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Contradictions in the bible

Updated on August 6, 2010

Just a list, do with it what you will....

  1. The last thing that Jesus said. There are three, count them three different versions that arent even remotely like one another. If the bible was inspired by god, then why are three different men writing three different versions of Christs last words? Matthew Luke and John all write his last words differently.
  2. In the book of luke, we are given two entirely different geneologies for Jesus. One goes back to Abraham, and one goes back to Adam.
  3. The bible speaks on how no man can see god and live, yet the bible also says god spoke to moses face to face like 2 friends.
  4. The bible says that animals were created before man, and than man was created before the animals. WTF?
  5. Aparently Adam was supposed to die the day he ate the fruit of the tre of knowledge of good and evil, but the bible says he lived over 900 years.
  6. Genesis says that Noah entered the ark, after it already said that he entered the ark.
  7. The bible says that Abraham had two sons, and then it says he had one.
  8. Aparently Abraham and his half sister got together and recieved god's blessings on it. But The bible also says incest is wrong.
  9. God forbids the making of ANY graven images. Then at a later time, god delights in 2 graven images. ?? Are you getting the picture? Men wrote these things down, and man is flawed.
  10. We all know that god forbids adultry, but then he tells Hosea to take a "wife of harlotry"
  11. Aparently David killed Goliath 2wice. Once with a slingshot, once with a sword.

 

 

You know what I dont understand??

 I dont understand how you can take the bible word for word when it contradicts itself hundreads of times. I mean, its even down to what they gave jesus to drink at the end. Was it wine with myrh? or was it vinigar? I guess we will never know because the people who put all of these stories together didn't proof read i guess.

I mean, christians have seriously told me that if the bible says something that  that means it is absolutely true. How can that be when more often than not in the bible there were two totally different stories for each scenario.

Like, you might want to take a look at some of the reasons why people like me have such a problem following something that isnt even true to itself. Its almost like a lie to say one thing and then in a matter of three scriptures say something totally different. I am finding out more and more that the bible is really just a book of stories, and im amazed at the impact it has had on people. Im starting to feel as though it is more of a question of loyalty than of belief.

I recently found out that Adam had a woman before Eve. Did you know that? That First it was a woman named Lilith who refused to lie under Adam because she was made as his equal? I know that its just a made up story, but still, there are facts there that some people will go their whole life without knowing. Why? Well, someone said that it was because most people are ignorant, and that the truth about Lilith is hidden from them because they wont be able to "understand it." Really? How do you feel about that? Not being told part of a truth because your to stupid to understand it. And aparently this Lilith is imortal, so shes still around somewhere. Yea.

I would really like to know what you have to say about all of this. What are your opinions? I mean, I want to hear from everyone. Because Comming onto hubpages as ive said a zillion times I really didnt know what my main belief was. But im definately weeding out what my beliefs arent. And I have to tell you, it makes me very sorrowful that  beautiful heaven is probably not there, and if it is, It has nothing to do with anything the bible tells us.

Every culture has its stories and beliefs. I mean, you dont find it funny that a bunch of people founded this country with the beliefe of their native country being in god, and that that is our main religeon in the united states? We have come to believe these things because we have been conditioned to believe them. They are in our face everyday, I mean even our currency says "in god we trust."

it is absolutely amazing to me the impact one book can have on so many. The thing is, I do not believe it is because this book is true. I believe that it is because As humans we ache and long for a reason. I do understand why people follow things, and put belief in things because it makes us feel that there is a reason, or that there is someone who is there when no one else is.

We need to believe more in ourselves. We need to stop asking for devine intervention when we have not exahausted all of our options. We need to realize that we are the ones with the power over our own lives, and that our potential will always be greater than our result.

Please think about what your life would be like if you truely put more faith in yourself than you did is something that you have no way of knowing is true.

 

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      Tijani Achamlal 4 years ago from Morocco

      Very interesting questions.I d like to add something here or let s say an explanation :

      Matthew ,Luke and John are not the real ones who wrote the Bible.Instead,it was written :

      1.By mysterious men.

      2.By an unknown number of men.

      3.In unknown places.

      4.In unknown dates.

      I wonder why people follow Paul's teachings instead of Jesus s. It is falsely claimed that Jesus appeared to Paul while Paul was on his way to Damascus after the "crucifixion" (Acts 9:2-4). Yet, Paul admittedly wasn't even sure whether the Holy Spirit was inspirning him or not). Moreover,none of the disciples, even in the false writings attributed to them, ever claimed that their writings were inspired or Divine. Not only that, but we even ironically see that Luke for instance, wrote his "gospel" for the sake of another person and not GOD Almighty and even the disciples even fought with each others.There are many other things I mentioned in one of my hubs called : Trinity exposed:Concept doesn't exist in Scripture.

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      Debra Allen 4 years ago from West By God

      Shared for you. I have many hubs that I unpublished and some of them did just as yours did. Every so called Christian claims things in the bible and they claim they have love, but they certainly do not show it. I was wondering where you went.

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      the pink umbrella 4 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      awesome comment :) I have unpublished this hub many times because of the arguments. it was one of the top ten hubs at one time because of all of the comments. At first it was kind if a response to something someone said that pissed me off in the forums, and then I started to feel toxic because all of the negativity.

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      Martie Coetser 4 years ago from South Africa

      Pink Umbrella, I like this hub of yours. Indeed, the bible contradicts itself hundreds of times.

      For more than half of my life I have studied the Bible with diligence, at first focused on the contradictions while searching for something, someone, that could kill all my human fears and insecurities and make all my dreams come true. Then, when I finally realized that death is the ONLY thing that will definitely - come hell or high water - happens to me, I started to focus on the compilers of the Bible. And, oh, what eye-openers they were...

      Then I took up mythology, and specifically that of the old Sumerians ...

      Then I took up astronomy, and geography, and psychology, history....

      Etc., etc, etc.

      Today I understand the human race - their urges, fears, tendencies, hopes, desires...

      I no longer waste a minute of my time - though I am doing it now - to share what I have learned. Or even to listen to the arguments of a Know-it-All. Because humans, including me, are not born to understand why we are living on an awesome planet in an astounding universe for only 70 years (if we are lucky).

      "Live and let live" is a simple motto that contains everything we need to BE and DO while we have the wonderful opportunity to 'think and therefore to be' on this beautiful planet Earth. (Descartes: I think, therefore I am.)

      Arguing about the Bible, and actually the obsessed focus on the Bible, which is indeed a beautiful book filled with awesome legends, history, literature and fantasy, reminds me of a troop of wild dogs devouring the carcass of an elephant. Yes, for millions the Bible is indeed spiritual food, but most of the millions eat like wild dogs - and even each other - while they are supposed to be - according to the Bible - representatives of God. (And here we are at the concept people have of God, or rather what they call 'God')

      Still an interesting topic of discussion, but such a waste of precious time.

      Thanks for the chat :)

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      jomine 5 years ago

      And thanks for the nice hub and discussion.

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      jomine 5 years ago

      If impregnating somebody's betrothed is adultery, then hasn't god committed adultery? So whats the punishment?

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      the pink umbrella 6 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      aaron- i read your comment twice, and am having trouble understanding what you have written. im not sure if you are a christian, a pagan, gay, straight, i dont know where the hell you are comming from. "you marriage law is illegal pagans say it violates their religeous beliefs" what? what the hell are you talking about. my marriage law? are you uncertain as to my position?

      next time you comment on something of mine please slow down and take your time to make sense. i cannot respond properly if i have no idea what you are talking about. you sound like you are half asleep or something.

