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America in the Book of Revelation

Updated on September 25, 2012
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I was talking to someone about the lamb-like beast of Revelation 13. She told me that she thought it represented Freemasonry; but I respectfully disagreed and stated that I am convinced it represents the United States of America. She asked, “Why?” I responded, “First of all, a beast in prophecy represents a nation: “… The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, …” - Daniel 7:23.

She inquired, “How do you know it represents the United States?” I said, “Because of its lamb-like features. For example, the lamb is also used to symbolize Jesus (John 4:29); and one of the characteristics of Jesus is 'liberty' (Luke 4:18). Therefore, one of the characteristics of this nation is liberty; and The United States is called 'the land of liberty.'"

She responded, “But America isn’t the only land that stands for liberty. So how do you know this beast specifically represents it?” I answered, “Because of the description of its ascent. It comes ‘up out of the earth’ (Revelation 13:11). Do you know the significance of the earth in prophecy?” I questioned. “No.” she answered.

I continued: "The earth is the opposite of water. Revelation 17:15 explains that water symbolizes a multitude of people. Therefore, the lamb-like beast ascending out of the earth means it rises to power in a relatively unpopulated area; and that was the case when America came into existence, compared to the already densely populated Old world.”

So what does the Bible say the future of the great nation of America is?

The Final Events of Bible Prophecy

America’s Destiny

Revelation 13:11 says that America will speak “as a dragon.” How a nation speaks is by its laws. The dragon symbolizes Satan (Revelation 12:9). Satan is characterized by cruelty and oppression all throughout the Bible. Therefore, America will it change its laws to reflect the cruel and oppressive character of Satan.

America will pass laws to enforce worship in a way that will cause people to receive the mark of the beast (Revelation 13:12, 16, 17). This means an amendment to the constitution will have to be made to abolish the separation of church and state, as is guaranteed by the First Amendment. Accompanied by false miracles, this deception will spread to the entire world (verse 14).

"And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him; and he causeth the earth and them that dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.

"And he deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast, saying to them that dwell on the earth that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword and lived ...And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand or in their foreheads, that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark of the name of the beast or the number of his name." - Revelation 13:11-17

The Mark of the Beast


This deception is fast approaching. Forces like the Lord’s Day Alliance and the papacy have been hard at work to institute the mark of the beast for over a hundred years. Therefore, it is important that we have Jesus as our Lord and Savior; because He is the only one that can deliver us from the mark of the beast. If you haven’t already, won’t you pray for Jesus to come into your life so that you may survive the difficult times ahead and your future may be eternally secure?

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      dm 3 years ago

      "the sky is blue, therefore, tomorrow is Thursday" makes more sense than that.

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      Robert Tevault 5 years ago

      I am having trouble sharing this with people and keeping the idea - a firm conviction on my part - that America, as my dreams have revealed, is indeed referenced in Revelation 13:3. The idea itself is being tainted more every day by people simply making hunches on one hand, and sometimes excellent research on the other. I saw absolutely nothing online which reached this conclusion until long after my blog was posted, and after I had been passing out documents randomly and at churches for months. I suppose imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but I am not simply trying to further an interpretation of biblical prophecy. The dreams represent the actual tranferral of prophetic material, and as certain as such a claim is to be ridiculed, for me the matter is spiritual, religious, mystical, and absolutley reliable. Daniel Long's is a website that has run with my interpretation of Revelation 13:3, but refuses to acknowledge my blog as the source. The fact that God intervened in the life of men in this fashion needs to be acknowledged.

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      Greg Sereda 5 years ago from Sandomierz, Poland

      Robert Tevault - Interesting.

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      Robert Tevault 5 years ago

      America will be 'fatally' wounded in a series of terrorist attacks to be carried out on American soil, co-ordinated by sources within the intelligence community and military who are also Lucifarians, and/or believe in the need to create conditions necessary for the kind of brutal, oppressive form of martial law outlined in the President's Executive order (National Defense Resources Preparedness EO)signed March 2012. Notice the date: 12:3. Obama's health care law requires Americans to receive a class II implantable device by 13:3, March, 2013. These are not coincidences. The Lucifarian globalists, Masons all of them, have long awaited the nation and have worked to create the conditions which would fulfill St. John the Divine's 'fatally' wounded beast in Revelation. Just like on 9-11, these 'wounds' must be self-inflicted, that is, planned by internal traitors (Lucifarian Masons, who have infiltrated every sector and level of government) seeking drastic changes in the constitution (the Patriot Act, the National Criminal Intelligence Sharing Plan, etc) and, in the next phase, absolute tyranny and genocide. The dreams I've had leave no doubt in my mind as to what is being planned by these generational, secret satanists. I am worried about this latest scandal involving the Secret Service. It seems planned to remove officers surrounding the President and perhaps replace them with disloyal agents. The timing, given the impending dates mentioned above, is ominous.

