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Choose Heaven or Hell

Updated on May 1, 2015
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This sign, if it is real and not photo-shopped (follow link to see the sign), breaks my heart and the heart of God. It is cold and likely to drive people away from Christ. Non-Christians will be able to throw stones at it. It makes it sound like Jesus does not love surfers, skateboarders, musicians, artists, vegetarians, occupiers, activists, addicts, or fornicators. The only sins in the entire list were fornication and being addicted (lust, idolatry) to something other than God. The only good thing about that sign is it does bring up an opportunity to have a conversation about what the Bible actually has to say on the subject of Heaven and Hell.

What Does the Bible Teach Regarding Heaven and Hell?

The Bible teaches that there are two possible destinations after death. Heaven is where God is and will take all of His people for eternity. The book of Revelations describes Heaven as having walls made of pure jasper.The streets are gold so pure that is looks like glass. There will be no lights because God Himself will dwell with His people and light the whole city with His holiness.

People make jokes about how Hell will be a party; let me assure you that will not be the case. Hell is a place of torment. Is Hell for eternity? Yes, it will last forever and ever. Once you are there, there is no way out. The Bible describes it as a lake of fire.Satan and anyone who does not have their sins forgiven will dwell there for eternity.



Great book on Heaven and Hell by R.A. Torrey

Are All Religions Equal?

It is a popular belief today that all religions lead to God.Are all religions equal? Even a brief look at the world’s major religions and they have many different truth claims. Let us look at a few of them and see what differences there are.

Nature of God

Buddhism regards God as impersonal and monastic. Monastic can be defined as a unified reality. Hinduism is both monastic and polytheistic. Polytheistic is the belief in multiple Gods. Christianity teaches that God is personal and monotheistic.

Jesus Christ

Judaism views Jesus as human only.Islam views Jesus as a prophet. Christianity views Jesus as God incarnate.


Sin

Sin is defined as any thought, word, or deed that is contrary to God’s law. New agers view sin as ignorance and unprofitable behavior. Christianity views sin as an offense against a holy God.


Salvation

Islam believes that salvation comes by observing the Seven Pillars of Islam. Buddhists do not believe in salvation, other than that you will be reincarnated as either something better or worse depending on how you lived your life. Christianity believes that salvation comes from God’s grace.


Creation of the World

Christianity is the only religion that explains the origin of the world. God is All-Powerful and Ruler of the Universe. All of the other religions start with the universe already in existence and do not explain the how.



Evidence for Christianity

If Jesus was not raised from the dead, then Christianity is a hoax and should be discounted. Produce the body and Christianity falls. The problem for skeptics is that Jesus was raised from the dead. He appeared to his disciples over a 40-day period.I know what you are thinking; his disciples took and hid the body. No, they would have had to take out the Romans soldiers who were guarding the tomb, not very likely because the soldiers would have faced execution for failing. Second, his disciples are another piece of evidence. They were scattered when he was arrested and stayed in hiding. After Jesus ascended to heaven, 11 out of the 12 Apostles were killed because of their faith in Jesus. All they had to do was either produce the body or say they made it up to spare their own lives, but they did not. They chose to die telling others about Jesus. No rational person would die for something they knew was a lie, especially by their reaction after he was arrested. Jesus also appeared to over 500 people at one time in Jerusalem. There is no way 500 could make up the same story and details. If you ever played a game where you tell the person next to you something and have them repeat it, what you said is twisted by the time it gets back to you.

The Real Question is Where are You Going When You Die?

Of another way of putting it is what do you have to do to get to heaven? Let us look at what the Bible says. The Bible says in Romans 3:23 “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” God demands perfection and we fall short of it. A sin is any word, thought, or deed that is contrary to the will of God. Can sin be forgiven? Yes, but only by the shedding of innocent blood can sins be forgiven by God. That is why Jesus came to die 2,000 years ago. The Bible says in John 3:16, “For God so loved the world, that He gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him, shall not perish, but has eternal life.” Getting back to the issue with the sign, God loves you so much, that he sent Jesus to pay the penalty of your sin. If you reject that payment, you will spend eternity in hell. If you repent and ask forgiveness of your sins and ask Jesus to save you, He will. In Revelation 3:20 Jesus says, “I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in.” Jesus is standing at the door to your heart, will you let him in?

