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Controversy: Jesus a Muslim or a Christian?

Updated on December 22, 2017

Christians And Muslims By Religion

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The Reality Of Belonging To Christian Or Muslim Religion

The reality about the majority of Christians and Muslims today is that most of them are a Christian or a Muslim by reasons of the region of birth and family they were born into, and not by choice.

A person born in Vatican City will be a Catholic Christian. Also, a person born in Romania, Papua New Guinea, Tonga, Armenia, Namibia, Marshal Islands, Moldova, Zambia, and Solomon Islands will likely be a Christian.

At the other hand, a person born in Arab countries will likely be a Muslim. Also in countries like; Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Turkey, Iran and Egypt there is a high percentage that a person born in this countries will likely not be a Christian.

The same can be said of the family of once birth. If you are born into a Muslim family, in countries like Nigeria, there is 99.9% possibility of one being a Muslim. The same thing applies to those born into a Christian Families which has about 99% likely hood of being a Christian.

So the reality is that you are either a Muslim or a Christian not because you choose to but because circumstances had chosen it for you. That means, either you may have been deceived into a religion organization that you may not have likely chosen were you to chose before birth, thus, there is all likelihood your worship is wrong.

To worship God acceptably, you need to look beyond that circle called 'my religion'. Instead, you must be both a "true Christian and a real Muslim". What does that mean? And who is a Christian and who is a Muslim? And how can one be a true Christian, yet a real Muslim?

Important questions, aren't they?_



Is This What It Means To Submit To The Will Of God?

Muslims by religion Islam, worshiping by bowing down
Muslims by religion Islam, worshiping by bowing down | Source

Who Is a Muslim?

Since more than 1 person in 6, of the world's population adheres to Islamic religion and many of them could be called 'devoted', it becomes apparent to actually understand who a Muslim is.

Is a Muslim a person who adhere to the Islamic religion?

According to religion of Islam, the answer is Yes!

But I say NO!

To the Religion called Islam, that is What being 'a Muslim' implies. One who submit to the religion or teachings of Islam as a religion not Islam as actual 'submission'. Thus a person not in the circle of Islam as a religion is not viewed as a Muslim. Is that How You View It?

That is a flawed view. It is the same thing as saying that a Christian is a person who goes to Roman Catholic or any other Church and adhere to the Church teachings and dogma, that is also a flawed view.

According to one source, there are over 900 million Muslims in the world, making Islām second only to the Roman Catholic Church in numbers. It is perhaps the fastest growing major religion in the world, with an expanding Muslim movement in Africa and the Western world.

Well, we we've seen firsthand, how Islam or adherent of Islamic religion defines a Muslim which I said is fkawed.

Let's also now understand what the word Islam means.

Interesting isn't it?


Islam

The name Islām is significant to a Muslim, for it means “submission,” “surrender,” or “commitment” to Allāh.

Contrary to this original meaning of the word Islam, is a flawed defination by the Religion called Islam. According to one historian, “it expresses the innermost attitude of those who have hearkened to the preaching of Mohammed.” “Muslim” means ‘one who makes or does Islām.’

Draging Mohammed to the word Islam implies that if anyone does not agree with his teachings mean the person is not submited to God.

My question is; is Mohammed God?

Take keen note of what the term Islam means.


Submition, surrender, commitment to God not Mohammed.

Thus, by submitting to the will of God, a person becomes a Muslim to God.

The people who sample themselves Islamic Religion today, are only Islamic to Mohammed not to God. True submiters are Islamic to God not to a human, whosoever in the name of coming from God.

That is the key fact to understanding why I said that the True Christians are the real Muslims? You wonder what that could mean?

Now first, let's try to understand this:

Who is a true Christian? And What is Christianity?

Then we will take a look at two ways the true Christians are God's real Muslims today, not by the name of a religion but by actual 'submission to the will of God'.

So Who actually are submitted to God today?

That's a key question to think about as we progress.


Who Is A Christian?

Today, a Christian is one who belongs to one of the varying Churches of the Christendom. Therefore, according to almost all Churches, as long as you belong to and goes to Church regularly you will be refer to as a 'christian' whether the church in question adheres to the teaching of Christ or not.

But actually, the word 'Christian' means Christ-like or followers of Christ. In reality, a Christian is not a person who attends a church regularly but one who adheres (submit, surrender) to and abide by the teachings of Christ as found in the bible, one who follow by imitating Jesus Christ.

So then, what is "Christianity"

Can All Be Christians?

Are all Christians Christian?
Are all Christians Christian? | Source

What Is Christianity?

In reality, if 'a Christian' is "a person" who adheres or submit or surender to the teachings of Christ, then Christianity is 'a body of people who really adheres, surrender and submit to the teachings of Jesus Christ as found in the bible, and really imitate him as one body'.

But the question that is left to be answered is: Is Jesus Christ a Muslim or a Judaism?

Many make the mistake of saying that Christ is a Christian. However, since he is 'the Christ' of which one who follows him could be refer to as a Christian, thus Jesus cannot be refer to as a Christian because he is the Christ.

However, When it comes to religion by birth, Jesus is a Judaism, but he is also a Muslim. How?

Who Is A Real Muslim?

Before answering the question whether Jesus is a Muslim or not, we must first understand who a real Muslim is.
So who is a real Muslim?

As I mentioned earlier, 'a Muslim' is not one who is Islamic by religion. Going with the meaning of the word 'Islam' which mean submission to God or 'being at peace with God'. A Real Muslim thus, is a person who is at peace with God because he does the will of God, he submit to God's will.

So then, this is very important because we cannot deceive God with religion neither does he like to be treated as a God who can be fooled.

So is Jesus a Muslim? (submitter, adherer or obidence to the will of God) Now you can guess what the real answer is from here, can't you?_

If Jesus is a submiter (Islamic) in such manner, then for a person to be called a true Muslim, he must be a person who imitate and follows Jesus. What does that mean.

Jesus Sets the Example
Jesus Sets the Example

Controversy: is Jesus A Muslim or A Christian?

As noted earlier, Jesus can not be referred to as a Christian, bcause he is the Christ. By birth Jesus thus is a Jew and by religion a Judaism, but that is not all. By obedience, willing submission to God's will, being at peace with God, Jesus proved to be a 'submitter' to the will of God, a Muslim to God, not by religion but through obedience.

Did Jesus really submit to the will of God?

Let's see in brief what the bible itself has to say as regards to this. Jesus set the example of willing submission to the will of God, making him in that sense, a Muslim not through religion but by obedience to God. This is what the bible says:

“Most truly I say to YOU, The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner". (Jon 5:19)

It means that Jesus did not do what pleases himself but submitted to God in doing God's will. Again the bible says;

“My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work".(Jon 4:34)

Again, we see Jesus willingly submitting to the will of God. Another place Jesus tells us that he is a Muslim to God by actual submission to the will of God, not by religion as claimed by Islam by Mohammed is at Luke 22:42. There Jesus said to God;

“Father, if you want to, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.”

Again, while teaching his disciples the model prayer, at Mathew 6:9 Jesus said;

"Our Father in heaven... your will be done on earth as it is in heaven".

Clearly, Jesus was a true 'submitter' to the will of God. Thus, Jesus set the example of willing submission to the will of God, enjoying peace with God through his obedience. Actually, he is a real Muslim to God and he set the example that thus, any following his steps, is thus a real Muslim to God.

Yes, a real Muslim is not one who follows religion called Islam by Mohammed but one who imitates Christ, a Christian. And a true Christian is not the one who calls himself so and follow denomination bearing the name but one who imitates Christ.

Thus I am a true Christian to Christ and a real Muslim to God. I am not Muslim by following teachings set by men. Mark 7:7.




Jesus Was a Muslim not through religion called Islam but by obedience to God.

How Is Jesus A Muslim?

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Christian woman of Foumban, in Cameroon Portrait of Lydia Mongwelune, wife of king Njoya's chamberla
Christian woman of Foumban, in Cameroon Portrait of Lydia Mongwelune, wife of king Njoya's chamberla | Source

Who Is A Real Christian?

As stated above, 'the word 'Christian' means Christ-like or followers of Christ. In reality, a Christian is not a person who attends a church regularly just as a Muslim is not one who belongs to a religion called Islam. But one who adheres to and abide by the teachings of Christ as found in the bible, one who follow by imitating Jesus Christ.'

I have just proved from the bible that Jesus was and is still a Muslim though not by religion, and that he set the example of what being a true Muslim is. Thus, anyone imitating Christ in willing submission to the will of God as found in the holy bible, is the True Christian, a real Muslim as it were.

Thus, a true Christian is a real Muslim. In reality, the true Christians are actually those God recognizes as the real Muslims today. Thus, you become a real Muslim by being a true Christian.

Yes, I know what is in your mind right now.

How can all these different and varying forms of Churches who calls themselves 'Christians' today be the real Muslims of God? You may ask.

The good news is that the bible teaches that 'they are all not. only one is'.

But who are the true Christians, thus the real Muslims today? How can I identify them?

You can quickly find out the answer to that question if you can take few minutes to read through my hubs.

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    • Author Sam profile imageAUTHOR

      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      6 months ago from Nigeria

      Please

      Read the hub through again. You can really come to term with what am saying if you can read and reread.

      As for the broken link, I have adjusted.

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      Doug Cutler 

      7 months ago from Temperance. Mich

      99% of those born to a so called Christian family are Christians?

      Same with so called Muslim fams. You just got done saying most don't do the will of God. So how can 99% be something most are not? Again I ask! How can Jesus be something likely was not even a word back then?

    • Author Sam profile imageAUTHOR

      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      7 months ago from Nigeria

      I refused to talk about JW in this article that has no bearing to them.

      If that is what you are staging, you failed.

      Talk about them in the appropriate article and I will reply to you any how

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      Doug Cutler 

      7 months ago from Temperance. Mich

      Well, Now you got something there. God! He the God of every one. Even though a lot of people don't know it. They can follow false gods or Satan or Islam. But in the end he da man! When your spirit goes in front of the ones who judge you it makes no diff. what religion you from! It is how you played the game. And for JW's to think only a few million that are WJ's will inherit the earth is just plain wrong. In my house there are many mansions. Sayeth the Lord.

    • Author Sam profile imageAUTHOR

      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      7 months ago from Nigeria

      What is my business with religion called Islam man?

      Whatever you call them is what I call them and whatever u say they do is what they do I believe.

      So you must see to it. If you don't understand what I write, Is left to you at least there is one who do-God

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      Doug Cutler 

      7 months ago from Temperance. Mich

      Sub motion? That like we be too canal? I don't give a rats rear what any of those repulsive words actually mean! They have evil connotations now in the minds of decent non raping, non screw the infidel, non head looping peoples of non Muslim, non Islamist following. For you to try to drag Jesus and by extension JW's to accept so vile of words is just not right. Maybe your Muslim Islamist following is all right with those words. As mentioned b4 40% think it acceptable for the vile things Islam/Muslims do TODAY! Don't get me started on the vile things they done in the past. And still do today. Like human slavery

    • Author Sam profile imageAUTHOR

      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      7 months ago from Nigeria

      You are still stuck with Islam as a religion. I do not association Jesus with that religion and its clear in this article. Even if an islamist religion should read this he or she will no doubt understood am not associating Jesus with their religion but with actual sub motion

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      Doug Cutler 

      7 months ago from Temperance. Mich

      OK. Let me stick to the issues. I find those words unacceptable for what they represent in my mind and by extension the minds of so many others. So why in God's world would you want to associate Jesus with them?. It don't make any difference what they actually mean if people see them as evil. And the Islamist don't consider Jesus as the son of God. So, even if the words didn't have all the negative about them would it be proper to use them to describe Jesus?

