through your hubs.

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      Columba Smith 4 years ago from California

      Well, that explains a lot, lol! Great hub. I've had to study up on men and boys while raising my two sons. It's true that the absence of a father figure makes their transition to adulthood more difficult. I'm thankful for the healthy male role models they've had.

      I read For Women Only, a riveting study on men. The companion book, For Men Only, is also extremely eye-opening for men, I imagine.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hi Collisa and thanks for the visit! I may have to take a look at those books. Thanks for the suggestions and carry on being a great mother.

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      hazelwood4 4 years ago from Owensboro, Kentucky

      Hi Billy, This is a very interesting topic. I have told my wife several times that men are wired SO much differently then women. I am a little bit more vocal then my dad was growing up. He is somewhat of a quiet man, but a VERY wonderful father to say the least. Being a father is SO important in today's society, and I always try to be a great dad to my two boys like my dad. Thank you for sharing!

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      Paula 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Oh dear, bill.....first, I am shocked you did not find a way to totally BLOCK this hub from my eyesight.......(I'll bet you tried!)

      I would expect this hub to be superb.....sure, not just because your writing is so great and your hubs rock.....but you ARE a man, after all billybuc!

      Let's see, I have been single, married, widowed, single, married, divorced, single & married.......3 husbands and....during the "single" years, a whole lot of dating (screening)......Raised 4 MALE children......have 4 stepsons as well......and 7 grandsons. In my life, it has rained, "MEN"....in my career, my Superiors have been .......men. I have more male friends than I do females.....more male teachers than female....a MALE dentist, doctor, attorney, Insurance agent, chiropractor and I even have my hair cut and pedicures done by...a man. I loved both my parents but was much closer to my Dad. 98% of my heros/idols are men.....95% of what I read? yep.....male authors. I prefer a waiter to a waitress, and given a choice of sales associates/cashiers, I always choose a male.

      Reality is.....I could not and would not DARE to claim I clearly understand men.....as a "group"......because you guys are FAR more complex, intriguing, mysterious, surprising, interesting, amusing and curious than women could ever even attempt to be......More importantly.....men are absolutely quite different from one another......each and every guy with his own hand-made armor of every element and color.

      Men like to flippantly say, "WOMEN! they're all alike."

      Women would make a huge mistake to say this same thing about men, because it is simply NOT so!! Voted UP +++

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you hazelwood; I agree with you, being a father is crucial in today's society.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Paula, as the hours passed I was beginning to think I had finally found a topic you could care less about....but oh no, here you are, and I gratefully welcome you into my site once more. Here's a tall, cool drink...kick off your shoes and let's chat.

      It was an impossible task to write this hub, but of course that didn't stop me. Classifications of any kind are a rocky road to travel on, but then I've been taking the road less traveled for so long it looks like a superhighway to me.

      Interestingly, I much prefer to talk with women; much prefer a waitress and no, I don't get pedicures. I just find women more open and honest, more free-flowing with their feelings, and after the male posturing I endured as a teen and young buck, I am relieved to spend time with a woman and not have to puff up my chest and be all that I can be in the stud category.

      Anyway....see, you bring out the loquacious in me! Thank you buddy; I hope you are staying cool in the heat while we swelter in 65 degree weather.

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      Dr Pooja 4 years ago

      Males too have phases like women.sometimes they just pour out everything they feel sometimes they are extremely expressive .wonder of it is hormonal or situational ? Whatever is the cause just learn to respect their moods as they adjust to ours and life becomes easier

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 4 years ago from Southern Illinois

      I can see some of the manly traits in my son. I think men are born with certain tendencies and it's best to not try to change them, just outwit them, we women are good at that. Hee

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ruby, I am in complete agreement on that point! LOL

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dr Pooja, you are oh so right! Adjustments and acceptance are keys to happiness. Thank you!

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      Martin Kloess 4 years ago from San Francisco

      if you are in SF I'd love to show you the masons. :))

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mhatter....LOL...that was great! I'd love to meet them.

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      brenda12lynette 4 years ago from Utah

      Thanks for the insight billybuc!!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Brenda; I really appreciate your loyal following.

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      Lisa Williams 4 years ago

      This was a great article My husband is generally the non typical male until he gets around his brother. When that happens all bets are off he is male hear him Roar. Thanks for the insight I voted up!!

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      poojasd7 4 years ago from India

      "The common misconception is that men are a much-simpler life form than women. I think men are every bit as complex as women and in many ways much more difficult to understand. Like any great puzzle, solving it brings wonderful rewards."

      Wow...loved this para. :-)

      What a nice write-up on these special species :-) irrespective of how they are, just respect them a lot!

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      Pamela Kinnaird W 4 years ago from Maui and Arizona

      This was so fun to read. Reminds me a little of that old country song, 'The Truth About Men'.

      All fun aside, I liked reading your insights -- especially your second to last paragraph. It brought to mind several cultures I am familiar with -- and how distinct they are due to the customs of the fathers through the generations. The richness of culture, the pride in heritage and dignity -- so many variances in so many men -- and yet many similarities as you've outlined.

      Voting up and sharing.