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      aaron 6 years ago

      i can point out every detail why i was trained as a historian . first no religion wrote myths in symbolgy what was written was truth nothing hidden. second i seen contradictions itself. i seen gay being slander in old testment and then jesus proclaim gays to good i have not seen it as sin an abomation does not mean sin and ambomation is a english term not hebrew term. so gays and transsexuals are alright and so arnt pagans no where it says go out and convert no where does it say against pagans. the bible conveintlly made out of 50 versions of christ teachings this in it self would create romans reason to be rome for the church. i can prove and show you but you go and say i am an idiot and the bible is perfact . it pisses me off to see fundies use the old testment when christ said old testment no more on gays but completly contradict sex before and outside of marriage equal to your gay sin but these christen do it and see nothing wrong but preach about the these sins. and no were does it talk about hell dante invented it. convientlly the church updates the bible when it is proven wrong to prove it and homosexuality isnt either. i am sick of christens lies you marriage law is illegal pagans say it violates their religous beliefs.

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      the pink umbrella 6 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      OK, I UNPUBLISHED THIS HUB A WHILE AGO BECAUSE I WAS SICK OF EVERYONE ARGUING, AND ME BEING THE WRITER OF THE HUB, I STARTED TO FEEL LIKE SOME CNFLICT PUPPET MASTER.

      AFTER 6 MONTHS OF THOUGHT ANS CAREFUL SELF CHECKING, I HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THIS IS HOW I FEEL, AND NO MATTER HOW DIFFERENT THIS ARTICLE IS FROM MY OTHER HUBS, I HAVE DECIDED TO REPUBLISH IT.

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      simple sam- i like many people who dont take every single word in the bible for absolute fact, believe that if in fact the bible is by some weird magic true...then the ark story is just a fable, and the lions probably nuzzled with the lambs. Total and complete b.s. You absolutely right, were supposed to believe that the agressive animals ate nothing, or were just tame, and ate only what noah had on hand. right. Where did all of the animals go to the bathroom? i mean the place must have been caked with urin and feces. 2 of each animal, right? so, every animal made it? No one died...ok No my firend, your absolutely right, there is no concieveable way that this happened. Just like adam and eve. Just a story like the mustard seed. A parabol to learn from. A story of faith.

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      SimpleSam 7 years ago

      Any christians - please let me know - what did the lions eat for the 40 days on the ark? Bear in mind their teeth, the heat, the lack of refigeration and the fact that the animals on the ark were there to be protected.

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      schoolgirlforreal 7 years ago from USA

      wow so many comments man

      interesting & funny

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      epigramman 7 years ago

      ..how poetic you are - is your face still red - lol lol

      a gay and a christian enjoying cake, having their heart broken and stubbing their toe - absolutely fooking brilliant on your behalf - and as I always say - the beauty in people is in their differences - and how we should learn from one another and share in them.

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      epigramman- haha, now your just showing off with your ability to make my face red! lol. I had no idea the kind of response i would have when i wrote this, i was sure id be chased off by torches and pitchforks! But, i found out that theres one thing that both sides of the argument are forgetting... they arent as different as people as they wish. A gay rights activist and a die hard christian can both enjoy the same piece of chocolate cake, have their heart broken, and stub their toe. Theres no reason to focus only on our differences, this subject was something that made alot of people angry, but we do need to remember that were all people here.

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      epigramman 7 years ago

      ...I am so very very proud of you - that was the longest scroll down to the bottom of the screen - of all time!

      I had to put it on auto-scroll and make my breakfast and then I came back - it was still scrolling - happily I might add - and purring too!

      And it took so long - that Jesus made a comeback on Larry King Live ..... well that just goes to show you - there are two topics which get people all wound up and invite comments galore - politics and religion.

      And there's another kind of religion which gets me all wound up: you

      Your hubs amaze me with their breath and variety of subject material - you always make your readers think and feel and come alive with passion and strong opinion.

      I saw another film last night by the way - the documentary with Bill Maher called Religulous - which is about 'doubting the Bible'

      ...but one thing for sure I never doubt you!

      You're the cream in my morning coffee ....

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      ROTFL...lol

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      AKA Winston 7 years ago

      BROTHERYOCHANAN,

      They are playing your theme song:

      "Women seem wicked when you're unwanted

      Streets are uneven when you're down

      When you're strange

      Faces come out of the rain

      When you're strange

      No one remembers your name

      When you're strange

      When you're strange

      When you're strange"

      What was your name again???

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      By the way, nice hub score. Maybe if you spent a little less time in the forums stepping on non believers and a little more time doing what this site was built for...WRITING, then maybe you could get out of the 60's.

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      BROTHERYOCHANAN- hahahahahahaha. Miss Vanity? What makes me vain? Your way off your mark with that one, buddy. Yea, i get that there are "two deaths" but david didnt kill goliath and then kill him again. david had no power over sending goliath to hell. Your a freakin idiot. I didnt say two slayings were unscriptural, i said that whoever wrote it made an oopsie by deciding goliath would be killed with a stone, and then decided he would be killed with a sword, and didnt erase the first killing. My nasty mannerisms? Wow. Im serious, you didnt prove me wrong, but there is something really dark about you that i cant put my finger on. every time i see your profile picture, i get that feeling like i just watched a creepy horror movie. Oh, by the way...Christianity 101...the first think you learn being "defend all aspects of our religeon, even if you have no freaking clue what your talking about."

      You know, i recently watched a documentery on cults, and i have to tell you, your religeon doesnt seem that much different than a cult to me. You could be the world leader...your creepy looking enough.

      You must have been really bored today to come on this hub and comment, this hub is old, and were all pretty much done with this conversation. Thanks for stopping by, but your comments will no longer be approved or even read by me. You creep me out and I dont like your energy. I can just feel that youve done something horrible and i dont want any part of your words no matter how "right" you think you are. Let someone else who doesnt have a shaddow over them tell me im wrong. Id honestly take anyone over you.

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      brotheryochanan 7 years ago

      Don't come back! lol and i proved you wrong. I see what you are all about, miss vanity. You are always wrong. The fact that david slew goliath twice is perfect. First we all die a fleshly death and then the sinners die a spiritual death. Two slayings are not unscriptural at all.. Have your opinion but don't bash everybody around you for voicing theirs. Your nasty mannerisms give me the heebie jeebies, but i love showing that you are wrong. Christianity 101 knows more than you do.

      Enjoy!

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      anonymous- yea, i cant believe i keep responding. tried to end the conversation a few times, but thats what i get for publishing this hub!

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      anonymous 7 years ago

      lol i can't believe the pink umbrella girl has been on this for over a week.....chill out

      nobody cares

      let people believe what they want.

      I tell you I'm an atheist, and your gonna rant on about why your right and I'm wrong.

      just CHILL.

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      klran 26- there is no text alive that can erase the contradictions. Yes, im sure you can do your best rationalizing and debinking quite a few of them, but there are alot of contradictions in there that simply just are. You cant hide them, erase them or rationalize them, and the problem with different writers is as AKA has mentioned...different motives. I remain firm in what i have said, the bible is a weapon, not a road to salvation. No faith alive could change my mind, i dont care if sweet jesus himself came down and kissed me on the forehead...that would not make me look to that book for answers. Now, that being said, yea i read the bible, and have gotten inspiration, some "live by" sayings, and even some advice...but at no point have i ever felt that this book was not full of exagerations, tools, and lies.