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      Greg Sereda 5 years ago from Sandomierz, Poland

      Robert Tevault - Thank you for your comment. However, I do not see the fatally wounded beast representing in Revelation 13 as representing American. I believe that is the papacy. The leopard-like beast, on the other hand, is a much better match for America.

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      Robert Tevault 5 years ago

      Nobody was naming America as the "fatally wounded" head of a many headed beast in Revelation 13:3 until I posted these prophetic dreams. Here is the most abbreviated version of the dreams and visions I've had. I began sharing this document in 2010; the specific dreams mentioned in the link below began occurring in the three years prior. Dreams of this kind began for me over twenty years ago. And yes, I believe the nation-entity that America becomes after intentionally being "fatally wounded" will resemble an aggressive, warlike nation appearing as a lamb of peace, yet speaking in threats, and 'pre-emptive' strikes against 'potential' enemies.

      -Robert Tevault


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      Greg Sereda 5 years ago from Sandomierz, Poland

      lone77star - Thanks for commenting. I watched the Aaron Russo inverview and am aware of the microchipping plan. Although, I doubt that the microchip is the mark of the beast, because receiving the mark of the beast, according to the Bible, is a consequence of false worship, as cited by my hub.

      That being said, biblically speaking, the beast must be a religious entity because it receives worship. For several reasons, I'm convinced that the beast is Roman Catholocism. It has even made statements to the effect of their mark being the Sunday Sabbath. The Mark of the Best clip in my hub includes some details about this.

      I think the Rockefellers and Rothschilds are not our biggest threat. They are only part of a system which is controlled by Catholocism through the Jesuit Priesthood. For more on this, check out Walter Veith's Total Onslaught Seminar videos on You Tube. Here is a playlist you could watch:

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      Rod Martin Jr 5 years ago from Cebu, Philippines

      Thanks, Greg. A very interesting take on Revelation.

      Another one that I've seen involves what Nick Rockefeller apparently said to the late Aaron Russo (videos on YouTube). He supposedly said that the Rockefellers plan to have everyone microchipped before they can perform commerce. This will allow them to monitor everyone and to control everyone, too. Anyone they don't like, they merely erase the money in their microchip and they starve.

      Could this microchip be the "mark of the beast?" It would seem that here the beast is a group of the super-rich following Mammon (greed). Their group includes the Rothschilds who have been gathering power for the last 200+ years to take over the world, creating the New World Order, the first President Bush talked about.

      The Rockefellers and their ilk are behind the increasing restrictions in America, but it started with the Rothschilds back in the 1700's when they had the British government outlaw colonial scrip. Then the Rothschilds talked American politicians into adopting a private central bank. When America didn't renew, the Rothschilds had England go to war (1812).

      America, deep in debt again, was forced to accept a second private central bank. But when the second bank was not renewed, America had finally pulled themselves out of debt for the only time in their history (1832). The Rothschilds fanned the flames of dissent and fomented strife between North and South, kicking off the Civil War.

      Finally, their new buddies in America (the Rockefellers) pushed through a new private central bank with a fancy, official, "non-bank" sounding name: Federal Reserve System (1913). The same year, personal income tax was implemented to pay the private bank, making the super-rich even richer.

      And that same year, the Rockefellers started their Foundation which began to fund heavily only the medical schools who did medicine they way they wanted it done. Health in America has declined ever since (heart disease, obesity, cancer). We have greater longevity, but poorer health along with it--all from the poisons the Rockefellers and their gang have placed in food.

      My recent hub on "The Shocking Truth about Cancer Statistics" shows a scary correlation between Western lifestyles and cancer rates. This isn't by accident. The super-rich are getting richer because of pharmaceutical "maintenance" drugs and because they are outlawing cures. They're making Americans sick and then selling them the supposed solution which merely drains all the cash they have until they're dead. Not a very nice bunch.

