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Updated on June 22, 2017

Kill all the Canaanites? You just said, "Thou shalt not kill."

Joshua
Joshua

Read stories in context.

The following cartoons summarize a story from the following books. The reader is encouraged to read the entire books in context: The Book of Joshua; The Bhagavad-Gita; The Quran.

The Book of Joshua 1

God does not take sides in battle or command or condone violence, especially the killing of subservient women and children. The women and children of Canaan were subservient to the men who were led by male priests. The women and children cannot be held responsible for the leadership. Joshua killed the innocent and claimed divine direction. This is a false claim because God does not condone violence. Jesus taught us not to see people as separate or inferior, thus no condemnation. Whatever bad acts were done by the Canaanites do Not justify genocide. Jesus said, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do." This can be applied in many situations.

And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city (Jericho), both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. Joshua 6:21.

And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Beth-horon, that the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword. Joshua 10:11.

And there was no day like that before it or after it that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel. Joshua 10:14.

So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. Joshua 10:40.

And the LORD said unto Joshua, Be not afraid because of them: for tomorrow about this time will I deliver them up all slain before Israel: thou shalt hough their horses, and burn their chariots with fire. Joshua 11:6.

Perhaps half the population of Canaan were women and children who were subservient to the adult males, particularly priests. The women and children had little say in their society and therefore were innocent, but Joshua killed them anyway.

So we can conclude God did not have a covenant with Joshua or the Hebrews because violence was involved. God promotes peace, not violence. The Hebrews were not chosen by God to kill anyone. Joshua is not inspired of God, not sacred, and therefore not scripture.

Kill all the Canaanites? That would be a bad precedent.

Joshua
Joshua

Kill all the Canaanites? What am I, a Hit man?

Joshua
Joshua

How can land be Holy if we kill for it?

Joshua
Joshua

Oh Krishna, you want me to kill my family?

Arjuna
Arjuna

Bhagavad-Gita As It Is, Second Edition by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada 2

p. 105 Considering your specific duty as a ksatriya (King, Royalty, government) you should know that there is no better engagement for you than fighting on religious principles; and so there is no need for hesitation.

Purport: The ksatriyas are specially trained for challenging and killing because religious violence is sometimes a necessary factor. Therefore, ksatriyas are never meant for accepting directly the order of sannyasa, or renunciation. Non violence in politics may be a diplomacy, but it is never a factor or principle. Therefore, killing on the battlefield on religious principles and killing animals in the sacrificial fire are not at all considered to be acts of violence, because everyone is benefited by the religious principles involved.

Answer to Purport: Was this translated correctly? Was there a transposition error long ago which was carried forward? Was the meaning lost? Shouldn't it say, Religious principles keep us from harm and prohibit us from fighting?

We are individuals, not Kings. We have freewill. From the standpoint of the individual, violence is to be avoided. Avoid any group or society who advocates killing. Renounce being a warrior because warriors kill.

Oh Krishna, you want me to kill on religious principles?

Arjuna
Arjuna

Oh Mohammad, how is following up the enemy and his suffering being Defensive? 4:104

Reluctant Jihadist
Reluctant Jihadist

The Holy Quran, translation by Abdullah Yusuf Ali 3

2:191 And slay them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress Faith.

2:216 Fighting is prescribed for you, and you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and that you love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not.

There are about 100 more verses which call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. We are not presidents or kings. Violence is just violence from the standpoint of the individual. There is no distinction between offensive and defensive fighting from the standpoint of the individual. Therefore, do not fight at all.

Mohammad (may peace be upon him) fell from grace when he picked up the sword.

Oh Mohammad, you want us to smite their necks and smite their finger-tips off them? 8:12

Reluctant Jihadist
Reluctant Jihadist

Oh Mohammad, isn't it wrong to rob from merchants?

Reluctant Jihadist
Reluctant Jihadist

Oh Mohammad, what is the difference in: Offensive, defensive and pre-emptive fighting?

