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Redeemed Angels that once disobeyed God were those "Clean beasts" inside Noah's Ark!
God tells Noah:
Genesis 6:7 I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them…
Genesis 6:13 The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
Genesis 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
Genesis 8:5 And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen…
Genesis 8:13 And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth...
I found the same Flood in the Book of Esdras!
Ezra 10:13 But the people are many, and it is a time of much rain, and we are not able to stand without, neither is this a work of one day or two: for we are many that have transgressed in this thing…
Ezra 10:16-17 ...And Ezra the priest, with certain chief of the fathers, after the house of their fathers, and all of them by their names, were separated, and sat down in the first day of the tenth month to examine the matter. And they made an end with all the men that had taken strange wives by the first day of the first month. (same as Genesis chapter 8)
How did it happened?
Genesis 5:32-6:8 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth. And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
These celestial sons of priests (Sons of God) are “the beasts” that went with Noah and his family inside the ark. "Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female"
Ezra 10:18-44 And among the sons of the priests there were found that had taken strange wives: namely, of the sons of Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and his brethren; Maaseiah, and Eliezer, and Jarib, and Gedaliah. And they gave their hands that they would put away their wives; and being guilty, they offered a ram of the flock for their trespass. And of the sons of Immer; Hanani, and Zebadiah. And of the sons of Harim; Maaseiah, and Elijah, and Shemaiah, and Jehiel, and Uzziah. And of the sons of Pashur; Elioenai, Maaseiah, Ishmael, Nethaneel, Jozabad, and Elasah. Also of the Levites; Jozabad, and Shimei, and Kelaiah, (the same is Kelita,) Pethahiah, Judah, and Eliezer. Of the singers also; Eliashib: and of the porters; Shallum, and Telem, and Uri. Moreover of Israel: of the sons of Parosh; Ramiah, and Jeziah, and Malchiah, and Miamin, and Eleazar, and Malchijah, and Benaiah.And of the sons of Elam; Mattaniah, Zechariah, and Jehiel, and Abdi, and Jeremoth, and Eliah. And of the sons of Zattu; Elioenai, Eliashib, Mattaniah, and Jeremoth, and Zabad, and Aziza. Of the sons also of Bebai; Jehohanan, Hananiah, Zabbai, and Athlai. And of the sons of Bani; Meshullam, Malluch, and Adaiah, Jashub, and Sheal, and Ramoth. And of the sons of Pahathmoab; Adna, and Chelal, Benaiah, Maaseiah, Mattaniah, Bezaleel, and Binnui,and Manasseh. And of the sons of Harim; Eliezer,Ishijah, Malchiah, Shemaiah, Shimeon, Benjamin, Malluch, and Shemariah.Of the sons of Hashum; Mattenai, Mattathah, Zabad, Eliphelet, Jeremai, Manasseh, and Shimei. Of the sons of Bani; Maadai, Amram, and Uel, Benaiah, Bedeiah, Chelluh, Vaniah, Meremoth, Eliashib, Mattaniah, Mattenai, and Jaasau, And Bani, and Binnui, Shimei, And Shelemiah, and Nathan, and Adaiah, Machnadebai, Shashai, Sharai, Azareel, and Shelemiah, Shemariah, Shallum, Amariah, and Joseph. Of the sons of Nebo; Jeiel, Mattithiah, Zabad, Zebina, Jadau, and Joel, Benaiah. All these had taken strange wives: and some of them had wives by whom they had children.
The Bible tells us about all these “beasts”:
Ecclesiastes 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.”
Job 18:3 Wherefore are we counted as beasts, and reputed vile in your sight?
2 Peter 2:11-12 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption.
God formed each one of us and gave us his breath of life and we all became living souls. So what about the animals? Also they are living things created by God. According to the majority of knowledgeable people today they think that certainly the animals have a soul. "The soul is the principle of life. Since animals and plants are living things, they have souls, but not in the sense in which human beings have souls. Our souls are rational, theirs aren't and ours are rational because they're spiritual, not material". But the truth is that the Word of God states that only eight souls were saved inside of the Ark and do not say that thousands of souls were saved;
1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, where in few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
So what this implies? Please remember what Genesis 6:13 says, for the earth is filled with violence through them; Again i ask, What about those living animals? They do not know any better about being violent if they really are. Or may i rephrase it on what the Bible specifically says: What about those Beasts? Well this Beasts (Angels) that were once called the sons of God did not need to be feeding on oxygen to be alive as a living soul because they were and still celestial spiritual beings on the "face" of the Earth which is that Glory place of this Earth called Heaven.