      The Rockefellers and Rothschilds don't care about the "little" people of the world. Like the Scrooge character of "A Christmas Carol," they want to decrease the surplus population and don't care who they hurt in the process. We need to forgive them their trespass, for they know not what they do. But we also need to help others to stay out of harm's way by preparing for the tribulation to come and also to prepare for the coming Kingdom of God.

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      Lone Ranger 5 years ago

      Brother Greg:

      For your viewing pleasure I have listed the url from Searchinsany, whom I believe to be spot on regarding this subject:

      Once there, please look up the Hub "A New Heavens and a New Earth...." I think it is packed full of useful information and is both thought provoking and Biblically sound.

      I know there are a lot of Christians today who expect to see signs and wonders and to see Christ's kingdom on earth, but Jesus said that His kingdom was not of this earth, yet many still think they are going to see these things happen in the material world.

      Please remember what Jesus said in Mark 9:1 "And He said to them, 'I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power.'"

      About 40 years after this statement Jerusalem was destroyed, the Jews were scattered, and the Temple leveled...not one brick laying on another. Christ's above statement backs up what I believe, but how can my brother justify this statement and fifty others like it throughout the New Testament? If I may be so bold, and I do not intend any disrespect, but I think my brother may be basing his faith on what his eyes can see, instead of basing his faith on Christ's words.

      Better run for now and may God be with you - L.R.

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      Greg Sereda 5 years ago from Sandomierz, Poland

      Lone Ranger - My friend, the fact that Jesus hasn't returned is attested by many scriptures. For instance, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 explains that His return will be audible ("with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God"), and that saints will be resurrected from their graves ("the dead in Christ shall rise"). Moreover, Revelation 1:7 goes on to say, "every eye will see him [Jesus returning on the clouds of heaven]."

      These things are not mystical or hard to understand; and I reason that since NONE of them have happened yet, Jesus has not yet returned. I don't know what this "age to come" is you're talking about. It would have been nice if you referenced it so I could look it up. However, you should not interpret a Bible doctrine (like Jesus' second coming) with only one scripture. That leads to wrong conclusions. You need to compare numerous scriptures about the subject to get a complete understanding of it.

      You asked how I know that Satan has not been thrown into the lake of fire yet? That's easy. Revelation 20:7-10 explains that the lake of fire is going to be ignited on "the earth" after the thousand year millennium. Have you seen a lake of fire engulfing the earth lately? I haven't. Therefore, Satan has not been thrown into the lake of fire yet.

      You asked what would lead me to believe that 2,000 years would pass before the fulfillment of Jesus' promise to return "soon". That's easy. Second Peter 3:7-9:

      "But the heavens and the earth which now are, by the same Word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the Day of Judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing: that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. The earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

      It's called letting the Bible interpret itself. When you do that, you can't go wrong. It works much better than trying to twist and cram the word into man-made preconceived ideas. That just causes more biblical inconsistencies in the long run.

      Also notice that the above text about a day being like a thousand years to the Lord is in the context of Jesus' second coming.

      Best wishes,

      Brother, Greg

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      Lone Ranger 5 years ago

      Hi, Greg:

      Thank you for your reply!

      You said, "About Jesus' coming ... it's obvious He hasn't come back yet because I am still here..."


      Well, the fact is you assume He hasn't returned, because you assume you understand all the details of His second coming. It is likely that you are still here because we are living in "the age to come", which is a cryptic message of sorts, and virtually nothing is said about it nor is it defined...only mentioned.

      You also said, "Jesus will ultimately bruise Satan's “head“, meaning that he will cause a fatal injury to him. This prophecy was given 6,000 years ago and still hasn't been completely fulfilled."


      And, how does my brother in Christ know this? How does one know for certain that Satan has not already been thrown into the Lake of Fire? Again, it is an assumption that cannot be verified, so it becomes a belief based, not on truth, but on subjective faith.

      You also stated that when Jesus proclaimed in Revelation 22:12, "'I am coming soon', it is important to remember that 'soon' is a relative term. To us, soon may mean a couple of days; but to God, the Bible says that 'with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.'" - 2 Peter 3:8.


      Indeed, you are right, but I propose that the Lord does not make confusing statements to mortals. This is to say that He would not tell His subjects to watch for Him coming "soon" (by earthly standards) and then use His eternal time clock to set the time in motion, whereby forcing His servants to wait thousands of years for Him to fulfill His promise.