      Forgive me for saying this, but you found nothing in my hub substantial enough for you, because you are still clinging to the loyalty surrounding your god. Which, is wonderful....but open you eyes.

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      AKA Winston 7 years ago

      (A bridge between our today world and the Bible's world, including cultural study, language study, additional informations and etc. So, you can understand what Bible had said in the contextual manner.)

      What KIran said here is certainly true, the historical-critical method of studying the Bible is used in theology schools worldwide. Most of us read in a "verticle" fashion, i.e., we start at the top left of the first page and read from there until finished. But to study contradictions in the Bible, a "horizontal" method is best employed, i.e., read a common story from two books side-by-side and compare details. For example, the passion. For historical accuracy, on what day and at what time did Jesus die? (And here is where KIran's advice is right, in that to know the day and times one has to know the customs of Jerusalem Jews at that time, because the dating method revolves around the Passover Day of Preparation and the Day of Passover itself.)

      The books of Mark and John disagree. In Mark, Jesus dies on the morning of Passover day. In John, Jesus dies on the afternoon of the Day of Preparation - the day BEFORE Passover.

      Why the differences? Different writers with different motives.

      John, the last of the Gospels to be written, favored a version of Christianity that promoted Jesus as "the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world." Indeed, the Gospel of John is the only one that indicates this sacrificial lamb aspect of Jesus.

      The Passover lambs were slaughtered on the Day of Preparation, therefore John has Jesus (the lamb of God) die on the Day of Preparation, while Mark, written much closer to the actual date of death and with no theological ax to grind, has Jesus die on Passover day.

      It certainly appears as if the writer of John made a change in the dating to support a theological viewpoint that was not shared by the writer of Mark.

      And NOW you know the REST of the story.

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      klran26 7 years ago

      sorry if you got angry when you have read my comment. What I'm trying to say that all people need companion books when they read bible. It applied for all people, whether they are Christian, new Christian, non Christian, and even priest or Theology students.

      We should using dictionary, encyclopedia and some other companion books. These books usually provide solid and valid informations. A bridge between our today world and the Bible's world, including cultural study, language study, additional informations and etc. So, you can understand what Bible had said in the contextual manner.

      What I said about the lacking of knowledge was because your title. I expected some fact, strong opinions and etc. But, I didn't find it on this article.

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      Olde Thyme Religiosity- dont hold your breath my friend, dont hold your breath,lol

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      Olde Thyme Religiosity 7 years ago

      Well, The Pink Umbrella, thanks for getting the whole thing set straight. Bible written by (mostly) men, stories not really worth much to most of the world since there are many more non-christians than there are christians, and even among the christians there are deep divisions.

      Maybe they're terrorists who want to indoctrinate us to follow blindly the paths to self-destruction. Oh,no, wait ... that's what al Qaeda does, isn't it? Convert or die? It CAN'T be TRUE that fundamentalist christians are anything like al qaeda, could it?

      TELL ME IT AIN'T SO, JOE!

      The day when the majority of humanity wakes up and discovers that all this religiosity is just a way to control their minds, actions and bank accounts, we will have take one giant leap into becoming a better species.

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      AKA- thank god for you, or i would have drowned in a world of my own stupidity. :)

      Listen up people, i aint got no book learnin, so cancha skool me on that bible thang use all talkin bout?

      Jesus christ..............

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      AKA Winston 7 years ago

      Yeah, Pink-er-roo, don'tcha know nuthin'? What are ya, a fundie moron or something? :-))

      Learn this and prosper, chick-a-doo:

      The Bible is metaphor when it is convenient to be labeled metaphor, like that crazy story about living for 3 days in the belly of a "great fish". (Nobody really believes that crap, not even the Adventists - and they believe everything!)

      The Bible is Lewis Carrol's Queen of Hearts when it is convenient for "a word to mean exactly what I want it to mean when I use it, and not a single thing more!" Adam only died in s-p-i-r-i-t, see? The Bible is also a Richard Pryor impersonator: "Adam wasn't really dying, dying, he was just k-i-n-d of dying."

      The Bible is also a rerun of Law and Order and Perry Mason, when it is convenient to comment on the Mystery of the Missing Son. "So, Mr. Israel, you DO have a second son who resides in the second city this second? And that's why you murdered the first?"

      And lastly, the Bible is symbollic - because I say so.

      Hope this cures your ignorance! :-)) As Mr T. always said, Pity the fool!

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      klran- im going to stop reading at the very begining of your comment.

      I do not take the bible literally, and am amazed that people actually do, its rediculous to do so. Did you even read my hub?

      Your first two comments were ok, but now, as you keep commenting, you are starting to want to "explain" things to me.

      Im no novice when it comes to the study of the bible.

      "My suggestion : read the background (the context, the culture, the philosophy, and the stylistic of Bible) before you are posting some article like this. It not shown anything but the lacking of knowledge that you have in a literature. Sorry, I'm not trying to personally attack your intelligence."

      Not showing anything but the lack of knowledge i have in literature?

      Are you out of your fu*king mind?

      You are wrong, you see me as not openminded because i do not believe as you do.

      Everyone has a different interpretation, excuse, or reason why everything in the bible is true, and haha it seems to me that they are all different.

      I am the most open minded person you will ever come across. I mean...i read the bible every day, along with whatever else im looking into at the moment.

      I can see you now, you come here seemingly nice, and then read, and get frusterated. Dont start an argument my friend, i will shut you down like no ones business.

      We have gone over and over everything you probably mentioned here more than once, and im really tired of telling people off.

      You say your not personally attacking me, but then you tell me my "lack of knowledge...."

      Yea, your calling me ignorant. I am not, I am well read, and anything but ignorant.

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      zzron....Awe....big hug? lol

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      zzron 7 years ago from Houston, TX.

      I'm glad you like me Pink, you are so sweet and I like you to. I guess we can agree to disagree :)

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      and also with you...lol

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      rescueachild 7 years ago from San Jose, Ca

      PEACE

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      AKA- yea, fu*k off! just kidding :)

      lol

      Rescue child- maybe AKA had a bad week...or maybe he was just tired of watching us non believers get attacked by believers for voicing our opinions. Either way, AKA is welcome to say whatever he chooses on my hubs, he has gained my respect as someone who knows where he stands, and hasn't said one thing on this page that he has had to apologise for.

      I think you might just be a little upset that there werent 3 or 4 people backing you up in your attacks towards me, yet low and behold, there is someone here who dosnt think the way you do, pointing out how wrong what you said was. I accept your apologie, but it doesnt erase what you said.

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      rescueachild 7 years ago from San Jose, Ca

      Look Loserfreak I settled my differences with Whom I WAS talking too. I wasn't talking to YOU! You are such a LOSER for keeping it going! MYOB!!!!!! You want to call people sluts???? Whatever! I can care less. I admitted I was wrong so go F*** yourself! Sounds to me like you your just spouting off to get attention because this now has NOTHING to do with what WE were talking about. Please.... SAVE IT!

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      AKA Winston 7 years ago

      Rescueachild,

      YOU ARE THE VICTIM???? LMFAO!!!!!

      You said,

      (First off, you are rude and mean!)

      Start with an insult. I guess your reading of the Bible kept you away from How to Win Friends and Influence People.

