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Beyond Death: What the Bible Says

Updated on May 11, 2013
He could see his dead body!
He could see his dead body!
Where is this leading?
Where is this leading?

Between Death and the Two Resurrections

Heb 9:27 states, “And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment”, we know the Great White Throne judgment doesn’t appear to happen until after the thousand-year reign of Christ (Rev 20:7-12). Where do our souls exist in the meantime? Are we simply dead with no spiritual existence or do our souls survive our physical bodies to dwell someplace? Let’s look at what the Bible says.

Ecc 3:20-21 state "All go to the same place. All came from the dust and all return to the dust. Who knows that the breath of man ascends upward and the breath of the beast (animal) descends downward to the earth?" Well, animals have life, too ~ given to them by God, yet their breath returns to the earth when they die*. However, the breath of God made man a living soul (Gen 2:7); therefore, this breath that returns to God appears to be the soul of man. However, as we will see, the soul of man returning to God does not mean he will dwell in the kingdom of God, unless he is saved.

Psa 16:10, David says, "For Thou wilt not abandon my soul to Sheol (hell-Hades); neither wilt Thou allow Thy Holy One (Jesus) to see decay." However, in Acts 2:34, Paul states, "For it was not David who ascended [bodily] into heaven." Furthermore, Acts 13:36 states, "For David, after he had served the purpose of God in his own generation, fell asleep, and was laid among his fathers, and underwent decay;" The reason our bodies are said to be "asleep" is because our corruptible bodies have yet to be raised one day as incorruptible in the resurrection(s).

Understand that the word "ascended" is that of going upward into heaven. David's soul was not abandoned in the grave, yet his body saw corruption. We will get a better understanding of this as we read on...

The Apostle Paul said in 2 Cor 5:8, "We are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord." Some doctrinal teachings state that the soul stays with the body until it is resurrected. This is false, or Paul's statement is false. We cannot be absent from the body if we stay with our body at all times.

Here's a passage we must ALL consider! Who showed up in Mat 17:1-9 on the Mount of Transfiguration? And furthermore, had Jesus died yet? No! Surely, Jesus told Peter, James and John not to tell anyone about what they saw until after He was raised from the dead. Who did they see? MOSES and ELIJAH! Moses DIED long before Christ Jesus came to us (Deut 31). Elijah is said to have not died (2 Kings 2:11); Enoch is also recorded as having not died (Heb 11:5). I can guarantee you, Moses' bones were still in the grave when the transfiguration took place. So, to say there is no separation of soul/spirit from the dead body is absolutely FALSE. Truly, those saved in the Old Testament, before Christ died on the cross, were SAVED BY FAITH in the coming Messiah (Heb 11), just as we today are SAVED BY FAITH in the Messiah who came! Heb 9:26 "but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself."

In Rev Chapter 20, we see accounts of two separate resurrections of physical bodies. The first resurrection (the saints) happens when the dragon (Satan) is bound and cast into the “bottomless pit” (an abyss or a prison, well, pit) for a thousand years. This is also when the Antichrist and False Prophet are cast into the the Lake of Fire (Geenna). The second resurrection (the unsaved) happens after the thousand-year reign when the Great White Throne judgment takes place. Satan will then be cast into the Lake of Fire along with all those whose names are not written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

*Isaiah 11:6-9 There will be animals in heaven!

Welcome Home!
Welcome Home!

Those Who Die in Christ Jesus

Let's look at the words of Jesus in John 11:25-26: "Jesus said to her, 'I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?'"

Regarding those who have died and will die in Christ, we see three accounts of where saved souls abide after physical death. It’s a place called “Paradise” written about in the New Testament only. The original word for “Paradise” is the Greek word “paradeisos” (par-ad’-i-sos); of Oriental or. [comp. 6508]; a park, i.e. (spec.) an Eden (place of future happiness, “paradise”):-paradise.

Luke 23:43 is when Jesus said to the thief on the cross, “This day you shall be with Me in Paradise.” 2 Cor 12:4 states that Paul knew a man in Christ that was “caught up into Paradise”, also referred to as “the third heaven” in verse 2. And finally, in Rev 2:7, “To him who overcomes, I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the Paradise of God.” The tree of life is also described as being in the “holy city, the New Jerusalem” (Chapter 21).  Considering the New Jerusalem comes down drom God out of heaven after the final judgment, can you believe the saints who have gone before us are dwelling there NOW?

