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Does the Bible Condone Rape?

Updated on May 9, 2012
"The Rape of Tamar" by Eustache Le Sueur (1616-1655) on display at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, NY
"The Rape of Tamar" by Eustache Le Sueur (1616-1655) on display at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, NY

Does the Bible really condone rape?

No, but that doesn’t stop the village atheists from crying “RAPE!” You would think from the way they carry on, they are the ones being raped.

I have had a hub published for almost two months entitled “Why I Love the Bible (Top 10 Reasons).” It is a rather light-hearted humorous (at least I think so) take on biblical issues.

But I’m getting serious now. A self-proclaimed atheist who has been spreading his babble-on (Babylon) all over the place decided to post on my hub, in response to my statement “The Bible does not condone date rape.”

This proclamation that the Bible condones rape is almost as amusing as the self-proclaimed agnostic who claimed that maggots evolve from garbage and that fact proves evolution. And then one of the disciples of Satan says the Holy Ghost raped the Virgin Mary.

Okay, enough already, let’s get down to it. Does the Bible condone rape?

(Photos are public domain as best as can be determined.)

This is what he said on my hub “Why I Love the Bible” recently:

But it appears the bible does condone Date Rape, In the first one you will notice that if he rapes and get CAUGHT he has to give the father money and marry the girl. Poor girl get no say. In the second one he can do anything he likes as long as he is at war with you and kills you first. Something to think about.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NIV

If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NKJV

When you go out to war against your enemies, and the LORD your God delivers them into your hand, and you take them captive, and you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and desire her and would take her for your wife, then you shall bring her home to your house, and she shall shave her head and trim her nails. She shall put off the clothes of her captivity, remain in your house, and mourn her father and her mother a full month; after that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife. And it shall be, if you have no delight in her, then you shall set her free, but you certainly shall not sell her for money; you shall not treat her brutally, because you have humbled her.

This is what I say:

Hmmm. I wonder why he quoted from the NIV when the other verses he quoted are NKJV. Hmmm.

Oh, might it be because of the word “rapes” do you suppose? Do you find that word "rapes" in other translations? Not any good ones. The NIV is a terrible translation. If anyone would like to debate whether the NIV is a terrible translation, bring it on.

I’m going to ignore the verses he quoted from Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NKJV in this article. The verses are not relevant to the discussion here and have been debated elsewhere, for example on this individual’s hub and in the forums.

Does “No!” really mean “Yes!” I wonder.

The word “rapes” also occurs in Deuteronomy 22:25 in the NIV, just a few verses before it occurs in verse 28: “But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die.”

Does this sound like the Bible condoning rape?

Now, the word “rapes” in this verse is an accurate translation of the Hebrew word “chazaq” in the context in which it occurs and the next verses, 26 and 27, which indicate the woman is not held accountable and cried out for help but none could hear her.

Why isn’t that same word “chazaq” used in verse 28 to mean “rapes” I wonder? If the very same author intends to say the very same thing?

In verse 28, The Hebrew words “taphas” and “shakab” are translated to “rapes” in the NIV, quite incorrectly. In the KJV those Hebrew words are translated to “lay hold on her, and lie with her” and in the NKJV and NASB those Hebrew words are translated to “seizes her and lies with her.” “Shakab” is used repeated in the OT to refer to sexual intercourse. Now meanings of “taphas” are to manipulate, to lay hold on, and to seize. Hmmm, to manipulate. As in seduction?

The word “taphas” implies manipulation while the word “chazaq” implies force. The NKJV and NASB both translate Deuteronomy 22:25 to “forces her and lies with her” as opposed to “rapes” in the NIV. Okay, same thing. So why didn’t the translators of the NKJV and NASB use “forces” in Deuteronomy 22:28?

Who was raped and who wasn’t?

Tamar, the daughter of King David and Maachah the Geshurite princess and sister of Absalom was indeed raped. Tamar was also the half-sister of Amnon, the dude who raped her.

