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Politician's Using The Scriptures To Deceive

Updated on October 27, 2018
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Betty has been studying the Bible for over 17 years. She has been sharing her personal studies since 2005

Politicians Using the Bible Deceptively

Using the Bible to intimidate Christians.
Using the Bible to intimidate Christians. | Source

John Kasich's Word

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Mr. Kasich said this recently as reported by Daily Wire. He's not the only politician who has recently declared God's wants, God's will, or what God's words mean.

This is one of the reasons that it's so important that Christians have a good understanding of what God's word actually says. Jesus said, "My sheep know my voice..." When we, as believers hear a false statement, we know it. We hear what is being said, and we judge it by what God's word says.

It is foolishness to assume that everyone loves our nation, and that everyone who comes into the USA is our friend.

In the scriptures, Israel had many enemies. They were not only taken into captivity by the Babylonians, they were in several battles, and they were also occupied by Rome during the time that Jesus Himself walked this earth.

Paul tells us to rightly divide God's word. Rightly dividing doesn't involve removing scriptures completely. Rightly dividing gives us a full picture of every situation we, as believers may face.

When Jesus was tempted in the wilderness, every single answer He gave began with, "It is written." That is a clear message to all of us that we should also know God's word, so that we can also answer during times of temptation, just like Jesus did.

Why Israel Was Carried Away into Babylon

The Bible tells us that God is the same yesterday, today and forever. Searching the scriptures prayerfully for the answers to all our questions, involves the entire Bible.

Most people are familiar with the story of Daniel and the lion's den, which took place in Babylon after Israel had been in captivity there for many years.

Earlier in the scriptures, God had given a clear warnings about the outcome the nation of Israel would face if they walked contrary to His instruction. (Leviticus Ch. 26) very clearly shows the circumstances that led to their own captivity.

A Look At Some Of The Benefits Of Abiding in God's Word, And Consequences Of Walking Contrary To God

Benefits
Consequences
Leviticus 26:4 Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.
Leviticus 26:16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.
Leviticus 26:5 And your threshing shall reach unto the vintage, and the vintage shall reach unto the sowing time: and ye shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely.
Leviticus 26:17 And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.
Leviticus 26:6 And I will give peace in the land, and ye shall lie down, and none shall make you afraid: and I will rid evil beasts out of the land, neither shall the sword go through your land.
Leviticus 26:19 And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:
"If you walk contrary to ME, I will walk contrary to you." ~God's Word

The Return to Israel

Out of Captivity
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Israel's Captivity, And Return To Their Homeland

Israel had spent many years walking contrary to God, and this resulted in worse and worse conditions right up to the nation of Israel being taken into captivity.

God used King Cyrus to free the Israelite people from Babylon and to restore the temple in their homeland. The book of Ezra Ch. 1, 1-10, gives the details of the decree made by King Cyrus.

Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying, Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The LORD God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Ezra 1:1-2

Further on into the book of Ezra, the people had finished laying the foundation of the temple and they rejoiced. They had a lot to rejoice over!

And they sang together by course in praising and giving thanks unto the LORD; because he is good, for his mercy endureth for ever toward Israel. And all the people shouted with a great shout, when they praised the LORD, because the foundation of the house of the LORD was laid. Ezra 3:11

Nehemiah's Wall

A photo of the actual wall spoken of in the book of Nehemiah.
A photo of the actual wall spoken of in the book of Nehemiah. | Source

Building The Wall

Many years after Israel had been invaded by the Babylonians and taken into captivity. God used King Cyrus to set them free.

King Cyrus had no idea that the true living God was using him for a great purpose.

The book of Isaiah goes into the prophecy about king Cyrus long before he went to battle with Babylon.

Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut: Isaiah 45:1

There is a very important statement in the above verse. Notice that God opened up the gates of city so that they would be invaded and lost in the battle that King Cyrus led.

The bible has much to say about cities that have, and do not have walls.

God compares our walk in Him in the same way that he describes cities without walls.

Proverbs 24:30 I went by the field of the slothful, and by the vineyard of the man void of understanding; And, lo, it was all grown over with thorns, and nettles had covered the face thereof, and the stone wall thereof was broken down. Proverbs 24:30-31

When we abide in God's word, there is a hedge of protection, (or a wall) around us that protects us from our enemies.

When the nation of Israel abode in God's word, the cities were walled. When they walked contrary to God, not only did their walls crumble, but so did their nation.

In this world there has always been wars, battles, and deceit. God's word calls for kinds, without a doubt. But God also tells us to walk in wisdom, according to His word.

Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding. Proverbs 4:7

As with the case of politicians trying to manipulate people and using God's word to do it here is the solution.

It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. Psalms 118:8

"Even Heaven has walls, gates, and strict vetting." ~Donald Trump

"Hell is the only place with open boarders." ~Several Believers

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  • Annkf profile imageAUTHOR

    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    Leland Johnson,

    Thank you for your sincere response it's much appreciated.

    I'm sorry to hear about your friend. I've been dealing with some similar issues that were very hurtful as well, so I can relate.

    Sometimes answers do take time. I love what you said, "Keep asking, keep seeking, and keep knocking."

    I'll add you and that situation to my prayers. Please add me to your prayers too.

    God bless you Leland

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    Leland Johnson 

    11 months ago from Midland MI

    Betty- I can agree with much of what you said. Regarding the Matthew 7:8 quote. In the original Greek the phrasing would read, "Keep asking, keep seeking, and keep knocking." My point is that when God is silent we shouldn't give up, shouldn't lose hope. I've had friends say, "I've tried praying, but it didn't work. Nothing happened." My thought is that they didn't wait long enough or their prayer may not have been sincere. One thing is certain- the problem isn't with God. I think we'd agree on that point. I've been praying for a certain loved one that is very angry with me and has kicked me out of his life. I was praying the other day and just asked God to open a door when the time is right. Forgive me, but I'm kind of a nit-picker when it comes to words- When you say God always answers prayers you left out that the answer may take years to come. In Abraham's case it didn't come until 400 years after he died. It isn't that God doesn't answer prayers- I would never say or imply that. But it might take time and if it does, we have to wait. I would ask this respectfully- has God really answered every prayer you ever prayed? Sometimes, as it was with His own Son, He is silent. I don't mean to pick on you, and I sincerely appreciate your zeal for the Lord. It's just that saying God always answers prayers seems to me to carry the attitude of a catch phrase??? Maybe it has to do with my religious baggage more than your actual words. At any rate, thank you for your considered, humble, respectful response. It truly is appreciated. :)

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    Elijah A Alexander Jr,

    Forgive me for not responding yet. I'm doing several things here at home, and trying to keep up here at the same time.