      The Angel in Daniel 8:26 said, "The vision of the evenings and mornings that has been given you is true, but seal up the vision, for it concerns the distant future."

      The issue at hand was the destruction of Antiochus IV Epiphanes in the year 164 B.C., while the vision given to Daniel was on or near 535 B.C. (371 years earlier).

      Now, I maintain that if the Angel of the Lord stated that this vision would come to pass in 371 years and referred to this expanse of time as "the distant future", what would lead you to believe that Jesus meant 2,000 years would pass by before the fulfillment of His promise to return "soon"(?)

      This is to say that if 371 years is seen as being in the "distant future" by an Angel of the Lord, then the statement of Christ, "Yes, I am coming soon", in order for it to be truthful (in the eyes of mortals) would have to be fulfilled in short order and definitely sooner than 371 years, which is seen by God as the "distant future" as He related this message to mortals.

      When the Almighty said that "A day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day", He was just telling His subjects that He is eternal and there is no bases for keeping time in eternity. To Him, one moment is like the next, but when He deals with mortals, He never mixes His message or seeks to confuse us.

      Better run for now, but I pray that Our Heavenly Father watches over you and fills you with His peace - L.R.

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      Greg Sereda 5 years ago from Sandomierz, Poland

      L.R. - Brother, the invention of the prophetic interpretations of Preterism and Futurism by the Jesuits no conspiracy, it is a well documented fact:

      About Jesus saying, "I am coming soon", it is important to remember that "soon" is a relative term. To us, soon may mean a couple of days; but to God, the Bible says that "with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." - 2 Peter 3:8.

      In terms of Revelation having a practical application in the mid-first century AD: it was not only for the mid-first century AD, it was to continue until the return of Jesus and establishment of Heaven.

      For instance, 1:3 states that the prophecies written in Revelation were for the Apostle John's day. However, it is evident that the prophecies weren't to stop there, because 14:6-14 include the massage of the Three Angels which are to be preached to the entire world prior to the return of Jesus (mentioned in verse 14); and Jesus has not come back yet.

      In other words, the prophecies of Revelation haven't been completely fulfilled. They are historic, spanning from the early Christian era until the return of Jesus and establishment of Heaven.

      In terms of another instance in the Bible where prophecy was administered but still went unfilfilled some thousands of years later, here is an example:

      Genesis 3:15, 16 - Prophecy of Jesus' victory over Satan

      “And the LORD God said unto the serpent, ‘... I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her Seed; It shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise His heel.’"

      Jesus is the "seed" of the woman - the descendant of Eve (Galatians 3:16; 44).

      Satan bruised Jesus' "heal" during His crucifixion. That is, he caused an injury to Jesus but it wasn’t fatal, because Jesus rose from the grave. However, Jesus with ultimately bruise Satan's “head“, meaning that he will cause a fatal injury to him.

      This prophecy was given 6,000 years ago and still hasn't been completely fulfilled. It was partially fulfilled during Jesus' crucifixion, and it will be completely fulfilled at the destruction of the devil.

      Do you need more examples of prophecies being administered at a much earlier point in time than their fulfillment?

      In terms of people being confused about the prophecies of Revelation. Brother, the only confusion is over the varying prophetic interpretation that now exist for Revelation. Understand that until the 16th century Catholic Counter Reformation, Protestants were united in their historic understanding of Revelation. They knew where in the historic prophecies of Revelation they fit.

      The confusion that we experience today is the result of the invention of Preterism and Futurism. That is because these prophetic interpretations are meant to confuse us; and so many people are falling for them.

      About Jesus' coming ... it's obvious He hasn't come back yet because I am still here...

      However, I do agree with you on the point of Jesus being the only begotten Son of God, and His saving grace on the cross.

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      Lone Ranger 5 years ago


      I read about the Jesuit doctrine diatribe on the internet as well. I, however, did not buy into the propaganda.

      I read the Bible and think, for the most part, that it is fairly clear and straight forward, except for some verses relating to eschtology in Revelation and Daniel. What these verses really mean, I don't think we will ever know, but some people insist that they can understand them, hence drawing lines in the sand. I, however, do not think one should claim to have cornered the market on wisdom and knowledge, so I believe it is probably wise to keep an open mind about such things.