Now Amnon and his buddy Jonadab cooked up a scheme for Amnon to have his way with the virgin Tamar. When Amnon says to Tamar (2 Samuel 13:11, KJV), “Come lie with me, my sister,” she replies, “Nay, my brother, do not force me.” The outcome becomes clear in verse 14, “Howbeit he would not hearken unto her voice: but being stronger than she, forced her, and lay with her.”

And what were the consequences of Amnon’s sin? Right, Absalom had him offed. Doesn’t sound like the Bible is condoning rape to me.

In the Book of Esther, we have a situation where King Ahasuerus encounters Haman on the bed of his queen, Esther. She’s on the bed too. Well, the king suspects the worst of Haman. Esther 7:8, “Then saith the king, Will he force the queen also before me in the house?”

The Hebrew word translated to “force” in this instance is “kabash.” That word means to violate, subjugate, or conquer.

It doesn’t seem odd to me that the authors of the verses cited in 2 Samuel and Esther would use different Hebrew words to mean rape. Two different individuals authored those two books. It would, however, be quite odd if the author of Deuteronomy used different Hebrew words in verses 22:25 and 22:28 to mean rape.

Conclusion: The Bible does not condone rape. That is a ridiculous assertion. Hearing atheists make statements such as this is like listening in on a support group of frontal lobotomy survivors.

Nonbelievers should stick to mythology instead of fabricating stories about the Bible condoning rape. The story of “The Rape of the Daughters of Leucippus” would be a good place to start. You know, where the twin sons of Zeus fall in love with the twin daughters of Leucippus and . . . (refer to picture below).

Memo to the village atheists: Do your homework if you want to debate biblical issues.

"Rape of the Daughters of Leucippus" by Peter Paul Reubens (1577-1640) on display at Alte Pinakothek, Munich
"Rape of the Daughters of Leucippus" by Peter Paul Reubens (1577-1640) on display at Alte Pinakothek, Munich


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      Jack Hazen 

      5 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      So you used to be a Christian, so you say, Hannah. and now you are a Buddhist so you say. Does that mean you used to be a cow or a dog?

      As far as a woman who isn't married having a kid, the most noteworthy example of that in the Bible is Tamar, with Judah being the father. Guess who you will find in the lineage of Christ. Nuff said about that issue.

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      6 years ago

      Listen, when the bible says that if you violate a woman, you have to marry her. This was based off of the fact that men told women FOR YEARS that if you had a kid and WEREN'T married, you were a whore; not good for marriage. Once a upon a time I was a Christian, but after a while, I couldn't bear to be one. People use the bible for so much hate, that it began to disgust me.

      Now, I absolutely hated one thing about the bible more than anything else: That gays were condemned to hell. I called bullshit on this, and converted. As a Buddhist, I feel light, free, and happy. I no longer feel like I am part of something that hates.

      Christians are not bad people as a whole, but being Christian does not make you right. Christianity isn't for everyone. Some things in the bible are self-contradicting and out-dated. It's time to redo religion, and fit it to today's morals.


      Jack Hazen 

      6 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      Hey CamZ, did you even read the hub and the comments?

      If so, you would discover that even a blind squirrel can find find a nut on occasion.

      And please don't quote the New Living Translation on my hub. If you don't understand why, you have no ears to hear.

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      6 years ago

      e (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

      If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

      What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.


      When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will ot be freed at the end of sixyears as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again…" (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

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      Valerie Bamburg 

      6 years ago from Ocean Springs, Mississippi

      Does the Bible mention not to rape?


      Jack Hazen 

      6 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      Exactly, Tom.

      The efforts of the Godmockers to censor me are elaborated upon in my hubs Combat Veteran Banned for Defending "Thanks to God for our patriotic military personnel" and HubPages, What Are You Thinking?

      God will not be mocked.

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      6 years ago from U.S.A.