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      Voronwe 4 years ago

      I too had always thought that men were far more difficult to understand than women, even amongst themselves. Women may definitely seem complicated to men, but not to other women I think. Such an interesting read, especially the importance you emphasized upon under "The father figure".

      Great insights.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lisa, thank you! It is tough to write an article about such a subjective subject as we all have differences...that didn't stop me from trying. :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      poojasd, exactly...it is all about respect! Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Pamela; I always like it when you visit.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Voronwe, thank you! There is nothing simple about men...but they sure want you to believe they are all about simplicity.

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      Dianna Mendez 4 years ago

      I agree that men are just as complex as women. I often tell that to my hubby.. I'm not a mind reader! Great observations and so true. I think most men would rather drive off a cliff than ask for directions, help, etc. and admit they are incapable. Anyways, still admire them for their logical thinking and strengths.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dianna, very true; there are great traits in men and women; finding them, appreciating them and accepting them are key.

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      Tammy 4 years ago from North Carolina

      I think it would be so difficult to be a man. You always have to project an image of strength and competence. I think men are just as complicated as women but in different areas. Women tend to think about feelings and relationships while men think about money, sex, and food. Great hub and great insight into the mind of men.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Tammy, thank you! Men are very busy with image and it can be exhausting. I think it is so much easier when you are my age and image no longer matters...there is great freedom in that.

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      lovedoctor926 4 years ago

      This is very good information. I agree with your views. Let me add that communication is essential in a relationship, but not all men know how to communicate or express themselves effectively. Then again, it could also mean that they are emotionally unavailable or have intimacy issues. I think lying and failing to disclose pertinent fact are closely intertwined. I have zero tolerance for this type of behavior. You're right, men are just as complex as women.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Love, I am in total agreement with you; that type of behavior should not be tolerated. It is something I had to learn over the years. It helps to have safety in a relationship and know that it is okay to be open and honest.

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      Suzette Walker 4 years ago from Taos, NM

      Fantastic hub! You have certainly hit the nail on the head. It has only taken me half a lifetime to figure all this out! You are a secure man to be able to write this about yourself and for men in general. Actually women don't have it any easier but we do emote much more on the whole. Great hub and fascinating read! Voted up!

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      Greg Boudonck 4 years ago from On A Mountain In Puerto Rico

      I don't find this hub insulting at all sir, even being a man. I actually think you hit some nails on the head.

      Great hub. Keep 'em coming!

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      Tara Carbery 4 years ago from Cheshire, UK

      You've done it again Bill! A great hub! I'll never ever understand Men. I love my partner very much but we're so alike and opinionated. There are often arguments but neither of us want to back down! Still, I'd be bored with a 'yes man' I suppose.

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      Trinity M 4 years ago

      Very interesting and informative hub billybuc. I am fortunate that my husband and I have found a healthy way to communicate; I know when to push and when to walk away and let him come to me when he’s ready. I find the biggest mistake many women make is that they push for answers at the wrong time and that only makes their man retreat even further into his “cave”. Thanks for your insights.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Suzette, we are a mystery. LOL Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Froggy, I'm glad and thank you very much!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Tara, what a nice surprise! Yes, being with a person who always lets me win is incredibly boring. It's necessary to have a nice blowout every once in awhile. So nice to hear from you; I hope you are well.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Trinity, thank you! I've known quite a few men who always think it is a bad time...I was one of them many moons ago. I finally found someone I feel safe with and that has made all the difference.

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      Murphy 4 years ago from Chicagoland, Illinois

      I just think it is careless to generalize an understanding of either gender when there are so many individually specific traits that makes us,,, individuals.

      Some commonalities ?, sure.. but we share a lot of commonalities with female traits as well... Shh... those are the ones we're supposed to be too tough to admit to.

      The only thing I can seperate females to males with is their reactions.

      Men tend to be analitical, reasoning, logical...

      Women tend to be more emotional, spiritual, cautious.

      Other than that?...

      We are not as different as people tend to make us out to be.

      No matter how much that fact is avoided, and ignored.

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      Murphy 4 years ago from Chicagoland, Illinois

      I guess I wasn't feeling the 'Depth' as stated.

      Just a lot of surface generalizations that really do not isolate much on details to be considered as 'Depth'.

      "If you have an opinion?, There is no reason to be humble about it" ~ Joan Baez ~

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Critical; always a pleasure to hear from you.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks again Critical!

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Hi billy, loved your video, in some ways it reminded me of me when I was at school, picked on etc, and had a terrible self worth. I grew up with a wonderful dad who was never in a temper, never yelled at me, my mum did that! lol! and so on, so I always saw boys and girls more or less the same, in fact even today and growing up I prefer male company to womens, purely because I feel more comfortable with them. with a woman, I have always felt as though they are either more confident than me, have achieved more and have some sort of secret way that makes them popular and successful, I have spent lots of time with men, and even though they may not talk about their troubles like women do, it comes across in their manner and ways, a smile, a grimace, or just looking into their eyes, men are much more sensitive than women, and thats what makes me love being with them, great hub billy, cheers nell

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nell, thank you for the kind words. There are a few of us out there who aren't bad to be around. :) When I finally get across the Pond and pay a visit to your country we can sit and discuss this further. :)

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