    I will get to it, hopefully before the day ends.

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    Leland,

    "I don't think God answers "every single time."

    He certainly does answer. See God knows our hearts even better than we do. He knows what we can "bear," and what we can't.

    John 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

    Sometimes answers come right away. Sometimes there's more to understand before questions are answered. In those cases, we can not yet bear the response.

    It's like a building up on the sure foundation. Jesus is the Chief Corner stone.

    Paul said something similar.

    1 Corinthians 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

    We grow up, and mature. From the milk of the word to the meat of the word.

    Trusting that God will answer, because He knows what we can bear. He does answer every time.

    That is actually a promise to everyone who seeks.

    Matthew 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    Leland Johnson if that's how I'm coming across, I will work on that, because that is not my intention.

    My heart is completely set on encouraging others to study the scriptures in Christ.

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    One more passage for you to consider Leland,

    I shared it earlier, but here it is again.

    2 Corinthians 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

    2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

    Do you see the difference in how God's word is studied in Christ and how they are studied outside of Him?

    I know an atheist who actually knows what the bible says more than a lot of people. He sifts through the scriptures looking for ways to disprove them.

    He's actually very good at what he does on a natural level.

    But hearing him as he speaks, he does not have the eyes to see or the ears to hear.

    We should, as believers.

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    Leland,

    Betty- "Oswald Chambers made a good point germaine to our conversation. He said, "It is important to remember that we worship the author of the bible, not the bible itself."

    Oh my Leland, I worship God as I study His word prayerfully.

    I like Oswald Chambers, I have his daily devotionals right here on my desk. I recently bought a copy for my mother.

    I think that what you are doing by implying that I "worship the bible," is wrong.

    You are not the first person I've heard says this, and I've found that most who say it, are not people who "study to show themselves approved unto God..."

    I'm not saying that is the case with you, but it's an argument and an excuse to put God's word aside. Which is something I will never do. I already know that when we study prayerfully, and ask Him questions as we do, He answers every single time.

    Jesus told the truth when He said, "Seek and you shall find, knock and the door shall be opened unto you."

    Everyone who seeks finds, and to everyone who knocks the door is opened.

    I also must say that throughout the bible, when God's instruction was neglected, that is when the people fell into sin. It happened over and over in Israel.

    The Pharisees were making their own laws.Of course they were. They did not have the vail removed, like Paul said. They were interpreting scriptures by themselves, not by revelation.

    Here is what Jesus said to them.

    Matthew 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

    Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

    You see Leland, when God speaks, what He says is living, which is why the written word is living.

    Read this verse very carefully:

    Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

    See, God's written word, when we are studying it, God is looking at our hearts. He knows our intentions, and our desires, whether it is to understand and draw near to Him, or whether it's to discount His word.

    God has the power to open our eyes to what is written, he also has the power to "vail,' our eyes. So our intentions are of the utmost importance.

    Let's break down that verse.

    For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow,

    Of course God's word is living. We can go all the way back to Genesis Ch. 1. Everything that God said, "Let there be light, and there was light," everything happened.

    You can look outside and see the sky, the trees, the grass the clouds, all are the result of God speaking.

    His word is living. Infact, all things are sustained by His word.

    Nehemiah 9:21 Yea, forty years didst thou sustain them in the wilderness, so that they lacked nothing; their clothes waxed not old, and their feet swelled not.

    Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

    Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

    The word "consist," from the above verse is defined in Strong's Concordance as:

    1) to place together, to set in the same place, to bring or band together

    1a) to stand with (or near)

    2) to set one with another

    2a) by way of presenting or introducing him

    2b) to comprehend

    3) to put together by way of composition or combination, to teach by combining and comparing

    3a) to show, prove, establish, exhibit

    4) to put together, unite parts into one whole

    4a) to be composed of, consist

    I hope we can agree on that.

    Next: 2nd part of the verse:

    "and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart."

    While we are studying God's word, our thoughts and intents are actually "discerned."

    One last point.

    There is not one single verse that shows that anyone was ever punished, or suffered for searching and studying the scriptures. In fact, when scriptures were neglected, that is when people and the nation of Israel fell into trouble.

    There is not one verse where God chastened a person for studying the scriptures and seeking Him with all their heart, mind and strength.

    There are many about those who didn't.

    God also never called study of the scriptures, "Idolatry."

    Not one single time.

    I do see what you're getting at. I have had this conversation with others.

    God's word is the seed.

    Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

    We can plant the seed, or plant doubt.

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    Elijah A Alexander Jr,

    I'm a bit confused by what you said,

    "Didn't Jesus say "the kingdom of heaven is within us" (Lk. 17:21) and the Psalms "heaven is God's throne"? So hasn't most of Christianity has been Satan deceived by Paul's conversing voice being heard by others than himself. If Jesus' words are true only the one intended to be corrected would have heard it, don't you think?

    Could you elaborate a little more?

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    Elijah A Alexander Jr 

    11 months ago from Washington DC

    Betty, you said "The coming of the lawless one is apparent in the working of Satan, who uses all power, signs, lying wonders, and every kind of wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved."