      There is definitely bias and censorship by the Hub elite.

      Extreme hypocrisy, but what else can they do? Their religious fanaticism for their silly atheist religion is so easily refuted they have no choice but to censor, or look foolish in the light of the truth.



      Jack Hazen 

      6 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      You know, Elijah, I read that "If the Holy Bible is 100% Flawless . . ." question of yours the other day and all those replies. Very interesting, I thought. I was mulling over something to post.

      And now I see a bunch of questions you answered are gone too.

      Poof the magic dragon! It's Satan, brother.

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      6 years ago from Israel - England - Hong Kong - Hawaii - Paradise

      Amen to ALL the people that have given their lives defending nations against the antichrist hordes.

      As an Army chaplain in WW2, my grandad knew Winston Churchill personally.

      Great idea for a hub man...will take a look in a moment..

      No DOUBT there IS hubberator bias bro'

      Posted this Question a couple of days back :

      "If The Holy Bible IS 100% Flawless & True, What Does This MEAN For YOU Personally?"

      Whoever you are, whatever you think or believe, please answer this question honestly and seriously, based on what you currently know about Holy Scripture vis-à-vis with what you currently believe is true. Being honest here is the key, as any and all answers WILL have significance. Thanks....And here's a Quote I like a lot : † 2 Timothy 3 : 16 † "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

      THEN - in very short succession, 18 answers were posted AND a new hub because of the question...

      PLUS, 43 comments, including mine.

      THEN, BHAMMMM, "they" TOOK IT DOWN....???????

      Dropping "them" a quick email to find out WHY??

      Anyhow B-JAG, this sums up how i personally feel, within this entire melee..As a Gift for you TOO :-

      † 1 Corinthians 1 : 17 - 19 †

      "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

      For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

      Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?"


      Jack Hazen 

      6 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      Well Elijah, the Bible does not condone rape (isn't that the subject of this hub, I forget), and neither do I.

      I refuse to be raped by these God-mocking, pro-gay, pro-abortion, anti-Christian report monkeys and their enabler.

      Hence my brand new hub:

      Combat Veteran Banned for Defending "Thanks to God for our patriotic military personnel!"

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      6 years ago from Israel - England - Hong Kong - Hawaii - Paradise

      NO doubt - the majority of the hubberator crew MUST be village atheists ALSO...sure looks that way...


      Write LOADS OF GREAT HUBS INSTEAD and use the Comments to TRY to SAVE THE LOST - Amen †

      Here :

      † Jude 1 : 22 - 25 †

      "And of some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

      Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, to the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen."

      This is my favourite "secular song" as a Gift for you: The Crescendo melody is "mystical" - (i like The Mystical Aspect of God) Amen †


      Jack Hazen 

      6 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      Hey Elijah, so you look forward to my next foray into the morass of the forums eh?

      Well, it didn't last long. I was unbanned last night and banned again this morning for posts I made on the "Thanks to God for our patriotic military personnel!" thread. This time for 3 months.

      I did manage to get in a few posts on "Are you for or against abortion? Why or why not?" thread before they zapped me. I was just getting warmed up on that one.

      And I tried to get Rad Man (the reason for this hub) to repent again on the "Why are some atheists so nasty?" thread, but of course he chose not to.

      Carry on the fight, brother! Any way we can.

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      6 years ago from Israel - England - Hong Kong - Hawaii - Paradise

      Amen & Amen & Amen

      † Daniel 12 : 10 †

      "Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand."


      Jack Hazen 

      6 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      I noticed on jomine's profile he/she says "I am not an atheist, but a rationalist." Yeah, right. If it quacks like a daffy duck, it's a daffy duck.

      Reason I looked is because I heard jomine claims to be God or at least has a hub entitled "I AM GOD, the Almighty." I wanted to see if there is anything in the hub about God condoning rape to contradict my hub. Nope, I don't see anything. All I see is babble-on (Babylon).