      Now if the Jesuit conspiracy was able to change the wording of the Bible, then we have a problem. But, as it is, I developed certain theories on my own just by reading the words of the Bible and this was done well before I read about the Jesuit conspiracy theory. So, coming to certain conclusions on my own without the benefit of Jesuit brainwashing is still a mystery. In fact, it is just not plausible.

      So, when Jesus said in Revelation 22:12 "Yes, I am coming soon", I believe He actually meant it! I also believe the Book of Revelation had a practical application in the mid first-century A.D., before the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.

      I believe in a first century fulfillment, not because of a possible Jesuit conspiracy, but because it makes more sense Biblically and historically.

      I just don't buy into the notion that when Jesus said that he was coming soon that He meant 2,000 years later, nor do I believe that the information given to John in Revelation was meant for an unknown people 2,000 years down the road.

      If what you are saying is true, then all the subsequent generations from John on down through the ages were thinking Revelation was meant for them. And, when we are dead and gone, future generations will be thinking the same thing. Where does it end? Why couldn't God be more clear...or was He quite clear but we misinterpreted what He was saying. I think the later is probably the case.

      Is there another instance in the Bible where prophesy was administered but still went unfulfilled some 2,000 years later? I think what you are proposing is unprecedented.

      I used to be paranoid and looked under every rock for the Anti-christ and was always looking for current world events to fit my understanding of the Word of God and end-time prophesy. I mean, the possibilities are endless! That is, before I actually read the Bible without reading into it and stopped listening to the pre-trib crowd.

      Luckily, the Almighty and His Son do not work this way. Their message is clear, but it is we who confuse the issues and fail to see the forest through the trees.

      I appreciate your heart, your openness, and your honesty, and whether or not one thinks Jesus has already come, or is yet to come, as long as one believes Jesus is the Only Begotton Son of God, and that His innocent, bitter suffering, and death on the cross paid our ranson in full, one shall be saved. I hope we can agree, at least, on this point.

      Best wishes and be well - L.R.

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      Greg Sereda 5 years ago from Sandomierz, Poland

      L.R. - You asked, "... why would America be represented [in Revelation]? How would writing about a nation that rises up 2,000 years later, way across the world, have any kind of meaningful effect on the early Christian church in Israel during the mid-first century A.D., who desperately needed to hear about what was going to happen to them shortly!"

      My answer to that is, it had nothing to do with them and it wasn't for them. It was meant for us, in our time. We need the guidance of God just as much as the early Christians did; maybe even more so, because we are on the verge of the enforcement of the mark of the beast and Jesus' second coming.

      About the mark of the beast being enforced in the time of liberlus; I don't agree with that, and I'll tell you why. Liberlus may have some paralells to the mark of the beast, but it cannot be the mark of the beast. That is because Revelation 13:3 indicates that "all the world" is deceived by the beast. In Roman times, only those subject to the Roman empire were affected by liberlus. Not to mention, there is no evidence that Nero is the beast who enforces the mark.

      Moreover, the prophetic interpretation that you are using to explain Revelation is called Preterism. I wholeheartedly disagree with Preterism. Preterism is an invention of the Roman Catholic Church. Louis de Alcazar, Jesuic priest, invented it in the 16th century Catholic counter-reformation. The reason this was done was to combat Historicism.

      Historicism is what the Protestant Reformation was teaching at the time, which was leading untold numbers of Catholics to convert to Catholocism because it identified the Papacy as biblical antichrist. Historicism also has a long history, going back to the early church.

      The Pope didn't like the fact that Protestants were using prophecy to identify him as the antichrist, so he commisioned Luis de Alcazar and Francisco Ribera (both Jesuit priests) to come up with two completely alternative prophetic interpretations to circumvent that. One was Preterism, which identified Nero as the antichrist, and the other was Futurism, which teaches that the antichrist is yet to appear, and that he will be some kind of world ruler during the "supposed" seven years of tribulation.

      I am a Protestant, in the truest sense of the word. I am a Historicist. I am not going to allow myself to be deveiced by Jesuit doctrine, which has a short history and was designed to circumvent the facts of prophecy.

      Moreover, about the Lord forcing His saints to endure the great tribulation. I don't think it is fair to say that our suffering is the Lord's fault. It is so easy to forget that there is a devil in the world, and he is the one to blame for our suffering, not God.

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      Lone Ranger 5 years ago

      Forgive me, Greg, it is about 2:30 a.m way out on the Pacific Coast and my eyes are tired. Yes, I did error in stating 4 beasts, when I meant two.