Reluctant Jihadist
Reluctant Jihadist

Take the Peace Testimony.

Renounce war and fighting for any cause or under any pretense whatsoever.

Will you take the Peace Testimony?

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Why did Jesus commit suicide by cop?

Matthew
Matthew

Did God the Father really tell Jesus to get himself crucified?

Matthew
Matthew

Jesus, what kind of Precident did you set with your death?

Matthew
Matthew

Do not harm yourself or another.

We should renounce all images and stories which make a hero out of someone who harms themselves or another. Set high ideals: peace, forgiveness, acceptance, reconciliation, thanksgiving and sharing. Apply the principles Jesus taught, but not his example of self-harm. Do not willingly martyr yourself. Suicide is Not the answer to your troubles. Jesus "took on the troubles of the world" and it led to his suicide. This example is Not to be copied or glorified.

Near Death Experiences (NDEs) are evidence of a spirit and therefor an afterlife. NDEs are a medical fact and have been studied. Verified out of body experiences have been made. The crucifixion of Jesus was unnecessary.

Bibliography

1

The author of, The Book of Joshua, is unknown. No author is mentioned in the book. Some Bible students think Joshua wrote the book except for the death reports (Joshua 24:29-33 ); but the book gives no indication that Joshua had anything to do with writing the whole book, though he did write the laws on which the covenant renewal was based (Joshua 24:26).

It is also difficult to date the writing of books like this. Some Bible students suggest a time about a hundred years after Joshua's death, or at least by the time of the beginning of the monarchy. A date around 1045 B.C. would place it within the lifetime of Samuel, who was in a sense the last of the judges and the one who anointed the first two kings. Other Bible students think the Book of Joshua only reached its present form when the Former Prophets were collected together during the Exile.

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The Bhagavad Gita is an ancient Indian text that became an important work of Hindu tradition in terms of both literature and philosophy. The earliest translations of this work from Sanskrit into English were made around 1795 CE by Sir Charles Wilkins. The name Bhagavad Gita means “the song of the Lord”. It is composed as a poem and it contains many key topics related to the Indian intellectual and spiritual tradition. Although it is normally edited as an independent text, the Bhagavad Gita became a section of a massive Indian epic named “The Mahabharata”, the longest Indian epic. There is a part in the middle of this long text, consisting of 18 brief chapters and about 700 verses: this is the section known as the Bhagavad Gita. It is also referred to as the Gita, for short.

Authorship & Origin

The Bhagavad Gita was written at some point between 400 BCE and 200 CE. Like the Vedas and the Upanishads, the authorship of the Bhagavad Gita is unclear. However, the credit for this text is traditionally given to a man named Vyasa, who is more of a legend than an actual historical figure; because of this, Vyasa has been compared to Homer, the great figure of ancient Greek epic poetry.

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According to the Quran's teachings, it came directly to Muhammad, peace be upon him, from the angel Gabriel (Ar. Jibril), who received it from Almighty God (Allah) and then he recited it to Muhammad, peace be upon him, piece by piece, sentence by sentence, revealing small and large portions of it over a period of 23 years.

The actual assembly and order of verses was never changed by Muhammad, peace be upon him. It was Jibril, the Angel of Allah, who instructed as to what should go where every time more of the Quran was revealed.

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      Deborah Sexton 2 years ago

      After the parents, and siblings were killed, who were left to care for the infants? God said to destroy them and their children, same as God saved Israel, and their children. When there is a choice, God chooses those who live for him..so you better watch out :), and try to become the kind of person who God cares to protects

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      Jay C OBrien 2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      Perhaps you have misunderstood me. The little children cannot be held accountable for what their parents do. I do not believe the women would have participated in harming their own children. Some Caananites may have done wrong, but why kill ALL of them including the children? Is it right to kill children to prevent their sacrifice? That reasoning does not make sense.