      God's blessing to you too, brother Elizabeth 'er I mean Elijah. I start each day with a prayer thanking God for all my blessings and ask that God bless my family and friends and that we be a blessing back to Him.

      That thread in the forums of Brenda's about God blessing the military where the atheists went spastic as usual still has me righteously indignant. Please quiet my spirit, Lord. Or maybe not.

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      6 years ago from Israel - England - Hong Kong - Hawaii - Paradise

      Re : Is jomine a jezebel? I thought "she" was a guy for some reason.

      jezebel IS a "guy" devils are referred to in the male context...

      Look forward to your next foray into the morass of the forums...

      Blessings always brother, In JESUS' Mighty Name ALIVE - Amen

      † Mark 16 : 15 - 16 †

      "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth NOT SHALL BE DAMNED."

      Don't think you have this New Song : Gift for you - Maranatha †


      Jack Hazen 

      6 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      Well, thank you very much, Brenda.

      Interesting topic started on the forums today entitled "Why are some atheists so nasty?" by dzephaniah.

      Unfortunately, I can't post on it because I am banned from the forums.

      I hope Rad Man posts on it, though, and explains why he had no qualms about bearing false witness, in that he accused me of physically threatening him and his lady friend. That was rather nasty.

      When I get unbanned, maybe I'll start a forum thread entitled "Why are some atheists so gutless?" I mean, Rad Man started this business about the Bible condoning rape, and when BS gets called on him, he runs with his tail between his legs.

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      Brenda Durham 

      6 years ago


      thanks for the hub. Very good points, and of course you have very deftly exposed the atheists' feeble-but-loud attempts to discredit the word of God. You're right--they do "babble on" (Babylon). Good job; good work defending the Gospel.


      Jack Hazen 

      6 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      Back to Jezebel, Elijah.

      In that quote of mine Rad Man cited a few comments back, I'm sure you recognized it as Jezebel's story from the Bible. Apparently Rad Man didn't. I wonder why. Why, Rad Man thought Eve took a bite out of an apple in the Garden of Eden and said it in several posts until I pointed out to him the word apple is nowhere to be found in Genesis.

      Why don't these village atheists even read the Bible if they are going to bash it? Makes them look foolish indeed.

      Jezebel, being tossed from the wall and being eaten by dogs, got exactly what she deserved. That was my point in the remark about the abuse of women. She deserved to be abused. Anybody with a brain bigger than a pea could follow that one.

      Is jomine a jezebel? I thought "she" was a guy for some reason.

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      6 years ago from Israel - England - Hong Kong - Hawaii - Paradise

      Amen & Amen brother † - THE HEART OF EVERYTHING discussed to date, IN TWO WORDS :

      T R U E - R E P E N T A N C E :-

      This IS The Final Bottom Line of ALL SCRIPTURE - Amen †

      † Acts 19 : 4 †

      "Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus."

      † Matthew 4 : 17 †

      "From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

      † Mark 6 : 12 †

      "And they went out, and preached that men should repent."

      † Acts 2 : 38 †

      "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

      † Revelation 16 : 11 †

      "And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds."

      Rad Man - (if you ARE "watching") SEE the Divine Synchonicity Of Holy Scripture - YOU ARE SERIOUSLY ADVISED TO PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION to Revelation 16 : 11 :

      Even be humble and read the whole chapter here (this is ALREADY HAPPENING in the Lost world) :

      (LAUGHTER on the music comment bro) this is a real "mind slapper" A TRUE REVELATION SONG (how loud ARE your speakers?)

      The Main keyboard Crescendos PEAK WITH GLORY "Divine" Rising to a Spiritual Holy Climax - AWESOME - Amen † :


      Jack Hazen 

      6 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      Rad Man, I don't think you understand how big a "problem" you have here. That "problem" may or may not get bigger.

      You violated the 9th commandment and bore false witness against your neighbor (me). In the secular world the lawyers would call that defamation.