Paradise is a place of rest. In Dan 12:13, after revealing to him the end-time prophecies, the angel says to him, “But as for you, go your way to the end; then you [soul] will enter into rest [Paradise] and rise again [resurrection of body] for your allotted portion at the end of the age." We also see in Rev 6:11 that the souls of the saints cried out, impatient for God's vengeance upon the earth, in the presence of God and the Lamb, and are told to “rest for a little while longer…” Because this takes place before the wrath of God is poured out on the earth in the "Day of the Lord", this also contradicts teachings that man's soul is not in the presence of God while his/her body is "sleeping" (dead) in the grave.

I invite you to read my hub Our Heavenly Home!

Total separation from God and love.
Total separation from God and love.

Those Who Die Without Christ Jesus

Regarding those who have died and will die outside of Christ, Luke 16 tells us of a 'certain rich man' (sinner) who died and went to hell (Hades): "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom." You might consider this passage a parable. I don't believe it is, and here's why:

  • All parables are prefaced as such in the Bible. This passage is not.
  • Jesus explained the meanings of all parables to His disciples in the Bible. This passage is not explained further by Jesus.
  • All parables do not mention specific names or real people. This passage does. Jesus even goes so far as to say "certain rich man" and "certain beggar".

In the Old Testament, the Hebrew word “Sheowl” (sheh-ole’) translates the same as the New Testament Greek word Hades (hah’-dace). While Sheowl means Hades, its definition means “the world of the dead (as if a subterranean retreat), including its accessories and inmates: grave, hell, pit. The Greek word for Hades translates “the place (state) of departed souls:-grave, hell”.

There is some information regarding the “deepest abyss of Hades”, which is known as Tartaroo (tar-tar-o’-o). 1 Pet 2:2 states that this is where the fallen angels who sinned before the flood are incarcerated. In Rev 9:11, there is a king of this abyss whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon/Apollyon in Greek (a detroying angel [son of perdition], who is the second beast or Antichrist). This bottomless pit is shown to have a cover, that when opened releases not only “smoke of a great furnace” (verse 2), but "locusts" (verse 7-9). This is the same bottomless pit in which the dragon (the serpent of old, the devil and Satan) will be bound during the thousand-year reign of Christ (Rev 20:3). The dragon will then be released from it once again, for a short time, and cast into the Lake of Fire (Geenna), along with those in Hades and Tartaroo (second resurrection of those whose names are not found written in the Lamb's Book of Life).

For a thorough study of Hell, I invite you read my hub HELL: Sheowl, Hades, Tartaroo, Geenna; How to do an Inductive Bible Study and/or The Location of Hell.

John 20:27 "Then he said to Thomas, 'Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.'"
John 20:27 "Then he said to Thomas, 'Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.'"

Soul Meets Body

How can it be then, that our souls dwell either in Hades (hell) or Paradise, but our bodies have yet to be resurrected? Again, this is why there are so many scriptures that state dead people are merely "asleep". Dead bodies have no consciousness because the spirit is gone! The body is said to be "asleep" because all bodies will indeed be resurrected at the appointed time.

Rev 20:13 states, "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death [body] and Hades [soul] gave up the dead which were in them..." Death is speaking of physical bodies, which are in an earthly grave or buried in the sea.

The Bible says that upon resurrection, all corruptible (or corrupted) bodies will be changed into spiritual bodies (incorruptible) “in a twinkling of an eye” (1 Cor 15:52). Let's look at where Jesus' soul went while his physical, dead body was in the tomb. Eph 4:9 states, "'He ascended', what does that mean except that He also had descended into the lower parts of the earth?' He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above the heavens, that He might fill all things." We know Jesus was not buried in the "lower parts of the earth". He was in a tomb.

What was He doing in the lower parts of the earth? In 1 Pet 3:19 the Bible states, "...He went and made proclamation (not 'preached') to the spirits (fallen angels that sinned prior to the flood) now in prison (Tartaroo),..." He proclaimed His victory that indeed He was not dead! He did this before He ascended. Therefore, His Spirit was reunited with his physical body (there is no body of Jesus to be found!) on the third day.