There were Angels inside Noah's Ark!
Noah (2014)
Noah's Ark was found in 2010 at that place where the Holy Bible states it came to rest, "Mountains of Ararat"
© 2014 Eduardo Amando Jusino
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Hebrews 5:12-14 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
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People are imperfect but the Holy Spirit moves the person for inspiration on the holy ground of Scriptures for the correct interpretation. My Manuscript - Celestial Theology is proof of that with many New Biblical Discoveries since 2008!
Even if that's true, that doesn't prove your idea that the story of Job is the story of Satan especially when the word Satan itself isn't used for just a malevolent spirit. The word just means someone who is against something. And as shown before those verses you used were out of context. Don't just use one verse. Use the entirety of the chapter in context.
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(JOB) ROOT WORD “H340” (ETYMOLOGY) -TO BE AN ADVERSARY TO ANY ONE, TO PERSECUTE HIM AS AN ENEMY, TO HATE.
"John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (Including Job and his three friends)"
Where does it mention Job and his friends in that verse?
"Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God."
Who are three of the men here? Verse 12. "But there are some Jews whom you have set over the affairs of the province of Babylon—Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego—who pay no attention to you, Your Majesty. They neither serve your gods nor worship the image of gold you have set up.”
"Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,"
No mention of these men.
"1 Chronicles 27:18 Of Judah, Elihu, one of the brethren of David: of Issachar, Omri the son of Michael:"
This is unrelated to all of those verses. It's part of the army division. Verse 1. "Now the children of Israel after their number, to wit, the chief fathers and captains of thousands and hundreds, and their officers that served the king in any matter of the courses, which came in and went out month by month throughout all the months of the year, of every course were twenty and four thousand."
"100% Scripture. I do believe Elihu was an Angel! Do you believe?"
No, because those scriptures do not say that. You are falsely interpreting it. And their name translations do not prove anything. Also, Job doesn't mean adversary. It means hated/persecuted.
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Elihu = My God is He
Michael = Who is like God
Job = Hated - Adversary
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John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (Including Job and his three friends)
Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
1 Chronicles 27:18 Of Judah, Elihu, one of the brethren of David: of Issachar, Omri the son of Michael:
100% Scripture. I do believe Elihu was an Angel! Do you believe?
Where is your proof that Elihu is an angel?
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There is no need for me when correcting a brother in Christ like Dr. John H. Walton to brake down every sentence, word and cyllable that he cited incorrectly and tell him that his doctrine is wrong and for that he must be a false prophet. Is New Biblical information that he does not know just the same as you AF Mind and all this brought by the Holy Spirit. Here is the link on what Dr. Walton said that is wrong about the discourse of Elihu, (7min 30sec) - (8min) - (9min 30sec- 9min 50sec). He is not aware that Elihu is the Angel of Christ assigned to the tribe of the house of Judah to deliver a speech to Job and his friends. For sure Dr. Walton should repent for saying that Elihu is wrong about the nature of the policies of God and has inadequate theodocy and coherence on the basis of the justice of God. But in the other side of the coin he did say that Elihu has an appropriate and elevated view of God without knowing that is the Spirit of Christ speaking. https://youtu.be/NX9f9EgioPw
“my gift of interpretation came from heaven by the Holy Spirit.”
Christ claimed the same thing, yet he brought forth the evidence.
“Parallel to the story on earth there is another story happening at the same time on heaven.”
Where does scripture say that?
“Are Biblical Scholars awared 100% sure on which stories of the Bible are heavenly or earthly? Do you realize what is the meaning of the Book of Ecclesiastes?”
Ecclesiastes is a book about the analyzation of the meaning of life and the turmoil we as humans go through.
“"Jewish fables and commandments of men". MEN not MAN. Do you know that Bildad the "friend" of Job (Satan) in 18:3 refeers himself as a beast (unclean angel).”
Beast? Yes. Unclean angel? Show the verse.
“There is nothing wrong with your point of view, mostly stricked to the Hebrew understanding of things. Relax a little bit and let your heart with the grace of the Holy Spirit guide you to the truth of the Scriptures!”
I have done so. I ask that you start to do the same. What is wrong with using the Hebrew? Wouldn’t a true believer prove themselves by studying the original words? If we know the language we know what they’re really saying. Didn’t the disciples speak in the tongues of the other nations in Acts 2 so they could understand what they were saying?..