I think the sign should have said, “Jesus Saves, Sinners Welcome, Repent before it is too late!”

Heaven and Hell explained by Pastor Greg Laurie

Let me know what you think

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      Hell only exist for those who want it to exist.

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      Eric Cramer 4 years ago from Chicagoland

      Jesus preached more on hell then He did on Heaven. If there is no hell, there is no justice in this universe. Hell was created for the devil and his angels. Fallen humankind who chooses to reject Jesus will be sent there too. God offers a way out, through Jesus Christ. Jesus willingly laid down His life and was crucified for your sins and mine. We can either accept Him or reject Him.

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      Nonsense! If you are referring to the warnings of Gehenna, Christ was trying to warn the Jews of God's coming wrath on Judah which happened A.D.70. It is not the justice of eternal torure or annihilation that God demands, it is Christians like you who do.

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      Eric Cramer 4 years ago from Chicagoland

      Luke 16:19-31Parable of Lazarus and the rich man

      Matthew 5:22 "Anyone who says, "You fool!"- will be on danger of the fire of hell."

      Luke 12:5 "fear him who, after killing the body, has the power to throw you into hell."

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      Eric Cramer 4 years ago from Chicagoland

      These verse below do not speak of the coming attack in AD 70, they speak of an eternal place of suffereing. I don't want anyone to end up on hell, neither does God. That is why He sent Jesus as a sacrifice for our sins. God is holy and cannot tolerate sin.

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      Nonsense again. Luke 16 has everything to do with A.D.70. Your problem is you take everything what Christ says literally and deny yourself the spiritual understanding of His teachings. The rich man is symbolic for Jew of Judah and Lazarus is symbolic for all gentile nations, and as God promised, he stop giving the riches of His blessing to the Jews and gives them to the gentiles as promised to Abraham.

      Luke 12:5 "fear him who, after killing the body, has the power to throw you into Gehenna.

      Stop adding words to Christ teachings and warnings. Gehenna is symbolic for God's coming wrath of Judah. You still believe in an old man in the sky allergic to sin. Funny thing is, that Christ who was God in the flesh walked, talked and ate with sinners and He did it without sin block. You are a product of being brainwashed by the church. And if these verses do not speak of A.D.70. please try to explain this.

      Matt 3:1In those days John the Baptist came to the Judean wilderness and began preaching. His message was, 2 “Repent of your sins and turn to God, for the Kingdom of Heaven is near.” 3 The prophet Isaiah was speaking about John when he said,

      “He is a voice shouting in the wilderness,

      ‘Prepare the way for the LORD’s coming!

      Clear the road for him!’

      4 John’s clothes were woven from coarse camel hair, and he wore a leather belt around his waist. For food he ate locusts and wild honey. 5 People from Jerusalem and from all of Judea and all over the Jordan Valley went out to see and hear John. 6 And when they confessed their sins, he baptized them in the Jordan River.

      7 But when he saw many Pharisees and Sadducees coming to watch him baptize,[c] he denounced them. “You brood of snakes!” he exclaimed. “Who warned you to flee God’s coming wrath? 8 Prove by the way you live that you have repented of your sins and turned to God. 9 Don’t just say to each other, ‘We’re safe, for we are descendants of Abraham.’ That means nothing, for I tell you, God can create children of Abraham from these very stones. 10 Even now the ax of God’s judgment is poised, ready to sever the roots of the trees. Yes, every tree that does not produce good fruit will be chopped down and thrown into the fire.