  • If you question as to whether the spirits imprisoned in Tartaroo were fallen angels, 2 Pet 2:4 confirms this: "For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell (Tartaroo) and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;" and also Jude 1:6: "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

Jesus was indeed resurrected in a physical body, one that could be touched (John 20:27). He even ate with the disciples (John 21:12-15). However, notice He appeared in an upper room that had locked doors (John 20:26) and also as a stranger, in "another form" in Mark 16:12.  Based on these passages, Jesus’ body was indeed changed upon His resurrection and ascension into heaven. This is also confirmed in 1 Cor 15:42 "So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown (buried) a perishable body, it is raised (resurrected) an imperishable body."

The New Heaven and New Earth
The New Heaven and New Earth
The Lake of Fire with the devil, his angels, the beast and false prophet
The Lake of Fire with the devil, his angels, the beast and false prophet

The Final Destinations

The Lake of Fire, which is the final destination for the second beast (Antichrist/son of perdition) and the false prophet (at the time of the thousand-year reign of Christ), and then for the dragon (the serpent of old, the devil and Satan) and those people whose names are not found in the Lamb’s Book of Life (at the Great White Throne judgment) is actually Geenna (gheh’-en-nah) used as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment: - hell. Mark 9:49 describes it based on Isa 66:24, “where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.” Rev 14:10-11 also state, "...he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

The final destination for believers (saints) is the NEW Jerusalem (even now) and the NEW earth. Again, the Holy City comes down from God out of heaven to the New Earth, where the saints will continually come in and go out day and night to worship our LORD. This New Earth is a beautiful place of peace and worship, as it was in the beginning. For more information about the "first heaven and earth" and the "NEW heaven and earth" and those who dwell there, I invite you again to read my hub Our Heavenly Home!

Rev 21 states that “He shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there shall no longer be any death; there shall no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.” Chapter 22 states that there shall no longer be any curse; and the throne [singlular] of God and [kai - even, also, namely] of the Lamb shall be in it, and His bond-servants shall serve Him, and they shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads.


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      3 years ago from U.S.A.

      Thank you for your kind words. Yes it most definitely is a rare experience and chance I was given. It was odd because before I died I was expecting to see heaven and white tunnels because of why I was doing it but it was nothing like I expected or imagined it would be. I don't share this very often (only with about 15-20 people over 5 years) but I have felt the need as of late because so many doubt a dark residence after death. I believe wholeheartedly that God was protecting me from fear when I was there because there was a moment where I got this overwhelming sense that I should be terrified. There is so much more to this story...unbelievable really. It has changed my life and brought me much closer to God. None of His sheep will perish. If they go astray He pulls them back onto the narrow path. What an amazing God we have! He is the only one who has always been there for me, my trust in Him is strong. I am still figuring out His purpose for me (there must be one if He pulled me out of death). Perhaps that mental health connection has something to do with my purpose. I hope your journey is also very blessed. I pray we all continue to grow in truth and grace.

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      Judah's Daughter 

      3 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Wow, firework23 - I value your testimony as a precious pearl. Surely, you are filled with compassion for others who seek to take their own lives in deep despair. Having seen the unfathomable despair beyond the grave puts life in perspective, doesn't it? God is so faithful to His beloved creation, those He gave His life on that cross to save/deliver from such! May we stay focused on Christ and trust Him to watch over us every step of the way on our journey in this world, until that Day when we are joined together with Him in heaven forevermore. He's got a purpose for you, and you're living it now, firework23. Thank you for your testimony and blessings on your journey! You're never alone, for your Savior has gone before you in everything. Trust Him, for He alone is Trustworthy!!

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      3 years ago from U.S.A.

      First I would like to say that I find your posts to be a breath of fresh air because all of what I have read thus far meshes smoothly with what I was taught by the Holy Spirit through the Bible and nudgings.

      Also, I believe you are spot on with heaven and hell. I actually went to the dark gathering place which looked like a gloomy city in the distance from this bridge I was standing on. Mind you, I thought God wanted me to end my life so after some fighting it (because I wanted to live) I ended up doing it. God would not let me go farther than where I began on that bridge but pulled me back to life with His righteous right hand. There were pitch black shadow people (with only shapes of eyes and a mouth) telling me telepathically to walk toward them. I should have died but by the end of the day I was perfectly normal having never gone to the doctor. I say all this to validate your statements about shoell. The first place I went to was the darkest black everywhere. These beings were of the same deep black. I can tell any reading that this was not a dream. It was more real than life here. I am grateful that God saved me...I love Him.