      You follow by calling her stupid

      (No wonder you can't understand the true meanings of the Bible)

      You make a bald-ass unproven assertion, just like saying Santa is real, and I bet you had your lower lip stuck out:

      (which is "inspired by God,")

      You show your true colors of hate and bigotry

      (I am actually A Christian who can care less if you believe or not,)

      And then your schizoprenic paranoia

      (because your attack on us is evident.)

      Then you return to odious insults:

      (Dense People obviously just can't understand)

      Claims of false God-inspired enlightenment:

      (I have figured out over the years, and always argue every little sentence in the Bible. God gives true knowledge and understanding of the Bible with the spirit.)

      MORE INSULTS:

      (I am not going to even bother to give you my testomony)

      and a paranoid, false conclusion

      (because you just want to bash Christians for what they believe, and make fun of their faith. This is why you built this hub.)

      And then some good, Christian sarcasm just like Jesus taught you to do:

      (Good job! I hope you feel so proud! You accomplished your mission but remember this: Regardless of whether YOU believe it or not, doesn't make it NOT true.)

      And then you finish on a high note of paranoid schizophrenic hate:

      (Now your little Christian bashing game is over.)

      AND THEN YOU HAVE THE GALL TO SAY, OH, GEE, SORRY, I HAD A BAD WEEK!!!!

      You're just a typical fundie, full of bitterness and hate because cognitive dissonance has caused you to ignore all rational thought and exist in a world of make believe - and therein lies the definition of psychosis, one who cannot differentiate real from the imaginary.

      You are as unstable as an IED - don't blow yourself up in a crowd, please, trying to prove the Christian heaven exists as the Bible proclaims.

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      rescueachild 7 years ago from San Jose, Ca

      First of all Winston ~ f*** off ~ I wasn't talking to you! Slut? Is that really what you have to say? What a loser!

      Pink Umbrella, I said what I had to say on your other hub. I can care less what anyone else believes and I just felt you were attacking Christians. I aplogise for my overreaction it's been a hard week.

      Peace!

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      Faye Constantino 7 years ago from Florida

      Just that the biblical stories are not meant to be taken literally or as history. Even the generations, numbering and years of life are not meant to be "gospel truth" just as the Story of Atlantis is not meant to be taken as a history of a real people, as Dante's Inferno was not a real picture of hell, the Bible is not a real history of man or of life on earth. The Bible is a collection of stories meant to work at enlightening us, just as the teachings of Buddha enlighten... That's what the Kabballah and Zohar are, studies into what the text means. To do that the study of the letters, not the words or sentences or stories, but the study of the meaning of each character is necessary.

      I was once told that if God wanted to reveal all of his nature and history to us the library would be so vast the earth could not contain it. If that is true, and each letter in the bible is really a word, or concept, then that would account for side by side contradictions in the translated form. The scribes were translating words, not concepts and ideas. Just a thought.

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      Faybe bay- had no idea what those two involved, guess they are useful if you need help in understanding the bible. Thanx for the comment.

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      AKA- no apology necessary here! that was funny, though, lol. Thanks for the compliment, love is a very important thing, and its something to be valued and believe in. Of all things invisible, you cant deny love!

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      Faye Constantino 7 years ago from Florida

      Hi Pink, I hope you don't mind if I call you Pink. I will first give you my two favorite interpretations, one from Kaballah, and one from The Zohar.

      In Kaballah the letter of the law, as it were, is spelled out in the letter of each word. To come to the "words" of God then you must approach the Alphabet. Aleph (first letter, or sound pronounced by Adam's {man's} mouth) means God. Our first sound meant God. The character given the sound and the word to name the sound Aleph, is God. The second sound and name of the sound is Beth. and the character, name and sound meant House. Aleph-Beth Alphabet= House of God. The alphabet with which we speak, the words we make, they are God's House. God lives in our words. God's Words spoke all that is into being. "He said, Let There be Light, and there was Light, and he saw the Light was good."

      From the Zohar: God suffers with his people because he gave them his most prized possession, to travel with them day and night to comfort and keep them. God gave Mankind his words... His words are his Wife... His Soul Mate, his Other Half, His Power. As long as she is with man God will not destroy Man. But God will punish any which defile his wife (think of the liars who use God's word to enslave and harm others rather than enlighten them). Ironically, my favorite Billy Joel song is called "You're my Home" and was written as an anniversary gift for his first wife, because he had no money to buy her anything... He gave her words.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4D40r-E7yk

      After this the Bible becomes much easier to understand.

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      AKA Winston 7 years ago

      Pink Umbrella,

      Sorry, but that kind of paranoid, bible-thumping attack was uncalled for. It simply illustrates what I had to say in one of my hubs that: love is a decision and an action.

      Attacking someone like that is an action - but it AIN'T based on LOVE.

      The thumpers like to quote their authority and feel all squishy inside about their God.

      You, on the other hand, I would bet show more real love in a day than most Thumpers manage in a lifetime.

      I really liked your hub and your thinking - and not a single one of us is special. We are all fuck ups. Humans. There is no need for salavation from self - what do you say, Father forgive me, because I'm a fuck up? If you made me, then you made a fuck up. What the hell did YOU expect me to do?

      Does a scorpion ask forgiveness for stinging his prey?

      Keep up the humanity, Pink. That's where real salavation lies. Good job.

      Btw, I decided a few years ago to stop ignoring the Christian Fundamentalist, not be nice to them, and call them out on their ignorance when they tried to form into a political force.

      They can handle snakes in their basement; when they bring the snakes onto the place it's time to call Samuel L. Jackson to kick some Fundie ass!

      "And you will KNOW that I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee!"

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      AKA- lol............thats not very nice..... :)

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      AKA Winston 7 years ago

      (Jesus said it is our faith in Him that saves us)

      Rescueachild,

      As Dan Akroyd once said on Saturday Night Live, "Jane, you ignorant slut!"

      You don't have the first CLUE what Jesus said about ANYTHING, because all you have left of your precious NEW TESTAMENT are copies of copies of copies, written in Greek, of lost writing of unknown authors who in all likelihood were ILLITERATE FISHERMEN, whose native language was NOT GREEK BUT ARAMIC.

      They could have told you about how to catch Mackeral, but they couldn't have written down directions to the bait shop, much less taken dictation from Jesus.

      In fact, for all you know, Jesus may have said, "Believe in me I've got swampland in Galilee to talk to you about." Then he mumbled "idiotic Gentiles," under his breath.

      If you want to bash, bash with honesty that you really have no clue what anyone said 2000 years ago - there weren't any tape recorders around and the stenographers were busy in Egypt and Kelly Girl was still an ovary.

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      AKA- nothing sarcastic meant by that, just that it was awesome info you shared. Feel free to say "see my hub...blah blah " I know its frowned apon on hubpages, but i never mind anothers perspective being shared with thise who read my hub, weather its in sync with my views, or not. :)

      But i do get you there, i dont promote my hubs on others pages, either.

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      AKA Winston 7 years ago

      (AKA- and you didnt share this earlier because....?)

      Pink, darling, it was your hub. I have my own hubs where I cover such things. Like I said, I do not like to promote my own hubs in others' comments.

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      Lets not forget miss moo, that you called me names first.

      As for my family, you would be wise to stay away from that conversation. Issues...seems you have a few of your own, so dont go there.

      I am not "lureing" anyone in just to bash them. You must be a sick person, if you are even able to think that way. just remember, it is the liar that trusts no one. If you are thinking that that is what i am doing, you might want to look inside at the person you really are.

      Its fuuny that you think im dense, yet you have taken this entire hub as a personal insult, lol.