    Didn't Jesus say "the kingdom of heaven is within us" (Lk. 17:21) and the Psalms "heaven is God's throne"? So hasn't most of Christianity has been Satan deceived by Paul's conversing voice being heard by others than himself. If Jesus' words are true only the one intended to be corrected would have heard it, don't you think?

    Just "food for thought."

    Peace.

    Leland,

    The constitution had already addressed all of the problems that should come up, including denouncing the "3/5th of a man" clause and "slavery" as a punishment for a crime written therein, when we read all Articles and first 10 Amendments. That eliminates all political parties as a nation because any divisions can not perfect unity.

    I'm not separating the Bible from American Politics since the US is the most prophesied nation in the Bible beginning with Genesis 49:1 & 8-12.

    https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/The-USA-I...

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    11 months ago from now on

    And so Leland, you have just proved my point. It all depends on how you define "politics" which you have demonstrated it appears there are various definitions leaving it to the eye of the beholder which makes this entire discussion mute unless we are all on the same page.

    I see your reasoning which seems sound based on your definition however I doubt very many people define politics in the manner of which you do. Can you refer me to such a definition other than your impression of what is meant today by the word politics? On the other hand the dictionary definition is a universal one most people would ascribe to.

    Thank you for a very enlightening discussion, you are definitely a truth seeker! I only wish more people were as tenaciously scrutinizing as you are.

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    When we accept Jesus into our hearts, we don't suddenly know and understand all things. We press on, we grow and we mature in Him.

    When I repented and called out to Jesus, I heard, "Fill up on the word." That's what I will do until my last breath.

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    "I'm not trying to split a hair here Betty, but I would take your statement about Scripture a step further. It isn't just showing people "what" the Bible says. That has been the source of endless banter and argument and counter-argument since there has been Scripture in existence. Jesus even said to the Pharisees, "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have life, and it is these that bear witness of me yet you refuse to come to me that you might have life." It usually isn't a matter of what the Scriptures say, it's a matter of what they mean. The Pharisees had the Scriptures and so did the Saducees. Neither group benefitted from them because they would not accept its meaning."

    That passage is in no way saying that we should not search the Scriptures. I hear so many people use that passage, but they never go further. Many simply don't believe that they need to study and press on.

    Let's start with the passage itself.

    John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

    John 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

    John 5:41 I receive not honour from men.

    John 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.

    John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

    John 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

    John 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

    John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.

    He was NOT telling them to not search the scriptures, he was telling them that they did not accept him or even believe Moses. Moses wrote about HIM.

    To confirm this, Jesus also told them, "if you continue in my word, you are my disciple indeed, and you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.'

    Read Philippians ch. 3. Paul gives his own account about pressing into the word in Christ. His own example.

    Philippians 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

    Philippians 3:13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

    Philippians 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

    Accepting Jesus is just the beginning. We grow and mature in Him, how? From the milk of the word to the meat of the word.

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    Leland Johnson,

    Justice a a huge biblical principle.

    So is Judgement. Even our justice systems uses the image of the "scales of justice."

    It all has applications that are contained within the scriptures.

    I'm not trying to split a hair here Betty, but I would take your statement about Scripture a step further. It isn't just showing people "what" the Bible says. That has been the source of endless banter and argument and counter-argument since there has been Scripture in existence. Jesus even said to the Pharisees, "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have life, and it is these that bear witness of me yet you refuse to come to me that you might have life." It usually isn't a matter of what the Scriptures say, it's a matter of what they mean. The Pharisees had the Scriptures and so did the Saducees. Neither group benefitted from them because they would not accept its meaning.

    I'm sorry Leland, but that is not the correct context. I only have five minutes to edict this, so I'll continue with the reasoning in a new response.

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    Leland Johnson 

    11 months ago from Midland MI

    T- defining politics, depending on what route you want to take, may be tricky, but I'll define it the way I like to define words- namely through word study. The word itself literally means "city-science." We interpret that as "the way to run a city full of people, by using our senses and science." I know that might seem like a stretch, but please bear with me and I'll get to my point. Another interesting word to define is the word "media." Today people think of "the media" as news outlets and organizations, but in Latin it simply means "middle," which is why we have a "median" in the middle of the road. It is to be neither left or right (an interesting play on words given our media's obvious political biases) This definition really should fit when it comes to journalists- the should be middle/media/neither left or right, agreed? What does that have to do with defining "politics?" I see it this way. Politics, according to the Greek origin as well as our current understanding of the word, means to solve problems regionally by the use of science, common sense, and compromise. None of those things have room for the wisdom of God. It wasn't common sense or compromise for Lincoln to free the slaves; for Lincoln it was a matter of right and wrong. He even said in his second inaugural address "This war is a punishment for the sin of slavery." Those are not political words, not words designed to help us all get along. They were a matter of justice, right and wrong. Lincoln had a vision and a mission from God just as Moses did, it was no less significant. God does not rule from the heavenlies per political fiat or opinion- that's something else politics implies- opinions. I never said there is no such thing as politics in the bible, I am saying God operates how He will according to His purposes and His people must get behind Him on that. ( if we don't how could we keep hope alive when presidents like B. Obama and B. Clinton are elected?) Great advances in humanity are never the result of politics, but great men and women following the vision God has given them. We could mention the Founders of our own country and try to direct them into a political box, but I think that isn't correct. Read their biographies, the Federalist papers, etc and what we see isn't men absorbed in political thinking, but in spiritual thinking. Several of them were ordained ministers. Are politics involved? Absolutely, no way around that. It's the way humans interact. I just want to get away from statements as far flung in the other direction as Kasichs, ie something like "God wants this wall built because of..." whatever. We make our case for building the wall on the principles of justice God has provided just as we support or oppose all legislations. I'm not trying to split a hair here Betty, but I would take your statement about Scripture a step further. It isn't just showing people "what" the Bible says. That has been the source of endless banter and argument and counter-argument since there has been Scripture in existence. Jesus even said to the Pharisees, "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have life, and it is these that bear witness of me yet you refuse to come to me that you might have life." It usually isn't a matter of what the Scriptures say, it's a matter of what they mean. The Pharisees had the Scriptures and so did the Saducees. Neither group benefitted from them because they would not accept its meaning.