    • Author Sam profile imageAUTHOR

      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      7 months ago from Nigeria

      Hi Doug

      You are still making comment that has no bearing to this article

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      Doug Cutler 

      7 months ago from Temperance. Mich

      Did the repulsive words Muslim or Muslam or Islamist even exist when the bible was written and butchered by bishops in co-hoots with Constantine and power hungry wife? Who by the way didn't give a rats rear about scripture. Just wanted it to end and everyone get along no matter what corrupt bishops wrote or changed or left out of what the bible that should have been in it.

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      Doug Cutler 

      7 months ago from Temperance. Mich

      And I think you mean: we too carnal, not canal the like in de Nile.

      You are the one that is stuck on the physical plane. One life and then it over! I don't think so! Many, many lives it takes.

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      7 months ago from Nigeria

      Please I already said it. Don't drag JW into this article. Discourse about them in article having a bearing to them

      Again however you view Islam religion not concern me. It does not affect how I or God personally view the meaning of the word Islam.

      So don't try to force your view on others and don't condemn others base on your view

      If there is anything I wrote here that is unscriptural I will appreciate you point it out

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      Doug Cutler 

      7 months ago from Temperance. Mich

      You a Jehovah's Witness is that point. And one of their main teachings is Jesus being an archangel. And that being true than he not the only begotten that co-created angels. BTW that where created lower then spirit form of man. And if you can't get that right then why would anyone believe anything you say.

      Point two is I already covered. The words Muslim and Islam is offensive to many peoples ears for the fact that the words represent evil cutthroat rape condoning religion. Just like JW's don't like cross cause it is thing Jesus on. Don't like word church case that what Christendom calls the temple. And don't like word temple, I guess because that is what had a par tin condemning Jesus??? The mere words Muslim and Islam I just don't like because of what they came to represent. At the risk of being rude and crude: Cutthroat, lying, raping. enslaving group of people who, TODAY, 40% saying it all right. Bottom line the words are offensive.

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      7 months ago from Nigeria

      Look at you. You think you can make me feel guilty because I say am submitter to the will of God, because I use the Arabic word Islam or Muslim?

      Whichever way you understand it let it be so to you.

      Mere men see outward appearance but God YHWH sees what the heart is.

      If you guys don't understand my stand at least there is one who do. God

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      charlie 

      7 months ago from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth in between the oceans

      you finally admit you are a mus-slime now you have fully exposed who you are as I have been saying

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      7 months ago from Nigeria

      Hi Doug

      It is unthinkable that I should change this article.

      You guys are too canal. For the reason that Mohammed which i have nothing to do with chose an arabic word Islam to describe his religion does not make the word itself evil.

      Do you know how obedience or submition is translated in Arabic Bible?

      I repeat. You guys are interested in Islam as a religion but am not.

      Am only interested in Islam as actual submition to God.

      The title is only used to call attention and does not say Jesus is a Muslim religion.

      I am not half Muslim religion but am full Muslim (one who does Islam by actually submitting to the will of God as found in his word the bible)

      And please what brought Jesus as an archangel or not to this article?

      About the said vile practices by the religion called Islam, that actually drive home the point am making in this article

      For the fact that the so called religion have not actually submitted to God proves them false from being Islamic at all.

      The only those God view Islamic (submitted to his will) are those imitating Jesus in obeying God.

      Any other thing you dragging in to infer is absolutely meaningless.

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      Doug Cutler 

      7 months ago from Temperance. Mich

      Say whaaaaaat? The title says Muslim! The word and reference is all over the article. And Sodomites did far worse than butt sex. Study them! Torture chambers and such, Haughtiness and much more. Butt sex part was mild compared to other things they did. Again you try to raise a vile evil people above Christians. And I mean today, not back in inquisition or witch hunt days. Islam is associated with those cut throat raping Muslims. Just like the swastika was just a power symbol b4 WWII, And not looked upon as evil until then. You take words associated with pure evil and try make them look good.

      Do us a favor and remove such offensive words. Or show them in the light of what they have come to mean to average decent folk Even remove from title! Are you half Muslim? It appears so. 40% condoning such vile practices is not one I want to associate with. And Jesus is not an archangel! Not if he some thing much higher. And if a mere messenger angel then he not the only begotten.

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      charlie 

      7 months ago from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth in between the oceans

      Your entire article is built on false belief and false statements. To be fair to you I did read the redo and am commenting as you asked.

      Your changes did not change anything. The fact remains that NO ONE is born a Christian, contrary to your assertion you MUST BE BORN AGAIN to become a disciple of Christ. Becoming a christian in one of the many divisions of the churches of men is what they do make false christians. There is no scripture supporting calling a disciple of Christ a christian. The only scripture reference to the disciples being called christians says the disciples were first called christians in antioch, and was probably an epithet and not complementary. The only way one can enter the the eternal kingdom of God is by becoming a disciple of Christ and enduring to the end and NO CHURCH in the APOSTATE CHURCH SYSTEM of man can make you one, only a disciple of Christ can make disciples of Christ. God is not and never has Been found in the false church system of men in this age, HE HATES DIVISION AND WILL NOT GO WHERE THERE IS DIVISION , yet they claim to be of God with all their over 46000 divisions.

      The word muslum cannot be applied to Jesus Christ the son of The living God, no matter what you or anyone else believe. The word is a muslum word and muslums follow the evil satanic koran and its son of satan founder mohamed. God is not associated with it in any way. My assessment of your article still stands it is not of God and still discredits your writing as worth reading

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      7 months ago from Nigeria

      Hello friends

      It is not my aim to confuse you with this writing

      In order to make my point and stand clear. In order to help you understand what my writing is proving, I have decided to edit many this and made some point to stand out.

      Pls read it again and let me know if you now understand what this writing is saying.

      God Bless.

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      7 months ago

      Doug

      You people are so interested in the religion called Islam and the people called Muslim but l am not.

      Am only interested in the word Islam. Which ever way SUBMISSION is translated and which ever language it is translated from does not count.

      Mind you, this article is only MY IDEA AND OPINION not that of JWs.

      So please do not drag them in.

      And do you know that the so-called Churches claiming to be Christian also brutally killed and lumped peoples heads as you say religion of Islam do?

      If you understand this article you will see how I rebuke all so-called Muslim and so-called Churches claiming to be Christian.

      Even the people Sodom and gomora will rise and condemn many claiming to be Christian.

      So go back to understand my writing.

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      Doug Cutler 

      7 months ago from Temperance. Mich

      Sorry if I being judgmental hear! You want to compare Jesus and Christians to a bunch of head looping, lie to the infidel. raping enslaving Muslim religion to the average Christian? Fact: A survey of Muslims in Egypt and Sudan. And I guess any other Muslim country. Is it acceptable to kill and subvert Christians and rape and plunder them? $40% said yes. Do you think that # would be anywhere near that high in more civilized religions? I think not.

      But God forbid me to compare any other Christian group today to JW's. You going to hold up the worst major religious group as an example to follow? It is like me calling a Kingdom Hall a church. Wih it is. A place to learn and worship. But to say a Kingdom Hall is a church is a no no because it infers JW's believe all that Christendom does. I refuse to compare myself and other religions to such a brutal and evil religion. Even though there are no doubt decent folk trapped into it.

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      charlie 

      7 months ago from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth in between the oceans

      It got better as soon as I confessed it to the Lord, don't need your help for that but needed to admit my fault or I wiuld not be honest if I did not.

      I did answer that last comment. 3 things but you ignored 2. I use the interlinear Bible, the Amplified bile and several others but the truth comes from confirmation by the Holy Spirit of God as there is NO OTHER source of ALL truth

      There is no sense of us conversing further as you do not read and check what I say, you use your beliefs t answer. Believe it or not I do check with scripture and the Holy Spirit against your writing before I reply. You have some accurate knowledge but more that is not. Goodbye

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      7 months ago from Nigeria

      I want to commend you for admitting your wrong attitude, but it can get better if you will get to understand what I write in thia article more better

      I want to let you know that though I do not condem king James version, it is not the Bible I use.

      However you failed to tell us the version of bible you quoted from.

      I don't see any different between the judging you cited here and how it is in KJ.

      I agree with you that when Jesus said not to judge, he did not mean we should not condemn false teachings or worship.

      But any such condemnation must be according to scriptural standards. Setting your own standards of right and wrong base on your own feelings and convention is the judging we must not do. God alone is our status giver.

      I challenged you to pinpoint any thing I said in this article that runs contrary to Bible teaching

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      charlie 

      7 months ago from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth in between the oceans

      siy-- First I will ask forgiveness for my attitude, I did get angry and my attitude was wrong. I am not apologizing for what I said only my attitude which was angry and not of the scripture.

      be angry and sin not. You say Christ said do not judge, that is a lie of apostate man found in the KJV , king james personal bought and paid for bible made to discredit the Geneva bible which sacred him, scripture does not say that. It says do not judge unless you are willing to be judged by the measure that you use. I am ready and willing to be judged by scripture but not by the horrible KJV interpretation or false doctrines of men.

      Here is what the scripture says Matt 7:1-7

      7 "Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

      When Christ confronted the evil priests He did not gently say gee fellows you might be wrong He called them some very strong names. When Paul confronted the believers he named names and what they were doing wrong. as a disciple of Christ we are to expose error so it does not infect the weaker ones. Your article bring much confusion and wrong doctrine, doctrine of men. You take a word in a different language and try to fit it into english, (islam is not an english word and has no business being used in an english article as if it is)that is not acceptable. Muslim is the name of those that follow the pedophile mohammed and is in no way to be used for my Lord Jesus Christ, that is absolutely wrong. The word muslum, I prefer mus-slime based on their actions in following their false prophet, has nothing to do With God the creator of all things or Jesus Christ His son.

      Believe me I know what submission is, and believe in it but my submission is to Jesus Christ alone as scripture tells me and i do not and will not let a lie about my Lord to go unchallenged. Anyone that wants to drag any other doctrine into the world of Jesus Christ is , according to scripture, unstable in all his ways. Any one that wants to include anything from the false doctrine of man or relating false religion to HIM is not filled with the Holy Spirit of GOD and therefore is not of Christ. And is to be exposed as a false prophet, just as Paul exposed those in scripture.

      Jesus Himself said He did not come to bring peace but to bring a separation between the things of God and those of man (carnal man serves satan).

      I read your article several times and still find no redeeming value in it for a disciple of Christ even though church christians probably like it , it is not a truth concerning the Lord Jesus Christ and therefore is not of God.

      I will again state- trying to mix anything muslum (not of God)with Jesus Christ makes you unstable in all your ways as it shows you have loyalty to other than Christ and do not really believe in what you are presenting here as truth. Jesus Christ stands alone in this age and NO OTHER can stand beside Him, or before Him.

      I stand by my words ( but not my previous bad attitude for which I have repented)and am willing to be judged in the same manner, by scripture but not the KJV false doctrine of do not judge.

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      7 months ago from Nigeria

      It is no longer the responsibility of Christ to judge? It is now your responsibility?

      You are the real anti Christ because you are clearly going against what Christ said "do not judge", did he say this command to the pagans or his disciples?

      If I should insult you and condemn you they way you do because of your lack of knowledge, I will not be a Christian.

      For when Christ was being persecuted, he did not go on threathining but comited himself to God.

      You will be more confused because you do not have the spirit.

      This is the time for true submition

      You will see but will not understand and hear but will not get the sense of it till you show yourself humble to learn.

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      charlie 

      7 months ago from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth in between the oceans

      It is the responsibility of disciples of Christ to judge all that professes to be of God to see it it is of God.

      Your article does nothing but cause confusion- confusion is NOT OF GOD so your article is not of God

      It is a case of you playing word games not of promoting Christ. Your word games try to take away the Validity of Christ. You are ANTICHRIST . I am done with you son of satan you do not know the real Jesus and only desire to cause confusion

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      7 months ago from Nigeria

      What first section is not true? Make your point clear. Quote where you think is not true.