      Now, Elijah here would slap me upside the head (or at least slap me between the ears with his music) if I didn't give you a chance to repent.

      So Rad Man, you have 24 hours to indicate right here on this hub you want to make this right with me. Otherwise, be careful what you ask for.

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      6 years ago from Israel - England - Hong Kong - Hawaii - Paradise

      Never DID like Jezebel - nasty piece of work - Old Testament and New Testament..

      Drop me an email brother if you take this up on his "hub-ris" page...

      Will scroll on by for a chat - Selah...

      † Isaiah 54 : 17 †

      "No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD."

      AMEN & MIZPAH † ... Here's another Great New Song : Enjoy -


      Jack Hazen 

      6 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      Rad Man, yesterday you accused me of a crime. You specifically said that I threatened you physically and I threatened physical harm to your lady friend.

      You understand that if I did that, it is a crime, do you not?

      Is what you quoted I said in your last post your basis for claiming that I threatened you physically and I threatened physical harm to your lady friend?

      If I did indeed threaten you physically and I threatened physical harm to your lady friend, you should have reported me to the real police instead of the HubPages police.

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      Rad Man 

      6 years ago

      It WASN'T me who got you banned. However your words.

      "I never advocated the abuse of women, but I will now.

      Your namesake Jezebel (she was also an obsessive-compulsive internet forum gangbanger) was tossed from the top of the wall by Rad Man's brothers, trampled by horses, and eaten by dogs.

      I can't think of a better ending."

      Those words seem threatening and unchrist like to me.

      I no longer follow this or any of your hubs, but would welcome any debates on any of mine.

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      6 years ago from Israel - England - Hong Kong - Hawaii - Paradise

      Re : "Elijah, I think you got banned on the same day I did. It must have been "Feed the Christians to the Lions Day."

      Yes - there are NO coincidences....

      Also :

      Re : "So what are you going to do when you get unbanned?"

      ANSWER : Post a couple of saved comments to a "dear sweet young lady" named JOMINE...

      And a couple of others - and then MOVE ON...

      The BEST method brother is TO BUILD HUBS...AND followers... don't think EVEN THE HUBPAGES TEAM like these forums at all..

      Too high maintenance...

      Hubs and Comments is THE BEST WAY FORWARD....

      JESUS dealt with His enemies ONE ON ONE.

      All we are doing is leaving BEAUTIFUL FOOD ON THE KITCHEN FLOOR for the cockroaches to eat.

      Let's put the food IN A CAGE !!!


      In closing, these hubteam people ARE VERY's a money thing...they can SPOT good writers a mile a way - IT'S THEIR JOB...

      What BETTER WAY to steer the talent away from pointless cock-roach fights than TO BAN the Good Guys....IT WORKS !!!

      We MET bro', BECAUSE we were BANNED - "All Things Work For GOOD to THOSE who LOVE The Lord, to THOSE who ARE The Called, According to HIS Purpose" - ALLELUIA & AMEN.

      † JESUS Also Built RELATIONSHIPS with His Disciples...

      TEAM WORK bro' - The Church Presence in these hubs is HUGE...

      Make friends with The Born Again Saints...

      Make friends with the Very Lost souls ALSO....

      "Wise as a serpent, harmless AS The Dove"

      And THIS :

      † Romans 1 : 14 †

      "I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise. So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith."

      AMEN & AMEN

      i LIKE THIS MUSIC A LOT ALSO - This is for The Hub-Evangelism :


      Jack Hazen 

      6 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      Rad Man, you said on the "Why God Created Atheists" forum thread about an hour ago:

      "I think I know who you are referring to. I also don't like the mocking and think it could always be said better. I have recently been attacked by a few who call themselves Christians, but threaten to hurt physically. He even threaten physical harm to a lady who was defending (and that's not even the correct word) me. He and his buddy were banned from the forums and he has been tracking and baiting me to comment on his hub. I guess I had forgotten that the fanatical Christians are the same as the fanatical muslims. I always say I've never meet a muslim I didn't like, but I've meet some Christians I didn't like, but then again it's perhaps because I've never meet a fanatical muslim.