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    Elijah A Alexander Jr

    While I disagree on your take about who president Trump is, I'd like to show you what scriptures say about the man of sin.

    First, let's look closely at the verse that mentions that phrase:

    Man of sin. The man of sin (Greek: ὁ ἄνθρωπος τῆς ἀνομίας, ho anthrōpos tēs anomias; also translated "man of lawlessness") is a figure referred to in the Christian Bible in the Second Epistle to the Thessalonians. He is usually equated with the Antichrist in Christian eschatology.

    While President Trump stands for the rule of law, the other side is actually pushing for lawlessness, no borders, abortion, homosexuality. We've all been seeing the results of "lawlessness."

    Globalism is Satanic, and nations that were once Christian nations are quickly becoming Islamic nations. Does anyone actually believe that freely accepting people of other nations and beliefs is God's will?

    God's will is that all should come to the knowledge of the truth.

    God spoke about not mixing truth with lies.

    God told Israel not to even learn about the false gods of the nations that surrounded them.

    Paul said that there would be a "great falling away," before the day of the Lord.

    The coming of the lawless one is apparent in the working of Satan, who uses all power, signs, lying wonders, and every kind of wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved (2 Thessalonians 2:9,10).

    I have never seen so much deception happening around the world, as I am seeing now. It's all about Globalism, not Nationalism.

    Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. . . Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and Son (1 John 2:18,22).

    President Trump accepts prayer, and stands for Christians.

    And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of Antichrist, which you have heard is coming, and is now already in the world (1 John 4:3).

    For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist (2 John 7).

    Islam claims to believe in Jesus, but denies Jesus is the Son of the Living God.

    The last administration spoke against Christianity so often, that it' amazing that he was voted into office twice. There's a video on Youtube, that anyone can find where BHO, literally mocks the bible.

    The spirit of Antichrist is that of apostasy - departing from the truth.

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    Elijah A Alexander Jr 

    11 months ago from Washington DC

    Really, T & Leland, politics is nothing but policy making.

    The policy written to govern this nation is the Constitution therefore every policy the governors make are supposed to be first measured against the constitution's "Preamble's" intent. Anything nor pursuant "Unifying everything within the nation, establishing equal justice for all, ensuring everyone is tranquil in their life, ensuring the people and environment are protected, ensuring the needs of everyone is met and the people have the liberty to be who they want to be in spite of what others may think" Article 6 says, paraphrased "it is invalided as a policy to govern this nation" by the word "notwithstanding". Should the president, congress, SCOTUS or any individual make a policy to the contrary of those six standards it is already invalidated.

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    The scriptures also describe the last days, and what is to come. They describe nations that have gone into utter corruption.

    Even in Sodom, Lot knew what time it was. He knew what was coming.

    When the angels were entering into Sodom, Lot was waiting for them at the gates.

    Genesis 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

    This is why we're supposed to be watching.

    Proverbs 8:34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.

    We're seeing corruption like never before, and it's highly political.

    When believers are hearing politicians using scriptures to validate their stance, we as believers should first of all, recognize the red flag that comes up in our hearts, and second of all, we should be able to answer with what the bible says.

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    I totally agree with you T. The bible itself is filled with political issues along with the reasoning behind it.

    One of the commandments given in the OT is:

    Exodus 22:28 "You shall not curse God, nor curse a ruler of your people.

    David stood by this rule. Even when King Saul was hunting David down, David said this:

    1 Samuel 24:6 So he said to his men, "Far be it from me because of the LORD that I should do this thing to my lord, the LORD'S anointed, to stretch out my hand against him, since he is the LORD'S anointed."

    1 Samuel 24:7 So David stayed his servants with these words, and suffered them not to rise against Saul. But Saul rose up out of the cave, and went on his way.

    David understood that it is God who raises up rulers, and brings them down.

    Daniel 2:21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

    God's word fits perfectly together from beginning to end. I love that!

    Ecclesiastes 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    Good morning Leland Johnson,

    I agree with most of what you said, and I apologize for my quick response yesterday.

    The intent of this article was to show how scriptures are being wrongly used by politicians to influence Christians.

    In Christ, we are in this world, but not of it.

    The commandments were give as a rule of law. In fact, many of the laws today are common sense laws, like the Ten commandments, "you shall not steal, kill, bear false witness etc...

    There's been so much anti-Christian rhetoric over the past several years. The ten commandments being removed from court houses, Christians being denied to speak in public places, and in some cases, denied to even gather in their homes due to legislation.

    God's word has been under constant assault. The only way to answer those who happily plant seeds of doubt, is to answer with the word of God, showing the error.

    Here's an article that was published by the "California family council," that covers many of the politically charged attacks against God's word as well as believers.

    https://californiafamily.org/2018/the-bible-under-...

    What I've been seeing is that many within the government are now using the bible to guilt believers into accepting their agendas. Kacish did it, and the pope has done it more than a few times.

    In the Old Testament, God raised up King Saul because the people wanted him. He gave them what they wanted and even described the consequences to it.

    Samuel was distraught by the decision of the people. Here's what God told him.

    1 Samuel 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

    It would be far greater for any nation to have God reign over the people. Unfortunately, not all people believe this, just like what happened in Israel, so we have leaders, and Kings, and rulers. We are subject to them, because we are in the world...even though we're not of it.

    God still uses leaders, even the ones who go against His will.

    Paul verifies this in Romans:

    Romans 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

    Romans 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

    Now let's look at what God said about Pharaoh in the OT, this is what Paul is describing.

    Exodus 9:13 And the LORD said unto Moses, Rise up early in the morning, and stand before Pharaoh, and say unto him, Thus saith the LORD God of the Hebrews, Let my people go, that they may serve me.

    Exodus 9:14 For I will at this time send all my plagues upon thine heart, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth.