      The article never say Christ is Muslim religion.

      Islam is a word which mean submission to the will of God. Jesus submitted to the will of God. Jesus is not a follower of Quran. So he is not a Muslim by religion.

      As long as obedience to God is concern, Jesus obeyed God. He enjoyed peace with God and that is what real Islam mean.

      I didn't say Jeus is a Muslim by religion called Islam. Jesus I a submiter to the will of his father God. In that sense, he proved to be a real Muslim

      Thus anyone I mutating Christ by doing the will of the father is the real submitter.

      Those imitating Christ are those God regards as the real Muslim(obedience to Gods will)

      Understand Mr and stop judging.

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      charlie 

      7 months ago from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth in between the oceans

      the first section is not true at all, may be what Nigerians think but is simply not true--a lie

      this is a true mus-slime article trying to discredit the LORD JESUS CHRIST. MUSLIMS ARE AN ENEMY OF THE SONS OF GOD. JESUS CHRIST IS NOT AND NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE A MUS-SLIME. MUS-SLIMES ARE FOLLOWERS OF THE KORAN AND ISLUM AND THE FOUNDER THE EVIL PEDIFILE MOO-HAM-ED SATAN'S RIGHT HAND MAN

      YOU ARE A FALSE PROPHET TRYING TO MAKE YOUR FALSE GOD LOOK REAL.

      GE BEHIND ME SATAN

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      7 months ago from Nigeria

      Hi Charlie

      Its preety clear also that you did not read this article or you didn't understand it

      How dare you judge me? Did the bible not says we defend our believe with spirit of mindness?

      You were so arrogant and insulting. Does that make you Christian when you are clearly going against Christ command not to judge or insult?

      If you take time and read very well and understand what I wrote you will find out that you and I are proving the same point but in diversed ways.

      My people perish because of lack of knowledge says the bible.

      Go back and read this article again and if there is any point I made that is not scriptural point it out please. Thanks.

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      charlie 

      7 months ago from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth in between the oceans

      it is pretty clear you are not a disciple of Christ, you may be a christian)(follower of the doctrines of man) and you clearly are an agent of the antichrist, satan. This article is pure foolishness from your imagination. Is that clear enough for you?

      I will agree to you being a mus-slime but you are not a child of God. You do not possess the Holy Spirit of God. You probably are possessed by one of the false spirits that goes by the name holy spirit.

      A mus-slime is one that follows and submits to the satanic koran

      To be a child of the real God one must be a disciple of Christ, the son of God who is the Lord of this age and the only one that can write names in the book of life.

      Nothing else matters. Yous are tested against scripture and failed that makes you antichrist and to be avoided by all who belong to Christ

      Jesus lineage is of God all the way.

      moohamed's lineage is from satan all the way. You lie when relate Jesus Christ the son of God to moohamed (the prince of islum) and I rebuke for your lies

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      7 months ago from Nigeria

      Hi Charlie

      Can you make your comment meaningful?

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      charlie 

      7 months ago from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth in between the oceans

      what foolish gibberish clearly from antichrist not Jesus Christ nothing here with any value esp NO ETERNAL VALUE

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      17 months ago from Nigeria

      Doug Cutler

      This is just the way you understand it. Well, you have the right to believe whatever you like but that does not make your belive to be the truth.

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      Doug Cutler 

      2 years ago from Temperance. Mich

      From my previous post: "I believe The Dead Sea Scrolls are what God protected for our use today."

      Also it is suggested that the early Jewish Christians wrote most of the originals in Hebrews. During/after the fall of Jerusalem the Hebrew/Aramaic was not common in the extended areas the Jews found them selves in. So they were translated to Greek, Latin and other. Mathew and Hebrews is thought to be first written in Hebrew and shortly thereafter rewritten by the author to Greek because that was the language of the lands they were being used in. Also, when the Roman Army surrounded Jerusalem many of the original Hebrew writings were concealed and not yet found. Remember the Dead Sea Scrolls were concealed around 2000 years and found 1946 thru. 1956.

      Hopefully, when found it will clear up one of the contradictions in Hebrews. That being the insistence of Enoch had to die because of:

      Hebrews 11:5 A general statement

      13 In faith all of these died, although they did not receive the fulfillment of the promises;+ but they saw them from a distance+ and welcomed them and publicly declared that they were strangers and temporary residents in the land.

      As opposed to: Hebrews 11:13 A definite statement.

      By faith Eʹnoch+ was transferred so as not to see death, and he was nowhere to be found because God had transferred him;+ for before he was transferred he received the witness that he had pleased God well.

      The general statement, 11:13, some believe does not apply to Abel, Enoch, and Noah because of some earlier verses. So forget those +'s

      I will go with the definite, Enoch did not see death per 11:5.

      You must realize that heaven has three meanings in the O.T.

      It is the lower heaven, the sky, that Enoch was transferred away from.

      And to one of Gods other heavens, mentioned by Jesus, not the highest

      one JW claim is meant here.

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      Doug Cutler 

      2 years ago from Temperance. Mich

      Jesus did fulfill his part of the prophecy. Jesus is not an angel!

      Archangel Micheal will fulfill his, as in Rev. And those two verses you quote? Of those two: Did the evil bishops add archangel to the text?

      And "go (his disciples) make disciples..teaching them". Mathew 28:19, 20. That was the only method till recently.

      JW are not the first or the only to do mission work. As I stated in my first comments. Some religion is better than none.

      Sites do not use the JW.ORG or NWT for reference to the truth. I wont either. Only in a negative way do I see them referenced. I may too.

      None of the NTs are correct. Some are worse than others. Show me the original writings as written! Why would I use the most corrupted out of the corrupted??

      I use messiah as the Jews did. An anointed person. And more than one.

      I believe The Dead Sea Scrolls are what God protected for our use today.

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      2 years ago from Nigeria

      Doug Cutler

      regarding your second comments.

      I have already say much about it above.

      Whatever you found in internet that tell you there are 2 Messiahs is wrong accept if one take the meaning of the word and apply it to those chosed or anoited by God before the coming of Christ.

      From Genesis, God promised only one Messiah not for the Jews alone but for all makind.

      "i will put enmity between you (satan) and the woman, and between your seed (Satan supporters) and her offspring (Jesus)". genesis 3:15.

      In this first bible prophecy, Jehovah explained the mission of that coming offspring, the Messiah. To break up and undo the work of the Devil.

      When compare with NT, appostle John tells us;

      "the Devil has been sinning from the beginning, for this the son of God was made manifest to break up the works of the devil". 1 John 3:8.

      When you compare the NT and OT, they writers agree that Jesus was the promised Messiah to save the world and till now, the world is not waiting for anyone else but Christ.

      If you beleive that some original bible part was destroyed by so-called people, thats your problem.

      we certainly know that God is capable of preserving his word and that he has done so for the benefit of mankind. We have all we need to know all that God wants us to do for servaltion.

      Second. If you think JW are not those fulfiling Dan 12 but the internet.

      You need to go see a doctor.

      In The internet, people pread what they beleive and thinks. But look at the words of that prophecy again "true knowledge" the truth about God.

      The number one website in internet today that teaches the truth about God is JW.ORG

      the most distributed magazine today is the Watchtower and Awake.

      Where internet have not gotten to, these magazines are there. Before internet become purpular, that prophecy had already started its fulfilment.

      Remember that prophecy was made before Jesus, and Jesus later commioned a method of spreading the knowledge, was it internet when he said:

      "you (his disciples) will be witnesses of me...to the most distance part of the earth"? Acts 1:8

      And "go (his disciples) make disciples..teaching them". Mathew 28:19, 20.

      If Daniel prophecy is left for only uncodinated sphere of internet, there will only be more falsehood thatn truth. More confussion than convintion and more disorder than oreder, more pagan than Christ real disciples. God knows the truth if you fail to.

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      2 years ago from Nigeria

      Doug Cutler,

      Regading your first comments.

      You said you still beleives Adam was a spirit being before being created and that you supported that view with the bible, however, I cannot see or remember you proving that from the bible.

      "for dust you are and to dust you will return". Genss 3:19

      Are you calling God stupid? Questioning why he did not say to Adam, 'your body will go to dust but your spirit will not die"?

      Remember the purnishment to Adam is "Death", and God did not say anything about Adam being divided into two or three.

      Doug, use the bible and prove what "death" is, according to the bible please.

      Yes, the account of Jude did not mentioned "Jesus" neither did it say the arch Angel is not Jesus. But we know that Jesus was the Chief of the Angels that deffended God's people while they were coming out of Egypt.

      We also know that there is no evidence in the entire inspired bible to prove that there are two Messiahs. However, it is your lack of understanding in God's word that is making you to beleive in such two Messiah.

      The word Messiah (Christ, Grk) means "anoited one, or appointed one". Therefore, anyone anoited by God like Moses or the kings in Israel, in that sense is "a" Messiah but not "the" Messiah.

      When you compare the bible's use of the word arch angel in OT and NT and to whom it refers to "The great prince " who will fight the final battle of God in the "time of the end". Read Dan 10:13, 11:40.

      Then Compare the above accounts with the description of Jesus "coming in the cloud of heaven with his (note the word "HIS") powerful angels" in 2 Thess 1:7, Mathew 24:29-30

      Then 31 says: "he (Jesus) will send out his angels (Note: "HIS Angels") with a great sound of a trumpet".

      This correspond to the same Paul's word found at 1 Thess 4:16

      "The Lord will descend from heaven.. with the archangel's voice and God's trumpet".

      Many accounts of revelation book show Jesus commanding the Angels.

      As I already explained before, the word "Arch Angel" is singular in the bible not plural. There is only one such arch angel.

      The word angel mean "messenger": thus, arch angel or not Jesus is certainly God's messenger, and can be also called an angel.

      Whatever you believe out of this biblical evidences is your own mind-set given.

      You said You proven that that Jesus beleive in recarnation?

      However, all i see you doing in infering with no biblical or historic evidences. There is nothing like that as long as the bible is concern.

      Neither am I a scholar Doug, I tend to remind you of your struggling to make a point because you insulted me of having a difficulty of understanding because English is not my first language. So i thought you are perfect in it.

      Most certainly, we know that the bible evidently proves that Jesus is Michael the Leader of all the angels. Something proven from the bible cannot be a myth.

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      Doug Cutler 

      2 years ago from Temperance. Mich

      I have found evidence that there are 2, if not more then 2 Messiahs. The Dead Sea Scrolls, much written in Hebrew, show the facts.

      Messiah means: "to lightly oil" anoint? And is not singular. There is a priestly messiah, as described in the 4 gospels and a kingly messiah as described in Revelations. That being Micheal the Archangel in Rev. The Angel of the early Jews. Jesus is not an angel.

      Some of the later corrupt Jews changed the multiple messiahs to one. The Essenes moved away from the corrupt Jews to the Qumran area. They hid the scrolls away and were found in 1946 thru. 1956.

      The scrolls that did not fall off the table were gone through by the corrupt bishops and were bastardized between them and the roman ruler Constantine and his control freak wife. The corrupt Jews even took out books. Namely the apocrypha books, and maybe others, in 90 A.D.

      Is the "secret prophecy" in the Dead Sea Scrolls? Daniel 12:4: "But you, Daniel, keep this prophecy a secret; seal up the book until the time of the end, when many will rush here and there, and knowledge will increase." ? Do you have a clue? You will also notice I have quoted scripture here, and may have to from time to time for your benefit.

      I believe that "knowledge will increase." is more to do with the internet and not the JW pestering and annoying people. Awaiting your reply.

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      Doug Cutler 

      2 years ago from Temperance. Mich

      Yes I do believe Adam's spirit existed before it was incarnated in the body we call Adam. No! I do not believe Adam, the body, existed before then.