      Thanks for the kind words. I hope you and your family are well."

      Yep, that's what you said.

      I threatened you physically and I threatened physical harm to a lady friend who was defending you?

      Is that what you told HubPages to get me banned from the forums?

      There you go, bearing false witness again. You know, the 9th commandment.

      But you could provide some evidence that I threatened you physically and some evidence that I threatened your lady friend who defended you with physical harm. Then everyone will believe you. Just like everyone believes your rant that the Bible condones rape.


      Jack Hazen 

      6 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      Elijah, I think you got banned on the same day I did. It must have been "Feed the Christians to the Lions Day."

      So what are you going to do when you get unbanned? I'm going to start a thread entitled "Most offensive reply" and start it with "The following is the single most offensive rely I've come across on a hub pages" only I'll fix Rad Man's errors. Of course I'll be elaborating on Rad Man's "the Bible condones rape" premise.

      That's what Rad Man did to one of our fellow brothers in the Lord and when I challenged his cheap shots I got banned.

      Do you think there are any sharks in the lake of fire? I mean, being cooked is a bad way to go.

      Of course Rad Man could repent.

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      6 years ago from Israel - England - Hong Kong - Hawaii - Paradise

      Think my ban expires in a couple of weeks - who cares.

      They just like playing ping pong - The BIG Sin Is PRIDE.

      Even if they 'were' persuaded by The Holy Truth Presented, they ain't gonna admit it in front of all their Perditon buddies...

      Truth is brother, they are VERY alone and REALLY fragile and NEED each other's antichrist support.

      † My Prayer and THIS is BIG and REGULAR - (out with some HUGE Global Prayer Groups already) †

      "That God WILL HAVE MERCY and Touch them in such a POWERFUL WAY they just evaporate from atheist / agnostic forums and LATER, show up Born Again With Testimony, In The Holy Name Of The Lord JESUS Christ ALMIGHTY Himself - † Amen & Amen †"

      Otherwise it's just this Scripture below - BUT we can't Judge who The Lord WILL Save !!! Have To Preach EQUALLY - Amen †

      † Romans 9 : 21 - 24 †

      "Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?"

      i LOVE this Song - maybe this will be for those Lost we KNOW :


      Jack Hazen 

      6 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      Elijah, I noticed an interesting thread in the forums entitled "What makes a nonbeliever militant or angry?" started by Chuck Field, an atheist.

      Unfortunately, we can't post to this topic because we are banned from the forums.

      I'm not sure whether Rad Man posted this nonsense about the Bible condoning rape because he was angry or because he was doing his atheistic good deed of the day. You know, like breaking one of the 10 commandments. In this instance I would think the one about bearing false witness applies. Even worse to bear false witness against God than your neighbor, 'eh?

      Yeah, I don't know why he won't man up and admit he's wrong. Or else defend his position.

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      6 years ago from Israel - England - Hong Kong - Hawaii - Paradise

      Rad Man - THIS IS TERMINAL INSANITY - For your polite record i have been Teaching The Holy Bible since AD 1985 - PLUS MILLIONS OF OTHER SCHOLARS WORLDWIDE DOWN THROUGH THE AGES.

      NOWHERE IS RAPE CONDONED - END OF STORY - Your arguments are DELUSIONAL at the very best - UTTERLY DEVILISH AND SATANIC is the Correct Summation..

      Give it UP and be HUMBLE and simply admit you ARE WRONG...

      No shame in BEING WRONG - HOWEVER, a major SIN in REFUSING TO ADMIT ERROR in the face of VERIFIED FACTS...