      I happen to be a very intelligent person. Kind of helps in seeing through the b.s. to get to the real truth of the matter.

      I am sorry you have fallen into something that forces you to defend without any rationality.

      My i remind you that this is my hub, and it belongs to me. Your comments are approved by me. You have a place to express your hateful anger, i suggest you keep to it.

      I had no idea my hub was front page news, i have written a few hubs like it, and it never happened before, so if your implying that i did this on purpose, well thats another issue you may want to look into yourself. Funny, its always the ones capable of such things that think that they have the market cornered on others intentions.

      I am actually, not a mean person. But i think that you have definately shown how nasty you are.

      Your past is no ones fault, stop taking your anger out on me, and take it up with your therepist.

      As for the bashing, i actually have the free right to bash whomever i choose, although ha, its not my style. you christians seem to have no problem bashing the life choices of others, yet get all uptight when anyone throws a stone in your direction.

      And no one hates christians just because of catholics, thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard. Dont you realize that how you represent yourselves is where the criticism comes from, you silly little lamb.

      Your fellow christian brothers and sisters, who for all you know are going straight from my comment box to watch kisddie porn. Go ahead, form an alliance with people you dont know. lol.

      I had no "bad experience" Just enlightening ones. The experiences ive had saved me from becomeing like you. Thank the sweet sweet option to choose for that one.

      If your repeated comments are an attempt to show how right you are, and how wrong i am, its not going to happen here. So go write a hub about it. Bash me all you want on your own pages, because unlike you, i wont be going on anothers hub to tell them not to write what they want.

      ha, although i have written a comment or two on pages who bash gays...

      because weather or not you like it, we as people have freedom. Freedom to love whomever, and live however we want.

      So you and your "brothers and sisters" should think about how you treat those "sinners" before you dare tell anyone to be silent about how the ways of your religeon are mean, discriminatory, and just plain wrong.

      My personal opinion on you? Your seeking to be right. Im sorry, babe, but on my page, your just another angry woman who is out of midol. Your opinion is not valued by me because i dont wind any goodness in your intentions.

      Im going to leave you with your opinion, as it is obvious you are not like your "brothers and sisters"

      Your defending nothing, you just want to be part of the discussion, and stand out, thats what i think.

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      rescueachild 7 years ago from San Jose, Ca

      Cow? WOW..... you are dense.

      I am tired of Christian bashers like yourself who try and find reasons to call us names because of our beliefs. Yes, congrats on your hub because it is front page news now, and that is how I found you. Now everyone will know I do NOT put up with people Christian bashers!

      I am sick of reading crap from people who like you who bait Christians into a discussion to bash them. I'm sorry your family has issues but that does NOT give YOU the right to bash us Christians. Nobody is perfect, but you seem to think that we are supposed to just stand around and take it like so many others.

      I read your comments toward my fellow Christian brothers and sisters, and you are RUDE, MEAN, & make no sense at all. I am not trying to convert you and I am ALSO EXPRESSING MY OPINION! I am so sick of people like you who try and make us look bad because YOU had a bad experience. That's not our fault so stop taking it out on us. The whole country is against Christians now because of the sins of the Catholic church! That's not our fault either. Get over yourself and bashing Christians when they try to EXPRESS their opinions. IT is a two way street!

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      FabyBay- Bring on the kaballah, as you know, im always open to discovery. I love how some try to twist my words so that they may seem victemized by what i have said. Ya gotta laugh at that! You are free to leave in the comments or email me any information you have that you are willing to share about different belief systems, i am totally open. I myself have been diving into buddhism, but i have alot of time, and a searching heart. Funnily enough, my searching heart is why i started studying the bible for myself. It was an honst attempt to gain perspective for myself instead of having someone do it for me who i believed to be full of $hit. lol. I didnt think he had a clue as to its message, and although i was right about him, i was sad to discover i found nothing in the bible that seemed to lead to "salvation" Only a list of rules and regulation that dont seem very devine to me. i actually really tried pretty hard to force myself to be catholic, because my grandmother is, and although i hate her, i felt kind of a pull towards that direction. Only to find out that all christianity is the same with slight variations, and the catholics werent to happy about a non catholic comming to church and taking that sacrament. I was actually told not to recieve the bread and wine as i was not a catholic. How can a christian do that? Tell another when its right to recieve the body and blood of christ? Who are they? If im correct, the first to receive were meerly followers at a table, and they didnt have to go through confirmation to do it. I dont know, anyway, i could go on forever about the aweful ways that the bible, even though i do not believe it is "gods word" has been twisted and turned onto something so unrecognizable, that if there is a god, he himself is probably screaming from the heavens "what the hell are you talking about, thats not what i meant...."

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      Faye Constantino 7 years ago from Florida

      When you feel ready for it, I will bring you some well deserved respite in the Kaballah and Zohar. Ironically these mystics do not take the Torah and Talmud at face value, but seek the hidden meanings of the text. The idea being that each letter of a word has it's own meaning that is to be contemplated. When you put the stories into that perspective, that it's really code (much like Nostradamus' quatrains) it makes any discrepancies much easier to understand. Think of the last book of the Bible, where it says "Let him who has understanding hear what the spirit is saying to the churches..." Obviously it is not for the "Churches" to understand this work, but for "him who has understanding". Further allusions to the fact that the whole Bible is a work of codes within stories is available throughout the book itself. Even the story of creation is not about creation, but about enlightenment, which is why it starts with "Let there be light..." Of course your ministers won't tell you that, because they don't think you are ready for the truth. And they paid to go to school to learn it, didn't they? So if we want to know we have to go to them? No, we just have to know where to look for the truth.

      Big Hugs to you, Pink Umbrella. No, you have not tried to harm any Christians, just tried to wake them up so that they might become more enlightened. That they would follow their heart into goodness, instead of trying to squeeze goodness into their heart. By virtue of the fact that we are all one, that is why we should be kind and loving toward one another; not because the book that may or may not have been transcribed, by those who may or may not have heard it from God. Why is it so hard for people to see that we should have morality because it is right, not because it "May get us into Heaven". I personally believe in God, and that he is so disappointed that we are still "Straining at a gnat, yet swallowing a camel."

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      Wrath Warbone- thank you very much. I find a certain inner freedom in expressing my true feelings. Its helped me more than you will ever know.

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      Faybe Bay- lol, are you kidding? After that last crazy commentor, i need something nice! This hub is one of the top ten hottest? Thats weird to me! its not even on my page right away, you have to click the arrow over where it lists my hubs!

      Thanks for the compliments, really. Hopefully not everyone thinks that im sitting here actually hateing christians for their views, just want the freedom to publish mine without getting burned a tthe steak.

      I also find it interesting that someone can come on here and call me all sorts of names, and then say that im mean and rude.

      you know what this country would be like if we werent allowed to talk about our points of view, and freely say what we think? Try living in nazi germany circa 1919. That was the begining of something aweful. If you reach back far enough, my Great great...etc grandmother Lazitus could tell you a thing or two about that...So im not about to hold my feelings in ...for anyone (ahem...rescuechild)

      Im up tp the task of defending myself, because im honest and despite what many people think, i feel my heart is pure.

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      rescue child- and what do you call comming in here and calling me mean and rude and dense? yea, i think id call that childish, mean, and rude!! stupid cow....

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      Terry Chestnutt 7 years ago from Cleveland, Ohio

      Thanks for getting a discussion going. That is always a good thing. And keep on deciding for yourself. You will grow wise by being honest with yourself about the way things seem to you.