      I have been quoting the Bible regularly. Go back and check previous posts. I do not think it necessary to give verses every time I say something!

      Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

      This does not mention Jesus. The other case just says with an archangel's voice. The instance just says that an archangel announced Jesus. Just like our president or another leader have some one announce their entrance with a load voice.

      Jesus had a message. That does not make him an angel or archangel?

      He can do what an angel does and things angels can't do.

      Just because the bible says archangel 2 times does not mean there is only 1 archangel. God is the chief of Jesus. Does that make him just an angel? God gives messages too!

      The JW do this several times, if not more. Take a couple instances and claim it means something. Prove that Jesus is, or was Micheal!

      I have proven that Jesus, and others, believed in reincarnation. Because he/they referenced it. They didn't call it "reincarnation" maybe they didn't have a word for it??? Per my previous posts. You are way too hung up on individual words and miss the whole point. Just like you accuse me of. I am no scholar. Just an average person. And yes I do struggle making a point sometimes and may use the wrong words.

      You like to cast stones it appears.

      You quote:

      "for there will be a period of time when they (humans, Christians) will not put up with wholesome teachings....they will give attention to false stories (myth)". 2 Timothy 4:3,4.

      I, and many others say:

      This statement could also apply to the JW. Myth: Jesus being Micheal!

      And many others.

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      2 years ago from Nigeria

      Doug Cutler

      you still insist that Adam was existing before been created. You are fulfiling bible's prophecies. Thanks to God that you quote no single religious holy book nor the bible to prove your mythology. We have bases for what we accept as truth, the bible. It warns;

      "Reject irreverent false stories (Myth), like those told by old women". 1 Timothy 4:7

      "for there will be a period of time when they (humans, Christians) will not put up with wholesome teachings....they will give attention to false stories (myth)". 2 Timothy 4:3,4.

      For your question about JW understanding bible prophecies, I still refer you to the hub on the link above, no need to repeating it here.

      As for your last points, am not sure I get what you are trying to say. However, you mentioned Arch-Angels (plural)

      However, in the bible (not mythological books), the word Arch-Angel (singular) is used, there is only such one Arch Angel not more than one. Thus, its singular not plural.

      Since Many other bible verses describes Jesus as Leading the angels, commanding them, and also "Jesus will descend with the arch Angel's voice". 1 thess 4:16.

      Thus, there is only one chief of the angels, Jesus...

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      Doug Cutler 

      2 years ago from Temperance. Mich

      You said

      Again, you said Adam had a spirit that existed before he was made by God. That too is a myth. Why?

      I state that:

      Yes, that be a part of God that incarnated into a body called Adam. You still insist that the physical is the most important. Adam was the tool that God used to teach the new spirit/soul, whatever you want to call it, the ways of God and gradually learn enough to partake of the Tree of Life. Satan deceived them into believing they could bypass all the training and experiencing. And they would live forever in a very bad condition.

      You:

      JW certainly have improved understanding of prophecies today. Thus, we now understand better than our brothers then do. One thing about them is they allow the bible adjust their teaching not adjusting bible to match their teaching.

      I:

      When did all this new understanding take place? 2015? When was it not clear 1994? Of coarse it has to change since 1994 came and went and no New Jerusalem! You sound just like the Russians claiming they had the very best form of government and there was no use trying to change it. Until it fell apart in 1989. The JW have claimed several times over the years they had it all together, then had to adjust their thinking later. What is different now? How many more changes?

      Angles are only messengers Jesus is 3rd in power. Human spirits have the potential to be higher than the angles. Arch angels are just above the other angles. Not equal to Jesus. Advanced Human spirits will be above the angels. God created man special and this made the others in God's

      creation jealous. This is why Satan tried to make Adam/Eve/Job/Jesus/you/me sin too much and God then would destroy us. Jesus saved mankind because he loves us. Angels have even said not to worship them because they are only messengers.

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      2 years ago from Nigeria

      Doug Cutler

      you said;

      "That JW link you refer me to used a lot of those mythical words as true"

      Until you prove this point from the link I refer you to.

      You made this statement because you may have misunderstood my early statement about the Hebrew words used.

      What i said earlier was not that these words-Neshesh, Hell, Hades, sheol, Ruach-are myth, I said 'the pagans that influence the Jews and Christians have a mythical explanation of these words which difers from thei meaning in the bible, it is this pagan myths you are puting emphasis on. google it and see.

      "who are you to determine when it is mythical or not"?

      We don not determine, but God does. Any story or teaching that goes contrary to what the bible teaches on the same story or teaching is false, a myth. "God's word is Truth".

      In regard to the book of Maccabees, go back and read my statements. I said its historic, its a true history just like other histories that are not inspired by God.

      "i use the word never because this is what the members (of JW) are going to say after being brain wash".

      Doug, JW study very well just as every other person, what differenciates us from you and many others is that 'we do not go beyond what is written in God's word". 1 Corithian 4:6.

      If it comes to brain-wash, I think you who is beleiving pagans mythology, you that has no true substance for your beleives, you who only pick certain doctrines that suits you from any religion, its you that statement should apply to. (not insult please)

      in regard to my former statement of calling Ruach Greek, I accept I made a mistake which I corrected, just that you didn't see my correction.

      Again, you said Adam had a spirit that existed before he was made by God. That too is a myth. Why?

      It runs contray to what the bible teaches and only goes a long way to support Satan's deceiptive argument to Eve.

      The bible says; "the wages sin pays is death". Romans 6:23.

      What is death? God told Adam. "for dust you are and to dust you will return". Before God created Adam, he was none existing, returning to dust mean a 'state of none existence', that's death.

      As for Ruach, it appears first place in the bible at Genesis 1:2 regarding the holy spirit.

      It first use in reference to man, was at Genesis 2:7 refering to the "breath (Ruach) of life and he (man) became a living soul (Nephesh)"

      do you clearly see why the link i refer you to says that soul and spirit can never be the same? Can you see it from Genesis 2:7? The bible is our bases.

      "Do the JW still insist that Jesus is Michael the arch angel?".

      We certainly do know that their is much evident in the bible to insist that Jesus is the arch Angel Michael. If you want to know more, go to JW.org find the online library and search for the word, "who is michael the arch angel?".

      "or will the end come 70 years after 1914 in 1984 or 80 years, 1994"?

      JW certainly have improved understanding of prophecies today. Thus, we now understand better than our brothers then do. One thing about them is they allow the bible adjust their teaching not adjusting bible to match their teaching.

      Let me not repeat words, I have this issue explained in the hub here " https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/If-Jesus-...

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      Doug Cutler 

      2 years ago from Temperance. Mich

      I have told you that these words; Nephesh, Ruach, Hell, Hades, Sheol etc has their mythical explanations which differs from how it was used in the holy word of God. Am not interested in myth but how it was used in the bible.

      You said

      point of correction. According to the bible use of the word "Nephesh" which mean either 'whole being or life'.

      That JW link you referred me to: http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102005156?q=im... uses a lot of those "mythical words as true.

      How can you say Nephesh is mythical in one instance then say it is true

      later? Or, Who are you to determine when it is mythical and when it is true?

      How can you say that the book of I Maccabees is myth and it is the festival of the dedication of the temple in I Maccabees that Jesus publicly dedicated himself and almost got stoned.

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      You said:

      you claim English is your first language as it's not my first, yet I can't say I truely get all what you are struggling to say.

      "soul can never mean spirit according to JW" I use the word never because that is what the membe3rs are going to use after brain washing.

      Below is copied from that very JW site you told me to read.

      Let us now consider the Bible’s use of the term “spirit.” Some people think that “spirit” is just another word for “soul.” However, that is not the case. The Bible makes clear that “spirit” and “soul” refer to two different things. How do they differ?

      Bible writers used the Hebrew word ruʹach or the Greek word pneuʹma when writing about the “spirit.”

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      Again, you also acused me of saying 'Ruach' is Greek. You said English is your first language, don't you understand it again?

      Here is what I copied from one of your post. Maybe not the post that you used in your defence.

      When the bible uses the word "Spirit"-breeze, air, wind, breath, force (Grk. Ruach. Heb. Sykhe) is the bible talking about a 'shadowy' part of humans that will travel to go meet God?

      I don't think you realize that shadowy has several meanings. Some are

      a shadow, ghostly, invisible, unseen. Maybe a should have used the word unseen or invisible.

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      Then where was that spirit before God made Adam? Does it mean Adam has existed somewhere before God created him?

      That spirit is a part of God. So it did exist before being incarnated into

      the body we call Adam. We are a small part of God first and most important, then mind/personality, least of all the body.

      Hebrew word Ruach "spirit" first time used in Genesis 6:3 in refference to man". You said: Wrong. Very very wrong.

      When was the first time Ruach was used to describe a man then?

      You said

      Understand me, JW has nothing to do with Myth we only go with what the bible says.

      I ask, speaking of myths:

      Do the JW still insist Jesus was Michael the Archangel? Or, will the end come 70 years after 1914, in 1984 or 80 years, 1994, due to special mightiness? Or is it now the 120 years as mentioned in Genesis? That would make it 2034.

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      2 years ago from Nigeria

      Doug Cutler

      you claim English is your first language as it's not my first, yet I can't say I truely get all what you are struggling to say.

      "soul can never mean spirit according to JW"

      point of correction. According to the bible use of the word "Nephesh" which mean either 'whole being or life'.

      Ezikiel 18:4, 1 peter 3:20

      I have already told you that we have bases, true bases for our understanding-the bible.

      Your bases is google and Jewish reasoning which is clouded with Mythology of the Romans.

      I have told you that these words; Nephesh, Ruach, Hell, Hades, Sheol etc has their mythical explanations which differs from how it was used in the holy word of God. Am not interested in myth but how it was used in the bible.

      Whether to the Greeks it has hundreds of meaning and to the Jews it has thousands of meaning, even as their are "many gods and many lords", their is actually to JW only one meaning, what the bible really teaches!

      Hebrew word Ruach "spirit" first time used in Genesis 6:3 in refference to man". Wrong. Very very wrong.

      I warned you not to give meaning to a bible verse you don't understand.

      At Genesis 6:3, Jehovah says; "my spirit will not tolerate man indefinately" (NWT)

      you said English is your first language but you did not see the posessive noun "my"?

      The spirit (Ruach) is Jehovah's not man's. this should also help you to see the different context the bible use the word 'ruach'.

      Already, God is a spirit (Ruach) being, how then does he refer to 'his spirit'? Does it mean God has a spirit inside him as you claim when the word is used in reference to humans?

      The context of that account should help you understand what God mean by "my spirit".

      you accuse that JW says the 120yrs is 1,000yrs?

      Now I understand that you are walking in ignorance and not well informed. Why not you use JW online libery to do research on bible verses to learn the JW explanation of that verse before acusing.

      Again, you also acused me of saying 'Ruach' is Greek. You said English is your first language, don't you understand it again?

      Look at my previous post again, i said "Ruach" (Grk. pneuma) I was given you its equivalent in Greek.

      And the remaing divissions of spirit you pointed out is your own inferations and mythology which has no place in the holy scripture, the bible.

      Understand me, JW has nothing to do with Myth we only go with what the bible says.

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      Doug Cutler 

      2 years ago from Temperance. Mich

      I have read that JW link and had no trouble finding three different levels. Maybe you do not have a good grasp of English. What is your first language? I see this often from

      non-English speaking peoples.

      Soul can never mean spirit according to JW, Other writers may use the word soul to include spirit. I will repeat. Soul has three different meanings to a lot of people. Bottom line is there are three major divisions. No matter what they are miscalled

      I will go along with what the Hebrews write any time over what the Christians write. It is their language and they know what they meant to say more so than any foreigner.

      Hebrew word ruʹach “spirit.” First time used at Genises 6:3 in reference to man. My spirit/ru'ach shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years. Is it 120 years or 1,000 years? JW insist it is 1,000????