      I look forward to reading your other topics. God bless you :-)

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      Judah's Daughter 

      5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      So Loretta, I began watching your video link, but cannot subject myself to where it's headed (false teaching). Don't think I haven't engaged in debate over death and hell and what it means. Did Adam and Eve die immediately after they sinned in the Garden? Not physically, but spiritually yes. They eventually died physically.

      You can observe that while Jesus' body was in the tomb, His Spirit was making proclamation to the "spirits now in prison" (Hades, Tartaroo to be exact), those angels who sinned in the days of Noah (1 Pet 3:19-20). It is Jewish custom to proclaim victory over one's enemies when the battle is won. Jesus also said He would raise up His own body, which He did (John 2:19-21). How is that possible, if His Spirit were in the tomb, dead as His body was?

      I recommend two hubs I've written regarding Hell (a word study on all the different uses and contexts) and Jesus supposedly "preaching" (as in to save all those who died before He did) in Hell, which of course, is not what He did. I hope you will glean something more useful from these than I did from the link you provided.

      Let me give you this scripture, so you can ponder whether Jesus spoke the Truth or a Lie? John 11:25-26 "Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live EVEN if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will NEVER die. Do you believe this?"

      Likewise, you must note that after the Antichrist (beast) and False Prophet are cast into the Lake of Fire at the beginning of the thousand-year reign of Christ and His saints, the Devil is locked up in Hades (hell) until that period of time is over. The Devil is then released for a short time and cast into the Lake of Fire "where the beast (Antichrist) and False Prophet ARE" - so the Antichrist and False Prophet ARE yet in the Lake of Fire a thousand years later, when Satan joins them. (Rev 19:20; 20:1-10).

      Here are the links: Hell, a word study/context

      Did Jesus Preach in Hell?

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      5 years ago

      The bible is very explicit and clear about the state of death:

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      Judah's Daughter 

      7 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Hi eddy, Read Rev 19:20-20:10 and ask yourself, are there still false prophets and antichrists today? Is Satan still running rampant? Has the first resurrection of the saints happened (as the resurrection of our Lord, Jesus Christ)? If the answer to the first question is YES and the second NO, then we are NOT in the millennial reign, let alone the final judgment, which is AFTER the millennial reign, when the unbelievers are resurrected (the second resurrection) to face that judgment and subsequent sentencing to the 'Lake of Fire' (Rev 20:11-15). God bless.

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      7 years ago

      What about the thought that since Christ is in Heaven we are in the millenial rein and when he comes the world wil be destroyed and a new one made

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      Judah's Daughter 

      7 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Thank you Ibeabuchi, yes ~ we won't be sitting on a cloud somewhere after physical death. God created earth as our dwelling place, and while this present earth's 'Paradise' (Garden) is under water (probably since the Great flood) the current Paradise is written to be located in the third heaven. Is it on the New Earth now? The Bible clearly states there will be a new heaven and an earth where we will dwell forever, as it was designed to be in the beginning.

      Bless you!!!

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      7 years ago

      I always your articles interesting!

      You write out of carefully researched word with Biblical passages to support your view.

      I have wondered on the issues. of New Heaven and New Earth. It seems from this article that Saints will eternally dwell on the New Earth not Heaven.

      Great hub, I vote it up!

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      Judah's Daughter 

      8 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Hi sister Dee! Yes, so much to look forward to!!! Just as God created Adam and Eve to rule over the earth, we are/will be restored to that position. Let's type those passages out, because they are awesome!

      1 Cor 6:2 (and 3): "Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts? Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life?"

      Rev 3:21 "'He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne."

      Rev 20:4 "Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years."

      Dan 7:(18) & 22 "But the saints of the Most High will receive the kingdom and will possess it forever--yes, for ever and ever"..."until the Ancient of Days came and judgment was passed in favor of the saints of the Highest One, and the time arrived when the saints took possession of the kingdom."