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      Faye Constantino 7 years ago from Florida

      Hi Pink Umbrella! I wanted to let you know (in case you didn't know) that when I brought up Hub Pages, this is one of the top hottest hubs. I was mighty impressed and wanted to congratulate you. It's going to get hotter, as everyone who visits HP's home page will see that it is top rated. I am sorry that you have to spend so much time defending your views, but it appears you are up to the task. You have over 200 comments and that is just enormous for 9 days, plus you have an actual debate going on with thought out responses on both sides. This hub has become a living thing, and I know that there was a point you thought of leaving HP because of the animosity that comes from some of the harsher prospects. I am proud of you for sticking it out, and for standing your ground. Good job. Excellent, really! :) Nothing is ever so enlightening than a writer who actually makes the reader think. Oh and this comment is for you, not your fans, so you can accept it or deny as you please. I know it adds nothing to the hub or the debate, I just wanted to give you a well deserved pat on the back.

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      rescueachild 7 years ago from San Jose, Ca

      Exactly my point, mean and rude!

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      oh, i forgot...thanks for comming by. I hope the comment you left allowed you just enough time to stay occupied while your ice cream softened on the counter. Thanks for increasing my hubtraffic, and feel free to dump your misplaced anger on me again.

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      lmfao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Exploit your family?

      Your outting me?? thats laughable. Let me twll you something hunny, if theres anyone that has outed me on my pages...its me. Im not mean and hateful, im tired. Tired of being treated like im dirty because im not running around agrreing with christians and slapping people with a bible.

      No doubt your christian friends will see you as victorious for takeing down the poor pathetic non believer. Well, i find you rediculous.

      And what about you and your christian frineds? And your condesention on all of those who choose not to subscribe to your fairy tales? You are telling me that your attacks dont hurt as much as our defense against you?

      Someone voices their opinion, and because its not yours, you tell them you will "pray for them." Like they are lost and hopeless.

      So right back at you...just because you believe something does not make it true...no matter what mommy told you.

      Oh, and by the way...I have said over and over again that its not the christians im up against...its the pushy mean condesending hipocriticle christians.

      My christian bashing game is over? Is that what you see when you look at my words?

      I have more love for strangers that i meet on the street than you have for yourself.

      I trust more openly, give more freely, and forgive with more sincerity than you know.

      You do not know me...

      So dont sare come on here pretending you have any idea what i am talking about when the only thing you recognized on this page was that i dont believe in god.

      I have no idea if there is a god, and i do not believe in your bible.

      I could give a rats a$$ about your testimony, although its apparent you desperately needed to mention that you have one.

      I built this hub because i love to write, and i wanted to express myself.

      EXPRESS MYSELF.

      You know, what people do, when they show other people their thoughts and feelings...

      But im sure your individuality goes no further than the cross you bedazzled onto your bible case.

      I was so tired of being attacked and "ministered" to, that yes, i decided to voice my opinion. So sorry if it wasnt your favoirite bedtime story, but im not out to please you or anyone else for that matter.

      And if by family, you mean the entire christian population, not all of them see my hub as an attack.

      your comment is amusing, but seriously, what are you trying to prove here.

      "Jesus said it is our faith in Him that saves us. Not your permission to believe in our faith:) "

      That sentance is the most absurd thing that ive ever heard.

      You want to know what i believe?

      that there are actually people out there who dont need the threat of hell to be decent people.

      that if there is a heaven, my son will get in based on his good heart, and not his final confessions.

      that people have it within them to change.

      Your portrayl of your god is that of a mean hearted beast who requires daily affirmation.

      you people treat the bible as if it were its on god.

      I am not picking apart tiny sentances, i am merely stateing that the entire thing is full of inconsistancies, lies (note the comment about how the names of matthew mark luke and john arent even real names) and falsifications.

      It hilarious that you all take a story that was meant to be a tale to learn from into an actual event. I was 12 and was suprised when my teacher told me that Adam and Eve were "real people."

      Know that every religeous hub i do is evoked out of an attack or a slam in the direction of my particular beliefs.

      Its a response.

      This is how i feel, and no ammount of scolding on your part is going to change that.

      You know, when you write your nasty little comment in my box, remember that you are writing it to a mother, a daughter, someone who struggles day to day to keep things stable, a sister, a giving person, a lover of stephen king...

      In essence, im a person. A person who does not believe what you believe. And if that makes you angry, well theres nothing i can do about that. Because if i was on here standing on a pulpit, writing in all caps that SINNERS WILL BURN FOR ALL ETERNITY...

      you wouldnt even have left a comment. If i was on here telling people that they were retarded for not getting right with the lord, you wouldnt have made a comment.

      But because im writing an article, and makeing comments that dont flow with your faith, here you are, being nasty as all get out.

      Lets see, im dense, im mean, im a christian basher...

      My hub angers you, i get it.

      but wow, you dont even care if i ever "get saved"

      Thats nice.

      nice to know your comfortable feeling that i will burn for all eternity.

      Your a real sweet heart yourself.

      So what brought you down my little yellow brick road? Angry family member? Pissed preacher? Or were you looking for someone to dump you menopausal beotch attack on?

      Ha, outted me. thats funny. Im not the one hiding behind my fathers leg yelling judgement to anyone that passes who isnt wearing white.

      All of my thoughts and feelings are here, plain and clear for all to see.

      your anger screams of fear...and thats something.

      you think im the devil...well booga booga.

      I love how you wrote "your little christian bashing game is over"

      ill tell you whats what.

      your response is tired, and its been heard over and over in so many ways.

      i am through trying to save the feelings of those who consider people not unlike myself to be "lost"

      save your rants for someone who cares.

      Im going to remain ture to myself, no matter who doesnt like it.

      Dont tell me whats over, because nothing was started to begin with. Only my heart pouring onto a screen.

      So if you dont like it, dont read it. Tell me hunny, do you study your bible daily? Or do you let some over stuffed fat "man of god" do it for you while you nod your head in agreement muttering "Amen?"

      Do some reading, im right and there is nothing you can do about it.

      You refuse to check and see for yourself. you refuse to look at what is right in front of you.

      God may be there, but he didnt write that piece of crap, and i know that to be true.

      jesus, i would hate to have someone write something that wasnt even close to how i felt just so that they could control others.

      The bible is no road to salvation, its a weapon used on innocent hearts, because some controlling manipulative power monster wanted things his way.

      I feel bad for you.

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      rescueachild 7 years ago from San Jose, Ca

      First off, you are rude and mean! No wonder you can't understand the true meanings of the Bible which is "inspired by God," I am actually A Christian who can care less if you believe or not, because your attack on us is evident.

      Dense People obviously just can't understand I have figured out over the years, and always argue every little sentence in the Bible. God gives true knowledge and understanding of the Bible with the spirit.

      I am not going to even bother to give you my testomony because you just want to bash Christians for what they believe, and make fun of their faith. This is why you built this hub.

      Good job! I hope you feel so proud! You accomplished your mission but remember this: Regardless of whether YOU believe it or not, doesn't make it NOT true.

      Jesus said it is our faith in Him that saves us. Not your permission to believe in our faith:)

      Now your little Christian bashing game is over.

      FYI:::Yes, I am a Christian and I feel NO guilt for outing you! I don't like people to exploit my family. Cheers!

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      zzron- i like you so i will refrain from commenting on everything that is wrong with what you just said. kisses!

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      zzron 7 years ago from Houston, TX.