    Exodus 9:15 For now I will stretch out my hand, that I may smite thee and thy people with pestilence; and thou shalt be cut off from the earth.

    Exodus 9:16 And in very deed for this cause have I raised thee up, for to show in thee my power; and that my name may be declared throughout all the earth.

    Exodus 9:17 As yet exaltest thou thyself against my people, that thou wilt not let them go?

    The truth is within the pages of the bible. God knows everything, every detail, who is in power, and who isn't.

    The only way to answer those who use the bible for politics is to show what the bible actually says.

    The facts are written. God indeed does raise the kings of this world just as His word says.

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    11 months ago from now on

    Leland, if you want to totally separate politics from scripture you will need first of all to define politics as you said but did not do because people have different concepts of what politics is just like they have different (often wrong) ideas about what socialism is.

    The dictionary definition is the activities associated with the governance of a country or other area, especially the debate or conflict among individuals or parties having or hoping to achieve power.

    Jesus proclaimed his Kingdom is not of this world yet the Bible teaches that Jesus will take over the kingdoms of this world when He returns at the sound of a trumpet. By the definition above this is clearly in line with being political as it pertains to an individual having or hoping to acheive power. Power over the kingdoms of this world.

    Now I agree Jesus did not involve himself directly in the earthly politics of the time but to say scripture and politics have nothing to do with each other is not accurate imo.

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    Elijah A Alexander Jr 

    11 months ago from Washington DC

    Leland, you said "If we practice the justice of God as revealed in the Scriptures we will know how to vote, what bills to pass" but I say "if we are in the world but not of the world" the only issues we would concern ourselves with would be to seek and share with those who we feel are or may be "in but not of the world" which will be revealed to us from within us.

    When we see someone meeting the description found in 1 Peter 2:9; "ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;" we are only concerned with like people. When Jesus said "give unto Cesar what is Cesar's..." he was saying if you are not called out of the world do what the world require of you.

    However, it does become our duty to point out the fallacies of the governing system in general so that all who feel the call can make up their minds to or not follow it.

    Peace,

    Elijah NatureBoy

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    Leland Johnson 

    11 months ago from Midland MI

    Betty- I was actually responding to Tony's comments. Jesus was really far above politics. The Law, or Torah, isn't a political statement, but a revelation of the will of God. When they tried to draw him into a political argument as to whether or not the Jews should pay taxes to Rome, Jesus responded by saying, "Pay unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's." I'm not saying the Lord wouldn't have us be mindful of his will for us when we vote, but to try and apply God to political situations diminishes the glory and greatness of God. Politics are common sense issues for the most part- taxes, borders, etc. If we practice the justice of God as revealed in the Scriptures we will know how to vote, what bills to pass, etc. I think for the sake of this discussion we need to clarify what each views as "politics." Abraham Lincoln was a politician, but freeing the slaves had nothing to do with "politics." If he were practicing the art of "politics" he would've allowed for a compromise regarding slavery, but he didn't. His position was that they must be freed completely just as Moses demanded (per God's instruction) that the Israelites were to be completely freed from Egypt; Lincoln even made reference to the Exodus account as explanation for his actions regarding the emancipation/manumission of the slaves. Just as Kasich is mistaken in trying to use Scriptures to support his political position I am leery of using Scripture to support my political positions. Prayerful? Yes. Considered? Yes, but I cannot point to a Scripture that directs us to one political position or another. As for my personal convictions I am a political conservative, but let me remind any who read this of something: The Pharisees were political conservatives. They weren't "left wingers" or "liberals." Just because I'm politically conservative doesn't mean I know God, or that I'm right with Him. That relationship is on a whole different plane and it ought not to be dragged down to the level of politics, politics which is inherently a dirty business and a necessary evil. I look forward to the day when the world will be ruled by the Lord, that most benevolent dictator whose position is not granted by our votes. Thanks for your responses, Betty. God bless you too.

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    Hi T, thank you for your kind words.

    It's amazing, I just now read an article where the Pope says that those who build a wall are not Christians.

    I had to wonder if he informed Jesus about that,so the walls in heaven can be removed, or Nehemiah, who rebuilt the fallen wall in Israel, or the walls and gates around Israel?

    It's crazy. I feel it's important to show what some are saying that contradicts God's word, and it was like a confirmation reading that just now.

    Hugs to you, your response was encouraging.

    May God bless you

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    11 months ago from now on

    Betty, if anyone here has come off as spiritually arrogant it is not you but certainly sounds like someone who is so self important and upset that you dare disagree with that someone that that someone has to condescendingly reject you as if you as an author are worthless without his approval! Now that is arrogance!

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    "Answering scripture with scripture is great, but only when used in proper context. Many bizarre doctrines exist because of taking a passage here and there and piecing them together with Scotch tape.

    Scripture is not wrong, but the way many/some people use it, can be.

    Honestly, I detect a attitude of spiritual arrogance and condescension from you. I am unfollowing this Hub and you as an author. I will not be responding any further."

    I've done that throughout this entire conversation. One can't possibly use "context,," or scripture interpreting scripture without part of the bible included.

    I hope, at least you'll admit the importance of knowing all of God's word.

    Best wishes...

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    Leland Johnson, scripture interprets scripture.

    The bible is filled with examples of nations, and walls.

    Because it is the preserved word of God, every single word is important, regardless of opinions.

    As for politics being biblical or not, see my response to Tony.

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    Tony Muse,

    Yes, many bizarre doctrines exist. But God doesn't teach His children based on denomination. He teaches all of us the same things. Jesus said how it's done. in Him. "Seek, knock and ask," and then Abide in Him as His word abides in us. That's our light. The entire bible is God's word.

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    Tony Muse,

    You said that you are not advocating for "open borders," yet you bring your own personal opinions in, and then say, "Jesus didn't involve Himself in politics.

    You don't recognize that Jesus actually gave the law to Israel. How's that for politics? God placed the kings in place to rule over Israel, and Kings of other nations as well. I'd argue that even today God places our leaders, both governmental and religious in position. I can show this with scriptural.

