Monogamy and Celibacy Sexuality and love

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  1. Ericdierker profile image47
    Ericdierkerposted 10 years ago

    I kissed a nice lady on the cheek, I think my ears turned red. I felt all silly like a boy. I told my wife and she said she knew. And that the church ladies think I am funny. She pinched me on my non-existent butt and giggled. Then she yelled from the kitchen. RICK you do not love anyone but me.

    Well of course I love my parents and my children. But my wife was right I just love one woman.

    Now here is the twist. I do not know who you love. I care that you love. I am a preacher man. It has never occurred to me to suggest who you love.

    A gay person that loves --- loves. A really good botanist loves plants. A great Veterinarian loves animals. A Preacher man loves all his people. My two sons love me.

    OK OK it might make me uncomfortable if you love the neighbors dog and want to get married. Even if the dog was awesome.

    But if you love,,,, I mean love. Then you and I stand on the same shore and will build our house on love. I am a learned man. Doctorates and a hand full of other degrees. I am somehow respected by folk. But I just can't remember what I learned. Maybe all that crap just taught me to love. Please do not mock me for loving my little wife or sons. We may look stupid or wrong but we love each other.

    If you have a problem you can always call 911 Ericdierker and I promise I will love you.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      All that learnin',  all that "preachin'", huh,  and you still don't read your Bible and you refuse to acknowledge that God is holy and sovreign.
      Nobody can accuse you of being a "Biblist", that's for sure.

      I'm not trying to cut you down for loving anyone or everyone!   That's what a Christian does.   But the thing is--------a Christian,  especially a preacher,  knows that Love is about more than just accepting anything and everything that someone decides to do.
      Maybe you don't claim to be a Christian......I dunno!   It's just that the title of preacher usually means a Bible-believing,  born-again, God-fearin' leader who takes the Word seriously instead of sounding like a 60's free-love flower child with their head in the sand and rebellion in their words.

      1. Disappearinghead profile image61
        Disappearingheadposted 10 years agoin reply to this

        I think we've been around this merry go round many times before. Leviticus is law for ancient Hebrew priests, not 21st century gentiles. Sodom's sin was not homosexuality but selfishness, pride, and not looking after strangers. Paul was addressing the issue of pagan cult prostitutes not homosexuality per se. Jesus healed the gay lover servant of the centurion, and never spoke of homosexuality, although he did about marriage and divorce. Time for you to take the word seriously and stop reading it as your church tells you to read it; you are not a Jehovah's Witness, you are allowed to have a free mind.

        1. Ericdierker profile image47
          Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          So many have decided that their work as Christians is to make rules and laws. It is as though they can read words but totally miss the story. Maybe it is like headliners and movie sound bites and explosions and a politician just has oneliners.
          Oh well. at least they are trying and I love em.

      2. Ericdierker profile image47
        Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

        Brenda Show me one place where the Bible tells you to make a judgment on other people who love because of orientation of what they love other than law and false idles.
        Perhaps Paul judged and maybe Peter but I do not see anywhere where they told us to do that judging. The bible may say this is bad and this is good. But no where does it say we should decide.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 10 years agoin reply to this

're basically saying that the original disciples could make righteous judgements but other Christians couldn't or can't?    In other words, the Bible is true for only the leadership?
          Surely you jest.   Or are confused.

          1. Ericdierker profile image47
            Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Brenda, I have a bible that is four inches thick. It is a later edition Gutenberg.  In German. I got a 3 thousand page one in Latin Vulgate. My Bible that I read the Gospel from in Church is 1500 pages of scripture. Now you are going to come along and tell me definitively what they say?? Wow you are some kind of scholar and Apostle and Disciple and Rabbi.
            If we take sentences out of the bible they are like 1 millionth of what the Bible says. Great!!! That means nothing. The Bible must be taken as a whole and not sliced and diced apart for a goal. The Bible as a whole teaches love. Judgments based on one liners is fool hardy at best. There is no leadership for Christians only servants and some are tasked with flocks.
            And I do not personally know anyone who has been crucified like most original Apostles were. And they did not have a Bible so they did not quote New Testament Scripture. They only taught Love.

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              Brenda Durhamposted 10 years agoin reply to this

              John the Baptist taught the warning of repentance just like Jesus did.
              Now, that is a part of Love.
              If you're honest with yourself,  you'll know that, and vice versa----Love is a part of warning people against the pitfalls of sin, both temporary and eternal.
              And the other Apostles taught the same thing,  as did Jude and other Biblical writers. 
              Christians cannot feasibly omit the conviction of the Holy Spirit and just bury their heads in the sands of blind ill-defined "love".    The Love of God isn't just a benign bit of fluff.   It is serious, with serious implications and eternal results.   AWESOME results!!

              As far as the Gutenberg Bible and all that,  that's very interesting of course;  I've often wanted to own one and it would be great to be able to read it.
              However, I have no reason (nor do you, that I can think of) to think it's any different in context nor overall content than the Bible I read from.

              1. Ericdierker profile image47
                Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                Brenda those are great words. Powerful and wrought with danger and wrath. Love is serious business.
                Be a parent. Love is not all uuuchi gooochi. It is damned hard work. Time and caring and listening and doing for another. I would rather be single, childless and preach no more. It is just too much sometimes to love with what little hearts we are given.
                John was one bad ass dude. I heard he did flips when Mama Mary was with baby Jesus in her womb and visited John's mother her cousin. How cool to the rule is that. They loved each other before they were born.
                Perhaps I also loved Jesus before I was born for I know not a time when I did not love Him.
                Drop the warning crap. If it is fear that drives your love for Jesus. Go back to bed. We Love Jesus and we celebrate but there is not a damned soul or book that makes us love Him out of fear. I warn you!!!! For you have fear.