      My thought has always been that if God was not real and did not create everything, the earth, the sun, the stars and planets, all of the animals and plant life and people, then how did we all get here on earth in outer space ? We all had nothing to do with how we got here and our parents had nothing to do with how they got here and so on. People talk about this BIG BANG but how could there be a big bang without first something being created to cause a big bang ?

      My second thought on heaven and hell if they exist or not has always been that it seems better to believe its true and real and find out later that it wasn't real than not to believe they are real or exist and find out later when its to late that they are real and do exist. Its true that we all will be dead much longer than we will have ever been alive and forever is a very long time. But I do think the Bible has to be studied a lot to understand it and there may be parts of it that we may never understand not because we are too stupid but because some of it is above our comprehension.

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      AKA- and you didnt share this earlier because....?

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      AKA Winston 7 years ago

      (...not one of the original apostles wrote a single word about Jesus and what he said or thought but these guys did.)

      Completely true. Also, the names Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are all ficticious - no one knows the true authors. The only surviving copies are written in Greek, not the Aramic that the disciples spoke. Plus, at that time, only about 10% of the population was literate, and the disciples were fisherman, most likely unable to read or write. Any early stories were passed along orally, as legend.

      ([Jesus] was a jew who followed jewish who followed jewish doctrine. He had no interest in starting a new religion. The Romans did.)

      Again, 100 points for accuracy. Jesus preached to Jews about Judaism and had no interest in gentiles. There were many, many variations of early Christianity, all competing for converts along with the religion of Mithraism.

      With the help of the Roman Emperor Constantine, Orthodox Christianity won out and the other writings that varied from Orthodoxy vanished or were destroyed, while new versions of Orthodox scriptures were added and existing texts altered to make it appear more likely that Jesus was the Messiah.

      The book of Mark, for example, originally ended with Chapter 16:8 - the rest was added, most likely in the 2nd century.

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      penningl- hey, thanx! im running over to your hubs to see what you have to offer!

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      penningl 7 years ago from U.S.

      Great hub, thoroughly enjoyed reading and am looking forward to reading more of your hubs. Keep up the good work.

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      Moonchild- your comment is very welcome, and i hope well recieved, although, know that the wolves will decend on it when they do come by to read.

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      Moonchild60 7 years ago

      It is interesting I was having a conversation literally 3 days ago with a theologian who told me several things I had no idea about the bible. He told me that the 4 writers "chosen" Mark, Luke, Matthew and John were not the only ones who wrote about Jesus, there were others. At the time they were putting the bible together these 4 were the most popular. They realized they could choose just one. In order to gather the most followers, they chose the 4 who had the biggest amount of followers. Additionally, he said that we must take notice that not one of the original apostles wrote a single word about Jesus and what he said or thought but these guys did. Why? Some say it was illegal to follow Jesus true, but that would have never stopped the 12 men who knowingly followed Jesus all along and who didn't know this? He said it is believed that Jesus did not want them to write it down, he wanted them to preach his word, spread his words, not create a religion. He was a jew who followed jewish doctrine. He had no interest in starting a new religion. The Romans did. They wanted one of their own and took a great deal from Judaism and Paganism. The reason the bible contradicts itself is that these 4 guys never compared notes. They wrote their own stuff and when the powers that be put these 4 writers together in the bible they did not bother to compare stories. They had to leave them "as is" as each mans followers knew their stories and they could not be changed. We have no idea where these "other" stories are and whether or not they exist or were destroyed. There is literally, literally, no way in the world to know what was or was not said by Jesus or what stories were fabricated. No way in the world. I just thought I would add this as this is what we discussed and it was not mentioned here. Thanks. Very good, thought provoking hub btw...

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      AKA- yes, that has to be my favorite quote of all time.

      yea, i know why they get mad, but i just think they should calm down and shut the fu*k up about it. Dont mean to be so crass, but seriously thumpers...shut the fu*k up. Go ahead, flag me...wont be the first time.

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      AKA Winston 7 years ago

      (Why when that is said do some get so angry? ...that does not mean that there isnt a god)

      Pink Umbrella

      Having been raised and subjected to the equivalent of religious abuse in a fundamental evangelical home, I can add something to your understanding here.

      The reason so many fight so hard is that ANY God won't do, it has to be THEIR interactive God who created the world, died for sins, yada, yada, yadi. More liberal groups like Catholics and Episcapalians don't have such severe restrictions and would most likely agree with you. In fact, the Catholics have said there is no conflict between religion and evolutionary theory.

      Of course, to the hard-core evangelicals, Catholics aren't real Christians (fancy that, the first and oldest group of Christians are the real ones).

      But for the inerrantists (those who believe the Bible as infallible word of God), i.e., morons, it is not enough to have a non-personal God who creates and then steps out of the picture. No, no, no! Their God is actively involved in day-to-day living of the believers, from faith healing to daily salvations to casting out demons.

      (sell crazy someplace else...were all stocked up here.........)

      As Good as It Gets - terrific movie.

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      Now, if theres nothing further, id like to thank you all for comming and commenting. This hub had a good run, and im happy and proud to say theres around 200 comments. That means i made you think, evoked emotion, or peaked your interest. What more can a hubber ask for!

      Feel free to continue to comment, but my comments will be few and far between on this one from now on, i think ive made my point, and anything further would be superfluous at this point.

      @--->--->--- -The Pink Umbrella.

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      noturningback- sell crazy someplace else...were all stocked up here.........

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      edwardstips- i admire your candor.

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      ZXC- no one likes a mr. sarcastic.

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      noturningback 7 years ago from Edgewater, MD. USA

      1 Corinthians 10:23 (New International Version)

      The Believer's Freedom

      "Everything is permissible"—but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible"—but not everything is constructive.

      1 Corinthians 13:13 (New International Version)

      And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

      There are many books in this world and many are very good at instructing how to accomplish goals, there are none like this book, the Bible as a whole. The two verses above are very beneficial to anyone leading a long and productive life. I met two 93 year old men on the same day and both of them said "Be happy with what you have".

      Let us be happy with the overall message of the Bible and let us love life and seize the day "Carpe diem" for only the LORD knows how much or little time we have here.

      This is the day the LORD has made, I will rejoice and be glad in it.

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      zxc 7 years ago

      what is this

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      weekend in bristol- your welcome, im forever shareing myself, so come back and enjoy!

      Culturespain- Yes, i liken the creation stories to ancient native american tales. People wanted to know how everything came to be, so someone told a great story of gods, or spirits, and these stories were passed down through generations. Why when that is said do some get so angry? I mean, to take it so literally is insane! What, was god in a big kitchen mixing up a batch of earth, and adding a dash of us? No way, but that does not mean that there isnt a god. But, i give my thoughts, and i doubt ill hear more than 2 christians say "yea, that could totally be the way it happened. And the big bang for that matter, couldnt god (if he exists) just make the big bang happen, and watch as everything evolved? You know, the christian population get so frusterated with those who dont believe, only because we dont all think that it happened the exact same way they do. Its like "believe it this way. or dont bother" Well, then quite frankly, they are the ones pushing us from belief, arent they? I mean, i guess if we have to have the exact same view point as them, we will forever be seperated.

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      culturespain 7 years ago

      I think the Bible lacked a good editor! Of course, there are going to be contradictions, as the Bible is a collection of 'books' put together by various synods in (from memory) the 4th Century. As to believing every word - that is absurd when (if you are a believer) you should be 'taking home' the overall message of the Bible as a whole. A good example would be the lunacy of believing in the Bible's Creationism stories. Great tales, from which something positive can be drawn (no doubt) but factually rubbish.