      In a previous post you stated ruach was Greek. This is not true. It is Hebrew. I think you are switching the word places and getting confused. See below

      JW: Bible writers used the Hebrew word ruʹach or the Greek word pneuʹma when writing about the “spirit.

      http://judaism.stackexchange.com Hebrew word רוּחַ ruach ,spirit

      The soul is likened to the breath of air that a glass blower uses to inflate hot soft glass. Breaks down both process into three parts. The first is the air, as it is still in the glassblower’s cheeks. This corresponds to the neshamah, the part of man which is most connected to Hashem (God). When the air leaves the glassblower’s mouth, it flows down a tube. The tube connects the glassblower and his work. In the same sense, the ru’ach dwells in the connection between the physical and the spiritual. This flow, a wind, is the ru’ach. From the tube, the air enters the glass, “dust of the ground”. This is the nefesh, giving shape and purpose to our physical selves.

      Hashem means Lord: The name used to represent God because only Rabies are permitted to use YHWH.

      I always used spirit as the highest. As do the JW. May have to change my definitions that have been ingrained over the years to match the Jewish definitions. to Physical soul, between: spirit soul, God part.

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      2 years ago from Nigeria

      Doug Cutler

      i don't know how your understanding is, your problem is putting too much emphasis on theories and philosophical explanations.

      Let me make this clear

      I have bases, true Christians have bases for our understanding-the bible. The Jews you said "have three levels of soul" is their concern not the bible's. The bible do not teach three level of soul and the ancient servants of God as seen in the bible did not have such beleive. The Jews allowed the Greeks to influence their teaching, there many doctrine of the Jews that are not biblical.

      Read Job 14:13, 14.

      Seems you are mistaking the two words. "Nephesh" (Grk Sykhe) translated as 'soul' which i already explained. the bible uses the word to mean either the "whole being" or "life".

      “In Noah’s day . . . a few people, that

      is, eight souls, were carried safely through the

      water.” ( 1 Peter 3:20)

      The account you quoted in Genesis 35:18 refers to the "life" of the one dying, perhasp she fainted or was comatosed before her actual death.

      "Ruach" (Grk Pneuma) translated as 'spirit' in the bible refers to "life activating force, the breath of life". The bible uses the word Ruach for wind or breeze also, mostly the context tell which it refers.

      Please please, the bible do not teach the soul is three level.

      What you should understand is that some word used in the bible has their mythical explanation outside the bible, of which meaning are not the same as bible meaning, e,g Ruach, nephesh, sykhe, shoel, hades, hell, all have their mythical meaning outside the bible

      the problem was that the Jews and later Christians allowed the mythical Pagan meaning of these words to cloud what it means in the bible, and that is the problem you have.

      Nomatter how those in U.S or other places refers it, JW do not subscribe to the mythical explanations of these words, but what it means according to God's word, just have that in mind.

      For more information, please see

      http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102005156?q=im... ..

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      2 years ago from Nigeria

      Doug Cutler

      i don't know how your understanding is, your problem is putting too much emphasis on theories and philosophical explanations.

      Let me make this clear

      I have the bases, true Christians have bases for our understanding-the bible. The Jews you said "have three levels of soul" is their concern not the bible's. The bible do not teach three level of soul and the ancient servants of God as seen in the bible did not have such beleive. The Jews allowed the Greeks to influence their teaching, there many doctrine of the Jews that are not biblical.

      Seems you are mistaken the two words. Nephesh translate 'soul' which as already explain the bible uses the word to mean either the "whole being" or "life".

      The account you quoted in Genesis 35:18 refers to the "life" of the one dying, perhasp she fainted or was comatosed before her actual death.

      Ruach in the bible refers to "life activating force, the breath of life". The bible uses the word Ruach for wind or breeze, mostly the context tell which it refers.

      Please please, the bible do not teach the soul is three level.

      What you should understand is that some word used in the bible have their mythical explanation outside the bible, of which meaning are not the same as bible meaning, e,g Ruach, nephesh, sykhe, shoel, hades, hell, all have their mythical meaning outside the bible

      the problem was that the Jews and later Christians allowed the mythical Pagan meaning of these words to cloud what it means in the bible, and that is the problem you have.

      Nomatter how those in U.S or other places refers it, JW do not subscribe to the mythical explanations of these words, but what it means according to God's word, just have that in mind.

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      Doug Cutler 

      2 years ago from Temperance. Mich

      The Jews Have 3 levels of soul in Genesis 1 it is the physical. Genesis 2 the personal/moral and Genesis 3 the spiritual. So the confusion is which are they referring to at any particular time. Also:

      Kabbalah separates the soul into three elements: the nephesh is related to instinct, the ruach is related to morality, and the neshamah is related to intellect and the awareness of God.

      So you may be wrong insisting ruach being the physical/instinct.

      Depends on how someone interpreted or misinterpreted it.

      Genesis 35:18 It came about as her soul was departing (for she died), that she named him Ben-oni; but his father called him Benjamin.

      Here soul is used in the moral and spiritual. The physical soul part stays with the body. Soul means three different things. All depends on context and how the author interprets and understands it.

      So basically there is the three parts as I stated in an earlier post.

      Most people here, in the US, will refer soul to the two higher levels and not the physical as you insist on. I must admit now that there is a

      'physical" soul part after checking on line.

      I have proven that the higher soul can be immortal. You have to change your idea of soul to match what others say or you will always be in conflict with many.

      Maybe the JW should have used the words nephesh, ruach, and neshamah to be more correct. Genesis 35:18 should have been: It came about as her "ruach or neshamah" was departing (for she died), that she named him Ben-oni; but his father called him Benjamin.

      And every place soul is used should have been one or more of the three forms. This would have ended a lot of confusion.

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      2 years ago from Nigeria

      Doug Cutler

      medically there are two kinds of death. Someone can die but the body cells still alive. In that instance the person can be rivived and that is where near death experience come in, its a matter of the disruption of the brain. For example read this documented explanation.

      "Normally, after a person stops breathing and

      the heartbeat ceases, it is several minutes

      before gradual cessation of the life-force in

      the body cells begins. If the body is subjected

      to severe cold, that process can be delayed

      for hours. For this reason, it is sometimes possible to revive persons by means of

      cardiopulmonary resuscitation. They were

      what is termed “clinically dead,” but their body

      cells were still alive. Many persons revived from “clinical death”

      remember nothing. Others report experiencing

      a floating sensation. Some say they saw

      beautiful things; others were terrified by their

      experience. Is there a medical explanation for any of

      these experiences? The medical editor of The Arizona Republic

      wrote: “When physical prowess is at its

      lowest ebb, as under anesthesia, or the

      result of disease or injury, automatic

      control of bodily functions diminishes

      accordingly. Thus, the neurohormones and catecholamines of the nervous system

      are released and pour out in uncontrolled

      quantity. The result, among other

      manifestations, is the hallucination,

      rationalized after returning to

      consciousness, of having died and returned to life.”—May 28, 1977, p. C-1; also

      the German medical journal Fortschritte

      der Medizin, No. 41, 1979; Psychology

      Today, January 1981."

      there many stories that cannot be proven or which no one actually know the fact. Scientist can say this or that, and call it fact even as they claim evolution is fact, do you believe it?

      Just as i mentioned before, starting from Eve since satan told that first lie, he has worked very hard to combine it with many other lies to deceive people-lies upon lie!

      Never say the bible have some example of immortality of soul, you are yet to prove it.

      The books of Maccabees I said are historic but was not inspired. The Catholic included not only it but other apocriphal books, just as they have included many doctrines and pagan holidays into christianity, does that translate them to facts?..

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      Doug Cutler 

      2 years ago from Temperance. Mich

      So what is it when a person's body has died in an operation and the doctor's are surprised when the the person revives and tells the doctors everything they have done and who was down the hall and said they saw them self being operated on. This has also been documented in accidents. The person has left the body and a figure tells them they have to go back.

      The bible has several cases of this. Not that the person remembers part.

      It can't be your version of soul because that requires the person in a body. So that leaves the God part.

      You need to read more carefully. I mentioned two different times

      I Maccabees 1 and 4 and II Maccabees 6 and 10. and

      Namely The books I Maccabees, II Maccabees.

      You quote some other spelling "Maccabis"

      Who says these books are uninspired? They were included in the KJ till

      1885. Some say the only reason they were taken out was to save paper and ink.

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      2 years ago from Nigeria

      Doug Cutler

      Again you mixed up many mythology in order to infar and explain reinkarnation. Sorry to say, the bible verses u struggle to squeez do not teach reincanation. Why?

      First. You try quoting Jesus' word 'not to fear those that can kill the body but the body and soul.

      You inferd many myth to change the meaning of the bible. Please take not that the bible is not explain like that. You don't just pick a verse and give it meaning you think. Thats why Christiendom deviated.

      Before giving any meaning, first look at what the entire bible says about that topic. God cannot contradit himself.

      According to you; the spirit refers to "the God part of you". But according to the bible, the Spirit refers to "life force, the breath (Ruach) of life". Genesis 2:7

      The Soul you said; refers to "the mind, emotions etc". But according to the bible the "whole you" the whole animal" is the soul. Genesis 2:7.

      "the soul that sin will die". Ezikiel 18:4.

      Sometimes the bible used the word soul to represent life. God once told Moses after he fled from Egypt that "all the men who seek for your soul is dead, so return". In this context, soul refers to life.

      Jesus's word must be understood with consistence bible teaching. For example: if anyone kill God's servant. Though the person will die and no longer exist, but in God's eye, the person is not dead. His soul or life will be given back to him during resurrection.

      But if God destroy someone, there is no hope for the person gaining life again. Thus, the bible says that 'it is a fearful thing to fall in the hands of God'.

      The Soul or the life we enjoy is like kandle's flame, when it's blown off it goes no where but simple gone, only God can creat life again.

      So Jesus use the word 'body' to refer the difference between the human killing another which is temperal and God destruction of a person which is final, and does not mean the soul is an entity from d body, such teaching is against the entire bible's teaching.

      WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF THE LIE THAT HUMAN HAVE AN IMMORTAL SOUL OR SPIRIT?

      From God's chief enemy, the devil. He put this teaching in the mind of Eve, that she "will become like God" (God is a spirit) Read Genesis 3.

      Since then he has combine this lie with more lies to deceive almost all religion.

      All those adhering to this teaching have sided with the devil including Adam and Eve.

      you only mentioned the Apocriphal and not the book of Maccabis. This is the only book among them, though not inspired but can be comfirm to be historically accurate. That does not mean that all its teaching are right, it is not inspired

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      Doug Cutler 

      2 years ago from Temperance. Mich

      You are again putting too much power in the physical. Be not afraid of those that kill the the body. Fear those that can kill the body and soul.

      "Some people say you are John the Baptizer. Other people say you are Elijah. And other people say that you are one of the prophets."

      If people did not believe in reincarnation they would not believe Jesus to

      be Elijah! Some, evidently, did not realize that John and Jesus where alive at the same time. Just like today. How many believe in reincarnation? Now if Elijah came back in the same form as he left, that would be resurrection. John spoke truly. He was not the physical Elijah.

      He now was the spirit of Elijah in a new body called John. Elijah did not go to God's heaven. Back then the sky above was called heaven.

      Jesus did celebrate one of those events you call a myth. John 10:22,23

      22At that time the Feast of the Dedication took place at Jerusalem; 23 it was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple in the portico of Solomon.

      He got himself sanctified and was about to be stoned.

      If the Greek word "sanctified" was translated into Hebrew, it would be "dedication" or Hanukkah. He chose this time to be publicly dedicated.

      Hanukkah, from one of those "mythical" books written in Hebrew.