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  The Bible says the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.    Now, that means fear as in being aware that He is sovreign and all-powerful.   So, yes, it's wise to fear God!   However, we also know that He is Love, as the Bible also says.
                  Thanks for the warning, but I didn't need it,  because it was twisted.    Like I said, we cannot dismiss one of His attributes in favor of another,  for He has both.

                  I dunno what kind of church you preach in,  but it doesn't sound like a Christian one at all.
                  There's also a verse I'm recalling right now that also says in what manner we should fear Him.   Surely you know that verse. don't even read the Bible because of your idea that it's not complete.

                  1. Ericdierker profile image47
                    Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                    Sorry Brenda -- There are over 1500 pages in most modern bibles. I have a ton to teach. I probably miss some. I mean like I have a twenty year old I have been preaching to for 14 years. That would be about 500 lessons on 1500 pages.
                    I do not think I have gotten to fear. Maybe next year and the year after maybe Helll fire and Brimstone and maybe next how to condemn thy neighbor.
                    I am afraid that your church started out with fear and hell and maybe next year will get to love.
                    Do you see my point? There is so much to learn. Why do you want to skip ahead to rules and regulations and how you have to act? Leave that for year twenty and combine it with year 14 and weave it into year 7.and I still do not see how it fits in the Easter, Summer, Thanksgiving and Christmas cycles not to mention lent and catechism and what the heck else.
                    Good for you focus on telling your children how to act instead of acting like it. Spend time on telling them what not to be, rather than on what they should be. Your Christian Church must be so better than mine.

    2. Cardisa profile image90
      Cardisaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Love is love. As far as I know, there are now conditions as whom to love or what.

      When a gay person loves another it's still love. I love my dog and almost had a heart attack yesterday when my fiance accidentally poisoned her. She is now recovered. But that love I have for my animal is till love.

      I love ice-cream and that is still love.

      Love is without condition.

      1. Ericdierker profile image47
        Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

        Good to here your gal dog recovered ---- But how about your Fiance'?????

        1. Cardisa profile image90
          Cardisaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          He's still in the doghouse big_smile

          1. Ericdierker profile image47
            Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this


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    Beth37posted 10 years ago

    Ok... everybody sounds crazy in this thread so I wasn't gonna respond, but then I thought, 'when have I ever been above sounding crazy?' So here's my take.

    Eric's right in the sense that love is Jesus's main message. The Bible tells us God IS love so love has gotta be pretty important!

    Brenda's right in the fact that just because you choose to love anyone and everyone doesn't mean you should throw out scripture. God taught us in His word what is right and wrong, good and evil, so we should take heed, but back to Eric... God never told us not to love ppl.

    On to Dis. Head. He's right in the sense that we should not blindly believe what any one church or preacher tells us, but we should divide the word as scholars unto ourselves, lead by the Spirit Himself... who of course... is love.

    So we come back to love... the greatest of these is love... love covers a multitude of sins... love will always prevail.

    1. Ericdierker profile image47
      Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Beth that is an awesome comment. My leather bound totin around bible has 2,000 pages. Probably 1,500 pages of scripture. Wow! I think it is really cool. I probably have only read every page about 3 times. We should love our book.

  3. Ericdierker profile image47
    Ericdierkerposted 10 years ago

    Mark -- Wilderness and whoever is busy thinking. What am I supposed to do with these Christians who think a book filled with words is God and that if they repeat enough they will transcend into a Heaven? This guy Celafoe and a few others are just hell bent on quoting stuff. "what is that?"
    Quoting a book makes someone Holy??? We read the darn thing to get focused and so we are all on the "same page". Not because the page rules our life. King James? Latin Vulgate? Lutheran? Greek Orthodox or Roman??

    I promise all you atheists there is a Bible that is authoritative. That cannot be copyrighted. There is a Bible within every single good deed and thought and word we have.

    Break my heart, break my spirit, break my mind but no one can ever ever separate me from my Lord, who is Love. I will fight like a warthog on steroids, I will fail like the Great Depression. But nothing, nothing and nothing and nothing can make me stop loving.

    But here are these people telling me only to love this one and that one and and and and and. ===
    I am dizzy. I only can do one thing right.

    1. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Leave them be.  You cannot teach the self righteous ego that already knows everything worth knowing.  At best your efforts will only harm you and yours.

      Once in a very great while you can lead them to the waterhole of reason by using the question as a tool.  Truth, love, fact - all are useless in teaching one that refuses to think first.  But very occasionally a question can stimulate them to think just a little - a little that one day could potentially grow.

      It isn't much, and you will have very few successes, but once in a while even the massive ego of the Rabid Right Christian can be encouraged to think just a little and when that happens they can learn.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Indeed, you must be dizzy from carrying around confusion.   
      I wasn't meaning to keep this conversation going on and on;   I simply wanted to know what denomination of "preacher" you claim to be.   Because a Christian goes by the Holy Bible.    You must be very naive or very inexperienced in the field of preaching if you don't know that by now,  or just want to keep your religion secret.    It's my turn to be amazed that you're shocked about the Bible being the written word of God.

      So....anyway......carry on in your confusion.    Tickle the ears of the unbelievers in order to gain followers,  the very people to whom you should be telling to follow Jesus and learn the truths of salvation and offering them the hope of eternal life.

  4. MelissaBarrett profile image58
    MelissaBarrettposted 10 years ago

    Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

    And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

    I shall now wait patiently for the anti-gay crowd to try to addend the previous passage to read...

    "But the greatest of these is love... unless it's gay love... then that's an abomination."

    1. JMcFarland profile image70
      JMcFarlandposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      roflmao - you made my must be found in the self-righteous indignation translation.  That one seems to be missing from my bookshelf as of late....


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