      This is a hint of what is to come A.D.70

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      Eric Cramer 4 years ago from Chicagoland

      The context for Luke 16:19-31 (Lazarus and the Rich man) is that Jesus is teaching people and there are a group of Pharisees present (V. 14). The rich man represents the Pharisees. Jesus is calling them out in their hypocrisy. The reference to hell in this passage is actually referring to Hades and not Gehenna for one. Jesus tells the Pharisees that even if someone rises from the dead they still will not believe, foreshadowing his death and resurrection. You have to stay in context of what the passage says. There is no way to make a connection to A.D. 70 in this passage. Absolutely no way.

      Luke 12:5 – the context for this verse is that Jesus is teaching in a large crowd. Again, He is speaking about the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. People were afraid of being kicked out of the synagogue.

      4 “I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. 5 But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him. 6 Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies[k]? Yet not one of them is forgotten by God. 7 Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows. Luke 12:4-7

      There is no way this verse is talking about AD 70 either. You can’t take “Fear him who, after killing the body, has power to throw you into hell.” And in any rational way make that have to do with AD 70. It is self-explanatory. Only God can kill the body and then throw you into hell. It does not make sense that if you put it in the context of AD 70. The verse says kill the body and then. Contextually, it only makes sense to interpret it as it is written.

      Gehenna is the Old Testament word for hell. It references an area outside of Jerusalem that was used by pagan kings for human sacrifices. In Aramaic, it means “fireplace.”

      Matthew 3:1-10 references a prophecy from Isaiah. The thing that you are missing is that all of these warnings and condemnations were at the religious leaders, not at the people of Israel. They all have to do with their hypocrisy.

      ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------“You still believe in an old man in the sky allergic to sin. Funny thing is, that Christ who was God in the flesh walked, talked and ate with sinners and He did it without sin block. You are a product of being brainwashed by the church.”

      Yes, Christ did eat, walk, talk, and love sinners. I totally agree. That is why he came. But if there is no hell as you say, what is the point? If there is no eternal punishment for how we live, why not keep on sinning. Eat drink and be merry?

      If there is no hell, there is no justice. Hitler goes free. Nero goes free.

      If there is no hell, then why did God kill His own Son on a cross?

      If there is no hell, evil wins.

      If there is no hell, why tell people about Jesus?

      If there is no hell then we did Christ die for us????????

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      If the wage of sin is death, how does creating billions of souls knowing full well their destiny glorify God's pleasure and purpose, and most of all, how does it glorify His love? Hades in Luke 16 is symbolic for the end of the Jewish religion and the end of blessings to the Jews. The destruction of their religion was done before by the Babylonians, and the destruction of the temple a second time is also spiritually found in the book of revelations known as the "second death". You need to stop taking Christ's teachings literally and desire their spiritual reasons (John 6:63).

      You wrote...

      If there is no hell, there is no justice. Hitler goes free. Nero goes free.

      If there is no hell, then why did God kill His own Son on a cross?

      If there is no hell, evil wins.

      If there is no hell, why tell people about Jesus?

      If there is no hell then we did Christ die for us????????

      1, Hitler paid for his crimes by death, or does the thought of him eternally tortured bring joy to you? Does it bring justice and freedom in your heart?

      2, To save us all from endless sleep of death, and to save us all from ourselves.

      3, How does evil win if all are saved?

      4, Isn't teaching about Christ's love for us all and His victory not worth teaching about? I believe in Him and not in hell and I still spread the good news.

      5, Again, io save us all from endless sleep of death, and to save us all from ourselves.

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      Eric Cramer 4 years ago from Chicagoland

      See the problem is your view of the Bible is wrong. It is infallible and God breathed. The reason I say this is that you take Romans 6:23

      and completely write off what it says because it doesn't fit your spiritual reasons. Paul wrote under inspiration of the Holy Spirit that the wages of sin is death, eternal death. In other words, hell. God is not only a God of love, but a God of justice and holiness. God is perfect. He is just. The nature of God is more than just love.