      Chill out - REPENT and BELIEVE - † The MOST Holy Bible is SUPERNATURAL AND A HISTORY / PROPHECY BOOK FROM GOD - God IS Perfectly Holy †



      † Romans 1 : 20 - 25 †

      "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

      Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

      And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

      Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

      Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen." †


      Never mind - TAKE SOME TIME OUT AND REST UP A LITTLE AND LISTEN TO THIS - Go on Give yourself A CHANCE (how loud are your speakers) :-


      Don't MISS this Opportunity to RECOVER and have your SINS Cleansed - † Give JESUS A Chance - Amen †


      Jack Hazen 

      6 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      It's rather obvious who did and who didn't do their homework, Rad Man. Again, I don't see anyone including you refuting any information I provided in this hub.

      Does your hub even mention whether or not the Bible condones rape? If not, why would I go over there to discuss it?

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      Rad Man 

      6 years ago

      You better start reading BlackJack. It's a good read and it's free. I'll wait for you comment over there. I will not comment here again as you've asked me not to and I intend to be respectful. Forgive me, I thought you did your homework.


      Jack Hazen 

      6 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      Excuse me, Rad Man?

      What hub of yours?

      Do you have a hub about the Bible condoning rape?

      This hub was intended to disprove the statement you made on my hub "Why I Love the Bible (Top 10 Reasons)." I stated in the hub that "The Bible does not condone date rape." You stated in your comment "But it appears the bible does condone Date Rape" and you presented your fallacious argument.

      I don't see anybody disputing what I have said in this hub.

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      Rad Man 

      6 years ago

      Since this hub was intended to disprove my hub, I'll discuss the matter only on my hub and only with respect for all parties. If you are not comfortable with this scenario, we can go our separate ways.

    • Elijah7 profile image


      6 years ago from Israel - England - Hong Kong - Hawaii - Paradise

      Absolutely brother - EXCEPTIONAL HUB INDEED - i too hit ALL the buttons - Amen †

      You know the ONE GOOD thing about being banned for a while (me IDENTICAL to you - same lopsided nonsense) :-

      "You get the time to Create Great Hubs like this one"

      When reading the nonsensical and insulting BLASPHEMOUS drivel vomiting out of the self professed atheists and agnostics, i Hear This :

      "I Sense a sense of Supersense in ALL this NONSENSE"

      Translation : "Like the mass murders in The Early Church Days of the Martyrdom BLOODBATH - the harder satan tries to Silence Christ The Stronger His Holy Church BECOMES - Amen"


      The Greatest Nations in This History INVENTED ALMOST EVERYTHING WORTH A LIGHT - including electric light - Have the MOST powerful defence for attack military systems in History.

      i am a British National living overseas - How about THIS atheists and agnostics - a tiny little Island off the coast of Europe Ruled "WITH DOMINION" the largest land masses on the planet for some 350 years or so....

      Gave the Industrial Revolution and the Agrarian Revolution - a Global Language - Democracy, Trading, The Rule Of Law (not BY law) The Rennaisance Revival of The Freed Church - Charity - a health care system second to al et al et al ...

      And FINALLY booted out islam from Israel in 1914 - 1918 †

      YOU KNOW HOW ??????? † By The LORD God of The Hosts - The Holy Father Of JESUS, BECAUSE The West Loved Christ and Christians ARE the Top of The Food Chain TODAY, ONLY For the Glory of JESUS Alive - Hallelujah, Alleuia & Amen †

      Oh yes AND WE STILL LOCK UP RAPISTS According To The Holy Teachings Of The Most Holy Bible - KING JESUS VERSION !!!

      BlackJack mate - VERY WELL DONE - and Awesome Artwork choices too....

      FINALLY, for all those EVILution polluted SCOFFERS, IN THE BRIGHT LIGHT OF THE COLONIAL EPOCH ABOVE and The Glorious Elizabethan Tongue - Read THIS PROPHECY BELOW and WEEP....(and they spout the Holy Bible is fiction) - HA !!!!!