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      Deborah Sexton 2 years ago

      The Canaanites burned their own children in fire to their Idols Moloch, and Ba'al..how can you say they weren't guilty???..wow

      You haven't read anything I've written, because you keep asking the same questions, and keep saying the same things over, and over.

      I'm out of here

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      Jay C OBrien 2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      Thank you for your extensive reply. What do you think God is like? Does He kill little children and try to justify it or does He not kill at all? I am trying to justify Peace. If you are a mystic (spiritualist) as I am, are we all connected? Are we all of the same body? How can a parent justify killing a child? The women and children of Caanan were Not guilty. Why were they killed?

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      Deborah Sexton 2 years ago

      As I said on my hub

      God commanded Joshua to kill. When God ordered Joshua and his people to kill every man, woman and child in Canaan What crime could be so great that entire populations of cities were designated for destruction? God told Moses that the nations that the Hebrew were replacing were wicked. Scripture tells us that they were burning their own sons and daughters in sacrifices to their gods. So these people that God told Joshua to kill were not really innocent. For these reasons (and others), God ordered the destruction of the people who the Israelites dispossessed.

      Just out, and out slaying someone is wrong, like Ted Bundy, and others, etc killed without cause, but there is a time to kill, such as in self defense. There is also a time of war, and in a manner, is like self defense. Especially when you are saving children

      In war someone has to die.

      God can not be a God of Love, unless he is also a Just God, and in order to be a Just God, he can not always be Kind. God is a Merciful, and Just God

      You may not see it the way God does, but you are in fact judging your very own Maker, and feel it's okay, but you are judging God as being wrong, for what he did. (You are judging God as being without love If/because he wanted to put a stop to the killing of their children),

      Humans are self righteous narcissists for sure

      Don't put down a prophet of God and justify the killers of children

      Proverbs 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

      Comparing the OT to the NT is not the way to determine truth, it's the other way around

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      Deborah Sexton 2 years ago

      The wicked were those who burned their own children to their idols

      God is both Merciful, and Just, he is not always LOVE in a cuddly way

      God is a great judge, who will not justify the wicked

      Be careful because you seem to be justifying those wicked people, and you are condemning Joshua the Just

      Proverbs 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

      Exodus 23:7

      Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.

      Deuteronomy 25:1

      If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.

      1 Kings 8:32

      Then hear thou in heaven, and do, and judge thy servants, condemning the wicked, to bring his way upon his head; and justifying the righteous, to give him according to his righteousness.

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      Jay C OBrien 2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      Yes, I have read Joshua in context. God is good, always good and would never ask any of his children to harm another. That is how I know Joshua acted in separation from God. I follow Jesus and any deviation from Jesus is not Jesus. Jesus said: LOVE your enemy, Not kill them; love one another, Not hurt them; do Not judge/condemn. Do not justify a genocide by blaming the victim.

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      Deborah Sexton 2 years ago

      You are telling us to read about Joshua in context...Have you read it in context?

      Do you know why God said to kill all those people? Have you read any of it?

      Do you know the differences in the types of killings?

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      Jay C OBrien 2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      There's no commandment more Clear than, "Thou Shalt Not Kill." It is just a matter of believing it. Jesus said it even better, "Love your enemies," be good to those who hurt you, love one another, do to others as you would do to yourself. Why?

      I believe we are all part of one interconnected body. Some of us are spiritually immature and do not see the connection. So of us do. Treat violent people as you would a small child, with patience.

      Since some of these "small children" can hurt you, identify them and move away from them. There will always be the less mature in the world. Get smart and stay away from them. Try to communicate when it is safe.

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      Kelley 2 years ago from California

      There's no commandment more confusing than "Thou Shalt Not Kill." The Seven Deadly Sins seem to make more sense, as far as real life situations go. Of course, the Old Testament is filled with contradictions. I like the stories and historical and archaeological connections. Have you ever read "Biblical Archaeology Review"? Try it sometime. Later!