      AD 70 was not about destroying Judaism. It is still practiced today. Show me some verses to backup your assertion that Luke 16 is symbolic of destroying Judaism. You can’t because your spiritual reasons do not have any basis in scripture. No one reading Luke 16 is going to draw that conclusion. You wouldn’t interpret Shakespeare that way.

      1. Hitler – you can live anyway you want and still go to heaven even without accepting Jesus? We all go to heaven? Again, then burn the Bible and let’s have a party. There is no incentive to live in obedience to God if there is no hell. Why did God kill Ananias and Sapphira for lying to him? If Hitler only dies once and has no more punishment, how is your view just? God’s standards are God’s standards. His ways are higher than are ways. For all of the evil Hitler did, I hope he burns in hell for ever and ever. Why? Because it is just.

      2. Again, give me specific verses to back this up. If there is no hell, why did God kill Jesus on the cross? (John 3:16, Also, see Abraham sacrificing Isaac as a forshadowing of Christ being the sacrificial lamb).

      3. Evil wins because good ceases to be good. If God is holy and allows one sin to go unpunished, then He is not a good judge. If I steal your wallet and am brought before a judge, is he going to let me go because I am a good person? Is he only going to send me to jail for the time that I had your wallet? No, he is going to punish me because He is good. So it is with God. He is a good judge. He punishes wrong doing.

      4. No, because if there is no hell, Christ is a liar. The Bible says in Acts that there is Salvation under no other name than Jesus Christ. If there is no hell, people are saved without acknowledging Jesus.

      5. What are your proof verses for this? We do we need to be saved at all if we are all going to heaven?

      If I take the view that I am higher than God and deserve to sit on his throne, do I still get to go heaven? What is funny is you miss the obvious point of Luke 16, justice. Lazarus is receiving justice. You need to stop taking Jesus’ words and twisting them. You are taking the obvious meaning and bending them into something that they were never meant to be.

      What about Judas? Is he in heaven? The Bible says it would have been better that he had never been born. If all there is, is the first death, then why does the Bible say that about Judas? According to you he is going to be in heaven.

      What about Satan? Is he going to be in heaven?

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      The teaching about some eternal hell fire is the most depraved, evil and blasphamis doctrine ever conceived by satan. Did i mention that it's unscriptural?

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      "15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire." Revelation 20:15 Apostle John or your word? I will stick with John. This verse is in the context of the final judgement.

      "10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever." Revelation 20:10

      Verse 10 tells us that the lake of fire is forever and ever. In Greek the word is aionas, which is translated as forever, an unbroken age, or eternity. Aion is the root which means continued duration.

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      It's wronly translated. Easy to prove. And the LOF aint hell. Hell also has no place in scripture.

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      SwordofManticorE 2 years ago from Burlington

      Are you telling us that you claim to fully understand the meanings and purpose of the book of Revelations cramer?

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      Hell No - Once again, anything Scripture you don't agree with is mistranslated.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      Sword - The purpose of Revelation is easy, it foretells how the world will end. I do not claim to understand every detail, but Revelation 20 is not difficult to understand. It matches up with Matthew 25.

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      SwordofManticorE 2 years ago from Burlington

      I agree. Revelations does match up with Matt 25. But not as you understand it. Your problem is that you can't keep scripture in its context. You just read scripture and understand it the way you want to understand it.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      Sword - The Scriptures I have quoted are in their proper context. If you read all of the verses around each section, the verses are clearly about ETERNAL PUNISHMENT.

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      SwordofManticorE 2 years ago from Burlington

      Do you even know what context means? The book of Revelations was written for the believers who were living when it was written. If you knew early Christian history and the Jewish wars, you would quickly rethink your beliefs. You don't follow the narrow path, you follow a narrow minded path.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      Everyone else is dumber than you. Got it. You know all. There is no point in wasting my time arguing with you.

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      SwordofManticorE 2 years ago from Burlington

      Sarcasm is a poor substitute for wit and your attitude sucks.