    God used Cyrus, who didn't have a clue about God, to free Israel from Babylon.

    In the NT, The Samaritans were a political issue with Israel, read about the woman at the well. See what she has to say about Jesus talking with her.

    Also, Israel was invaded by Rome, during the life of Jesus, Pontius Pilate was that Roman who stood before the crowd with Jesus when they called for Barabbas to be set free, as was the custom.

    Don't tell me there were no politics in the Bible.

    From the OT and on into the NT, there were.

    Within the government, and within the church.

    We still see it today.

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    Tony Muse 

    11 months ago from Texas, USA

    Betty,

    Answering scripture with scripture is great, but only when used in proper context. Many bizarre doctrines exist because of taking a passage here and there and piecing them together with Scotch tape.

    Scripture is not wrong, but the way many/some people use it, can be.

    Honestly, I detect a attitude of spiritual arrogance and condescension from you. I am unfollowing this Hub and you as an author. I will not be responding any further.

    Peace be with you.

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    Well, Tony, You are free to believe what you will, and express what you will. I'll stick with the scriptures and prayerful study of every word.

    I've learned so much by studying the entire bible. It actually opens up the New Testament. If you've read through my articles here, you'll see that I never leave out any part of the word. I never will.

    I will always call out false teachings, even when it is a politician.

    It's deceptive, and sneaky. Jesus said that Satan is a lair, and the father of it, who only comes to steal, to kill and to destroy.

    In case anyone hasn't been paying attention to our nation right now...there's a lot of that going on.

    Sorry if it offends anyone, but really, I'm not.

    The truth is more important.

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    Hi Leland,

    Are you responding based on the article that confronts "politicians," using the scriptures wrongly? Or are you responding based on my discussion with others here?

    In order to show that a scripture is used wrongly, one can only use scripture.

    This isn't a family argument, but it is indeed a biblical concept.

    Jesus warned about false teachers, and so did Paul.

    Many Christians today, when they hear a verse, they automatically believe that the way it's being used is true. There is rarely "testing the spirits," or going by example of what is written.

    Not all, but many do that.

    You are free not to read my articles, because I'll always answer with scriptures.

    My goal is to live it and not just be a hearer of the word.

    There's an old saying, "The Devil knows the Bible." I say in response, know it better than he does.

    I appreciate your response.

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    Tony Muse 

    11 months ago from Texas, USA

    Leland,

    I am not advocating "open borders" per se. What I am opposed to is stating that we are supposed to build a wall around our nation at an immense cost under the pretense of it being Biblically decreed. Politics and religion are a volatile mix. While I wish that our nation was more faith-centered, I am appreciative of the fact that our forefathers thought it prudent to prevent our nation being ruled by religion.

    I agree with you, Jesus did not involve himself with political disputes. His kingdom was and is not of this world.

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    Tony Muse 

    11 months ago from Texas, USA

    As the old Puritans saying stated, "The Old testament in the New Testament concealed, the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed. All of scripture is beneficial as it all points to Christ. But at the same time, we must be careful to discern what pertained to national Israel and what pertains to us today. We always walk on shaky ground when we attempt to mix scripture with politics.

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    Leland Johnson 

    11 months ago from Midland MI

    Tony- In Luke 12:13 a man in the crowd interrupts Jesus while he is teaching and says, "Teacher tell my brother to divide the family inheritance with me." Jesus said, "Man who appointed me as an arbiter or judge between you and your brother." Jesus wasn't about to be drawn in to a family squabble over money. In the same way I don't think it is appropriate to try and establish a doctrinal link regarding the US erecting a wall to protect its sovereignty. All nations have borders, all nations have laws regarding entrance into their country. The government has an obligation to its people to protect them from illegal aliens. ALL nations retain that right. ALL nations have that obligation to their citizens. Try to get into Canada without the proper paperwork- they will turn you away or arrest you. Why is the US under such scrutiny for doing what all other nations do- protecting their borders? In the bible God provided borders for the nation of Israel for the Israelites protection. In like manner the Israelites were expected to respect the sovereignty of neighboring nations. I think it is a mistake to invoke the Messiah in an argument about borders. I think his response would be similar to the one he gave the man in the crowd. Arguing politics wasn't why he came.

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    That's not at all my reasoning Tony Muse.

    I actually very much enjoy conversations like this...because it reminds me of passages I've studied.

    I'm saying that I agree with the book of Hebrews, that everything involved with the law and temple in the OT are "Shadows of the heavenly."

    As Jesus said, "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you." I'm seeking His Kingdom just like he said.

    If stoning were still in effect, I would have been stoned by now. Thank God he is merciful. He desires mercy and not sacrifice. However, Jesus was no pushover when He walked on this earth. The Pharasees were always looking for ways to accuse Him. Seriously, you should search out how many times they tried to catch Him in his words.

    We also should use wisdom. Which was based on the original topic. :) (Where scriptures are concerned and everything else for that matter.)

    Here's a passage that influenced my reasoning in studying the entire word, and believing all of it.

    1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

    1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

    Vs. 46: "that was not first which is spiritual, but that whic his natural, and afterward that which is spiritual."

    The OT was natural, "Image or shadow," of things to come, and a shadow of "the Kingdom of heaven," as shown in Hebrews. (In my last response.)

    Jesus opened the eyes of the disciples to the scriptures. He opens our eyes to them too.

    Jesus is the quickening Spirit in us.

    1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

    So many take the stance that it's all done away with, and they are missing absolute treasures by doing that. The entire bible ties together.

    I appreciate your input, and this discussion.

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    Tony Muse 

    11 months ago from Texas, USA

    Betty,

    I never said that the OT has nothing of value. With you reasoning we should still be stoning adulterers, not touch women while on their menstrual cycles and keeping the seventh day holy.

    Never mind, you are obviously content to say that border walls are within the doctrines of Jesus Christ. It seems to me that you are blurring the lines between political bureaucracy and sound doctrines of Christ to fit a political agenda.