      Yes, I think the parable of the talents would apply. And, while many interpret this to be about 'money', may I suggest Galatians 6:8 "For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life." Let us invest all that the Spirit gives us and bear fruit, for the unfruitful branch will be cut off (Mat 3:10; John 15:2, 6, Rom 11). And that fruit is...the fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5:22). Amen and amen!!

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      Deidre Shelden 

      8 years ago from Texas, USA

      We sure have a lot to look forward to, don't we! :) I'm wondering, do you think we will be helping Christ rule during the 1,000 year reign? 1Co 6:2; Rev 3:21, 20:4; Dan 7:22. The parable of the talents seems to imply this, too, with Mat 25:21 (also 24:45, 47). What do you think?

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      Judah's Daughter 

      8 years ago from Roseville, CA

      NOYB, I suppose I could say NOYB, but I will choose the true answer, which is none of the above. I didn't know love until I experienced the love of Christ and I never want to live outside of that love; it's the purest love there is and fills me with joy, peace, contentment, assurance, safety, hope, and ability to love myself and others. I was only in third grade when I experienced the love of Christ through others and in my heart. I couldn't have been happier to know such love existed. It made me whole.

      You may not think a third-grader could understand such love, but I was born in poverty, in foster homes, suffered the selfish abuse of alcoholics and pedophiles, being beaten, negleted and unloved. If that is 'hell' I am thankful Jesus saved me and filled me with His love. Ever since, no matter what 'hell' happened/happens in this world, I am never without my very best Friend. I hope you find Him, for you will never be the same again.

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      8 years ago

      Multiple choice quiz for you, jd, with only 3 possible answers: The REAL reason(s) that you "choose" to follow Christ is/are:

      A) You don't want to be thrown into fire and roast like a rotisserie chicken for all eternity (forever+ever).

      B) You're looking out for #1(yourself) and want to spend all eternity (forever+ever) in bliss.

      C) Both A & B

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      Judah's Daughter 

      8 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Starbuck bsg, Acts 28:27 "For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them."

      I can only give you a mustard seed. Only God can grow it, depending on the soil of your heart (Mat 13). Ez 36:26 "Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh."

      Do you know that the Greek word for Jehovah is Kurios? Look at Rom 10:9 "if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord [Kurios], and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." And 1 Cor 12:3 "no one can say, 'Jesus is Lord [Kurios],' except by the Holy Spirit."

      2 Cor 6:2 "for He says, 'At the acceptable time I listened to you, and on the day of salvation I helped you.' Behold, now is 'the acceptable time,' behold, now is 'the day of salvation'--"

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      Judah's Daughter 

      9 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Solnyshka, You are RIGHT ON THE MARK. I, too have presented the fact that all parables are pefaced as such in the Bible and actual names were used by Jesus. Lazarus, Moses and the prophets...perhaps the rich man was "nameless" because his name was obviously not written in the Lamb's Book of Life. He would have been one to which the Lord said, "Depart from Me, for I never knew you". You are a blessing, Solnyshka!! You know the truth and are set free in Jesus' Name! Praise God!! Have a beautiful day! Thank you so much for your awesome comment!!!

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      9 years ago from North Carolina

      I enjoyed reading this and commend your thoughtful and studied commentary on the subject. I agree with you wholeheartedly, as anyone who knows the truth of God's Word would. I recently had someone tell me that the account of the rich man & Lazarus, in Luke, was merely a parable. First, the Scriptures don't call it a parable, as it does other parables. Secondly, if it were then why would God use proper nouns, people's actual names, to describe that state in which actual people are in? Wouldn't that be considered lying? And our gracious God who DESIRES for all men to be saved, and who DESIRES to clear up his plan on salvation for us...would He be so tricky, so careless as to actually go so far as to describe the torment of Hades if it weren't true? What would Jesus' motive be in that? To use a scare tactic with us? NO! Jesus said what He said because it's true, and anyone who claims it's only a parable is #1 - adding to Scripture...#2 - not taking Jesus at His word. Thank you for such bold TRUTH!

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      Judah's Daughter 

      9 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Hello, Sanctus :-) You know I care for you, right? I'm glad we can respect each other in that you love to delve into the scriptures as much as I do :-) Will you consider that King David did not ascend bodily into heaven? Will anyone ascend bodily into heaven? According to Revelation, the millennial reign is on earth; the new Jerusalem comes down to us out of the heavens. The saints will dwell in the new earth (with the new heaven) immortally. This would make the entirety of these passages consistent and sensible.