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      So in otherwords, scripure tells about eternal covanents that ended when Christ came, aion translated world at one point because nothing can come before eternity, and God described as a purifying fire but the Lake of Fire is eternal torture? A book of symbols being literal when churchians say it is. Who takes things out of context again? Every heller and basically the entire worldly church system does that. And ur evil comes from u not seeking out and asking God for the real truths. Eternal hell is straight from the bowels of satan.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      Sword - All of the Bible scholars who translated the Bible are wrong according to you and Hell No because they do not understand how to properly translate the word eternal from the Greek. What else is mistranslated? Why should I believe any of the Bible if they can't translate something important as that????

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      Aion is never translated world. It is translated as eternal. The places it is used speak of eternal life and eternal damnation.

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      SwordofManticorE 2 years ago from Burlington

      If aion is translated eternal, explain Matt 24:3

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      " if the greek word aion or its grammatical derivatives are used, their definition CANNOT be a FIXED meaning, that can be generalized consistently in each and every case where the word appears - it remains LIQUID waiting to poured into a mold, which is determined by the CONTEXT of the Scripture and the 'subject/object' to which it is ATTACHED. The definition of the noun/subject/object actually determines the definition of aion." http://www.shalach.org/Hell/greek%20aion.htm

      If aion does not mean "Eternal" according to the context, then God is not eternal because the Bible uses it in 1 Timothy 1:17:

      "17 Now unto the King eternal, (aionon) immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever (aionas) and ever (aionon). Amen"

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      SwordofManticorE 2 years ago from Burlington

      This Concordant translation is the most accurate translation to 1 Tim 1:17 Now to the King of the eons, the incorruptible, invisible, only, and wise God, be honor and glory for the eons of the eons! Amen! There is nothing here about eternal. There are new versions coming translating Matt 24:3 accurately. " And what is the sign of Thy presence and of the conclusion of the eon?" (age)

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      No the most accurate translation is the NASB. It is a word for word translation.

      "17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen."

      So God is not eternal? That is a major problem.

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      Try this on for size:

      Rom 16:25. Aions translated world. Kosmos is not present here. They knew people would c their deception if they put before the eternities.

      Also: just a small taste of KJ deception. Theres much more but just a taste.

      1 cor. 2:7 before the eternities

      heb. 1:2 God makes the forevers

      Col. 1:26 past eternities

      Gal. 1:4 present forever

      24:3 end of present eternity

      Lk. 18:30 the next forever

      Eph. 2:7

      Eph. 3:21 contrasting forevers

      1 Cor. 10:11 ends of the eternities.

      Check the NASB for its word for word translation of the above

      Ha

      Everybody knows there is no such thing as a word for word translation from one language to another without it being absolute giberish. Guess church hermanetics never taught you that.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      "25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which has been kept secret for long ages past," Romans 16:25

      World is not in there??????

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      In the king james aions is translated world. So, do you think perhaps the nasa or naacp or whatever bible you got that from knew that the sporitualy minded of today would be checking that one? Now it is obvious that they must know that aions could not mean forever because they just put long ages past. Bet they r not so honest in the other uses of aion, aions, aions of the aions and aionion. Am i wrong?

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      I prefer more modern translations like the NIV and NASB which are translated on much older manuscripts that the KJV was.

      Jesus' words:

      "47 And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48 where “‘the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.’" Mark 9:47-49

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      if ur bible uses any of the eternal words or hell it is catering to the churches. Shall i explain the verse above? Btw, did you know there were worms in gehenna? (Or maggots was probably the right translation but that is up for debate). No, not in the fire part. In the surrounding section that much of the garbage lay. I'll tell you something else, even though the fires of gehenna have long since expired, they never were quenched. That's because they had to burn up what they had to burn up before they ever went out. It takes man or nature to quench a fire. But i gaurantee that no campfire will burn forever, even in the driest dessert. C, u don't pay attention to the words. Quenched is very much a proper scriptural word. Christ never said I ain't gonna put it out.