    Take care

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    Tony Muse, you're mistaken. If I'm understanding you correctly, you are saying the the OT has nothing of value, even though the Apostle Paul quoted it often, as did Jesus Himself.

    In fact, when Jesus was tempted on by Satan, Jesus answered with "IT IS WRITTEN." Three times. And the very first response was, "Man shall not live on bread alone but on EVERY WORD that proceeds from the mouth of God."

    So, I'll stick with Jesus and believe that the entire bible is valid, preserved and true.

    Two more more points. Jesus said, "

    Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

    He's been speaking since the beginning, (John 1:1)

    Now back to the book of Hebrews.

    Hebrews 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.

    Hebrews 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

    Hebrews 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

    Read verse 8:5 Very carefully. "Who serve unto the example and shadow of HEAVENLY things."

    The OT, was based on natural laws, showing examples of Spiritual laws. None of it can be ignored.

    If you want to reference Psalms, (Which is one of my favorite books of the bible,) King David said very often. "Your word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path."

    He even knew that was a fact. Elijah, Isaiah, and a few others knew it too.

    I'll never ignore one word. In Christ our eyes are opened to everything written.

    Don't believe me?

    Read Luke 24, very carefully. You'll see that Jesus opened up the scriptures to the two disciples, (The OT) and when He departed from them, they said, "Did our hearts not burn within us as He opened up the scriptures to us along the way?"

    He lights the candle....the word fuels the flame in Christ. Compare that to what Paul said about the "veil being removed in Christ when reading the Old Testament."

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    Leland Johnson

    Thank you so much reading and or your thoughtful response!

    I'm going you a follow back. God bless.

  • tsadjatko profile image

    11 months ago from now on

    Excellent commentary from an accurate Biblical perspective.

    If you'd like to see just how a politician can diabolically use, twist and even make up scripture just Google "obama use of scripture" and you will have to wonder if he has ever even read let alone studied the Bible.

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    Leland Johnson 

    11 months ago from Midland MI

    Great job, Betty. I'm giving you a follow and appreciate you taking the time to do the research, especially when it comes to the application of God's word. You're right, politicians use bible quotes to manipulate, not because they have serious convictions about the bible. In fact, most of the times I've seen a politician reference the bible they get the context wrong. Jennifer Granholm did the same thing in Michigan when she referred to welfare recipients as "the least" of society. She not only took the verse out of context, but she insulted a lot of poor people at the same time.

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    Hi Elijah A Alexander Jr,

    I agree with what you said about studying the word of God. I'd like to add that the passage that you referenced also says right in the middle, "but they would not hear."

    That fascinated me when I first saw it. I was praying about the passage because it speaks about "going backwards and falling." When I saw the middle line, it all made perfect sense.

    I have also been studying the scriptures for many years, and I include the entire bible in all of my personal, prayerful studies.

    I have found no correlations between Trump and Babylon, in fact, what I see in regards to Babylon is that the Globalists want to draw all the people on earth under a single worldwide system. Just as it was at the tower of Babel. I believe that it is not one single nation, but a world system.

    God divided all of the people into their own lands, and languages, and it is not for any human being to changed what God has done, unless they are influenced by Satan.

    So far, what I see is a huge correlation between Israel being taken into captivity into the nation Babylon, and King Cyrus was used to break their bonds.

    I see far more correlations in that account, and none that suggest that President Trump is anything other than who he is.

    I am watchful, and paying attention. I dread what the globalists want to do, and what they have started doing around the world.

    Because I know that it's about the great tribulation.

    Praying always.

    Thank you for your thoughtful responses.

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    Well, Tony, you are aware that Israel was occupied by Rome in the NT?

    Also the passage you referenced is about not straying from the truth. The verse that follows actually says not to be carried away with "strange doctrines," which, by the way, God warned about the same thing throughout the scriptures. We both should agree that God's word stands above anyone else, including yours and mine. So I am using the correct context. Of course the chapter is about love, but we can't ignore the rest.

    Let's take it further....Scripture interprets scripture, so even beyond context, there are many passages that describe our unchanging God.

    Psalms 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

    Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

    And many more.

    It should also be noted that the book of Hebrew references the Old Testament, more than any other book in the New Testament. The entire bible is more valuable than gold.

    Just one more point...

    The Apostle Paul said this to the Corinths.

    2 Corinthians 3:12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

    2 Corinthians 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

    2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

    Read it carefully. Paul talked about the same vail being over the eyes when reading the Old Testament, which vail is done away in Christ.

    We should be able to read it ALL, from beginning to end in context.

    It's your choice to believe what you will, just as it is for everyone. But I will believe God's word above all men.

    Especially politicians, of whom I have heard scriptures taken out of context many times. Have a great Sunday.

    I've never come across one passage, or story where God changes. He is the same, always. Merciful, when we repent, and loving and forgiving.

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    Elijah A Alexander Jr 

    11 months ago from Washington DC

    I stick to and in-depth study the scriptures and history to be directed by God as Isaiah 28:9 say we are to be. "Whom shall [God] teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk [human's doctrine], and drawn from the breasts [human's preachers and teachers]. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little." On top of that I "commanded", as we are told to, God to teach me and give me the mind to obey.

    With God's controlling my studies and giving me reason for his revealings I began to see how and why everything written in the Bible are metaphors, allegories, parables and symbol types (MAPS) explaining why and how everything has always existed and repeats itself not only under the sun, as Ecclesiastes 1:9 reads, but throughout existence.

    The tower of Babel and the Flood Noah survived are both metaphors of what will be happening during the termination of civilization. Don't you see how Daniel 2 reveals Historical Babylon is the beginning of the end of the world that ends by a nation where "the seed of" human comes together but doesn't unite? Isn't the seed of human in the USA and not united, being encouraged by Trump who on October 2, 2018 lifted himself up before the world liked Nebuchadnezzar did and within one hour [how long in prophecy I don't know] was remove from his lofty position (Dan. 4:33)? Doesn't that type what just happened?