“John H. Walton’s for an NIV Application Commentary. I was just this past days listening to a video in YouTube from him about the Book of Job. Well this great Biblical Scholar affirms that what Elihu said about Job in his speech is all wrong. Do you agree that his doctrine is correct? I think is a big deal and blasphemy to say that what Christ said about Job in his speech is all wrong. "Elihu is the Spirit of Christ speaking to Job (Satan) and his friends before God the Father comes to talk to them out of a whirlwind"
I rightly divide the truth and examine each part. What he said in my comment is true, but I can’t speak the same about what he said on Job without seeing the video myself. Do you have the link?
“Genesis 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. AF Mind my tittle of this article reffers to the "clean" beasts. But i want to ask you the same question; Why do we have today unclean animals? Maybe reincarnation…”
Because the unclean animals were just that, animals. And what purpose would God have to get rid of all of these animals just to bring them back? Plus reincarnation isn’t in the Bible. Show me a verse saying someone’s soul was revived in the body with a different identity in the Bible.
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Genesis 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. AF Mind my tittle of this article reffers to the "clean" beasts. But i want to ask you the same question; Why do we have today unclean animals? Maybe reincarnation...
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AF Mind you mention John H. Walton’s for an NIV Application Commentary. I was just this past days listening to a video in YouTube from him about the Book of Job. Well this great Biblical Scholar affirms that what Elihu said about Job in his speech is all wrong. Do you agree that his doctrine is correct? I think is a big deal and blasphemy to say that what Christ said about Job in his speech is all wrong. "Elihu is the Spirit of Christ speaking to Job (Satan) and his friends before God the Father comes to talk to them out of a whirlwind"
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AF Mind, my gift of interpretation came from heaven by the Holy Spirit. This article 90% Scripture that i wrote do not change what hapenned during the flood in the days of Noah found in the Book of Genesis. Parallel to the story on earth there is another story happening at the same time on heaven. Are Biblical Scholars awared 100% sure on which stories of the Bible are heavenly or earthly? Do you realize what is the meaning of the Book of Ecclesiastes? "Jewish fables and commandments of men". MEN not MAN. Do you know that Bildad the "friend" of Job (Satan) in 18:3 refeers himself as a beast (unclean angel). There is nothing wrong with your point of view, mostly stricked to the Hebrew understanding of things. Relax a little bit and let your heart with the grace of the Holy Spirit guide you to the truth of the Scriptures!
You use Ezra 10 support this doctrine. Is Ezra talking about Genesis or something else?
Ezra 10 1-3
“Now when Ezra had prayed, and when he had confessed, weeping and casting himself down before the house of God, there assembled unto him out of Israel a very great congregation of men and women and children: for the people wept very sore.”
2 “And Shechaniah the son of Jehiel, one of the sons of Elam, answered and said unto Ezra, We have trespassed against our God, and have taken strange wives of the people of the land: yet now there is hope in Israel concerning this thing.”
3” Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all the wives, and such as are born of them, according to the counsel of my lord, and of those that tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law.”
This is not a reference to Genesis. The wives they took were foreign wives from the other nations who did not worship the Father. You also used Ecclesiastes 3 18 to say that it proves your point. Let’s examine the context.
“I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.”
But what does the next verse say?
“For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.”
What Ecclesiastes 3 18 is saying is that men are like the animals because both have the same fate. Everyone dies.
According to the Bible what were these unclean beasts? The same ones that are called unclean later on. ”The noun (H473 Remes) and the associated verb (rmś) each occur seventeen times in the Old Testament, ten times each in Genesis 1-9. This word group is distinct from both the wild (predatory) beasts and domestic flocks and herbs. Neither verb nor noun is ever used to refer to larger animals or to domesticated animals. In no place is remes (H743) a catch-all category for all creatures. It is one category of creature only. The division of the Hebrew terms used up to this point in Genesis reflects the nature of the animal. ”....These animals were typically characterized as being the prey of hunters and predatory beasts.”– John H. Walton’s, The NIV Application Commentary: Genesis (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 2001, pp. 341-342).
This is saying that this word does not mean every creature. In fact, it implies the exact opposite. According to this, the “remes” animals would include cattle, antelope, deer, gazelle, and other clean animals according to Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14. Noah was not allowed to eat all things. It was the exact opposite. It should state that every clean moving thing can be eaten. As we can see, this standard was applied to Noah and his sons, all of whom do not descend from the 12 Tribes since Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob would not be born for quite some time. To say that this only applies to them and that the Almighty did not hold the other nations up to this standard is incorrect. So if only clean animals and angels were taken, we would not have unclean animals today.
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