      Now, shall i explain the scripture above?

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      Stargrrl 2 years ago

      Great job. Voted up.

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      Boy, the more i read ur exchanges with sword the dumber i think u r. Not backing his ad 70 theory on Jesus' talks on gehenna but you come back with the same ol church swill. " if there is no hell evil wins". WHAT?!!

      "If there is no hell then why tell people about Jesus?" All the more reason to tell people about Jesus. And then ur churchaholic comment: "if there is no hell then why did jesus die for us!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Breaths heavily!!!!!!!!!!!

      He died for us for the grandest purpose. So we all can be saved. Not from some stupid hell. From death, from disease, from our carnal mind, from idiotic comments like those you made above.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      Thanks Stargrrl!

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      If there is no hell, there is no reason for Jesus to die and there is nothing to be saved from. Your view makes Jesus' death and resurrection, meaningless.

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      In ur spirtually devoid opinion.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      Then what did Jesus die to save us from??? Nothing is the only answer if there is no hell.

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      I answered above. If He came to save us from some wicked eternal torture according then he is a failure. You r blind.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      If He came to save us from death (physical death), disease as you say above, then He would be a failure because the death rate is as it has always been, you live and you die. Everyone still gets sick, disease is rampant across the globe. He came to save us from the second death, hell.

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      Not once death is destroyed. Of course we die. And everyone dies twice, once physically and once to our carnal mind. Which order will you die in? Ur body or ur carnal sinful mind? If you physically die first then you will be judged in the Lake of Fire. That is the second death. Remember that part of scripture?

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      The 2nd death is spiritual death, hell. You will not get out of the Lake of Fire (hell). Purgatory is not a biblical teaching. Again, no Scripture to back up your proclamations.

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      Purga what? I don't belong to any church of men. Lake of fire is eonion. Know what an eon is. And i think every knee will bow more than proves that the lost wont stay lost. hundreds of others as well.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      No every knee will bow does not mean all will be saved. It means that those of us who come to saving faith in Christ will bow now, and those who do not will bow at the Great White Throne Judgment (Unbelievers).

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      Once they r saved blindy. Or will that b leg breaking time?

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      God's unspeakable holiness will cause them to bow.

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      What, right before he opens a trap door and says ha ha too late? And what do u mean cause? Isn't it the stance of hellers that we all have a free will and god will never cause us to do anything? U r sooooo clueless.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      You do not understand how holy God is. If we were to see Him in his glory, we would automatically hit our faces. John in Revelation, hit the ground because he saw an angel. God's glory and holiness are so much higher than that. The problem is that you want a god that you can fully understand and that makes sense (ie god is a god of love, so there can be no hell.) However, the God of the Bible, ruler of heaven and earth, is so much bigger than we can understand. The Bible says that His ways are not our ways.

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      Sounds like a sundy fundie teaching on tbn. He soooo holy and perfect that he creates billions of weak spirited creatures and expects them all to believe in and love him? Yeah right. And cooking people like fried chicken is acceptable due to his greatness? I think you want that to be true but if u actually witnessed such a depraved act u would puke. But not ur god huh?

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      Your view of God only has room for a god that loves everyone, but denies His Holiness. Your view undercuts the seriousness of sin. God's holiness requires sin to be punished. Paul writes in Romans 9:22:

      "What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction?"

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      Patience? He created us in this condition. You don't realize that the wrath is part of His plan. And u seem to think that i believe that the Great White Throne Judgment will b a picnic. I think it will b tougher for some but i don't want to go through. But if its necessary then i will have to. Its u that doesn't get it.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      The Great White Throne Judgment is for the lost where they will be thrown into hell for eternity. Believers go to the Judgment Seat of Christ to be judged on their deeds, to either be rewarded or enter heaven rewardless.

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      Thats what churches teach. In other words, mystery babylon the great, the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth.

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