    I'm revealing what I have been revealed, not something I'm imagining. Jesus said be "born again" and, as Romans1:20 instructs, I have testimony of my conception, gestation, trivial, birth and now over 42 years born. How many other Christians do you know with that type of testimony? So, accept or reject what I say, I've done what I was instructed to do, share my vision that goes completely contrary to church's teachings.

    Do you see how Revelation 3:18 proclaims the mega-churches of today? So, yes, I see all of what happened in scripture but do you see it happening today. Aren't we told to "watch and pray"? what are we watching for if it isn't the manifestation of what is foretold?

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    Tony Muse 

    11 months ago from Texas, USA

    It is always good to stick to the word of God, but it is even more important to read scripture and apply in context.

    Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

    This statement is made in the context of Christ's ceaseless love towards us and and how we should encourage one another and has nothing to do with building walls.

    It should be noted that in verses 1 and 2 of chapter 13 says "Let love of the brethren continue. 2 Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by this some have entertained angels without knowing it". I'm not stating that these migrants are angels, but I will say that you have absolutely no evidence that this is an angry mob of American-hating people who have been organized by some leftist or globalist movement.

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    I also wanted to add, if you read the account of Joshua, there was a battle happening in Israel, and some Gibiontie men came to Joshua and tricked him. They dressed in old clothing and pretended to be from a land far away.

    Joshua simply believed them and agreed to let them dwell in Israel among the people. His decision affected Israel for many years to come. There's even an account where David had to deal with it.

    Back to Joshua, here was the problem. I do not even have to say what the issue was. God's word does it.

    Joshua 9:14 And the men took of their victuals, and asked not counsel at the mouth of the LORD.

    I'm not asking anyone to believe me. But I would like to ask anyone reading this, to read the entire account that took place in the book of Joshua, and then search forward to what happened because of it, when David became King of Israel..many years later.

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    God's word stands forever. I'll always stick with His word, and I will never accept the word of man over Him.

    Jesus said: Matthew 24:35" Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."

    John 1 tells us that Jesus is the word, who was with God from the beginning. "And the word became flesh and dwelt among us.."

    Jesus has been speaking since the beginning.

    This is why Paul said that the Bereans were more noble, because they searched out every matter to see if it was so. Guess what? The NT hadn't been assembled yet when Paul wrote that. The OT is just as valuable as the NT, and in order to get the full picture, and rightly divide, we need the entire bible.

    So many pick and choose blessings from the OT, but want to write off the rest as if there is no learning to be found in it.

    As I said, God's word tells us be wiser than serpents and gentle as doves.

    There is too much happening right now that lines up with God's word. The heavy push for globalism should have every Christians attention.

    Even that goes back to the OT. You see, the people were all one people, like one world...all together, and they built the tower of Babel. God separated them into their own nations for a reason. Who do you think would like to draw the entire world under one power before the return of Christ?

    The OT also speaks about mixing religions, and in case you missed it, many Christian leaders, as well as the Pope have made a statement that "all people serve the same God."

    That is a complete lie. The bible gives us names of false gods, from Dagon to Dianna. We are not to mix belief systems, water and oil do not mix.

    I'll stick with the pure fountain of the word, and Trust that God told us the truth.

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    Tony Muse 

    11 months ago from Texas, USA

    Well, God definitely had a purpose for Israel, to preserve them in order to fulfill the promise that He made to Abraham that through his seed (Christ) all of the families of the earth would be blessed.

    You are definitely free to form your own opinion concerning the intent of these migrant peoples, but I do not in any way believe that this is an invasion of American, like Trump is proclaiming. From what I have heard at last half of them have either turned back or have decided to stay in Mexico.

    It is impossible for us Americans to know what it is like to live in a country where murderers and thieves are the law of the land. I do not blame them for seeking a better life.

    Yes, God is the same yesterday and He is today, but I believe that you are taking the fact that Israel built walled cities out of context in regards to that promise.

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    Betty A F 

    11 months ago from Florida

    Thank you for your response Tony Muse.

    I will always take the stance that God is the same yesterday, today and forever. Why? Because His word tells me so.

    Israel wasn't always at war with their neighbors, but they still had walls. You said, "Back then cities warred against each other." That hasn't changed one bit.

    The same cities that surround Israel today, were present back then as well.

    You know Tony, those same cities that surround Israel, also serve a different god. The bible speaks in great detail about it.

    To top that off, God uses parallels throughout His word, that draw spiritual principles from natural/obvious principles.

    Nations are still battling just as they were "back then." That's the way of the world.

    It doesn't matter who you say we are or are not at war with.

    There are always things happening behind the scenes that neither you nor I are aware of. I assure you, God is aware of every single detail.

    We can use discernment, and even if a person has no discernment, he or she can research and make wise decisions.

    I personally find it very hard to believe that thousands of people woke up one day and magically came together to form a giant "caravan," (from 3 different nations so far.)

    I chose not to look the other way. I trust God's word.

    Use wisdom, as I stated before.

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    Tony Muse 

    11 months ago from Texas, USA

    I would say that a lot has changed since the ancient days of walled cities. Back then cities warred against each other. I happen to believe that the description of the New Jerusalem found in Revelation is a metaphor for the church. The disciples were stones laid upon the the Cornerstone, Christ. It is through the church which Christ founded and was built upon the preaching by the apostles that we have the church which spans the globe today.

    We are not at war with Mexico or Honduras and I don't believe that a wall will solve the issues facing illegal immigration. While I agree with you that politicians "quote" scripture out of context, I don't believe that scripture tells us to build walls between nations.

    As a "bleeding-heart moral conservative, I am a bit torn on this issue, but we are told told to love our enemies and feed the poor and hungry. I have no issues with people migrating to the US, but I do wish that they would do it legally. It is the immigration system that needs to be overhauled, a wall won't fix this.

    Peace.

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