      Written around 630 BC :

      † Zephaniah 3 : 8 - 9 †

      "Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the Lord, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy. For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent."



      Jack Hazen 

      6 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      So it looks like I got the attention of the atheist who was crying "rape" over and over and again and again.

      He said this on the "I am an atheist but I don't understand atheist trolls" forum topic a couple hours ago:

      "It appears I've upset a fellow HP'er enough for him to call me the antichrist because he didn't like my use of bible verses. He wrote at least 2 hubs on is hatred for me and I have to say I find this a little disturbing. He says he was banned from forums and seems to blame me for this as well. I've not complained about any comments except for one that clearly expressed racial bigotry. I don't think I'm a troll. I try to express myself, but I have to say I'm a little taken back by the level of hatred shown to me."

      Why do you say I'm upset? There is nothing you or somebody like you could say to upset me. On some internet forum? Get real. It's not about hatred. I don't hate you. You're not significant enough for me to hate you.

      Why don't you post on this hub and defend your position that the Bible condones rape?


      Jack Hazen 

      6 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      Yes, ridiculous is a good word for it, Minnetonka Twin. I have no idea what HubPages is thinking. Which is why I wrote a hub entitled “HubPages, What Are You Thinking?”

      I haven’t even got into the specifics of me being banned yet on that hub, but I will soon.

      But back to this hub and the reason for it. Atheists in the religion forums on this site delight in mocking Christians and the Bible. Atheists are entitled to their opinions just like everybody else. But when an atheist posts the exact same garbage on numerous forum threads and hubs (including my hub), I take notice. Especially when the atheist quotes from the Bible and offers an interpretation. That’s where atheists get in trouble, obviously, as you can see from what this atheist said, over and over and over.

      I could write many hubs about the erroneous garbage atheists have spouted on the HubPages forums, just like in this case. Maybe I will. I mean, I can’t respond to them on the forums.

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      Linda Rogers 

      6 years ago from Minnesota

      Wow, I can't believe this behavior. Why do they get to stay on the forums but you don't??? Ridiculous!!


      Jack Hazen 

      6 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      Minnetonka Twin, the why is that this person has an agenda. His agenda is to make the Bible and believers look foolish.

      I challenged his nonsense on the forums and I was banned. (I wonder who the report monkey was. Not.) He also posted his drivel on my hub "Why I Love the Bible (Top 10 Reasons)" and so I wrote this hub.

      He and the other village atheists have given me plenty of fodder for future hubs.


      Jack Hazen 

      6 years ago from Blitzburgh area

      Sarahhh666, of course I did not make that up about the atheists 'er I mean maggots.

      You can find the post in question on the hub "Adam and Eve were not the first human beings that God created" by charm1123.

      Two months ago an individual named "agnostic" said: "People who believe in god believe in creation right? Well, what if someone could prove to you that there is evidence of evolution, would you then question god/bible? I pose this if god created everything and there is no evolution than how do you explain magots? Magots are formed from nothing trash and then evolve into a fly. Magots are proof enough that there is evolution."

      To which I responded, "A maggot is the larva of a fly. Like a caterpillar is the larva of a butterfly or moth. Those maggots you see on ripe garbage are not caused by evolution. Those maggots used to be eggs laid by flies."

      Now, who do you believe?

      This is rather typical of the logic of atheists and agnostics.

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      Linda Rogers 

      6 years ago from Minnesota

      It is ridiculous that they are fabricating the bible like this. Why does this person have a need to assert that the bible condones rape? HMMMM??? That in itself is scary. Great job on this hub- I hit every button.

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      6 years ago from near Philly

      Wow. Now that was quite an article. You definitely made it real clear that God does not condone rape. Funny line about hearing the atheists rant is like listening to a support group of frontal lobotomy survivors. Lol.

      Did somebody really say that maggots evolve from garbage and it proves evolution? C'mon dude, I think you made that up.


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