      Enoch and Elijah are two prophets (messengers) that did not see death, the Bible says. Makes me wonder if they weren't actually angels in the flesh, as no man has ascended into heaven, but the Lord Jesus (bodily). That will remain a mystery. Some think it will be these two that are the two final witnesses to come. John the Baptist is said to have been the spirit of Elijah (Mat 11:14), and Malachi 4:5 prophesies "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD". Fascinating.

      You might find my hub "Is Everyone Possessed" (just a catchy title) an interesting read :-)

      I understand that, if you were to believe in the immortal soul, that would lead to the reasonable conclusion that those outside of Christ must dwell someplace also, until the final Judgment Seat, which takes place after the millennial reign. I realize you don't believe in hell (Hades or Geenna) as a place of immortal and ongoing torment...I am praying for you.

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      Sanctus Vesania 

      9 years ago

      So in other words let's go ahead and completely ignore the Old Testament? And don't say "That's not what I said!" because in fact it is.

      "Let's not just use OT passages"

      Even the NT states that King David is not ascended into Heaven. It states that nobody has ascended to Heaven except for Jesus Christ.

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      Judah's Daughter 

      9 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Let's not just use OT passages, for Jesus spoke of hell more than anyone. If you are so inclined to read my study results on the topic of hell, here are two hub links:

      Peace to you.

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      9 years ago from Wales, UK

      You choose to ignore the whole of scripture regarding Sheol/Hades and everything David and Solomon and to say about death in order to support your unscriptural view of a tormenting Hades borrowed from Greek mythology, and a pagan vew of the nature of man. It's not your fault, you have been brought up in a church tradition that has expunded these views for at least the last 1600 years.

      I too once accpted these doctrines without question until I decided to take another look atscripture with a fresh eyes approach. Wen we put aside our man made doctrines, the Lord is free then to show us His truth through His word.

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      Judah's Daughter 

      9 years ago from Roseville, CA

      I read your hub that "challenges" this and it is full of selecting one verse while neglecting others. It's also full of your carnal interpretation (as in Satan's words "you shall not surely die"). God was speaking of a physical and spiritual death. All die physically, but spiritual death is that of hell (Hades) until the Day of Judgment to hell (Geenna). Even the demons are alive and well on this earth until the appointed time of the judgment (Geenna): Ref: Mat 8:29.

      Consider the fact you called Jesus' account of the rich man and Lazarus a parable. Ok ~ let's assume this is speaking about the future heaven and hell (which occurs after the resurrections). Notice the word used in Jesus' parable for hell is "Hades" (aka Sheol). Neither of these words occur in the Bible after the resurrection; only Geenna (the Lake of Fire). Jesus surely should have used Geenna in His "parable", if that's what He was speaking of.

      Now consider Rev 17:14 “These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful." Cross-reference this with those who return with Christ to fight the battle of Har-Magedon (not Gog and Magog, which is after the millennial reign) in Rev 19:14 “And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses.” The first of the two resurrections happens in Rev 20:4-5 (at the beginning of the millennial reign) “They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed.”

      Have the joy and hope of never being absent from the Lord. If you are saved, this should bring comfort to you; if you are not saved, there is no comfort in resting, for there is no rest for the soul/spirit in Hades or Geenna (Rev 14:11). The body (not the soul/spirit) is said to be asleep (which means dead) because it will indeed be resurrected as immortal, incorruptible ~ either to life everlasting or eternal anathema.

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      9 years ago from Wales, UK

      So full of issues that to wrie them all here would be silly. I'll have to put together a hub to challenge this. Suffice to say, the only thing I think I can agree with is that those not in Christ will end up in the LoF, whatever tht might actually be.

    • Judah's Daughter profile imageAUTHOR

      Judah's Daughter 

      10 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Thank you pastor. It's so awesome to have the confirmation of the Word through His saints. God bless you and love to you always!!

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      Pastor Dr Carlotta Boles 

      10 years ago from BREAKOUT MINISTRIES, INC. KC

      GREAT GREAT HUB!!! I appreciate your studies in presenting this Hub and may God Bless you for it!!!! Much Love To You!!!


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