      Hanukkah is a festival which commemorates the purification and rededication of the Temple by Judas Maccabeus on Kislev 25,

      I Maccabees 1 and 4 and II Maccabees 6 and 10.

      Why would Jesus be partaking of such a festival, or the Jews celebrating such if it was a myth as you say. Are you calling the books that describe it

      a myth. Namely The books I Maccabees, II Maccabees.

      1Mac.2[58] Elijah because of great zeal for the law was taken up into heaven. Again: Heaven back then was also the sky above.

      Hebrews 4:12, "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

      Spirit: the God part of you. Soul: the mind, emotions. etc. parts

      Body: the part that goes back to dust and has no remembrance. This is the part that those many verses refer to as having no remembrance.

      I am mostly the Spirit and Soul parts. So when the body dies I do have remembrance. You may not because you think in terms of the physical.

      And, Thank God what you said about forcing some to believe is also true.

      And who are you to suggest I am not saved? God and company will do that!

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      2 years ago from Nigeria

      Doug Cutler

      "Can you tell when evil will end"?

      yes, we can tell "when" but we can't tell the 'time and hour'.

      By our or rather the bible saying "after this or that", it mean the bible have communicated to us the things after which evil will end, then we have known when it will end. And evil will end when God's kingdom takes over this world which we also know the steps how events will unfold. Read Mathew 6:9,10.

      Don't be too dull, 'keep on the watch for the events'.

      Again, I congratulate you for accurately beleiving on what the bible teaches, is the reason we die, at least, Jay C OBrien can see how different bible clear answer differs from the mythology or theory.

      "are you telling me Jesus did not say Elijah came in form of John?"

      This is why you are being confused. As I told Jay C, the bible is no novel book. It speaks in divine wisdom, parrables, proverbs, vissions and symbolism.

      At Malachi 4:5 Jehovah speaks in symbolism that he will send Elijah. The bible teaches that the dead knows nothing at all and no longer have anything to do under the sun, unless if God is to resurrect the person as the same person who died not some sort of another form or being. Eccl 9:5,6, 10.

      John was not the Elijah who died long ago, but was symbolized by Elijah because of the work he will do, that is why Jesus identify him as the so-called Elijah prophesied. Have you ever read anywhere that the Jews understood that verse as being the person of Elijah came as John? That will go against the bible teachings on death and resurrection of the dead.

      It's easy for anyone who beleives in rebirth to want to confuse himself with this symbolism, if that happens, please blaim your religion not the bible.

      As regard your point on JW, I leave you to go do the web search more fully, either on the accuracy of the "New World Translation Of The Holy Scripture" and its comparism to other translation. Jsut google about it.

      One thing stand, no one will ever force you to beleive anything, not everyone will be saved.

      For the fact that an ancient mythology writtings have stayed for eons of years do not translate them to facts. The Apocriphas remains as it is, the works of uninspired writers and its only people who love feebles and myth will accept such works.

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      2 years ago from Nigeria

      Jay C OBrien

      "I have read the bible, and i denouce any part of it which dipicts God as jealus, wrathful, vegenceful....i do not rely on bible i rely on certain prinsciples (of the bible)"

      The bible is not a novel that you can read and get the real sense of it with out help. Yes, u may understand the narrations or the gramma but that do not mean you've got the true meaning.

      For example: when the bible refers God as "a Jealus" God what do you know about this? Nothing. You take it as ordinary jealusy. God deserves our "exclusive worship" and when we don't, he feels sad just as you would if your wife should engage in fornication, we are made in God's image.

      To beleeive that God will not purnish the wicked is blasphemy and goes against the prinsciple of justice and love. Even the law of motion states that; all actions has an equal an opposit reaction". "Gos is love" and he will never allow the wicked to insult him forever.

      "Do you teach vioelence...hate or"?

      Indeed the bible teaches that God hate violence anyone doing it. Note:

      "“Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one, and anyone loving violence His soul certainly hates.” psalms 11:5

      it is out of love for what is right and concern for the opressed that God will not allow evil to go on, he love you and it pains him to see you suffer. Note:

      "For he will rescue the poor who cry for help, Also the lowly one and whoever has no helper. He will have pity on the lowly and the poor, And the lives* of the poor he will save. From oppression and frme VIOLENCE he will rescue them, * And their blood will be precious in his eyes" PSAMS 72:12-1 4

      "Do you teach vegeance or condemnation in the name of religion"?

      Religion apart. The truth that are in harmony with true jsutice, and right which are in ahrmony with God's personality is what the bible teaches.

      Humans have no right to condemn one another or take vegeance, it belongs to God.

      Just as you read in the bible that God told Adam not to eat from a tree called "tree of knowlege of good and bad" which represents his authority to decide for human what to do. Only God has the right to purnish the wicked because he love what is right.

      That God mercy and love mean that he will not purnish the wicked?

      Do you beleive God will reward the good we do?

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      Doug Cutler 

      2 years ago from Temperance. Mich

      Can you or the JW tell when evil will end? no! You can say after this or that event or condition. You should know that the Jesus said that no man knows. Not even him. Only the father.

      Yes I can tell why we get sick. Adam./Eve sinned and we inherited that sin.

      Same with old age. In that day (1,000 years) you will surely die.

      Also in your DNA there is a sort of clock.

      Are you telling me Jesus did not say Elisha came in the form of John and they did what they wanted? Or Jesus DID rebuke those asking about the blind man? And, why do baby die then? Before they even know

      anything? I have explained it but you refuse to consider. Do you have a better explanation??

      I do not believe the JW have the monopoly on the anointed. And I do not believe all their Bible is divinely correct. A quick web search will say

      otherwise. They just used standard incorrect bibles and some scrolls and

      their bible has more errors then most. They left out the apocrypha books. Martin Luther did also because it resembled the Catholics because he hated their dogma. And because the Jews did. The JW also seem to have the same attitude.

      The Jews in 90AD got together and left the apocrypha out of theirs because they could not find any that were written in Hebrew. What happened in 1946? The Dead Sea Scrolls! Some ARE in Hebrew.

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      Jay C OBrien 

      2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      "Why not you ask me the same question let me tell you what the bible teaches about them"

      I have read the Bible and I renounce any part of it which depicts God as jealous, wrathful or vengeful as blasphemy. I do not rely on the Bible, I rely on certain basic principles:

      love one another, love your enemy, sheath your sword, do to others as if they were a part of you, because they are.

      If all religions would follow these principles and not become dogmatic about their "sacred book" we would be better off. We are sacred, not a book. Now do you understand?

      Do you teach violence, vengeance, hate or condemnation in the name of religion?

      Please answer the above question directly and then I will know who you are.

    • Author Sam profile imageAUTHOR

      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      2 years ago from Nigeria

      Doug Cutler and Jay C OBrien

      I told you people earlier I have no interest in Mythology right? All I can see in your teachings is mythology based on Philosophy of the ancient philosophers.

      There is no real substance nor can your answers satisfy and give hope to anyone.

      You can tell me why we die, why we suffer.

      Can you even tell me when evil will end and how?

      Can you even explain why we get sick, grow old?

      The teaching of karma and reincanation have no real substance and quoting bible verses you dont know the real meaning will only do more to confuse you.

      Why not you ask me the same question let me tell you what the bible teaches about them

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      Jay C OBrien 

      2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      1. Why do we die?

      I cannot answer that one specifically for you. Based on the theory of reincarnation we enter each life with particular parents for a reason chosen prior to incarnation. We enter the world to learn something. Reincarnation explains things such as birth defects or infant death better than any other theory. See Doug Cutler's answer.

      2. Since Jesus never condemned any or judged as you believe, why did he suffer and died?

      There is a theory that Jesus was at one time Joshua and Jesus paid his karmic debt in this world for his genocide of the Canaanites.

      Further, the resurrection (or near death experience NDE) of Jesus is proof of an afterlife. He could not come back from nothing. A place or condition must first exist before there can be a return. All religions assume an afterlife, Jesus proved it. That was part of his mission.

      3. Will evil last forever?

      I believe all created souls will eventually be healed with forgiveness. I God creates more souls (with free will) it is up to those souls. So it depends upon how many souls God wishes to create and their free will. "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do." We are all co-creators with God.

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      Doug Cutler 

      2 years ago from Temperance. Mich

      "Suffering is a result of our condemnation of others".

      Why then do new born babies suffer or even have to die or develop disease since they never condemned any?

      Here is a good example why I believe in reincarnation and karma. It is a way to justify cases like this. The spirit has reincarnation and is paying for some past sin. Or an evil spirit has jumped into the embryo and the spirits in charge cause its death or disease. Jesus did not rebuke those asking about the blind man's past sins nor the man's father's past sins.

      The man's spirit, before incarnating, apparently agreed to be born blind

      to give honor to Jesus.

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      2 years ago from Nigeria

      Doug Cutler

      Please note:

      "For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God. (John 5:18)"

      Please note what the bible says Jesus was calling himself: " was calling God His own Father".

      And also note the accusation by the Jews: "making Himself equal with God".

      Thus, it was an allegation by the Jews that Jesus was making himself equal to God, while Jesus only said he is God's son therefore not equal to God.

      You can see, in the same verse, they accused him of breaking the sabbath of which he never did.

      Just like the Muslim today, the Jews refused to understand what Jesus meant when he call himself 'God's son'. to them he is trying to claim equality with God but not true.

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      2 years ago from Nigeria

      Jay C OBrieb

      My questions still remain untouched. You are telling me 'how and when' death occur as you understood. My question was 'why?' Why do we die?

      "Death" occurs when the energy body detaches from the material body".

      But you fail to tell me Why? what causes the so-called energy body to detach from the material body'?

      "Suffering is a result of our condemnation of others".

      Why then do new born babies suffer or even have to die or develop disease since they never condemned any?

      Since Jesus never condemned any or judged as you believe, why did he suffer and died?

      Will evil last forever?

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      Doug Cutler 

      2 years ago from Temperance. Mich

      "For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God. (John 5:18)"

      Here is a good example of where the idea of the son must, must be equal to the father.

      Apparently the custom was the first son in the human experience was considered equal to the father. I don't believe this in either case.

      There is a threesome in divinity in the OT. I hesitate to use a "trinity" because it means something bad to you. In Hebrew the symbol for God was Elohim. Which was the plural for a single God "El". And was in the singular form yachid. Used to describe a single: like only son.

      However, the word yachid (SINGLE) is never used in reference to God (Elohim)!

      The Jews also used the plural to mean male and female. It is suggested that it was used that way

      1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

      Of coarse the original word for God was Elohim. I believe in this case it represented the male/female aspects. And the "Let us" part represented,

      possibly the father/son aspect. Not that the son is equal, but is a co-creator.

      Just like the verses saying a man and woman with God form a single unity. No way am I saying all three parts are equal.

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      Jay C OBrien 

      2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      Author Sam, did you get my answers? Is the system working?

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      Jay C OBrien 

      2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      Q1. Why is there death?

      A1. We are spirit energy, call it a spiritual body or light body. This energy body is attached to the material to learn and grow in this plane of existence. Karma exists in this plane, but not others. "Death" occurs when the energy body detaches from the material body. The material body dies, the energy body does not. We, the energy body, continue to live at a different vibrational level.

      Q2. Why does God permit suffering?

      A2. As above, Karma exists in the material plane to teach us how to grow. Suffering is a result of our condemnation of others. Learn not to condemn and the negative emotions associated with it will not arise. These negative emotions within us is, "sin." If you do condemn, learn to forgive. This is what Jesus taught.

      We as energy bodies choose our material body for a purpose, to learn. Accept your surroundings and improve it, but do not condemn it. You choose it.

      Q3. Will evil last forever? If yes, why and if no, when will it end and by whom?

      A3. Objection, compound question. Motion to divide.