      Indeed, the Bible holds many truths that are timeless in their wisdom and application. Having said that, there are also things written in the World of God that were meant for a specific people at a specific time and for a specific purpose. If one were to misinterpret the context of certain verses, it would be like misinterpreting the signs in a treasure map, and one could find oneself way off mark.

      When we look at the Bible in retrospect, perhaps 2,000 or 3,000 years later, we can learn through the spiritual application of wisdom that came from the recorded event, but for the people directly was far more practical and meaningful because it involved them personally.

      I did read your Hub through and through and really liked what you had to say. I think you are quite articulate and you know how to communicate effectively. My problem is that I don't always stay on topic and sometimes I like to extrapolate....a lot! Sorry.

      You stated, "Moreover, the way I described "the second beast's" origins (of Revelation 13) could not be said of many other nations. It ONLY fits America."


      Well, I respectfully disagree. When you state that it ONLY fits America, that is just a guess, perhaps an educated guess, but a guess nonetheless.

      I wholeheartedly agree with you that America is bad news. And, as they say, "When America sneezes, the rest of the world catches a cold." Certainly America is under the evil auspices of Freemasonry and Satanism at the highest levels. But, this does not mean that America is represented anywhere in the Book of Revelation.

      And, why would America be represented? How would writing about a nation that rises up 2,000 years later, way across the world, have any kind of meaningful effect on the early Christian church in Israel during the mid-first century A.D., who desperately needed to hear about what was going to happen to them shortly!

      Again, if the context of the text is misunderstood, then the application of the text will be improperly applied across the board.

      Please look into the term libelus. This was a Roman invention during the time of Nero and was used for the next few hundred years in the Roman empire. This is important because it was a paper that decreed that the holder of the paper prayed to Caesar at least twice every day and burned incense in his honor. If a person did not have their papers (libelus), he or she could not find employment, seek a trade, buy a home and their ability to buy or sell was severely hampered.

      I, for one, do not know why the Almighty would force this burden upon His saints for the second time and force the great tribulation upon His saints for the second time. Doesn't make sense to me.

      Best wishes, my friend, and be well - L.R.

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      Greg Sereda 5 years ago from Sandomierz, Poland

      Lone Ranger - I wasn't talking about the fourth beast in Daniel in my hub. I was talking about the lamb-like beast in Revelation 13... That is the second beast mentioned in Revelation 13. Did you read the hub to the end?

      Moreover, the way I described "the second beast's" origins (of Revelation 13) could not be said of many other nations. It ONLY fits America. America is the ONLY country which stands for liberty AND arose in a relatively unpopulated land, compared to Europe, which was already densely populated when America developed, which England and Russia belong to.

      My brother, you mention a "fourth beast in Revelation". However, there is no such fourth beast in Revelation 13. There are only two beasts.

      About the Bible not being a contemporary book about contemporary issues, I absolutely disagree with that statement. The Bible is always relevant, and speaks of matters from creation until the second coming of Jesus and the New Heaven and earth, which are still future.

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      Lone Ranger 5 years ago

      Hi, Greg!

      I do enjoy a good discussion regarding the Books of Daniel and Revelation. So much information and yet so little is truly understood.

      As for me, I think the United States, though an ungodly nation, is not the fourth beast described in Daniel or in Revelations. The way you described the fourth beast's origins could be said about many nations including England and Russia.

      If I had to stake my life on it, I would say that the fourth beast of Daniel was probably the Diodochi or Greece, but the fourth beast in Revelation was probably Rome.

      Please keep in mind the audience who was to receive this information and what they were to do with it once they received it. Revelation was an encoded message with a practical solution to guard early Christians from impending calamity.

      Many people make the mistake of thinking that the Bible is talking to contemporary Christians about contemporary issues, when, in fact, the message was to be delivered to a specific people, at a specific time, and for a specific purpose. So, in this regard context is the key to understanding the message.

      If I ever start my own Hub-site I will go into it in some detail, but for now, this must suffice.

      Peace be with you - L.R.

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      Greg Sereda 5 years ago from Sandomierz, Poland

      Seek-n-Find: I'm glad you found it interesting.

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      Jenna Ditsch 5 years ago from Illinois

      Interesting take. I think I change my mind just about every time I study Revelations about what certain things mean...there are so many different viewpoints! Thanks for sharing yours. Now I'm going to go start a conversation with my husband about this. :-)