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      weekend in bristol 7 years ago

      I did find your comment about Pentecostal's very interesting, because I thought I was reading my own story. The first Church I ever attended was a Pentecost Church. Thanks for sharing this post with us.

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      Ha, my free will taking effect there? be careful, i dont want to be told i dont have the freedom to choose my temperment! lol

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      TinCobra 7 years ago from Oklahoma

      lol no doesn't mean you are... only that you have the option to be :P Hey atleast you remembered my comment this time lol

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      tin- hope that comment about me being in controll doesnt mean im a beotch! lol, sleep well, with all of that hot sweat running down your chest all over your sticky couch...lol haha j/k

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      tin- hope that comment about me being in controll doesnt mean im a beotch! lol, sleep well, with all of that hot sweat running down your chest all over your sticky couch...lol haha j/k

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      TinCobra 7 years ago from Oklahoma

      LoL just kidding with ya. Ya I love to debate, but then it comes to the point where I have made my case and the constant friction only grows heavier on my heart. I'm thankful that you have let me express my view and I appreciate that, because we all know on this hub your in control lol. I'm headed off to bed now, and to keep anyone from being seduced :P I won't recite last nights comment. Sleep well all, I'm sure I'll chat with ya tomorow.

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      TinCobra 7 years ago from Oklahoma

      point taken :P

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      tinCobra- lol, no, but when i disagree, or dont understand, or think your makeing no point, i dont see why id have to pretand you are, just because were cool. haha, if you come to debate, keep your feelings at the door! Show strength behind your points, but dont get upset if i think your being a tard bomber!!!!!

      Id appreciate if you do the same with me...you can tell me if you think my views are wacko, thats ok. In the end, as long as you dont personally insult who i am, its all good.

      Points of view are like finger prints, everyones differ at least a tiny bit, its what makes us interesting. I mean, would you keep comming back to comment if the whole page looked like this:

      yes

      quite right

      i agree

      definately

      wow i feel the same

      so nice to all agree

      lets agree tomorow

      BOREING! No thanks. Ive learned a little about all of you, and about myself. And there are only one or two on the whole page that i think are huge idiots, but ill keep that to myself!

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      Hell N0 7 years ago

      Sure Winston. I remember stating that religion has nothing to do with what I'm saying. But at least I use clear English while you use convoluted crap.

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      TinCobra 7 years ago from Oklahoma

      Btw AKA I love your picture, he played a great part in that movie, a shame he's gone. I especialy like the spoof on you tube though, the interigation scene. I about died laughing the first time I seen it.

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      TinCobra 7 years ago from Oklahoma

      Hey AKA that's not fair I was here first :P

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      TinCobra 7 years ago from Oklahoma

      Gotcha Pink. So we are in agreement then, man has misinterpreted.. I want to say everything... but then I would be making a statement that I don't totally know to be true lol, so I'll say pretty much everything. :P

      You are correct it is hard to give emotion to text at times. I keep thinking is she bi-polar, she seems nice to me one sec and angry the next, maybe it's me who's bi-polar lol.

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      AKA Winston 7 years ago

      (But then, he thinks that the DNA molecule put itself together through random mutations)

      Hell No,

      Aha! Your stripes just showed though. You are at the wrong hub - Creationists like yourself gather next door.

      The good news is that I can ignore you and your remarks, now, as you are doing quite a nice job of making yourself out to be a boob so there is no need to further refute your irrational, illogical religious claims of faith.

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      TinCobra- we are already friends, but i can call you a doh doh head today, and stick up for you in a forum tommorow! Written word is hard, you can hear the voice behind it, so somethings you, i, and other people say may sound harsh. Kind of hard to type something gently, you know?

      Nope, not saying christians are wrong, saying that man is flawed, and that they can mess up both science, and bb=ible interpretation. Im saying man is wrong. How the hell do i know if there is a god, theres a 50 50 chance right? all im saying is, im not baseing my belief on what another man says he heard or saw :)

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      Hell N0 7 years ago

      Now that's a laugh Winston. Free will is as logical as a Sumo wrestler drinking a diet soda. And you're the one that asked what I think about chemical reactions and free will. And no, scientists don't agree on everything. In fact I think Dawkins mentioned that he believes in free will "of a sort". There we go again. But then, he thinks that the DNA molecule put itself together through random mutations.

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      TinCobra 7 years ago from Oklahoma

      I don't know actually lol. I thought I understood your comment, but maybe not. Thought you were reffering to Christians thinking they were right and finding out they were wrong. Then you made a comment about scientific theory being scientifically disproven because it's not invisible. I assumed you were saying that because God is invisible, that is why I asked the question.... But I'd prefer to be your friend, rather then keep going back and forth in which you only become irritated with me and close your heart to a friendship. So please let me know, I've said plenty allready, if it's time to shut my big mouth then so be it.

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      TinCobra- what are you talking about? Are you responding to me? because what you are saying right now has no relevance to what i just said.

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      AKA Winston 7 years ago

      Pink and TinCobra,

      If you enjoy science and thoughts on science, I urge you guys to read some hubs by Fatfist and also Billgaede. Lots of interesting thought on both.

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      AKA Winston 7 years ago

      (AKA, free will has nothing to do with chemical reactions. In fact, it has nothing to do with anything because it doesn't exist)

      Hello NO,

      This is the first rational statement you have made. Of course free will does not exist - free will is conceptual, and thus is part of the realm of logic.

      Exist, to be used scientifically, means that which has shape (an object) and a location. The reason the definition of exist is so tight is to relieve ambiguity.

      However, your conclusion is invalid and illogical, though, as science (rational explantions) has nothing to do with logic (axiomatic proofs). Science cannot prove or disprove free will; only logical argument can do that.

      Free will is a logical argument only. It can only be proven or disproven within the boundaries of a logical argument. I have shown why any argument against free will fails.

      (AKA, free will has nothing to do with chemical reactions.)

      Listen, I don't mean to be rude or insulting, but seriously, are you dense? I never came close to saying free will had anything to do with chemistry - you did when you said free will, if it existed, could stop an itch. How could free will interfere with the chemistry that makes your nose itch without being a magical, omnipotent power?

      Seeing it is you who has made the claim, how about defining free will in an umambiguous manner that will support your claims?

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      TinCobra 7 years ago from Oklahoma

      Pink I hoped that people would understand me by now, but they keep looking at what I'm currently saying and forget what I have said, thus taking my comments out of the context of who I am. I've said what I believe (Bible) is based of faith, yes there is some intelectual evidence. Here is maybe something you might entertain, How is it that we say we've never seen God, when we don't know what God looks like? To say you've never seen God is saying that in your mind you have a view of what God looks like and thus you have never seen that image. My faith (bible) claims God as taken on many forms.

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      the pink umbrella 7 years ago from the darkened forest deep within me.

      ..........same as christians. How many times have we thought we knew something, and found out we were totally wrong?

      Only thing is, you can scientifically disprove a scientific theory. Because its not invisible.

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      TinCobra 7 years ago from Oklahoma

      You are right pink I love science for the very fact you state, but science is not claiming anything, it's scientist who make the claims, and my point is they are just the same as any man. They are not free from thier own opinions and views getting in the way. Like I said sometimes they are right sometimes they are wrong and sometimes we won't know. Just because they have an education doesn't mean they are all knowing is my point.