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      2 years ago from Nigeria

      Doug Cutler

      I wrote a long hub on it for the benefit of those who love reading it and for research purposes only.

      i do not condemn those who love reading mythology at all.

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      2 years ago from Nigeria

      Jay C OBrien

      thanks for your poem. Just this questions.

      Why is there death?

      Why does God permit suffering?

      Will evil last forever? If yes, why and if no, when will it end and by whom?

      Answer this questions point by point please

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      Jay C OBrien 

      2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      Author Sam

      If you want me to answer questions point by point please limit each point to one question and not several questions combined. Please supply citations if you reference material. Please keep it simple, a few points at a time.

      Remember, the Bible has passed through many hands and has undergone many changes.

      Here is a poem.

      The divine mind is at rest, peaceful

      Not so human beings

      The divine mind has no thought of violence

      Humans have anger

      The divine mind is not jealous or cruel

      Humans envy and hurt

      The divine mind does not condemn or punish

      Condemnation is human, not divine

      Know the divine will never condemn or punish you

      All negativity is a projection of self, not the divine

      Decide to become more like the divine

      No criticism, punishment or guilt, at peace

      To state otherwise is blasphemy.

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      Doug Cutler 

      2 years ago from Temperance. Mich

      What myth? I didn't mention anything about the flood. If you have nothing to do with mythology why did you write a long hub about it? Most of the major religions mention a flood.

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      Jay C OBrien 

      2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      Author Sam

      Study the megalithic structures in the Andes. The Inca say they did not build them. They are pre-Inca. This is not mythology, but architecture. We cannot duplicate the process today. How did the builders do it?

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      2 years ago from Nigeria

      Doug Cutler

      I have nothing to do with Mythology. Read my hub:

      "The Epic Of Gilgamesh And The Bible's Account Of Flood" to learn more..

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      2 years ago from Nigeria

      Jay C OBrien

      please go back and answer my questions point by point

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      Jay C OBrien 

      2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      Doug Cutler

      Here is another explanation for the OT. There was a hi-tech society before the flood, then a flood destroying most of society, thus leaving a few people with hi-tech equipment. The hi-tech people came in contact with the rest of the survivors (now low-tech). The low-tech people misidentified the hi-tech people as gods/angles. Citations can be found in Hub, "Atlanteans to the Mideast."

      Reincarnation is the only theory which provides an explanation for birth defects.

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      Jay C OBrien 

      2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      Author Sam

      Yes, indeed we all have our own points of view! Which one is better is now the question. My premise is God is good, always good. The Divine Mind is at peace, never angry or jealous or hateful. No story in any book, article or sermon should depict or describe God as doing evil, (killing children). I gave citations previously where Jesus said He and you should not judge/condemn. What is wrong with that?

      Matt 20-23 is a ranking system. In other words, all souls are not at the same level. Well, this is obvious. Please raise your understanding and renounce a violent, child-killing god. Please see the Book of Joshua. Read Hub, "The Book of Joshua from a Christian Perspective." Joshua did Not have the authority of God to kill women and children; Joshua only claimed to have it. Joshua lied! Explain Joshua's actions.

      "Was it not people who wrote what he suposedly said?"

      Well, that is part of the problem. People wrote their viewpoint of what they might have heard. We can only analyze what we have with no guarantees as to accuracy.

      John 3:16-21 God did not send Jesus to condemn the world, but to save it. ... those who do not believe are condemned already....

      Yes, this is the projection I am talking about. Everyone is condemned through their own mind, but this is Not of God, it is from themselves. God is not doing the judging, Man is projecting his condemnation and receiving it back. God is like a mirror. Now do you understand. The problem is with Man's mind, not the mind of God.

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      Doug Cutler 

      2 years ago from Temperance. Mich

      I believe in the OT a lot more than the NT. The scribes took extra care to make sure the letter count was correct and every character meant the some. There may be some errors when translated from Hebrew to other languages.

      The NT is a different scenario: It was said that when all the over 300 versions of the NT where picked over and presented to the Roman ruler Constantine he had then all put on a small table and those that fell off were discarded. Of course, most anything to do with reincarnation was already removed. Jesus believed in it. When he said. "And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come." Elisha was wisked off to heaven without seeing death. Who says that a spirit cannot have more then one body? Or he may have given up that body before incarnating into John. So when John was asked if was Elisha, he didn't realize that he was. Hebrews even states: Hebrews 11:5, "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him:" Does the phrase that says Enoch "should not see death" mean Enoch never died? Hebrews 11:13, "These all died in faith. Here is an example where I believe that the word "all" was used instead of a word that meant most. And Enoch does not have to go to heaven. He could go to one of those other "mansions" Jesus spoke of.

      In My Father's house are many mansions."--John 14:2.

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      2 years ago from Nigeria

      Jay C OBrien.

      I Have Some Question For You. First let me aknowledge that your reasoning is a result of your feelings and personal confiction.

      There is a way that is upright in the eyes of a man but which may weigh less when measured with the accurate scale of Truth.

      My question is:

      1. you do not believe in the OT because God judged in it right?

      why then did Jesus whom you claim to follow believed and quoted from it, even testifying to God's destruction of Sodom?

      Also, what will happen in the "judgement day" he mentioned? Mathew 20:23-4.

      2. You said not all parts of NT is from God and refering to what Paul said in 2 thesselonian, you said you do not believe what others said. thus you goes only with what Jesus said in NT right?

      Was it Jesus who wrote the parrable and other things himself? And was it written while Jesus was still on earth? Was it not people who wrote what he suposedly said?

      3. How will you then explain Jesus words bellow:

      John 3:16. "For God loved the world so much that he gave his only begotten son, that whomever have faith in him might not be DESTROYED".

      According to Jesus, what will happen to all those who refused to put faith in him?

      4. John 3:18, 19. "he who believed in him is not judged (condemned) he who does not believe in him had been judged alredy". Explain.

      Is true you have a right to your own opinion, but watch out so that your opinion do not constitute an insult against God.

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      Jay C OBrien 

      2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      Doug Cutler:

      1. Jesus did condemn the Sadducees and the Pharisees in the Gospels.

      A. Teaching a better system of thought requires one to point out the error of another system of thought. Teaching is not condemnation as much as an improved thought pattern. I am asking you to try another system of thought. Think of God as Good and all evil thoughts (condemnation, need to dominate and control, wrath, jealousy and anger) are from Men (not God).

      2. He was violent against the money changers and such in the temple.

      A. This action was Not designed to harm or kill someone. It was an ACT to accomplish his goal of getting the money changers to leave.

      3. Used a whip and turned over tables and drove them out.

      A. As above, it was an act which hurt no one. He did not hit anyone with the whip. Contrast this with the use of a sword. Jesus never took up a sword or lance to harm anyone and never advocated it. Indeed, He said, "Love your enemy." Compare to Joshua who committed Genocide.

      4. He will judge and punish at the end times.

      A. Jesus said, "You judge by the standards of Men, I judge No One." I suggest another thought pattern consistent with the life and teachings of Jesus: We will all be purified and healed of our evil thoughts (condemnation, need to dominate and control, wrath, jealousy and anger).

      5. God was violent several times in the Jewish scriptures. I have not checked the other main religions.

      A. Yes, indeed the Jewish God is very violent. I am not Jewish for that reason. My God is good, always good, consistent and Not schizophrenic. I renounce any story or book which depicts God as violent. Please, please, please raise your understanding of God to what Jesus taught.

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      Jay C OBrien 

      2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      Let us slow down and focus our attention. Let us look at what Jesus taught, OK?

      You judge by the standards of Men, I judge no one.

      Jesus did not condemn the adulterous.

      The father did not condemn the Prodigal Son. The father accepted the son while even afar off. Repentance was not part of the story.

      Jesus healed with forgiveness.

      On the cross, Jesus did not condemn but said, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do."

      So far we agree, right?

      To me, the "fire" in the "final judgment" is a purification or healing process. This is in keeping with the life and teachings of Jesus.

      Now the comment on 2 Thess 1:5-11:

      Jesus did not say this. I go by what Jesus said not someone else. That may be the difference between us, I just go by what Jesus said. We get a different result.

      The whole Bible is Not sacred. Why? I do not believe in a violent, schizophrenic god (OT). I have renounced condemnation and violence. They are projections of the person, not from God. I hope you understand "evil" is a projection of yourself and is Not from a Good God.

      To save time please read Hubs, "Motion to Divide the Bible" and "GOD DOES NOT CONDEMN, we judge ourselves in a mirror held by God" and The Book of Joshua from a Christian Perspective."

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      Doug Cutler 

      2 years ago from Temperance. Mich

      Jesus did condemn the Sadducees and the Pharisees in the Gospels.

      He was violent against the money changers and such in the temple.

      Used a whip and turned over tables and drove them out.

      He will judge and punish at the end times.

      God was violent several times in the Jewish scriptures. I have not checked the other main religions.

      All have sinned and fall short. Even those in the JW group. If all meant back then as it does today. Must be some sort of misinterpretation.

      I have seen "all" used several places, old and new, that if used the same as we use it today no one would be alive now or later.

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      2 years ago from Nigeria

      Jay C OBrien.

      We are Here now. That you cannot claim to be A Christian (refer to article above to learn who a true Christian is) if you believe that the Hebrew scriptures of the bible is not from God.

      How can you believe something contrary to what Christ believed and yet you proclaim to be his imitator? Did Christ not believed and quoted from the Hebrew scriptures? Did his apostles and disciples of first centuries, the writers of the Greek scripture not quoted and believed in the Hebrew scripture?

      You are the problem you have. The just punishment from God is in no way violence on his part. It will be unjust for God to allow evil people to remain.

      If you a human punish your children when they do wrong by giving them appropriate punishment, do you call 'violence' the appropriate punishment from God to the wicked?

      What punishment could be more appropriate from God except by taking away the gift of life he gave them? "the wages sin pays is death". Roman 6:23. and not eternal torment as the Churches teach.

      The story of the prodigal son thought that God is merciful and forgive repentant sinners not that he will tolerate evil and wicked people. Are you saying that Jesus will never in the future destroy the wicked? Then, it means you neither believe in Jesus' teachings nor in the Greek scriptures as well.

      What about this:

      "But you who suffer tribulation

      will be given relief along with

      us at the revelation of the Lord

      Jesus from heaven with his

      powerful angels 8 in a flaming

      fire, as he brings vengeance

      on those who do not know God

      and those who do not obey the

      good news about our Lord Jesus.

      9These very ones will

      undergo the judicial punishment

      of everlasting destruction from

      before the Lord and from the

      glory of his strength, 10 at the

      time when he comes to be glorified

      in connection with his

      holy ones and to be regarded in

      that day with wonder among all

      those who exercised faith, because

      the witness we gave meet with faith among you". 2 Thess 1:7-10?

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      Jay C OBrien 

      2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      Now we are getting somewhere. The Hebrew scriptures are Not from God. How do we know? All stories from any source which describe God being violent is blasphemy.

      Jesus was never violent, never condemned and never punished anyone. My God is like Jesus, who healed with forgiveness. Refer to the teachings of Jesus in the story of the prodigal son (Luke 15:11-32) and the Adulteress (John 8:4-11). In neither story did the father (or Jesus) condemn the person. He did Not judge.

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      2 years ago from Nigeria

      Jay C OBrien. Briefly this is what you need to understand.

      i do not subscribe to any so-called Rabbinic claim, I simply quoted what the bible says not Rabbinic unless you do not believe that the Hebrew scriptures is from God.

      God is good but in no way will he give exception for purnishment, and what purnishment? "the wages sin pays is death" and again, "it is RIGHTEOUS on God's part to repay tribulation to those who cause tribulation" says the bible (Roman 6:23. 1 Thess 1:6)

      it cannot be said God is violent but because he love what is right will he not allow evildoers to continue, it is a righteous thing on his part.

      Every one has right to his own opinion, yes. But not all our opinion is in harmony with the divine word of truth. We human cannot direct our steps, thus when our opinion is contrary to God's word, we will be making ourselves fighters against God....

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      Jay C OBrien 

      2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      Author Sam

      How can I explain briefly? Let us begin by agreeing that everyone has freewill and a right to their own opinion.

      Briefly, I renounce the Rabbinic claim of being a chosen people and a divine claim to kill for land. I am Christian, not Jewish, therefore I do not follow Rabbinic thought. Why? I do not believe God is a killer. I believe God is good and would not use violence against anyone. To claim God is violent is blasphemy. Do you understand?

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      2 years ago from Nigeria

      Doug Cutler, as I told you before, it seems you are the cause of the reason why you have no religion. Before you said 'you have a certain belif'. Now you said 'your belief are from many religion' that makes it very dangerous because "God is not a God of disorder" ().

      The bible warned why picking belief from different religions is dangerous. It says; ""in order that we should no longer be babes, tossed about as by waves

      and carried hither and thither by every wind of teaching by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in contriving error.” eph 4:14

      Let me ask. If your "certain belifs" were picked from 'differnent certain religion' which religious book do you view as 'inspired by God, thus the sources of all truth?

      And how are you sure some among your "certain" picked belifs is not just a mere " trickery of men", thus has errors just as the doctrine from the Niecene coucil?

      What of if you learn that their is a religion today that focuses in helping people do good instead of bad, will you consider it?

      You quoted the bible. "For then the dust will return to the earth, and the spirit will return to God who gave it." however, do you know that those who believe in the Niecene Creeds you re against also quote bible verse twisting it to match their teachings?

      When the bible uses the word "Spirit"-breeze, air, wind, breath, force (Grk. Ruach. Heb. Sykhe) is the bible talking about a 'shadowy' part of humans that will travel to go meet God?

      Then where was that spirit before God made Adam? Does it mean Adam has existed somewhere before God created him?

      Then since the spirit in humans is the same in animals, (Eccl 3:19-21) where does the spirits of thsoe animals you kill for meat goes to?

      The bible teaches that human as a whole is a 'living soul' not that a shadowy thing was infused into human and the spirit is the 'life activating force' (breath that ceaces at death). Gensis 2:7

      "the spirit (life or life force) returns to God". Since God Jehovah, is the giver of life-the creator, it means that for any who lost his life, to regain it back totally lies in the hand of God. It does not mean that the breath travelled to heaven.

      Human has no immortal spirit as satan lied to Eve that she will. Genesis 3:4, 5. Do you see, that your "certain belif" are wrong when examine with the Holy word of God, the bible?..

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      2 years ago from Nigeria

      jay C OBrien

      Did you just said:

      "Israel is not a Holy Nation to God?

      Wrong. Israel 'WAS' but not now anymore because of disobedience.

      The entire nation of Israel was counted holy because of God’s choosing and sanctifying of it, bringing the people exclusively into

      covenant relationship with him as a special property. Exd 19:5,6.

      "God never chose one nation over another"? That's wrong too. The bible says; "“It is you (Israel) Jehovah your God has chosen to become his people.”—DEUTERONOMY 7:6. To say that God never chose one nation (then) above another is to ignore biblical facts and is the same thing as saying that (today) God has no one true chosen people that represent him, that's also wrong (1 Pet 2:9,10)

      "The Lord did not fight for Israel. Nor did God kill Canaanites to establish Israel ?"

      OBrien that's wrong too. The bible says; “Completely destroy all the people: the

      Hittites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the

      Jebusites, as the LORD ordered you to

      do.”—DEUTERONOMY 20:17, TODAY’S ENGLISH VERSION.

      "Jesus thought God Is God". Yes! Because he is good, he cannot allow bad,

      Jehovah did not enjoy destroying the Canaanites. He himself says: “I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked.” ( Ezekiel 33:11, Darby) At the same time, he purposed for the nation of Israel to produce the

      Messiah, the one who would open the way to

      salvation for all those exercising faith. ( John 3:16) Thus, God simply could not allow Israel to become infected by the disgusting practices of

      the Canaanites. He therefore ordered the Canaanites to be cut off, or evicted, from the land. In so doing, God demonstrated

      outstanding love—love that moved him to

      perform an unpleasant task for the benefit

      of his faithful worshippers.

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      Doug Cutler 

      2 years ago from Temperance. Mich

      Author Sam:

      My beliefs are from many religions. There are flaws in all of them. Some religion is better than none in an effort to keep people doing good instead of bad things.

      You are confusing what you are with a body that you temporarily use like a pair of socks.

      "For then the dust will return to the earth, and the spirit will return to God who gave it." We are that part that returns to god. He then will give us a different body or dissolve the spirit into a cauldron to reuse. This was all common before the councils and rulers changed or left out things during the early centuries AD. The Roman emperors wanted to be the only gods and wanted humans to worship them. Even if they knew better they still wanted their subjects to believe that. The church was patterned after that with the emperor making sure his ideas are included. We are spirit first, body, soul, person etc all secondary.

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      Jay C OBrien 

      2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      Author Sam

      Thank you for your response. I offer a different point of view. Spirituality is not inherited. Israel is not a Holy Nation to God. God never chose one nation over another. The Lord did not fight for Israel. Nor did God kill Canaanites to establish Israel. There never was a covenant because killing was involved. The Rabbis make these false claims. We know they are false because God does not go around killing people, particularly women and children.

      Jesus taught God is Good. Jesus never killed anyone. Jesus healed with forgiveness. Jesus is the Prince of Peace, Not a war god. Jesus said, I condemn no one. These teachings are completely different and contrary to Rabbinic teaching. Now do you understand?

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      2 years ago from Nigeria

      Jay C OBrien. Jesus was a Jew by birth. Because the Jews are descendant of Abraham and a holy nation to God, any born into The nations automatically become a Jew. If I understand what you re saying, you mean Jesus did not follow the same patern of teaching of the Jews. To an extent, Yes.

      That was because the Jews left the scriptures and follow their so-called tradition. (Mark 7:7)

      Doug, you said you have no religion, and yet you have "certain belief" you subscribe to. Are those belief not from a certain religion? Thus, you have a religion. And the bible do not teach Karma or rebirth. Death is the opposite of life, when you are alife no part of you is somewhere dead. And when one is dead, the person ceases to exist axcept if he should be resurrected like Christ was.

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      Doug Cutler 

      2 years ago from Temperance. Mich

      Linage was important because certain tribes where blessed and others cursed. I believe what tribe/family you are born in has to do with karma. It also was a way to count population. What was inherited is certain birth rights.

      Jesus was only through a woman linage. Joseph was not Jesus's real father. That was some spiritual entity. It was extremely bad to have child out of wedlock then. Joseph was a father figure for. Joseph did father Jesus's younger brothers.

      Every human has spirituality. It is God given. Per the U.S. Constitution. Only God, and maybe a few other real high spiritual beings can take it away.

      Jesus taught how the Rabbis, and other leaders, should have been teaching. Similar too how early Christians taught before all the Nicene and Carthage conferences and Roman rulers wanting things changed to their thinking.

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      Jay C OBrien 

      2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      Spirituality is Not inherited. Linage and blood lines do not matter. You are what you believe, the teaching is what is important.

      Do you believe in, "Love your enemy" (Christian) or

      "Kill your enemy" (Jewish)?

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      2 years ago from Nigeria

      But there is no such thing as 'Jesus was not a Jew by his teaching'. Do a person tribe or ethnicity measured by teaching or by blood?

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      Jay C OBrien 

      2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      Summary

      2. The teachings of Jesus were so contrary to Judaism that the Rabbis plotted to kill Him based on the teachings alone. Therefore, Jesus was not Jewish by his teachings. No one knows the father of Jesus, therefore he could not be Jewish (by teaching or by birth).

      2. Jesus was a Jew through the linage of Mary. He also was trained as a child in some Jewish school.

      2. If you are using the linage of Mary, why does the Bible only give linage through the male line? Q, is spirituality inherited?

      2. It is because the male is the first. Eve was made from him. The male is the head of the family. Church. Some women were judges.

      Is spirituality inherited? What difference does linage make? Where in the Bible is linage traced by a series of mothers (rather than fathers)?

      Jesus taught a wholly different doctrine than the Rabbis did he not? Love your enemy vs. kill your enemy for land.

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      Doug Cutler 

      2 years ago from Temperance. Mich

      Jay C OBrien:

      1. We agree

      2. It is because the male is the first. Eve was made from him.

      The male is the head of the family. Church. Some women were judges.

      3. Because maybe sex is not that big of a sin. It is when he returns he judges. Revelations seems to be full of judgements.

      4. We agree

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      Jay C OBrien 

      2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      Doug Cutler

      1. Yes, this is true.

      2. If you are using the linage of Mary, why does the Bible only give linage through the male line? Q, is spirituality inherited?

      3. Jesus said, "You judge by the standards of men, I judge no one." John 8:15. That means NO ONE.

      Refer to the teachings of Jesus in the story of the prodigal son (Luke 15:11-32) and the Adulteress (John 8:4-11). In neither story did the father (or Jesus) condemn the person. He did Not judge.

      Did God judge during the flood? Yes, if you are Jewish. I am not Jewish, but Christian.

      4. We seem to agree.

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      Doug Cutler 

      2 years ago from Temperance. Mich

      1. Jesus said when asked what are the two greatest commandments "To love God" and the 2nd. "To love others like you would like to be loved"

      2. Jesus was a Jew through the linage of Mary. He also was trained as a child in some Jewish school.

      3. Did not God judge during the flood? What about that Sodom and Gomorrah thing? Please give verses backing up this statement. Jesus said "I did not come to judge". He left that up to God at that time. In Revelations: I solemnly charge you before God and Christ Jesus, who is going to judge the living and the dead. So he is judge in the final days.

      4. Yes: As long as the original writings are used and not the changed versions now taught. Ref. Nicene Councils and other Meetings

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      Jay C OBrien 

      2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      This article is very interesting despite the syntax errors (check your grammar). Here are my thoughts.

      1. The teachings of Jesus are to: love one another, love god, love your enemy, forgive, do not judge. There are no chosen people, but all humanity are one.

      2. The teachings of Jesus were so contrary to Judaism that the Rabbis plotted to kill Him based on the teachings alone. Therefore, Jesus was not Jewish by his teachings. No one knows the father of Jesus, therefore he could not be Jewish (by teaching or by birth).

      3. Jesus taught that God does not judge, condemn or punish. Instead God heals with forgiveness. It is the human mind that projects condemnation onto others, it is Not from God.

      4. Both the Bible and the Quran should be left behind in favor of the teachings of Jesus alone (Matthew, Mark and Luke).

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      Kevin Goodwin 

      2 years ago

      I don't think we are religious due to our geographical region where we were born but of a conscious thought process that we choose.

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      Doug Cutler 

      2 years ago from Temperance. Mich

      Author Sam: What religion do I have? I have certain beliefs but no established religion.

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      Samuel Ihegbu Yarborough 

      2 years ago from Nigeria

      @ Doug, Yes I am. I thought you said you have no religion? I know now that you have one. I now know that the problem is you and not because there is no true Christianity today. If you respect the bible, you will be lead by it to identify what it gives as the mark of true Christianity and not the believes you mentioned,

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      harshal 

      2 years ago

      Doug Cutler,

      You're correct ,I'm just like you,I believe in humanity only and Islam is a serious threat to it

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      Doug Cutler 

      2 years ago from Temperance. Mich

      I perceive you are a Jehovah's Witnesses. I left a comment on the part III of

      "Is there one true christian church today" The true Christians may have been the ones before the Nicene Councils. They believed in reincarnation and the individual saving himself with Jesus being the gate keeper. Show me that group and I will have a look see. If they are still active

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